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Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage
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Rights | 12:27 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Gays, polygamists, bigamist, and all other alternative unions deserve to be on
the same playing field as everyone traditional family unions. Children deserve
the diversity that comes with having a mom and a mom or a dad and a dad. Let the
experiments happen.
Wade | 12:30 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Fair enough. Find one person who is going to go to the trouble of getting the
church's tax exempt status to be removed over $4000. Do you have receipts
to verify that or is it a number you came up with from a pro gay website? I
have seen so many different numbers now that it is obvious they are all bogus.
Mormon individuals can make whatever donations they want. Maybe your time would
be better spent to figure out how Obama can spend $100 million on a campaign and
follow that up with a promise of fiscal responsibility.
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rvalens2 | 12:35 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Re: Landon
"If anyone can show me where in the constitution, or any of the amendments, it guarantees anyone, gay or straight, the RIGHT to marry, I'll vote for Gay Marriage next time it comes around, and I'll even donate money to the cause."
Landon, please see my previous post.
I guess you'll be voting FOR Gay marriage the next time it comes around.
See ya at the voting booth.
"If anyone can show me where in the constitution, or any of the amendments, it guarantees anyone, gay or straight, the RIGHT to marry, I'll vote for Gay Marriage next time it comes around, and I'll even donate money to the cause."
Landon, please see my previous post.
I guess you'll be voting FOR Gay marriage the next time it comes around.
See ya at the voting booth.
Not Blind | 12:58 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
The church was direct in encouraging if not REQUIRING its members to obey them
and donate money to the cause, gathering 4 out of every 5 dollars supporting
prop 8. On top of that, they ran robotic phone messages to California from Utah
thus crossing the line between spiritual institution and political machine.
This accountability is the reason the church is being targeted. The argument
that church funds were not used is irrelevant when the church is who gave the
direct orders.
Re: Re: Wade | 1:22 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Everyone knows that Mormons controlled the outcome of the Prop 8 election in CA,
and thus all the protesting and attacks are justified...
Let's do some math to see who the real threat to the future of humanity might be:
You stated the LDS church donated $4934.18
Approximately $74 million was spent on Prop 8.
Logically, this means the meddling Mormon church swayed the election by contributing a whopping 0.00668% of the total contributions!
I wonder what the Mormons were able to do with almost $5000 that had such a powerful effect on so many millions of Californians?
That kind of power for so little money means that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet easily have enough money to control the minds of the the entire world...
Yikes!!! Let's hope that they never figure out what the Mormons must already know.
Let's do some math to see who the real threat to the future of humanity might be:
You stated the LDS church donated $4934.18
Approximately $74 million was spent on Prop 8.
Logically, this means the meddling Mormon church swayed the election by contributing a whopping 0.00668% of the total contributions!
I wonder what the Mormons were able to do with almost $5000 that had such a powerful effect on so many millions of Californians?
That kind of power for so little money means that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet easily have enough money to control the minds of the the entire world...
Yikes!!! Let's hope that they never figure out what the Mormons must already know.
RE: Erika Skougard | 1:45 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I read the article and did not think that the vandalism was coming from those
demonstrating.
One could "read into" was written. The Deseret News did not do anything wrong.
One could "read into" was written. The Deseret News did not do anything wrong.
Fires in California | 1:50 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
There are more serious things going on in Calif. this weekend than the protests.
Many people are losing homes to the raging fires. Very sad!
Truce Week | 2:00 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Can we just have a truce on this for at least one week. I am tired of seeing
this issue as the most commented. Let's focus on what is important this
week-the BYU-Utah football game.
I hope that the loser will not demand a recount, have a dangling chad, protest Proposition 2008 (what I am calling this game), write hate mail towards the other school, protest the Mormons if BYU wins, protest the jack-Mormons if Utah wins (couldn't resist being sarcastic there and no offense to those LDS or non-LDS at Utah and BYU), etc.
I am going to be at the game with my friend. One of us will be decked out in BYU attire and the other in Utah attire. No, we are not getting married, nor did the thought ever cross our minds. We have to draw the line somewhere. But, we are civil to each other. Vote Yes on keeping Utah fans from marrying BYU fans! You never know where this atrocity could lead!
Let's try to just enjoy each others differences and enjoy a great game this week. Can we please have a truce for at least 1 week? Go Cougs/Go Utes!
I hope that the loser will not demand a recount, have a dangling chad, protest Proposition 2008 (what I am calling this game), write hate mail towards the other school, protest the Mormons if BYU wins, protest the jack-Mormons if Utah wins (couldn't resist being sarcastic there and no offense to those LDS or non-LDS at Utah and BYU), etc.
I am going to be at the game with my friend. One of us will be decked out in BYU attire and the other in Utah attire. No, we are not getting married, nor did the thought ever cross our minds. We have to draw the line somewhere. But, we are civil to each other. Vote Yes on keeping Utah fans from marrying BYU fans! You never know where this atrocity could lead!
Let's try to just enjoy each others differences and enjoy a great game this week. Can we please have a truce for at least 1 week? Go Cougs/Go Utes!
12:24am RE:Wade | 2:22 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
RE:WADE reminds us that "individual Mormons' donations (may) have
dwarfed all other churches...".(?) Homosexuals (e.g. GLBT, NAMBLA, LAMDA,
etc may have donated the most to "No on Prop 8". Should people in
favor of Prop 8 start persecuting homosexuals? Burn things on their lawns (e.g.
Clay Aiken albums)? Boycott Broadway shows? Stop watching Bravo? I wouldn't
support that. Does the "No on 8" mob think that's where all this
is headed? Do you really think the 40% of California that voted with you simply
because they pitied you is going to honor your boycotts or tolerate your
percsecution of honorable, upstanding citizens who are their neighbors?
You're just turning them against you - by the thousands - reminding them of
why they voted against you last time. You're also alerting many of them to
the simple fact that they got duped by the California AG's word-games with
the ballot measure and they "mis-cast" their ballot. They're
watching the news and vowing not to make that mistake again.
Bring on the rematch, baby. We know there'll be one. Next Vote: 70% to 30% in favor of confirming that lawful marriage is between one man and one woman.
Bring on the rematch, baby. We know there'll be one. Next Vote: 70% to 30% in favor of confirming that lawful marriage is between one man and one woman.
Anonymous | 2:36 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Everyone should have the right to marry whomever they want. This is a personal
issue and a family issue. My right to marry the one I love has nothing to do
with your opinions.
"Civil government cannot let any group ride roughshod over others simply because their consciences tell them to do so."
-- Robert H. Jackson
"Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there."
-- Clare Booth Luce
"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
-- John Morley
"Free societies...are societies in motion, and with motion comes tension, dissent, friction. Free people strike sparks, and those sparks are the best evidence of freedom's existence."
-- Salman Rushdie
"Civil government cannot let any group ride roughshod over others simply because their consciences tell them to do so."
-- Robert H. Jackson
"Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there."
-- Clare Booth Luce
"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
-- John Morley
"Free societies...are societies in motion, and with motion comes tension, dissent, friction. Free people strike sparks, and those sparks are the best evidence of freedom's existence."
-- Salman Rushdie
understanding | 3:34 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
California voters have now twice stated by referendum that they do not want to
grant government recognition of marriage to same-sex couples.
That�s a pretty clear message that the people of California
do not want a public policy that gives official recognition to same-sex couples,
outside of partnership contracts.I�d expect to see that on
the ballot every two years from now on, but if its backers keep acting like
lunatics, they can expect to lose by greater margins in the future.
gays are not nice | 3:52 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
In Cali; The late local news showed scenes of several Hispanic females in tears
outside the temple trying to remove the signs desecrating the walls and fences
surrounding the temple. As these individuals � who
according to the news were not church members � removed the
hate-filled signs, the mob exploded and began beating the individuals to the
ground,�
will LDS be forced to marry gays | 3:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Both the Roman Catholic Church and the LDS Church took a stand, along with other
Christian groups, to preserve the insitution of "marriage" as between
1 man and 1 woman. This passed by a majority vote. It seems that the
in-your-face, 'bashing' response is geared to intimidate not just
members but the viewing public into giving in, with the implication that whoever
opposes them will be the next focus of their ire.
Once same-sex marriage is 'legal', will the government then attempt to REQUIRE churches to marry same-sex couples, regardless of that church's moral opposition? There are already gay unions which have all the temporal benefits which "marriage" has from the state. Isn't this continual pushing because they essentially want the state to force the Churches to say homosexuality is "good", and "approved". No matter what the government does, I do not see that ever happening.
Once same-sex marriage is 'legal', will the government then attempt to REQUIRE churches to marry same-sex couples, regardless of that church's moral opposition? There are already gay unions which have all the temporal benefits which "marriage" has from the state. Isn't this continual pushing because they essentially want the state to force the Churches to say homosexuality is "good", and "approved". No matter what the government does, I do not see that ever happening.
Mormons accept blame!!! | 3:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
it was on the news in Utah that a Catholic Bishop who had been in Salt Lake
previously had written to LDS President Monson to ask him to specifically ask
members to consider giving their time to work on this moral issue. It's
rare for the LDS Church to comment on any election process at all beyond
"Be involved in your community, learn the issues and make your decisions a
matter of prayer between you and the Lord". It may become even more
necessary to work together in the future as lobbying groups attempt to legislate
what ought to remain moral issues.
Intresting....HARRASSMENT??? | 4:05 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Lorri L. Jean, chief executive of the Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center, told
the LA Times that a postcard will be sent to the president of the Mormon Church
for every $5 donated, condemning "the reprehensible role the Church of
Latter-day Saints leadership played in denying all Californians equal rights
under the law."
Mike from Valdosta, GA | 4:07 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
They are just making a bigger deal about the LDS church than what it needs to
be. It wasn't the church who made the vote. Yes they may have put money
into the cause, and I most certaintly don't think that the LDS church paid
people to vote for the prop. I think that it was the state of California as a
whole that got the prop passed.
Wrong Protest Wrong Time | 5:07 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
It is interesting that these protests are happening after everyone in California
had voted on Proposition 8.
Now that Proposition 8 failed, all the riots, the dirty letters, etc just goes to show that a loser is generally a sore loser. These protests should have been from the beginning about how it should have even be worthy of a vote by the American people. Why did they wait until after the vote to start their displays.
Now that Proposition 8 failed, all the riots, the dirty letters, etc just goes to show that a loser is generally a sore loser. These protests should have been from the beginning about how it should have even be worthy of a vote by the American people. Why did they wait until after the vote to start their displays.
Wrong Protest Wrong Time #2 | 5:09 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Wasn't able to fix my error. Proposition 8 passed, not failed. Sorry.
But I am glad it passed. This is one thing I am grateful for that Obama was running. He brought out many many passionate voters.
But I am glad it passed. This is one thing I am grateful for that Obama was running. He brought out many many passionate voters.
Kansan | 5:16 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
This has all gotten way out of hand. Why doesn't anyone realize that
Mormons didn't pass Proposition 8? As Mormons only make up about 2 percent
of the population in California, it's a mathematical impossibility!
Additionally, not every Mormon voted in favor of the amendment.
According to the L.A. Times, protesters are now focusing their anger on the black community as well as anyone else who voted in favor of the Proposition. Who are the bigots now? Yes, you have the right to be critical and criticism shouldn't involve epiteths. What all this amounts to is harrassment. I don't understand why a group so focused on tolerance and being accepted is now the one being so intolerable of other people's beliefs and lifestyles.
Take it to the courts, not the streets!
According to the L.A. Times, protesters are now focusing their anger on the black community as well as anyone else who voted in favor of the Proposition. Who are the bigots now? Yes, you have the right to be critical and criticism shouldn't involve epiteths. What all this amounts to is harrassment. I don't understand why a group so focused on tolerance and being accepted is now the one being so intolerable of other people's beliefs and lifestyles.
Take it to the courts, not the streets!
Gettysburg?? | 5:35 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
People need to focus here. The issue at Gettysburg was about people being held
as slaves. This was not their coice to be slaves. Gays and Lesbians have made
the LIFESTYLE CHOICE and now want to try to justify that choice by forcing
everyone to accept their ideas as normal. Don't try to compare salvery to
bad choices.
Anonymous | 5:45 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I keep hearing gays say stay out of our state. Last time I checked it was still
my Country. I have a say what happens in this country. So, I and others are
allowed to send money to whatever political stand we want. Just like you are. I
also know for a fact that the gay movement received money from outside the state
of California just like the people who voted yes for prop 8 received money. On
another note, gays keep saying that the LDS church�s tax
exempt status should be taken away. Well, I also know there our gay
organizations that are tax exempt. Should theirs be taken away as well? They had
a dog in the fight just like the LDS church did. They had an opinion, just like
the LDS church did. Should their tax exempt status be taken away? Come on you
guys. You only want what you want. You only see what you see. It works both
ways.
Perversion Belongs in the Closet | 6:27 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
There, I said it. It may be politically incorrect, to which I say, I'm not
sorry. I don't mean ill-will towards people who may have same-sex
attraction, but that is quite different from ramming your
"in-your'face" trashing of traditional (centuries old) family
values down the rest of our collective throats. Not to mention the poor
children who are forced to be raised into these unnatural and unholy
"marriages." No doubt, there are some gay people who are nuturing
people in their own way, but the underlying lack of a mom and dad as God
intended will only lead to more problems down the road for society.
Sleeping Giant | 6:47 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
To you people who preach love and people's rights and then rough up a 70
year old woman with a cross using her right to free speech, and who try to
indoctrinate children in the schools that being gay is "normal," and
won't allow the same school to teach the other side, and who protest at
religious sites of one group of people ,and there were other groups who helped
pass prop 8.You protest against the Mormons who teach love and tolerance, who
come to the aid of people of all faith, just because they feel this is a moral
issue. I have many gay friends and coworkers, who are not in your face trying
to get the same "rights" as married people. If you were in the
majority we would be no more. You are going to push too far and your cause will
be hurt. Societies have been brought down by this type of behavior. Get a
life-contribute to the good of all. Keep your private affairs private.
Svoboda | 6:49 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
It is a shame it has come to this.
Goering once said that if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Real marriage can only be between a man and woman.
We could try an experiment. 50 gay/lesbian couples and 50 men/women couples. Put each group on an deserted island. Come back in 75 years and see which group looks the more inviting. Oops. One of the islands is still "deserted". I wonder why?
Goering once said that if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Real marriage can only be between a man and woman.
We could try an experiment. 50 gay/lesbian couples and 50 men/women couples. Put each group on an deserted island. Come back in 75 years and see which group looks the more inviting. Oops. One of the islands is still "deserted". I wonder why?
David | 7:07 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
While Mormons may have donated much in the way of financial contributions, it
was mostly Non-Mormons that voted Yes on Prop 8. So why target the Mormons
especially with violence? I voted No this go round, I will vote yes next time.
Marriage | 7:10 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Gays are not being prohibited from marriage. Find an acceptable person of your
opposite gender that is of adult age and capable of consenting and you too could
be married.
Most selfish | 7:18 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
You know when you see a child who throws tantrums and only thinks about
"me, me, me" ? That child is immature and very selfish, never
thinking about how his or her behavior affects anyone else and thinks the world
revolves around him/her. Now look at the gay community. This is the most
narcissistic, selfish group that ever existed. They want to world to revolve
around them. They only think about themselves. Have you ever seen a gay group
do anything that wasn't about themselves? Have you ever seen them do
anything that benefitted anyone other than themselves?This is the latest in
their selfish, look at me behavior. If everyone was like them the world would
be a horrible place!
Skippy | 7:21 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
lets move on to some other stories.
hundreds relevant? | 7:31 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Who cares if few hundred misguided people walked around? A few million could
march at the word of the First Presidency.
bporter | 7:41 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
There is no scientific evidence that people are born gay. In fact, all the
evidence exists to say that people are born male and female. Science also tells
us that the only way people can reproduce requires both a male and a female. It
is physically impossible for two people of the same gender to concieve and give
birth to a child. Therefore, being gay or lesbian is obviously not a natural
thing, and is against all scientific evidence. I for one will continue to stand
for the fact that marriage is only appropriate as God intended it, and that is
between a man and a woman. I will never see it any other way. You can ram it
down my throat and get some ultra liberal Californai Supremem Court to legalize
gay marriage, but it will never be sanctioned in the eyes of God. May God have
mercy on your poor, decieved souls.
Emma | 7:42 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
The same people that voted FOR Obama voted FOR Prop 8. Only 2% of California is
Mormon and not all Mormons voted for Prop 8. Even those Mormons that voted
against prop 8 are still having their church targeted. So, the gays are judging
all mormons the same and that is bigotry.
Non-Mormon | 7:48 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Anyone out there know if the Unitarian "Church" donated any money to
DEFEAT Prop 8? Their stance is obvious - check it out on google. If so, where
are all the "protests" about their religious involvement; where are
all the protests about their "members" getting involved and spreading
their CHURCH'S beliefs?
I hope this garbage ignites conservatives. We had no representation in the last election. Years of sitting on our butts is what brought this garbage to the point where it is now - and "now" we either stop it or it runs right over us. They gay lobby could care less about anyone over 30; it is the minds of the young people they want. Just like Hitler wanted the youth; so to do the gays and their supporters.
Let's all write to the manufacturers of "ED" products; the ones we see on TV. Tell them to include "same sex" couples in their ads. Let's see if they do it. I doubt they would; but if they do, perhaps seeing "that" (2 dudes going to the bedroom) will shock enough people into just what they are supporting.
I hope this garbage ignites conservatives. We had no representation in the last election. Years of sitting on our butts is what brought this garbage to the point where it is now - and "now" we either stop it or it runs right over us. They gay lobby could care less about anyone over 30; it is the minds of the young people they want. Just like Hitler wanted the youth; so to do the gays and their supporters.
Let's all write to the manufacturers of "ED" products; the ones we see on TV. Tell them to include "same sex" couples in their ads. Let's see if they do it. I doubt they would; but if they do, perhaps seeing "that" (2 dudes going to the bedroom) will shock enough people into just what they are supporting.
Not a rights issue | 7:50 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
It's not, it's a moral issue.
Moral issue
Moral issue
Moral issue
Moral issue
Common Sense | 7:58 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
It's these exact same people protesting that their rights are being taken
away that vote against my right to bear arms every chance they get because they
think its 'best' for society.
Anyway they spin this, the fact that is clear to the majority is that they will do or say anything to legitimize their inappropriate lifestyle.
Anyway they spin this, the fact that is clear to the majority is that they will do or say anything to legitimize their inappropriate lifestyle.
Still Questions | 7:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
There still is not a post from the supporters of Homosexuality that addresses
the Real Issue!
IS HOMOSEXUALITY RIGHT OR WRONG?
Always the side step, my rights are violated, or "equal protection". My favorite whine is that "I should be tolerant" of their poor choice.
Remember that we as a group set the standards by what is tolerated. Some of the posts try to say that a majority should give in to minorities for tolerance sake, Why? What is next? Do we continue to move down the scale of degeneracy until there is no right or wrong?
Quit whining about nothing (which is what happening since you lost) and figure out what is right, and what is wrong.
IS HOMOSEXUALITY RIGHT OR WRONG?
Always the side step, my rights are violated, or "equal protection". My favorite whine is that "I should be tolerant" of their poor choice.
Remember that we as a group set the standards by what is tolerated. Some of the posts try to say that a majority should give in to minorities for tolerance sake, Why? What is next? Do we continue to move down the scale of degeneracy until there is no right or wrong?
Quit whining about nothing (which is what happening since you lost) and figure out what is right, and what is wrong.
Rich | 7:59 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
It's "Gr8 to be Str8"!!!!!
RE; DEMOCRACY | 8:06 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
YOU ALMOST SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
Move Along | 8:17 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Nothing to see here, move along. Move along.
Look at the facts | 8:32 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
A number of posters have tried show that it's the responsibility of judges
to override the will of the people when necessary in an attempt to justify the
protesters actions. Problem is 1) courts are only able to override the
executive and legislative branches, not the will of the people and 2) their are
no people being denied rights had by others.
Even the US Supreme Court is subject to rulings that conform to the constitution, which is only in force because it was ratified by the voice of the people and it can be changed by the voice of the people (and it has been done 27 times). Two thirds of states now have bans on gay marriages, this would be enough for a new amendment if it were put to vote. Society would never trust it's laws to me made by four California judges. Instead we rely on them to ensure the laws that are passed by the Executive and Legislative branch are according to the voice of the people. The California court frequently seeks to subvert the will of the people because they disagree with it.
Even the US Supreme Court is subject to rulings that conform to the constitution, which is only in force because it was ratified by the voice of the people and it can be changed by the voice of the people (and it has been done 27 times). Two thirds of states now have bans on gay marriages, this would be enough for a new amendment if it were put to vote. Society would never trust it's laws to me made by four California judges. Instead we rely on them to ensure the laws that are passed by the Executive and Legislative branch are according to the voice of the people. The California court frequently seeks to subvert the will of the people because they disagree with it.
RPJ | 8:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Mankind may bravely say that there is no sin. But fornication, adultery and
homosexuality are still sins. In the case of moral issues, majority or minority
doesn't matter. Right is still right and wrong is still wrong. You can
protest, scream, flail and even gnash your teeth. It will not change truth.
We should not forget the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Lord told Abraham that He was going to destroy these wicked cities, mainly because of their sexual sins. But Abraham pled with the Lord not to destroy the cities because he would destroy the righteous with the wicked. The problem was, the only righteous people who could be found were Lot and his family.
When the Lord sent holy men to visit Lot, he had to protect them from those of the city who wanted to "know them" (in other words, have sex with them). Lot and his family were led away and then the cities were destroyed.
Sodom and Gomorrah is here and the residents are knocking on our doors. They are in our face with their demands. They want our pity.
I hope there are still righteous people left to protect our civilization.
We should not forget the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Lord told Abraham that He was going to destroy these wicked cities, mainly because of their sexual sins. But Abraham pled with the Lord not to destroy the cities because he would destroy the righteous with the wicked. The problem was, the only righteous people who could be found were Lot and his family.
When the Lord sent holy men to visit Lot, he had to protect them from those of the city who wanted to "know them" (in other words, have sex with them). Lot and his family were led away and then the cities were destroyed.
Sodom and Gomorrah is here and the residents are knocking on our doors. They are in our face with their demands. They want our pity.
I hope there are still righteous people left to protect our civilization.
Re: Wade @ 12:24 | 8:45 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Please tell me where you got your figures ($4,943.18) for what "the
Church" donated. And if you got it off a pro-gay website, you'll have
to document that for me as well (where THEY got it from.) I know my church and
what you're saying is just not true.
Observer | 8:49 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
The only hateful behaviour I have observed is that of the sore losers. I am
straight and USED TO BE sympathetic to the same-sex marriage cause, but no more.
This isn't about equality but about political power. It turns my stomach.
I'm tired of being used.
Bill | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Answer the following questions?
Who is trying to change the definition of marrige?
How can you take rights away rights from a group that is not a protected class?
Who is protesting and blocking others freedoms that are a protected class ie religion!
Who is using violet actions and calling others racist?
Please show us were because someone disagrees with you and they are religious that they are evil and oh yes not allowed to express their opions because they are religious?
Who is trying to change the definition of marrige?
How can you take rights away rights from a group that is not a protected class?
Who is protesting and blocking others freedoms that are a protected class ie religion!
Who is using violet actions and calling others racist?
Please show us were because someone disagrees with you and they are religious that they are evil and oh yes not allowed to express their opions because they are religious?
Chris | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I gave my life to the church. I served in every position my Heavenly Father
asked me to. I went on a mission, and did everything I could to be an upstanding
member of the church. I tried so hard to overcome my attraction to the same sex.
Countless amounts of therapy with church leaders, LDS counselors along with
intense personal effort resulted in a complete understanding that this was truly
not a choice. I wish that those that think this is a choice could have viewed
and experienced the years of emotional pain, tears, deep reflection, and soul
searching that were involved in this realization. I asked my heterosexual
mother to visualize herself "choosing" to be attracted to women. She
could not imagine it. I can assure you I did not choose my attraction. I am now
with my best friend and soul mate who I love and admire. I have hopes and dreams
for a beautiful life together just like my heterosexual siblings have with their
spouses. Marriage provides many privileges and benefits that are real. They
should be given to every equal child of God and citizen of this great land.
Patrick | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
As one of the organizers of the rally and vigil last night, I think it
appropriate for me to clarify some things for people who were not there.
1) We are anti-violence. I know the actions of less than a handful of individuals have caused damage to LDS structures. On the other side, I've seen the pain of families who have had their sons and daughters murdered for being gay. We condemn violence from either side.
2) We're not Anti-LDS, we're Pro-Family. The reason the LDS is catching a lot of backfire is because for being 5% of Califonias population, they funded 77% of the Yes on 8 campaign. LGBT people are angry because their families are being attacked- and a disproportionate amount of the funding for these attacks has come from LDS hands.
Both sides argue that their actions are motivated by a dedication to protect thier families. We're not trying to harm your family; just the opposite. Your families are beautiful. We believe our familes are beautiful and want to provide them with the same rights and protections.
Seperate is not equal. We're Americans, and as Americans we value equality. As an American, please grant other Americans equality.
1) We are anti-violence. I know the actions of less than a handful of individuals have caused damage to LDS structures. On the other side, I've seen the pain of families who have had their sons and daughters murdered for being gay. We condemn violence from either side.
2) We're not Anti-LDS, we're Pro-Family. The reason the LDS is catching a lot of backfire is because for being 5% of Califonias population, they funded 77% of the Yes on 8 campaign. LGBT people are angry because their families are being attacked- and a disproportionate amount of the funding for these attacks has come from LDS hands.
Both sides argue that their actions are motivated by a dedication to protect thier families. We're not trying to harm your family; just the opposite. Your families are beautiful. We believe our familes are beautiful and want to provide them with the same rights and protections.
Seperate is not equal. We're Americans, and as Americans we value equality. As an American, please grant other Americans equality.
MetricWrench | 9:09 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Mobs marching against Mormons is not new. Mormons were not swayed to change
their beliefs last time and they are not going to do so this time. The founder
of the church was even killed by one of these mobs and it did not stop the
Latter-day saint movement from prospering. No amount of ignorance or plain old
bigotry from any detractor will change things.
Equality? | 9:12 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
I believe that all people should be respected. What happens in one's home
is one's business. However, trying to change historical laws to fit
one's lifestyle borders on disrespect. Singling out and attacking one
religion for it's stand on historical laws is blatant disrespect.
Especially, when the Catholic and Protestant communities stood together with the
LDS church.
Anonymous | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
This is RIDICULOUS. I live in SoCal. One of our friends down here donated 100
bucks to the campaign through here photography business which she uses to
support here two kids. Gay activists found her website and are encouraging all
to boycott her business calling her shameful and a terrible person.
I once felt empathy for the anti-8s but this is DISPICAPLE behavior on their part. Who's intolerant!?!?
I once felt empathy for the anti-8s but this is DISPICAPLE behavior on their part. Who's intolerant!?!?
j b gardner | 9:29 a.m. Nov. 16, 2008
Prop 8 is not about gay rights, but children's rights and our nation's
rights, to have the basic family unit preserved.
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