Comments about ‘Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage’

Lets move on to some other news. This story is old and yes I posted this comment.

expat:
you might think about tiptoeing back into the closet.

Homosexuals are not now nor have ever been banned from marrying. Marriage is DEFINED as the union of a man and a woman. Homosexuals are free to marry anyone who is of the opposite sex.

Mormons have the right to disagree with a life style. They don't have the right to interfere with some else's life.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire (1694 - 1778),

Stenar,

"America is not a simple democracy. America is a republic. This means the minority should be protected from the tyranny of the majority."

It also means that the majority must be protected from the tyranny of the minority. It doesn't go all one way. In this instance it is the minority who is trying to impose their will on the majority even though the majority doesn't discriminate against them based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said "[Bear] always in mind that a nation ceases to be republican only when the will of the majority ceases to be the law" and "We are sensible of the duty and expediency of submitting our opinions to the will of the majority, and can wait with patience till they get right if they happen to be at any time wrong." He went on to say "Against such a majority we cannot effect [the gathering them into the fold of truth] by force. Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments" and "If the measures which have been pursued are approved by the majority, it is the duty of the minority to acquiesce and conform."

That is the dumbest comment that has ever been blogged. This issue is over marriage defined between a man and woman. Not whether or not marriage can happen. I am sick of hearing about all of this as a civil rights issue. Everyone I ask cannot tell me how this is a civil rights issue. I have asked both sides and the only thing I hear is marriage should be between anyone. Stop comparing yourself to the African American movement. No one is beating or killing gay or lesbians. You are not being shunned when you go into a restaurant. You are not separated by a dividing line. The question is marriage. It is defined as man and woman. No one is withholding benefits. Nothing is being taken away except the sanctity of marriage being withheld. Sue whomever you want. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman. Even if some judges think differently. The power of procreation cannot happen between two women and two men.
Last thing, stop addressing this as the Mormon's fault. No matter how much you protest in Utah or at any other Mormon church or temple it will not change the church's stance.

If the only thing at issue were the civil rights of gay people, I would never have voted yes for Prop 8. But, that is not the issue. You lost, and you cannot bring yourselves to accept that all of your Hollywood money could not overturn the people of Florida, Arizona, and California. The people have spoken. See you in 2012.

Actions have consequences. When you step into the fire, you should expect to get burned.

We showed those Dixie Chicks what it means to be a citizen and speak out. Drive 'em out of business. Burn their CD's. Show them who's boss.

Keep following our righteous example. We showed you exactly how to do it.

Wow!

Can someone please tell me which constitutional right is being violated by a law the protects traditional marriage? I'm not quite seeing it.

IF there is a federal constitutional right involved, then why waste all the time and agony currently being undertaken? Why not just get a case before the U.S. Supreme Court and have the Court declare unconstitutional the law the voters in California just approved. Simple.

IF there isn't a federal constitutional right involved, then the people may pass a law limiting marriage to the traditional definition (which they have just done) and, given the fluidity of the California initiative process, other people may propose a different initiative and have that passed. Again, it's simple.

Until then, why doesn't the majority rule?

So why did Proposition 8 not go the way of the gay rights people in California? I think that it could only be those big bad Mormons! I mean, what were we thinking, allowing others to make a choice and vote on an issue? How silly. Certainly everyone who wasn't Mormon and voted against the gay rights people were brainwashed by those naughty boys in white with tags. If it weren't for those big bad Mormons, surely gay rights would be different in California right now.

The fact is that the voters in 3 states voted on an issue that was left to the voters. It's interesting that homsexuality is being viewed as the same as racial prejudice. Last I heard, sexual orientation isn't a minority. You chose a life style that is far different than the norm. You don't qualify as a couple, you are not the norm. You are also not a minority that needs protecting. Marriage is a means of joy where families are created through the gift of procreation. I don't think that's possible in a homosexual relationship. I guess that's something that you will just have to get used to. Hence the difference in marriage and civil unions.

Homosexual marriage threatens traditional marriage in that once it becomes legal homosexuals will use that power to legitimize homosexuality in churches, schools, etc. This is not a lie.

Go ahead, any of you homosexuals (especially now that you are smoking angry at the LDS church) and HONESTLY tell us that the homosexual lobby doesn't have the destruction of organized religion on their agenda. This is what will happen when they decide to sue.

Go ahead, any of you homosexuals, and HONESTLY tell us that indoctrination of our children will not take place once homosexual marriage is legalized by the state. It's already taking place in Massachusetts...google it.

Regarding your slam on polygamy:

What do you think will happen when homosexual marriage is legalized? Use the same arguments for homosexual marriage and HOW CAN YOU DENY POLYGAMISTS THE SAME RIGHT??? Legalization of homosexual marriage is a dangerous slippery slope that you yourself don't want to walk down (as evidenced by your concern about polygamy).

Most Americans really could care less what people do with their private lives. But there is a line drawn when we realize equal "marriage" is a not what it seems. It's a power play. Pure and simple.

I hope the church takes a beatin' on this one. They have chosen...poorly.

The attach on LDS members and buildings has slowed in LA a bit because of the backlash here. Many people who have not necessarily been very friendly to the LDS have called to thank them for their actions. Pastors have asked their congregations to call and thank there LDS friends.

The Gay and Lesbian leaders here have suddenly realized that their actions have been counter productive to their cause. They are now viewed as mean, vindictive, intolerant and vulgar. Beating up old women and using filthy speech in the presence of children has definitely not helped their cause. The media may be on the side of the Gays and Lesbians in this instance but the people are not.

I suspect Prop 8 would pass by a more substantial margin today than on Nov. 4.

At the core of this debate is the separation of church and state. The Book of Mormon warns against laws governing beliefs that would "bring men onto unequal grounds" (Alma 30:7). At the same time, churches need to be protected from government intervention that would infringe upon the church's practices (providing that these practices are not harmful and do not take away the rights of individual's outside of the church). Ironically, the solution to this debate resides within the current practices of the LDS church. Currently, the church acknowledges a "tiered" marriage system consisting of a "civil" or "legal" marriage and a "higher" marriage system based upon the religious teachings of the church (Temple Marriage). By separating the "legal" and "spiritual" compenents of marriage, the legal rights and responsibilities afforded by government recognized marriages can be extended to all individuals while church sanctioned marriages could be controlled by the religious institutions offering them as part of their practices. Churches would have control over the conditions of entering into these religiously governed marriages (e.g., by limiting to heterosexual couples). Ultimately, the church could then focused on strengthening members through the meaning and sanctity of the religious aspects of the marriage.

Gay community? Why does the LDS church and it's member think someone who supports individual rights, which also means yes gay people, are they themselves gay?

I am a married hetro sexual female who stands by the bible verse judge less shall be judged. I accept this is not my place nor anyone else on this beautiful planet to judge another. Perhaps members of LDS faith should stop reading the Book of Mormon for a moment and re educate themselves on the Bible and what it means to say you are a christian.

Love only creates more love. Anger and hate are the destruction pieces of any civilization.

If the press wouldn't give them so much attention, maybe they would shut up and go home!

Can't the so-called blacklists work both ways? Those of us who deeply believe marriage between a man and a woman is the best way to strengthen a civilization (not to mention perpetuate the population - has anyone taken biology?) can send support and business to the people who voted their conscience. The sleeping giant actually represents those of us who are so busy trying to keep our communities together, despite efforts from those who just want their way regardless of consequences. We don't have time to protest, because we are parents and teachers and community volunteers picking up the pieces of a very threatened society. I am not threatened by anyone in the GLBT population, and I know there are many good people who have been hurt. But they ARE free to pursue their lifestyle, just as I am free to pursue my traditional lifestyle. Let's show our support instead of fighting!

I am so concerned about al the demonstrations that i tossed and turned last-nite and didn't fall asleep untill 9 p.m.but i'm sure i'll get over it!!!

why can't i say God at graduation?
why can't i say in God we trust during the preamble...in fact, why did we completely get rid of saying the preamble?
Why can't we say a prayer at sport games anymore?
Why can't we say a prayer at graduation anymore?

GAYS believe in being OPEN minded- as long as it is THEIR way!
LIBERALS believe in being OPEN minded- as long as it is THEIR way!
When it comes to the average God-fearing person...our rights have quickly been taken away!