Mormonism is a part of American history and culture. Indeed it was birthed in
America in upper-state New York and has since transplanted its American ideology
to many parts of the globe, including my country of New Zealand. There is bound
to be something funny about it, if not downright peculiar.Rob
... I can't help but agree with Alex. If anyone needs lightening up... I'm also
surprised with your language that the DesNews moderators let it pass. But hey,
it's your own choice to embarrass yourself! That's the First Amendment at work!
own medicine:Lighten up. Learn to laugh at yourself. Don't take
yourself so seriously. (How does it feel?)
Alex, that sounds exactly like what you are all doing. In your arm chairs,
calling the world wicked, calling everyone who doesn't think like you WRONG,
bashing the gay community, cutting people down b/c of what an old white bearded
man once said. You didn't really listen to the content of the email you were
quoting!The rest of the 6.4 billion people don't need to lighten up.
We aren't freaking out over what a tiny, inconsequential group says about us. It
is you who are freaking out about someone making jokes. I agree: YOU ARE NOT
BEING PERSECUTED SO LIGHTEN UP! I think anyone who knows one of the throngs of
accountant, business Mormons in this world would agree that pulling the sticks
out of your uptight, G-rated asses would make you and those you call wicked a
lot more pleasant.
Who is it that really needs to "lighten up"? Those that wince but let films
such as these roll off their shoulders, or those who will harass and sue for a
perceived slight? It is interesting that some in the "arm chair" that think we
Mormons ought to "lighten up" have a hard time taking it themselves.Look, this is no skin off my nose. I have never seen an episode of South Park
in my life and have no intention of doing so. I personally don't care and will
lose no sleep over it. However, as I have observed, many that think that humor
must ridicule and demean to be funny appear to me as insecure people trying to
reassure themselves. Somehow taking a dig at somebody from the middle of a
large group gives one a false sense of intellectual honesty and
self-congratulation. Unfortunately, every person from that sophisticated group
of the "undeceived" must eventually go home and ask themselves why they don't
feel any better.
This really isn't that big of a deal, and it certainly isn't anything new. I
think Trey and Matt are hilarious, but they make fun of anything and everything,
especially Mormons. I have however, heard them talk about the respect they have
for the Mormons they know, and the positive things they've slipped in about
Mormons on South Park make me think this play won't be completely negative.Either way, I wouldn't care to see it myself, but thats personal. I
taught a lot of Nigerians on my mission, and they have a saying in Nigeria that
stuck with me:"When you see children throwing rocks at a tree, you
know that tree must have good fruit."
I find it interesting that a missionary serving in the Salt Lake City North
mission, said since Pro 8 was passed in California, they have been invited in to
homes by curious people to hear the " Mormon side of things", I think this will
create the same kind of response. I do not mind being made fun of, unless it
gets into sacred things.
(cue the southpark music) dumb.. dumb.. dumb.. dumb.. dumb..I can
hardly wait to go see this musical. I'm hoping they'll include senator Buttars
in west jordan as part of the storyline.
"since we aren't allowed to demean blacks ANYMORE?" You make me
sick! Lighten up! You no more represent the spirit of Christ than the world you
are reviling. You all truly believe you are better, just because you were
baptised. Now its safe to spew bigotry towards other groups and be immune from
criticism yourself? Why are you wasting your time riviling those who are only
joking about you? Don't you have home teaching to do? Put down your banners and
arms, you are not being 'persecuted' or anything. There is alot to make fun of,
you have banners all over utah valley advertising movies making fun of
yourselves. I think if I showed one of your lame movies to one of my friends
they wouldn't think it was funny, but you do. Why waste your time being bitter
over someone else choices? tend to your own garden.Your responses to
small jokes when you have cover of anonymity gives away your true characters.
Grow up, what would your leaders think? I have nothing against the church, but
its self righteous members really give it a bad name.
Why are "Mormons" fair game? Every other group seems to be off limits.
It should be called "One flew over the cuckoos nest."
re: But Ryan... | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008 >>1) As Shakespeare put
it, many a truth is said in jest
We see this every year with Saturday's Voyeur. At some point there will be the
conflicted Gay missionary. You would think they could come up with something a
little more original.
There's nothing wrong with laughing - until you are the one they are mocking and
deriding and it is your precious beliefs that they are belittling.
You're probably referring to September Dawn, starring Jon Voigt but produced by
someone else--I forget who, don't want to give them credit/blame anyway. That
was the Mountain Meadows Massacre feature film. Critics thought it was a poor
effort.My guess is that this South Park musical play or whatever
will suffer a similar fate--except for the devoted SP fans, of course, who will
see it as the greatest and funniest drama ever written.
There really is a lot of silly things we hold dear. What is wrong with laughing?
We should not be paranoid at how some show in Broadway views our 'quirky'
beliefs. So many elements of doctrine are hard to fathom that we only can accept
them with faith; logic and reason will not solve belief. Those who worship logic
and reason get a kick out of what they cannot understand because they have no
belief. Great! Let them enjoy, and we should laugh with them. Does it shake your
belief? Heavens no.
Re: ". . . just normal people that are attracted to the same sex . . . ."Isn't that kinda like the definition of abnormal?
Wasn't there an anti-mormon movie put out recently by Jon Voigt? Some type of
western or something. Could the five people that saw that movie drop a post and
let us know if it was any good? I am guessing the same five people will really
enjoy the South Park play on broadway.
The show could be funny if it were Mormons making fun of themselves.
Unfortunely, this is just another Nazi-like prejudice smear campaign redirected
at another group of innocent people who are too small in number to adequately
defend themselves.Apparently, since we aren't allowed to demean,
belittle and talk condescendingly down to black people, women, and gays anymore,
you all have had to settle for maligning a well-meaning religious group, a
group, I might add, that would be among the first ones there to help you if
disaster struck your community. Hope you enjoy your round of
persecution and malice. I'm sure the Ku Klux Klan will move aside for you.
"...though the haughty may smile and the wicked revile, yet we love thy glad
tidings to hear...."
Any public demonstrations, Broadway shows, public humiliation against mormons
doesn't matter. The growth of the Church inside the USA very small compared to
the work done outside the USA. We need to realize that the perception of the
Church inside the USA isn't all that important because everyone already makes
fun and discriminates(ask Mitt about his campaign success in the bible belt).
The church is being more prosperous amoung humble countries like mexico,
nicaragua, philipines islands, and especially Africa. The USA is too prideful
and already thinks Mormons live in dirt road compounds with 27 wifes and
homemade dresses. Just ignore these people because its only gonna get worse as
the world ripens for the 2nd coming. I'm personally torn about Prop 8, but
nothing makes me prouder than having a Church take a strong stand against things
they oppose. Let politicians play both parties and be centristic. Let Churches
take the unpopular and not politically correct stands, but right ones.
Mormons, Will you please step down from your soap boxes and get with reality.
This little Broadway musical will not hurt or destroy you in any way. Instead of
feeling sorry for yourselves, why dont you feel sorry for the poor and homeless?
Why dont you use the same financial power that was used during Prop 8 to help
the homeless families in Utah? You are representing The Lords Church not your
own. Grow up! You are selfish. We should be trying to help others get closer to
God. We must be more open towards people of different faiths, lifestyles, and
moral values as long as we can keep our own. If you believe it is the true
church, whats the worry? We Mormons should not be fighting for the truth of our
Are the creators of South Park doing this to make more money?No.It isn't rocket science to perceive their motivation.They've
made a lot of money on their irreverence to date, and now, given the hot topic
of "Mormonism and Prop 8", they're using that money to make a social statement
by bashing Mormons. It's the PC thing to do now, especially in circles like
Hollywood, and it's a current example of "acting with primal rage".The hypocrisy is staggering (but okay if you're "in the right").Who can't see that? Answer: People who don't WANT to see that.
Shoe on the other foot? Are you kidding? Gays have been made fun of ini just
about every movie ever made. They are portrayed as swishy sissies that lisp
when they talk and as wimpy as a person can be. It is so pervasive that most
people are shocked to find out gays are just normal people that are attracted to
the same sex. I am sure most of the people that are worried someone is going to
laugh at the Church have laughed plenty at these sterotypes. The shoe is truly
on the other foot.
I don't think it will be a South Park version of Sons of Provo The "gay" crowd is reaaaally mad at Mormons, I do not expect it to be very
funny. I think at very least Mormons should 'boycot' their musical.While it is true: Every time you kick "Mormonism" you kick it upstairs;
you never kick itdownstairs. The Lord Almighty so orders it." -
Brigham YoungLet's not be tooooo wimpy. I mean actively defending
the faith we should.
No. This is gross. If the tables were turned and this were a musical to make
fun of and criticize gays your reaction and the reaction of millions of other
americans would be terribly different. But it's okay with everyone to bash
Sounds like a waste of time.
I though that the Southpark episode about the Mormons was very entertaining.
Lighten up folks! This will be fun and entertaining. If you can't polk fun at
yourselves, you really need to get a hobby.Our religion is filled to
the brim with quirky, unique and fun things. We have a unique culture and we
should embrace it.
... two things about your comment at 9:44:1) As Shakespeare put it,
many a truth is said in jest, and 2) Just because ONE person thinks
something is funny doesn't obligate anyone else to laugh at it.Comedy usually dances on the line between what is and isn't socially
acceptable. But sometimes the comedian hits a nerve too deep--a taboo--and can't
back out. (Michael Richards losing control, remember?) Sometimes the truth
hurts, too, even if said in jest.So you might think the South Park
Mormon send-up is hilarious. That'd be your taste. But I get the idea that you
wouldn't want someone else's tastes imposed on you. So you probably shouldn't be
telling offended people that they have to laugh at what you see as funny,
either. That only invites trouble.Understand why YOU think
something's funny--and also understand why someone else might be offended rather
than amused. (And no, the "uptight" label's a far-too-dismissive shortcut around
REAL sensitivity.) Just my two cents.
Who cares anyway? The righteous will only become more righteous and the wicked
even more wicked. It's just all part of the plan. So just enjoy spending your
time and money on your family and skip the show!
More brain-washing for the lemmings ... priceless."Ridicule the
Mormons" moves quickly to "Hate the Mormons" and soon becomes "Banish the
Mormons" and eventually morphs into "Exterminate the Mormon vermin".Yes, we've seen it all before. Funny how history repeats itself. Our society
sure doesn't seem to be making much "progress".
Stone and Parker are going to nail this. The problem is, how many people
visiting New York want to pay money to see a play that skewers a religion most
don't care about when there are so many better things to do.I mean,
how bad has their movie Orgazmo really hurt the church.How many
people have even heard of Orgazmo.
"Once again, bigotry, hatred and intolerance are acceptable IF it comes from the
GLBT community. "You need to get over this idea that being made fun
of is bigotry, hatred, or intolerance. It's joking around. Thats all, and in
the case of South Park it happens to be funny. It's not like this play is
calling on everyone to refuse service to mormons or to kill them or whatever.
It's a joke people! Lighten up.
re: Eugene | 1:13 a.m. Nov. 20, 2008 Coming from someone who is
afraid to go to RES & of Utah fans is very interesting.Ute fans are
just expressing their 1st amendment rights... aren't they?Seriously,
there is not enough good satire these days. We need more people like Lewis
Black, Carlos Mencia, Denis Leary, Colbert, Parker & Stone, Seth MacFarlane, &
the brains behind the WWE, Monty Python and the Simpsons.
It seems many here missed the priesthood lesson on sarcasm.
Bryan--you're on topic with South Park, right? Just making sure.Actors, writers, producers, and so forth tend to be creative people who make
their own rules, yes. And a number of them (please don't stereotype by trashing
them ALL) fit the traditional definition of "immoral," granted. Others don't--I
guarantee it. But on the whole, I don't know that I'd want to live in a world
that had no art, literature, drama, creativity, independent thinking, or
all-around free agency. Would you?In the world we currently live in,
the "South Parks" and "Jerry Springers" of our creative culture are the cost of
enjoying "Les Miserables" and "Phantom of the Opera." Until society and human
nature change for the better, the bitter comes with the sweet. Interestingly,
though, the best and most meaningful of the sweet sticks around to be enjoyed by
future generations. People rarely develop a lasting taste for the bitter.This too shall pass.
We've all known for a long time that broadway is filled with immoral, debase
people. Its been a long drop from Andrew Lloyd Weber in this homosexual filled,
anti-religious, intolerant group of elitists called Broadway. The anthisis of
the majority of moral, decent, honest hardworking Americans. This
vulgar, course premise disgusts the finer nature of all decent people - all
mothers and fathers who want strong families and strong society. Boycott this folks. Don't pay a dime and this folds faster than a flimsy
Anti-prop 8 argument.
Re: "You can try to "rejoice" but it's not going to make you feel better about
the bigoted decisions you make."I hope I always stay bigoted against
Rise above it and ignore it. Why waste your time and energy on trash!All that bullies and persecutors want in life is a rise out of those they try
to down-trod so if you take my advice above, the bullies and persecutors lose
interest if there is no response.My first amenment right to free
speech is to reserve mine for something important and worthy of speech, not
waste it on garbage.
A live play is not the same as a joke of a cartoon that few take seriously!
Distorting and making fun of others religious beliefs for money is really funny
huh? Bigotry is no better than racism! If this bad Karma does not come back on
them in this life, I guarantee they will be regretting their slander and bigotry
on judgement day in the next life! What goes around comes around!
Once again, bigotry, hatred and intolerance are acceptable IF it comes from the
GLBT community. As offending and misleading as it will be GOD will use it to his
advantage to tweak people's interest and many will eventually contact a
missionary to find out more about what the church REALLY believes. I agree with
the poster who wondered what would happen if we made a Broadway play mocking the
GLBT community? I am sure there would be more picketing, crying and moaning of
homophobia and bigotry, and voices crying out for everyone to boycott the show
as a sign of their solidarity against the hate machine that produced it. It
doesn't bother me though because I won't be watching it, and I know that in the
end we will have more people joining the church because of it!!The
good work of the LORD will trump all evil!
Lighten up people, anyone who has seen southpark knows that they don't pick out
one group and "bash them" they make fun of everyone and everything. they make
fun of gays, jews, christians, mormons, black people, white people, politicians,
countries, animals... the list goes on.
First of all south park is a highly successful show. Look what season they are
on and wont stop any time soon. These two make fun of everyone. If
you watched any episodes you would know they mock jews. They also mock
atheists, gays, catholics and everyone else frequently. South
park actually uses some of the most cutting edge animation technology. That is
why they can have shows about current issues. Unlike say simpsons that is a
year behind current issues. trey and matt generally have nice
things to say about mormons. They make fun of them a bit but they more make fun
of people who are afraid of you mormons and I am guessing that will be the
premise of their new musical.Watching half an episode or part of a
movie does not mean you understand it. I used to hate south park until I
watched a couple seasons and got what they were going for and loved it since.
It is a pretty intellectual show if you want it to be. Studies have shown that
the average comedy central viewer has more education and is generally smarter
than people who watch fox news channel.
This will bomb -- just like all their other dumb stuff. Best thing to do? Not
print another word about it. Oh wait -- that's what I'm doing. Oops.
I wish Matt and Trey the best of luck with this play, although I don't think it
will do very well. I just don't think people care enough about Mormons to spend
money on it. But maybe I'm wrong.
i will go see this before it closes. stone and parker are genius. i even liked
cannibal the musical. and when they're done with LDS, i'd like to see them move
on to judaism and catholicism. deconstructing religion is a beautiful thing.
The people who say imply that Matt and Trey have double standards and wouldn't
focus on X, Y, or Z minority have obviously never watched a South Park episode.
They make fun of EVERYBODY. Seriously....nobody is safe.
I probably wouldn't get too involved with this. I am LDS, and was a big South
Park watcher in High School. I've seen that Mormon episode, and
though it lampoons our doctrine and beliefs, it did come around to actually
saying something good about LDS members in general--they're good people. It
just didn't support what the "Mormons" believe.Apparently, Parker
and Stone have a friend, Kyle McCollough (SP?) who is LDS. Wether he's active
or not is another matter, but he's worked on South Park episodes before. He
didn't leave after the Mormon episode (as far as I know), unlike Issac Hayes
(who voiced Chef), who left after the Scientology episode.I think
that this will be more parody (though crude) than ridicule, personally, though
working with the people from Av. Q, and Mark Shaiman (who got rid of Scott
Eckern because of Prop. 8) is a little unnerving.I agree that Parker
and Stone will take the opportunity to make fun of anyone, and we will just be
in line for hit #2. South Park has made fun of the Catholic Church numerous
times, probably standing at about 5-6. Things may work out for LDS long-term.
Sad that our nation has fallen so deep into filth.Every time God's people
turn their backs on Christ, that nation soon falls!! Read the scriptures....Doesn't matter what faith you are...it is not right.
This is just another crude attempt to undermine our church. We ought to ignore
it and boycott it.
Like another reader wrote....ignore it. Just like the church and members should
have done with gay marriage and Proposition 8.
I have never been a fan of South Park. The language is awful & unacceptable. But
it will help the LDS church because it will perk interest & people will want to
know more about it - missionary work in disguise!
The best thing the Church could do would be just to ignore it. They are only
doing this to get a reaction of some kind from the Church. Condemning the
production would only increase attendance.
Yes Jessica, a principle of the gospel (plural marriage is something to be
laughed at. The way our Heavenly Father lives (plural marriage) is something to
be laughed at.Face it, some things should NOT be laughed at IF you
are a believing Mormon.
"The Standard of Truth has been erected; NO unhallowed hand can stop the work
from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble,
calumny may defame, but the truth of God WILL go forth boldly, nobly, and
independent, till it has penetrated EVERY continent, visited EVERY clime, swept
EVERY country, and sounded in EVERY ear, till the purposes of God SHALL be
accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say THE WORK IS DONE. (Joseph Smith -
History of the Church 4:540)
Maybe broadway could produce the roadshow my ward did this year. It has really
funny mormon humor in it, too.
The caravan will just keep moving on!...
How do any of you LDS-folk know anything about South Park in the first place?
Aren't your priesthood leaders instructing you not to watch this type of
show?If this is so, how can you even begin to comment on them and
the nature of their humor and show?
Carmen: time to go hometeaching.Kyle: what are you doing here I'm
JewishEric: darn you carmenKyle: you can teach me anywayCarmen: Kyle we can't teach you. YouDon't believe in Jesus.Eric:
that's the point. Let's make him aBeliever.Carmen: ok Kyle we need I
mean we have. To comeTeach you once a month.Kyle: will that make me
believe in Jesus.Carmen: only partly. Stop smoking and drinkingAnd
you'll believe more. And read ...
Have these guys done anything of value? Didn't think so. What a waste!
except when you realize how dumb it is for the creators of South Park to point
fingers at anyone besides themselves, with how poor their creations are. The joke is on you if you pay for such trash. South Park has no
entertainment value to speak of, whatsoever. That's why I don't waste my time
with it. No matter who they are making fun of, it is how they are doing it
(offensive language, crude material, lame storylines, and kindergarten
cartoonery). Their credibility is shot. I keep hearing that the material is
offensive to everyone, so tell me how that can be appealing to anyone? Makes no
sense. BTW-false slander really isn't offensive, it just shows poorly on the
producers of such tripe. When trash doesn't even know that it is
trash, how can it trash on anyone else? That is what's funny? They don't even
know how stupid they look and sound through their creations.Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
The dogs will bark, but the caravan moves on.....
i hope the church gets what it reeps. they should not but into other peoples
life's. god loves all of us. have they heard the song jesus loves us this we
Just do not go see it. I do not watch South Park. I do watch Family Guy and
David Chappell. Because both are very real, in a lot of respects. I do not watch
South Park nither do my kids and neither should you.
There have been at least three major shows on Broadway that have been critical
of Mormons, and all three were hits: The Girl From Utah (music by Jerome Kern),
Paint Your Wagon, and Angels in America. There is a very good chance that this
one will be a big hit, too.There are a few troubling things about
this show, however. First, permission to ridicule a culture ought
to be reserved for people inside the culture or people directly affected by it.
In this case, neither applies.Second, the South Park people are much
kinder to the LDS church in their show than they are in interviews. They grew
up around Mormons in Colorado, and hated it.Third, Trey Parker wrote
"Blame Canada" with Marc Shaiman, the composer of Hairspray who was instrumental
in the ousting of Scott Eckern (the LDS artistic director forced to resign from
the California Musical Theater). Shaiman believes that no money of his should
benefit anyone at all who supported Prop 8. Fourth, staff from
Avenue Q, who hate Mormons (especially because of Prop. 8), are co-producing.This will not be your run-of-the-mill satire of Mormons. This show is
out for blood, sugar-coated or not.
the Lord told us to rejoice and be exceedingly glad when we are persecuted.
Sometimes it's really tough, but we must remember the reason.1. "for
great is your reward in heaven".2. persecution only makes more
converts.I read the inevitable apostasy- it painted an awful scene
of blood and horror of what the early Christians went through. Despite these
persecutions and murders esp. during the reign of Nero- Christianity rapidly
spread. "Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this
counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye
cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."
I've never watched South Park and never intend to, because it has the same major
flaw that most modern "comedy" has: They always stoop to crudity and poor taste
to get cheap laughs. There seems to be a contest going to see who can stoop
lower than before in examples of crudity and offensive behavior, and these guys
are active & willing participants in that ongoing contest, in order to "shock"
and "titillate" their audiences. Anything produced by the South Park creators is
going to have the same flaws. I find these things offensive rather than funny.
Give me the days of the old comedies, which relied more on wit, puns, word-play,
clean satire, etc. for a good laugh. "Sophisticated" is code-word for sick,
twisted, and perverted.
Oh you poor poor POOR persecuted Mormons. When will the the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir put out a cd of the greatest whinings of the saints. Get a life. Look at
your history...just who are the persecutors!! Stop the whining and incessant
Jon B. Holbrook: What exactly is the stereotypes that a liberal has of the LDS
Church?What does a person's political philosophy have to do with their
views of the LDS Church?That South Park episode was a more accurate
description of events than what we learn in official lessons and publications.
Am so excited, a cause worthy to believe in. Gonna keep my 10% to myself, and
get myself a ticket to opening night.
The fact that it's a story about yet another LDS missionary that is probably
going to end up in yet another non-LDS Missionary situation, makes it sound like
it's going to be old hat for them.The Church has had a lot of press
lately, and this seems to happen in cycles (Priesthood Ban, ERA, Mark Hoffman).
Every ten years or so, the Church receives a lot of coverage, which sets off a
pro and anti polarizing mood. In the end, it challenges members' beliefs, and
makes our beliefs available to non-members, meaning it's going to be like the
Five Family War in the Godfather, in that it gets rid of a lot of bad blood and
brings in some good.To me, it appears that Mat and Trey are simply
riding the coattails of the media coverage of the LDS Church's positions on gay
marriage, the political campaign of Mitt Romney, September Dawn (wretch), and so
and so forth.They do appear to have a soft spot for us Mormons, but
that won't stop them from ripping us up one side and down the other. And
considering what numerous other issues are happening, I don't think it will
I have been a fan of "South Park" in the past. I know that Trey Parker and Matt
Stone have lampooned Mormons, Catholics, Evangelical Protestants, and Jews. If
the "Mormon Musical" is a parody in good taste, then I won't complain.The
creators of "South Park" did an episode about five years ago called, "All About
Mormons". It was a rehash of all the negative sterotypes that liberals and some
evangelical christians have about Latter-day Saints. I was very disappointed,
since Matt Stone and Trey Parker are from Colorado which has a large LDS
Community. I hope that their bigotry doesn't come through in the new production,
but I am not holding my breath.Thank-You
"The creators are actually quite intelligent, and they're also equal opportunity
offenders. But when they're at their best, they're actually quite funny. And
I've always considered their Mormon-themed episodes to actually display
something of an affection for the religion. Not that they're secret Mormons or
anything - certainly not - but I think it'd be wrong to suggest that they hate
Mormons or anything like that."This is a true statement. I watched
an interview with them once and they chatted about how much they admired and
respected all of their mormon high school friends in Colorado, where they grew
re: Todd | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 19, 2008 >>I would rather nobody make fun
of a religion.
Let's all take it down a couple of notches. I would take Parker and Stone's even
handedness scorn/attacks than the biased nonsense that comes from opposing views
(e.g. Fox News vs. MSNBC) any day of the week. These guys are funny. Crude, but
funny. If any honest mormon saw the "mormon" episode, you could only laugh
(myself included). They were factual in almost all aspects (you can't make this
stuff up!). Quite frankly, I am amazed that we (mormons) actually get as much
mind share and attention as we do. Surely, there has got to be something more
interesting than mormons. Maybe not. Maybe we are the new "it".
"Are there any doubts a musical making fun of gays, blacks, or Jews wouldn't
cause wide-spread protests?"Well, "The Producers" was actually quite
popular. It made fun of Jews and gays. In fact, Jew and gay jokes are among
the most popular in Broadway shows. You may say, "well, that's
different, because everyone knows they're not being serious." But the fact is,
the "South Park" episodes about Mormonism aren't particularly serious either -
in fact, nothing about the show is particularly serious. The
creators are actually quite intelligent, and they're also equal opportunity
offenders. But when they're at their best, they're actually quite funny. And
I've always considered their Mormon-themed episodes to actually display
something of an affection for the religion. Not that they're secret Mormons or
anything - certainly not - but I think it'd be wrong to suggest that they hate
Mormons or anything like that. "I mean, do they think that South
Park fans actually watch musicals?"Stephen Sondheim, the greatest
living Broadway lyricist and composer, called "South Park the Movie" - a musical
- the best musical he'd seen in years.
" Have you noticed, these two loons have NEVER done a hit piece or "comical" out
take on Mohommed and/or Muslims?We all know the reason why too."And
who are you to say what they have "never done"? Because it's quite clear that
you don't actually watch the show, and that you're just assuming. (And you know
what they say about people who assume...) Mind you, I don't blame you for not
watching the show - but a brief Google search would be enough to tell you that
they have indeed made fun of Islam. Including a rather humorous mockery of the
whole Mohammad cartoon incident. Certainly they don't spend nearly
as much time mocking it as they do Mormons and other Christians, and gays, and
various other groups - but that's because Islam is much less prevalent in the
countries where the show is likely to be popular. And, for the
record, this whole "these cowards wouldn't make fun of Islam" thing needs to
die. Because it's generally not true. And yes, "Religulous" and PZ Myers do
make fun of Islam (and Judaism.) They just dedicate less time to it.
personally, I am just tired of it all. Why bother trying anymore to defend
something that just keeps getting torn down.I just don't see the point
anymore. Nothing is happy, people are dying everyday from who knows what, and
yet all people want to do is bash Mormons. I don't know what to say to you
people except I hope that when we all meet again one day we will be ashamed of
all we have done. Give me a garden and a bag of seeds and let me grow something
that will be beneficial to me because all of this is just tearing us down. Round and Round it goes and will never stop till the Brass ring is gotten and
there is no more music to hear, peace, be here with us but hate continues to
grow between us. The signs are here and the times have come. Be ready
Please just make it better then the musical scenes in Team America. Personally
they'd be better off producing it here in UT. LDS satire is best left presented
to those who understand it and there are not a lot who would on a Broadway scale
So why would we expect anything else from them?
I hate South Park. Always have. I know some people think it's funny, but to
me it is just stupid and a big waste of time. There are some great shows out
there that can get a lot of laughs without making fun of people and their
beliefs. What kind of people are we becoming if we sink to the level of
accepting the disgusting content of shows like South Park as entertainment. It
kind of reminds me of dogs rolling in dead animals and then running around
spreading the stink. Once you watch this stuff it stays with you and has an
affect on you. The Mormons have worked hard, along with other religions, and
other caring people to pass proposition 8. Now they bear the brunt of the
backlash. South Park is just piling on and on and on.
Seattle Guy- You are too funny, South Park The Movie just so happened to be a
musical and is honored by many in the industry as a brilliant musical- although
very crass. Many South Park episodes are musicals too. Very interesting that you
make the claim that South Park fans wouldn't even enjoy a musical, since a good
portion of the show's writing has been through music- including the famous
Mormon episode. Anyway, I am LDS, I love South Park, and I love
musicals. Including the traditional ones. I just love good writing. I have
claimed for years, and will continue to do so. South Park may just be the most
brilliant comedic writing on television right now. Comedy, by it's very nature
is disobedient- that's why it's funny. South Park intends to offend everybody,
and if you get offended- (remember Bednar's talk a few years ago) then the
joke's on you.
Right--we shouldn't mock other religions. I am active LDS and am likewise
bothered by this tendency among us. It doesn't speak well of us, people. "Do
unto others," right?
"The "don't go see it" argument is also bogus. Even if you avoid it, your
neighbors and many others around you probably won't. The word still gets out,
and it still affects other people around us.""Word gets out..." OF
WHAT? That someone is making a comedic musical about your religion? The same
thing that has been done to other religions? How does this matter if your
neighbors hear about it? Or if they per chance even saw it at some point?EVERYBODY, including myself, know that the creators of South Park are
jokesters - they make fun of EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.
"Have you noticed, these two loons have NEVER done a hit piece or "comical" out
take on Mohommed and/or Muslims?We all know the reason why too."Yes,
they have, on DOZENS of occasions. Unfortunately you are just plain wrong.SEE: the last 12 seasons of South park.
"Based upon it earlier TV episode SouthPark has considerable difficulty making
the obvious distinction between satire and ridicule. The former can be funny,
but the latter is at best obnoxious and unfair."Newsflash: LIFE
isn't fair.Here's my major complaint: everyone here at my work, who
are all "active" LDS, are all taking offense in the same ways as those of you
who have commented are.These same people, and many of you I have no
doubt based on your tone and comments, don't bat an eyelash while scoffing,
deriding, and making condescending comments and jokes towards Scientologists and
other religions.I just think its unbelievably hypocritical that you
make fun of and chuckle at all these other religions, but then when someone
pokes fun at your own you get all up in arms.You can't have it both
Have you noticed, these two loons have NEVER done a hit piece or "comical" out
take on Mohommed and/or Muslims?We all know the reason why too.
Based upon it earlier TV episode SouthPark has considerable difficulty making
the obvious distinction between satire and ridicule. The former can be funny,
but the latter is at best obnoxious and unfair.I suspect this
"musical" will be just more of the same. Dum, dum, dum, dum, dumb. . . .
... I'm not so sure. Though I agree our ancestors would appreciate not being
burned out of their homes, I don't think they'd see much difference in being
mocked in Missouri or on modern TV. It's actually LESS shocking these days to
mock something sacred in the media. I think they'd be appalled at that. You can
disagree if you want.The "don't go see it" argument is also bogus.
Even if you avoid it, your neighbors and many others around you probably won't.
The word still gets out, and it still affects other people around us. While many
people know that South Park is hardly the place to turn for credible
information, others take it seriously. I cringe to think of how many will watch
this and think they actually will know something about the LDS Church.Just what I think!
THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME! I can't wait to see it. :)And
honestly, can you guys quit with the persecution-complex thing already? You're
not being persecuted. You're ancestors, and mine for that matter, who were
tarred and feathered and killed would shake their heads in shame at those of you
who are so offended by this.No one is forcing you to go see it. If
it offends you, don't go see it. End of story.
Irreverence for sacred things, particularly for what is sacred to others,
is a fact of life. We don't have to pretend to enjoy it, so criticism is legal,
even righteous.Outsiders see things much differently than do
insiders, because they look at the Church through different lenses, and make
comparison between what they perceive as Mormonism and what they consider
Orthodox, hence acceptable.Whilst it is never right to mock sacred
things or to poke fun at the sincerely held beliefs or philosophies of others,
we must remember that whilst our discomfort might be well placed, the one who is
most offend by such mockery is God Himself.God announced the price
of mocking God in Galatians 6:7, so that is taken care of.What then,
is an appropriate response? It is that the Saints of God maintain their faith
and faithfulness, by: "Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for
railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that
ye should inherit a blessing"
Everyone has some great points here. Parker and Stone have made money on
breaking the status quo. I can not see how this show would be popular on
Broadway. It makes the insults more cutting because its not 4th graders speaking
but real people. They are just trying to cross that line one more time. Its not
fair to pick on LDS but it does bring awareness and a good chance of Members to
get on local tv stations stating the truth.
For all those who say they never watch this trash, you probably only watch KBYU
so stop trying to weigh in as a subject matter expert. And will you
all please stop with the victim complex... it is really getting annoying. This has nothing to do with the "Gays" this show if it already has been
casted, has been in pre-production for well over a year. And really?
what is with quoting the apostle John... Is this a good deed to try to save the
readers of the comment board?
Only make fun of mormons, THEY MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE, Blacks, Jews,
Scientologists, Catholics, Celebrities. And the mormon episode was factual. They
highlighted points that they tend to gloss over in church. But they were
accurate to LDS doctrine. They only exposed what you believe.
... until these jokers, who've been doing the irreverent
Jesus-and-Satan-in-the-boxing-ring gambit for years, took on Mormon
missionaries. (Already tackled LDS Church.) The show's well-known as
anti-organized-religion in general. There's no sacred cow South Park hasn't
tried to slaughter. Mormons are only the latest in a long, long line, and
there'll be others after us. Count on it.
Can't wait to see this. It will be hilarious. Matt and Trey certainly have
some insight into our culture. Never be afraid to laugh at our own culture.
There is much fun to be had. Ever heard of green jello, wedding receptions in
cultural halls, 3 Nephites, Church basketball, sea-gulls barfing crickets,
polygamy, gilgal gardens, the Deseret Alphabet, the Osmonds, etc. etc. etc.Lighten up people.
I bet these guys are closet Mormons. Come out of the closet you two!!! Come out
and admit you're Mormons!!! Matt, come out and admit you believe it all!!! You
two need to come out of the closet and stop acting like a bunch of hate
mongering, low-life scum bags! Trey will forgive you, if you will just come out
of the closet. We don't buy into your obscene, obscure, and obtuse rantings
about Mormons any more than you do. Matt and Trey, COME OUT OF THE CLOSET and
admit you LOVE US!
I think that you are hoping for something that isn't going to happen. I do not
see the Church reacting as some of the gay comunities have.I think
that it is really sad how Hollywood has taken to persecuting the Mormon's -
reminds me of the "great and spacious building"As I said "I think
this is sad that people would lower themselves to this degree - BUT
I AM NOT SCARED !!!
Team America World police was horrid. I personally did not care for
Baseketball.Parker & Stone are up there w/ Seth MacFarlane (Family
Guy) and the creators of the Simpsons in terms of really great satire.
I have seen South Park and I don't think it is the "best show on TV." Hey,
Stone and Parker, enjoy making fun of another religion. I will practice my
right to not spend the money to see their show. I would rather nobody make fun
of a religion.
Ah, yes, Halestorm Productions. Agreed 120%. I fully doubt South Park will do
any damage to Mormonism above and beyond what we've already done to ourselves by
actually watching The RM, The Home Teachers, Singles Ward, Church Ball, etc.,
etc. It's only encouraged other people to try to make more of that tripe. Can anyone persuade Kurt Hale to try making an insightful, intelligent
movie about Mormons for once in his life? We'd do ourselves a HUGE favor.
Satire has its place, I suppose, but I will never understand why acerbic,
biting, intentionally offensive material is considered humorous. Apparently it
is OK to say whatever you want in the name of getting a laugh, as long as there
is some trite little message at the end to tidy up the mess. A spoon full of
sugar makes the medicine go down, huh? Thanks, but I'd rather have the medicine
without sugar that has been reconstituted from raw sewage.It has
been noted by others that just because you can do something doesn't mean you
should. Spencer Kimball counseled that just because something is true doesn't
mean it is appropriate. I'm afraid that in this case, ability, opportunity,
truth and appropriateness are all likely to take a severe beating in the name of
"comedy" and profit, while any proffered light at the end will be tenuous and
insubstantial at best."Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders
do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
There is a difference between being un-politically correct and being costic,
prejudice and cruel. South Park is clearly the latter, with foul and abusive
language weaved throughouot. Many people justify, or at the least, dismiss
South Park's prejudice as tolerable since they degrade every race and religion.
Equal dissemination of prejudice does not mitigate the prejudice itself.
Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are very much part of our
constitution. The only advice I give is to have fun but not to mock God...the
Mormon church went thru hard and worse times in history. What is going on now
are just small potatoes...and they will go away.
Since when is religion a contest? Maybe you should get Bob Barker to
host because the Price is Wrong! You can try to "rejoice" but it's
not going to make you feel better about the bigoted decisions you make.
South Park is trash. I have never liked the show. I don't see how they think
that this will get them better ratings or more viewers.
I wonder how the gay community would feel if someone did a show lampooning
things that were important and sensitive to them and did it with offensive
language. No...I know what their reaction would be. Why then is it OK to do it
Stone and Parker do like to make fun of the LDS church, but we LDS have to
remember, that we like to make fun of ourselves too. There is a whole movie
industry in Utah wholly devoted to making fun of Mormons by Mormons. True the
works of Stone and Parker are way more crude, but how can we praise one and
curse the other? It's two sides of the same stick, right?
Sounds like another attempt to channel the old movie, "Trapped by the Mormons".
The usual drivel and tripe. Who cares?
The church will always be under this kind of attack because the church doesn't
care. Have fun and watch the play die on Broadway.
Think Matt and Trey are "hacks"? They've won several awards for South Park.
They aren't afraid to show Atheist, Liberal Hollywood Actors, Jews, Catholics,
Muslims or any group that thinks they are "holier than thou". Many Mormons share
the "holier than thou" attitude (although, I don't think the church itself
does). South Park is the best show on TV for it's brave and un-politically
correct take on current events (with the nerve to actually show the profit
Mohammad image on TV - twice, ok once - you had to watch the internet version to
see the 2nd). What the only "sometimes" watchers miss is the moral message at
the end of each episode that illuminates the society misjudgments. It is often
very clever at getting the point across. Each character represents a faction of
society and stereo type. The show is much deeper than it appears on the
surface. I myself find me squirming in some episodes - it's an equal opportunity
offender. Freedom of speech means you sometimes won't like what you hear.
Applicable to all.
Meh!Oops. Wrong show.
The last time these guys made an anti-Mormon production, it failed. Entirely.South Park continues to slip into oblivion as a show that is meaningless
and tame by today's standards.Forgive me, but, "meh". Some
entertainment biz big shot who is increasingly irrelevant doesn't like Mormons.
They should excommunicate everyone who didn't donate to Prop H8.If mormons
are associated with this play or see it, they should be excommunicated as well.
I bet the south park creators are ute fans.
And the persecution of the LDS continues......
You nailed it. This show will last for about......hmmmmm........for as long as
haters pay the money to go see it. I chatted with a guy who made outrageous
claims about the LDS faith. I asked him where he got his information and he
said from watching South Park. Yeah, that's where I go to get facts about
anything lol. They don't realize that when people are seeking the truth these
types of false attackes only help the Church and the people seeking the truth.
It may get a moments laugh from some but when the show is over people will
ponder it and know that it is not accurate. Except, of course, for the haters.
We can only pray for them.
Dude, Ricki, why so defensive? You "will defend (your) first amendment right to
do so," but is your right being taken away somehow? Why do you think you'll
need to defend your right? Oh, I get it, it's because you think that since The
Church will probably release a statement expressing their displeasure with the
whole thing that they're somehow taking away your right. Like the gays in
California who think that since The Church expressed their disagreement with gay
marriage they somehow took away their rights--Reasoning 101 class is two doors
The South Park guys have already shown that they can't put anything good
together. I mean poorly animated characters and lame story lines, Yawn. I mean,
do they think that South Park fans actually watch musicals? They probably are
too lazy to make to the fridge. As far as them mocking the
church....maybe we should protest and threaten them! LOL!....Then make a musical
I think that pretty much sums it up.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you
win." - Mahatma Gandhi We should all rejoice: they don't ignore us
any more. We're one step closer to winning.
Ricki, you crack me up..... I can hear little kids yelling at each
other: "Git off my proppity...It's a free country, I can do whatever I want...."
Satire is often funny because its true. The lampoon of Scientology was
embarrassing for Scientology because, well, Scientology is embarrassing.
Have Matt Stone and Trey Parker ever heard of "Saturday's Voyeur"?
I'm a South Park loving Mormon. Sure Matt and Trey have mocked us, but they've
been nicer to us than to any other religion..and they have Joseph Smith as one
of the "Super Best Friends" with Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, etc. I'll take Matt
and Trey over Huckabee et al.
The creators of South Park, eh, how fitting. The only cartoon that takes the
name of "The Almighty" in vane more than repetative reruns of Reverend Wright.
There's a saying out there that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Let's
just wait to see what the message is at the end. Remember it was a South Park
episode that showed everyone in hell and people were wondering which religion
was correct, and the devil or his helper said it was the Mormons. I won't get up
in arms until I see what it has to say.
It looks like they have run out of original ideas. As a society we need to come
together--United we stand divided we fall.
What a waste of good talent. Why don't they do something that truly inspires?
The fathers of Broadway are rolling in their graves.AngieNew
I just hope they focus on the culture rather than the doctrine. Any attacks on
LDS beliefs is a low blow. Just as their attacks on Scientologists are. I
definitely believe we have to be able to laugh at ourselves, and I often am able
to do so, especially when people make light of Mormon CULTURE. But when people
maliciously attack the very doctrine of various religions that in no way affect
them, that's what we call full-on bigotry.
Why would you need to defend your first amendment rights, who says the show is
not going to be shown.
don't worry about arrogant south park guys-they have made and kept MILLIONS over
the past 8 years while you have gone deeper and deeper in debt. I bet they LOVE
what the conservative side has done for them financially.
Mormons (including me) need a ribbing now and again. I liked the Mormon episode
of South Park - it was factually accurate, and the moral of the story was that
Mormons might believe some crazy-sounding stuff but they are usually nice
people. We might as well have a sense of humor about it, because
this sort of thing is not going away, regardless of our reaction.
Sounds about as interesting as a roadshow.But, mark my words,
several hundred suckers eager to show support for Mormon-bashing will pay
$300-500 for tickets during the first and only day of its ill-fated run. Then,
once it ignominiously folds, there will be the usual complaints that the Church
-- rather than a couple of no-talent hacks with an axe to grind -- killed the
play.These clowns are so predictable!
I cannot wait to see it and will defend my first amendment right to do so.
This is a peculiar thing because I have seen a few of South Park's shows and
they tend to make fun of Mormons and Joseph Smith. So are they going to use this
as a forum to mock the LDS church? Carolyn, Altoona, Pa.
JST John 15:18 18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before
it hated you.JST John 15:19 19 If ye were of the world, the world
would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you
out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.JST John 15:20 20
Remember the word that I said unto you. The servant is not greater than his
lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have
kept my saying, they will keep yours also.JST John 15:21 21 But all
these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him
that sent me.JST John 15:22 22 If I had not come and spoken unto
them, they had not had sin; but now they have no cloak for their sin.
In Matt Stone's interviews, he comes across as arrogant and elitist by making
fun of people who actually work.
I'd rather see wicked.
I have nothing against good clean fun when making fun of the peculiarity of
others but South Park is trash. The few times I've watched it, it has been
filthy and that kind of humor is not funny, in my opinon. It speaks of a weak
minded person who hasn't the intelligence to be really funny. I know this show
is popular but it just speaks of how far people have lowered themselves. Making
fun of Mormons is okay but to try and bring filth into it isn't. These men are
base who produce this nasty stuff.
Who said, "Bad press is better than no press at all." The more attention is
drawn to the LDS Church, the more people searching for the truth will find it.
How does it sound hilarious?I mean, the article didn't even give a
plot or storyline. I mean, it MIGHT be funny, but how do you know?All I know about it is that it's in the works.
Again the "tolerance" double standard rears it's ugly head. Are there any
doubts a musical making fun of gays, blacks, or Jews wouldn't cause wide-spread
protests? It's not the first time Stone and Parker have attacked missionaries
either - remember the missionary "porn" movie they made a few years ago? It's
very easy to make fun of the beliefs of others, apparently it's not so easy to
decide if you actually should.
just a factual error: They picketed at temples in more than three states.
That sounds hilarious... I am excited to see it. As an LDS person I know we have
created a culture that is very easy to be made fun of. It's too bad
the lead has already been casted, I would love to have a chance at it.