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Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage
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mark | 6:28 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
WHy is LDS the prime target of LGBT protests?
Cuz ya wrote the initiative AND gave 4 of every 5 dollars for the Yes on Prop 8.
If ya can't take the BLOWBACK, speak to your elders, and thank them for your increased property and sales taxes, when 6 BILLION dollar Utah tourism TANKS.
I hadn't held any animosity towards Robert Redford and Sundance organizers until NOW. If Sundance uses Cinemark as their main venue, who donated heavily to Prop 8....EVERY film at the festival will be BOYCOTTED too.
Cinemark you can say buh bye to ALL LGBT patrons in EVERY state.
Cuz ya wrote the initiative AND gave 4 of every 5 dollars for the Yes on Prop 8.
If ya can't take the BLOWBACK, speak to your elders, and thank them for your increased property and sales taxes, when 6 BILLION dollar Utah tourism TANKS.
I hadn't held any animosity towards Robert Redford and Sundance organizers until NOW. If Sundance uses Cinemark as their main venue, who donated heavily to Prop 8....EVERY film at the festival will be BOYCOTTED too.
Cinemark you can say buh bye to ALL LGBT patrons in EVERY state.
some guy | 6:31 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
There are people on both sides of the argument who are out of line. "Stop
the hate" is right. Stop disrespecting gay people. Stop disrespecting
religious people who disagree with gay people. Stop vandalizing churches. Stop
persecuting gays.
We've all got problems. Each of us has a responsibility to live our lives as best we can. And we should be helping each other out along the way, not bringing each other down.
If homosexuality is a sin, isn't it also a sin to fail to love one's neighbor? Certainly, we should vote according to our beliefs. But in the daily challenges of life, we should be kind to one another. If we disagree, we should be civil to one another.
The religious community should seek to understand the gay community. Ask, "Why do they believe the way they do? What kind of people are they?" Don't just call them sinners. We are all imperfect.
Likewise, the gay community should seek to understand the religious community. Ask, "What are their beliefs? What kind of people are they?" Don't just call them bigots. We are all imperfect.
We cannot let our devotion to one particular belief trump our basic human decency.
We've all got problems. Each of us has a responsibility to live our lives as best we can. And we should be helping each other out along the way, not bringing each other down.
If homosexuality is a sin, isn't it also a sin to fail to love one's neighbor? Certainly, we should vote according to our beliefs. But in the daily challenges of life, we should be kind to one another. If we disagree, we should be civil to one another.
The religious community should seek to understand the gay community. Ask, "Why do they believe the way they do? What kind of people are they?" Don't just call them sinners. We are all imperfect.
Likewise, the gay community should seek to understand the religious community. Ask, "What are their beliefs? What kind of people are they?" Don't just call them bigots. We are all imperfect.
We cannot let our devotion to one particular belief trump our basic human decency.
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Tew | 6:35 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Does anyone wonder why the state of California is burning down today? God and
good will prevail.
Doodles | 6:36 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
This is not a disagreement about supposed civil rights. At the present
"civil unions" grant all the "rights" available to any
California couple.
This is an argument over the re-definition of the word "marriage", and by extension, the word "family". Despite all the rhetoric, hundreds and hundreds of posts on each related story, and all the name calling and all the anger and defensive and offensive words, what this argument comes down to is wheather or not we should re-define a very old word and the conotation which it has acquired over many thousands of years.
I say "No, we should not redefine 'marriage'."
Certainly the world has come up with many new nouns to describe people, places and things in todays culture. If the homosexual community wants a word to describe two adult humans of the same sex living together, with the understanding that they are having sexual relations, that is fine. No one is trying to keep them from coining their own word and using it. With continual use it will probably be included in the dictionary eventually.
The word "marriage" all ready has a definition and I believe that most Americans are not willing to change it.
This is an argument over the re-definition of the word "marriage", and by extension, the word "family". Despite all the rhetoric, hundreds and hundreds of posts on each related story, and all the name calling and all the anger and defensive and offensive words, what this argument comes down to is wheather or not we should re-define a very old word and the conotation which it has acquired over many thousands of years.
I say "No, we should not redefine 'marriage'."
Certainly the world has come up with many new nouns to describe people, places and things in todays culture. If the homosexual community wants a word to describe two adult humans of the same sex living together, with the understanding that they are having sexual relations, that is fine. No one is trying to keep them from coining their own word and using it. With continual use it will probably be included in the dictionary eventually.
The word "marriage" all ready has a definition and I believe that most Americans are not willing to change it.
Validation? | 6:37 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I read over and over that people think gay men and women only want to get
married so that the straight community will be forced to "validate"
their lives. ??????? A smarter person would realize that if the gay community
really cared what anyone else thought they'd all be huddled at home hiding
in the closet.
Give it a rest | 6:39 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I am so glad I left UT. Why do Mormons think they can act this way? Of course
the gays are upset... they are being treated like animals. Straight people have
pretty much screwed up the institution of marriage in the last 50 years... let
the gays have a go at ti.
Rich | 6:40 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I have a few cooment to make. Probably already done in earlier posts but I have
to have my say anyway.
First if the Church (LDS) did not stand up oppose gay marriages, then we would be hypocrits. Second, Mormons make up about what? 1% of California population and 52% of the people said no to gay marriage. Doesn't sound like we were the majority of the voters but a minority. Third, I think it's ironic that a group of people is speaking out about hate using hate. Gays are just a bunch of hypocrits. Lastly, we don't hate gays, just what they do. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Over 100 years ago, the government and majority of the people said no to plural marriage, did we protest and call others hatemongers? No, we accepted the will of the majority. Plural marriage has basis in the Bible, homosexuality does not. Remember sodom and gomorrah?
First if the Church (LDS) did not stand up oppose gay marriages, then we would be hypocrits. Second, Mormons make up about what? 1% of California population and 52% of the people said no to gay marriage. Doesn't sound like we were the majority of the voters but a minority. Third, I think it's ironic that a group of people is speaking out about hate using hate. Gays are just a bunch of hypocrits. Lastly, we don't hate gays, just what they do. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Over 100 years ago, the government and majority of the people said no to plural marriage, did we protest and call others hatemongers? No, we accepted the will of the majority. Plural marriage has basis in the Bible, homosexuality does not. Remember sodom and gomorrah?
Great Post | 6:47 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
wow, "some guy" that was probably the best post I have seen in Months
if not years. Thank you for showing there are still reasonable people in the
world and that reasonable people can disagree without being nasty.
Robert Oh | 6:51 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To those who say gays have the right to marry, just not to someone of the sex
that they want to. How would you feel if I as a gay man decided to marry your
daughter or your sister? Do you think that would be fair to her?
As they said at the rally today..."There are thousands of gay people in Utah who are today legally married, their spouses just don't know about it." They will eventually and families will be torn apart. But of course since you think we should marry someone we don't want to, it's ok.
How's that for family values?
As they said at the rally today..."There are thousands of gay people in Utah who are today legally married, their spouses just don't know about it." They will eventually and families will be torn apart. But of course since you think we should marry someone we don't want to, it's ok.
How's that for family values?
John | 6:55 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The LDS Church DID NOT give any money to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign. Get
your "facts" straight, Mark. It was individual people who donated
their time and money to the cause. This was their legal right to do so. Do not
harass and target people who were exercising their right to vote. Why punish the
LDS Church, Utah and it's tourism industry for something that the people of
California VOTED for? It makes no sense.
Obviously, all these people who are exercising hatred towards the LDS Church and Utah do not have their facts straight.
Obviously, all these people who are exercising hatred towards the LDS Church and Utah do not have their facts straight.
Heath | 6:55 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The caravan is moving on. All you antis and protestors best get ou the the way.
Discrimination? | 7:00 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Where exactly is the discrimination? No law has said that gays or lesbians
cannot marry. The laws have only said that marriage has to be between one man
and one woman. The law is equally applied to all and doesn't select a
certain group to grant or deny any particular rights to. Even if I wanted to
marry a person of my same gender for whatever reason, whether it be inheritance
or whatever, I am denied the state's sanction of such a marriage. Gays can
also marry any other consenting adult of the opposite gender, for whatever
reason they want.
The argument that gays are being denied the right to marry who they love shifts the point from a rational argument of denial of rights to more of a play on emotions. Civil unions grant all the same rights. If marriage becomes classified as a fundamental right and the decision of the state as to who can marry is based on marrying who one loves, there could ultimately be no restrictions on marriage. Any argument currently presented i.e. bigotry, by the opponents of Proposition 8 could be easily used to push the removal of any restrictions or mores society has.
The argument that gays are being denied the right to marry who they love shifts the point from a rational argument of denial of rights to more of a play on emotions. Civil unions grant all the same rights. If marriage becomes classified as a fundamental right and the decision of the state as to who can marry is based on marrying who one loves, there could ultimately be no restrictions on marriage. Any argument currently presented i.e. bigotry, by the opponents of Proposition 8 could be easily used to push the removal of any restrictions or mores society has.
Brett | 7:03 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Threats and intimidation are wrong, period. Regardless of your position on the
issue, you need to win by convincing the people of the merit of your position.
Regardless of what you might say about civil rights struggles for blacks and
women, those rights were given because a majority of the people were convinced
of the merit of their positions (i.e. constitutional amendments). Instead of
trying to force others to believe the same as you, convince them. NO more
temper-tantrums and no more threats or violence.
Zobewan | 7:04 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Stenar - Of course marriage is rooted in religion.
Civil Marriage Is between a man and a woman outside the church context.
Back in the 60's "marriage" became passe', unnecessary, and irrelevant outside the context of religion! "Who needs a piece of paper?", we ALL said.
In my opinion, "marriage" IS a religious term and should not be used outside the context of a man and a woman....think of another term...other than marriage...oh, you already have one??..then what's the point??? Must be a MONEY thing...ah yes, the almighty something for nothing motivation disguised again as the irrelevant, and selfish fulfilment of self and satisfying of your own selfish desires. Marriage is the LEAST self-serving thing that can be done in life because you both give up yourselves in the rearing of CHILDREN.
It is NOT your civil right to get more of my tax money for nothing.
It is my understanding that 44 states voted FOR the ban, so redouble your efforts, without the violence, cz thats just hurting your cause, and try again next time, like all the rest of us have to do, in pursuit of those goals important to each of us individually in our lives.
Civil Marriage Is between a man and a woman outside the church context.
Back in the 60's "marriage" became passe', unnecessary, and irrelevant outside the context of religion! "Who needs a piece of paper?", we ALL said.
In my opinion, "marriage" IS a religious term and should not be used outside the context of a man and a woman....think of another term...other than marriage...oh, you already have one??..then what's the point??? Must be a MONEY thing...ah yes, the almighty something for nothing motivation disguised again as the irrelevant, and selfish fulfilment of self and satisfying of your own selfish desires. Marriage is the LEAST self-serving thing that can be done in life because you both give up yourselves in the rearing of CHILDREN.
It is NOT your civil right to get more of my tax money for nothing.
It is my understanding that 44 states voted FOR the ban, so redouble your efforts, without the violence, cz thats just hurting your cause, and try again next time, like all the rest of us have to do, in pursuit of those goals important to each of us individually in our lives.
Clark | 7:05 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Gays and lesbians say they want equal rights, but what about equality in
American culture?
A few seasons ago, the CBS cop show CSI aired an episode in which the killer was a gay person. CBS' phone lines and e-mail accounts went hey wire. The gays were angry that they were portrayed in such a negative way on television. The same thing happened when movies like "Basic Instinct" and "Showgirls" came out.
When Greg Louganis, the gay Olympic diver, wrote his autobiography, he drew ire from many of his fellow gays for discussing how he had been in abusive relationships with other men.
So, once same-sex marriage is legal, will we see TV programs discussing domestic violence in gay and lesbian reltionships, like we do heterosexual ones? Will we see news reports about sexual abuse in a same-sex marriage household?
DON'T BET ON IT! The gays and lesbians want the good, without the bad. Plain and simple!
A few seasons ago, the CBS cop show CSI aired an episode in which the killer was a gay person. CBS' phone lines and e-mail accounts went hey wire. The gays were angry that they were portrayed in such a negative way on television. The same thing happened when movies like "Basic Instinct" and "Showgirls" came out.
When Greg Louganis, the gay Olympic diver, wrote his autobiography, he drew ire from many of his fellow gays for discussing how he had been in abusive relationships with other men.
So, once same-sex marriage is legal, will we see TV programs discussing domestic violence in gay and lesbian reltionships, like we do heterosexual ones? Will we see news reports about sexual abuse in a same-sex marriage household?
DON'T BET ON IT! The gays and lesbians want the good, without the bad. Plain and simple!
dcc | 7:08 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
It wasn't all bad. A lot of mormons were separated from their money.
Hitting them in the wallet always works.
Got the answer!! | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Here's the answer. Let them live in "Paradise" for both. Let all
the gay men get married and have one of the Hawaiian Islands all to themselves.
Same thing for the gay women. They can all be sooo happy expressing their
"rights."
In a couple of generations there won't be anymore problem!
In a couple of generations there won't be anymore problem!
So You're A Robot? | 7:11 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Article quote: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'
involvement in the issue has turned Utah into "ground zero" for the
gay civil rights movement, Jeff Key, a gay Iraq war veteran, told the crowd
gathered at the Salt Lake City-County Building...."You called us out,"
Key said. "YOU did this."
Really? Mormons are making you move your feet and wave your arms and paint antagonistic signs and jump up and down and yell and look foolish?
"Mormons" did that? Wow, and here I thought you were an intelligent human being who was capable of freedom of thought and action.
Silly me....
Really? Mormons are making you move your feet and wave your arms and paint antagonistic signs and jump up and down and yell and look foolish?
"Mormons" did that? Wow, and here I thought you were an intelligent human being who was capable of freedom of thought and action.
Silly me....
Mark | 7:13 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Can't we all just get along? I'm sure people wont ski and come to
Utah because of this. That's sad. I guess they'll have to settle for
Texas. It passed! It passed in a lot of states. Your liberal friends are the
ones to thank for it. Don't be mad at democracy. It's a good thing.
Bring it to vote again. Lets see if your liberal judges will do what that the
people want. Look at who voted. The mormons weren't the ones to pass it.
It was the other millions of people who did. That's what you do though
pick and choose who you want to discriminate against because they don't
follow your views. Nice!!!
Tragic hatred | 7:15 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The world won't soon forget what the mormon cult's hateful history is
about, denying membership and equality to African-Americans until VERY late in
the 20th century, campaigning against simple equality for gays, Warren Jeffs who
emulated Joseph Smith. most americans know that mormonism is simply a
well-funded cult. you have indeed awakened a sleeping giant and you will now
reap what you've sown.
Kirk In CA. | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
2000 --- Prop 22.. YES
2008 --- Prop 8 .. YES
20?? --- Shall we dance again?
Why can't the pro gay's understand that WE DONT WANT GAY MARRIAGE in California? It seems that the east coast is calling for you. Move there, or be happy with domestic parterships here.
I've never been more proud to be a Mormon. Bring on the pro gay marriage props. We'll fight it again happily.
2008 --- Prop 8 .. YES
20?? --- Shall we dance again?
Why can't the pro gay's understand that WE DONT WANT GAY MARRIAGE in California? It seems that the east coast is calling for you. Move there, or be happy with domestic parterships here.
I've never been more proud to be a Mormon. Bring on the pro gay marriage props. We'll fight it again happily.
Nice Try | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Story quote: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'
involvement in the issue has turned Utah into "ground zero" for the
gay civil rights movement, Jeff Key, a gay Iraq war veteran, told the crowd
gathered at the Salt Lake City-County Building...."You called us out,"
Key said. "YOU did this."
Ahhhh....the great "It's not my fault" argument.
Dude, that works up until you're about 6.
Ahhhh....the great "It's not my fault" argument.
Dude, that works up until you're about 6.
Helen | 7:20 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The church is reeling from this. STOP. All the members posting here just make it
worse and worse. STOP. I can't beleive how the church leadership and
members have reacted to this! You should be ashamed. I love my church but this
is just to much, way to much.
2 Cents | 7:21 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Just as some homosexuals hope this issue has awakened their "sleeping
giant", I am hopeful this ordeal will open up an honest discussion about
homosexuality itself, its origins, nature, and consequences. My instincts tell
me the more they continue to rankle others, the more willing people will be to
tackle the issue. Since the APA removed homosexuality from the list of mental
disorders in the early 1970s, mainly due to political pressure, research on the
matter all but screeched to a halt, except for a small cadre of mostly gay
researchers desperate to find proof that the lifestyle they lead is
pre-engineered, and therefore perfectly natural and justified.
Some of the studies that have been performed, however, are fairly interesting. One such study, done several years ago, showed that among identical twins, if one twin was homosexual, there was approximately a 52% chance the other twin would be gay. Thats curious. If one twin is gay, and his/her genes are identical to the other twin, and sexuality is determined by genetics, one would think the correlation would be 100%.
But discussing the science is unpopular nowadays, with more emphasis focused on silencing all discussion by intimidating those who disagree.
Some of the studies that have been performed, however, are fairly interesting. One such study, done several years ago, showed that among identical twins, if one twin was homosexual, there was approximately a 52% chance the other twin would be gay. Thats curious. If one twin is gay, and his/her genes are identical to the other twin, and sexuality is determined by genetics, one would think the correlation would be 100%.
But discussing the science is unpopular nowadays, with more emphasis focused on silencing all discussion by intimidating those who disagree.
2 Cents | 7:22 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
On a different note, I'm puzzled by the gay community's argument that
society should simply live and let live. What do heterosexuals care if
homosexuals marry, they ask? Homosexuals aren't trying to impinge on
heterosexual lifestyles or church rights, after all. But this argument has
already been shown to be flatly untenable.
Take, for instance, a recent court case in Connecticut. A Protestant church refused to permit a lesbian couple to use their building to perform ceremonies. The couple took the church to court, challenging their tax exempt status, and surprise, surprise, they won. In addition, look at the heat the Boy Scouts of America has been under in recent years for their opposition to permitting homosexual leaders into their ranks. The city of Philadelphia booted them from a city building that they had leased for years because they wouldn't budge. Examples as these plainly show why non-gays care so much about the issue. This isn't simply about granting homosexuals the right to marry, its about precluding the negative fallout from such an action, which is the eventual impingement on the rights on organizations to marry whom they please, and to teach morality according to their own precepts.
Take, for instance, a recent court case in Connecticut. A Protestant church refused to permit a lesbian couple to use their building to perform ceremonies. The couple took the church to court, challenging their tax exempt status, and surprise, surprise, they won. In addition, look at the heat the Boy Scouts of America has been under in recent years for their opposition to permitting homosexual leaders into their ranks. The city of Philadelphia booted them from a city building that they had leased for years because they wouldn't budge. Examples as these plainly show why non-gays care so much about the issue. This isn't simply about granting homosexuals the right to marry, its about precluding the negative fallout from such an action, which is the eventual impingement on the rights on organizations to marry whom they please, and to teach morality according to their own precepts.
Lost in traslation | 7:24 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Wow, the gay community really missed the reason why I voted for 102 in AZ. I
votes yes becasue I felt that my beliefs were being atacked and my ability to
practice my religion was slowly being taken away. This reaction is reinforcing
that.
I don't believe that Mormons or anyone else(with some exceptions i'm sure) who voted yes, hate the gay community, I think they just felt that it was time to step up and hold to thier morals.
What right does anyone have to protest my vote?
I hope that EVERYONE can take a step back and realize that we are still children of our Heavenly Father and thus brothers and sisters. Someday we will come together again as friends and neighbors and let peace prevail. Sooner better than later!
I don't believe that Mormons or anyone else(with some exceptions i'm sure) who voted yes, hate the gay community, I think they just felt that it was time to step up and hold to thier morals.
What right does anyone have to protest my vote?
I hope that EVERYONE can take a step back and realize that we are still children of our Heavenly Father and thus brothers and sisters. Someday we will come together again as friends and neighbors and let peace prevail. Sooner better than later!
good grief | 7:24 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
EVERYONE has the right to marry.... as long as it's not with someone as the
same anatomy as them. This isn't a civil rights issue. No one is being
discriminated against. Gay people do deserve equal rights, which they already
have. However, they do not deserve special rights to accomodate their chosen
lifestlye.
Anonymous | 7:28 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Prop 8 died on election day. let's move on people.
Re:Discrimination | 7:29 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
We want to marry because of love...love not "inheritance or
whatever"...therein lies the discrimination, we are not able to marry the
person we love because we are gay.
Jay | 7:29 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
It is a magnificent thing to live in a marvelous country, and to have the right
to think and vote as I wish, and to use every talent and ability to convince
others of my beliefs if not done by coersion or force. I believe that marriage
should be defined as between a man and a woman. I went to the polls and used my
agency to vote according to my beliefs and my conscience in support of Prop 8.
I did not harrass or condemn those who voted otherwise. I personally did not
initiate this opportunity to vote. The opportunity was presented and I voted.
I have gay relatives and friends who live in lawful "unions", and have
the rights I have. I do not feel it appropriate to redefine marriage to be
anything other than between a man and a woman, for the protection of our society
and future generations.
Anonymous | 7:32 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The LDS doesn't understand what equal protection under the law is and has
behaved un-Americanly. Gay or str* -- we won't put up with it!
Curious | 7:47 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Why is it that so many mormon retorts contain the phrases: "get a
life", "get a clue", or, "get real". It seems like
such a grade school comeback. Is this the equivalent of mormon swearing? Just
wondering.
Edmund C. Burke | 8:03 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
"All that is needed for evil to succeed is that decent human beings do
nothing". - Edmund C. Burke
The Majority rules, Proposition 8 succeeded!
The Majority rules, Proposition 8 succeeded!
awsomeron | 8:04 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The only thing I get out of this so far is that these Gay Marriage people are
SORE LOSERS.
Had they Won would I have the right to make such a noise over their winning, think not. My protest would be considered hate speech and anti gay marriage. They would be right on the 2nd. However i believed that Gay Marriage was wrong way before I joined the Church
So according to them this Democracy thing is only supposed to work if it works for them. I do not think so.
I would bert that the Church has good security in place and that they are beyond ready to protect property and take care of business, if need be.
This has nothing to do with Church and State. You Vote according to your belief system and what you feel is right.
You give Mormons and lots of other Christians way to much credit on this issue.
Had they Won would I have the right to make such a noise over their winning, think not. My protest would be considered hate speech and anti gay marriage. They would be right on the 2nd. However i believed that Gay Marriage was wrong way before I joined the Church
So according to them this Democracy thing is only supposed to work if it works for them. I do not think so.
I would bert that the Church has good security in place and that they are beyond ready to protect property and take care of business, if need be.
This has nothing to do with Church and State. You Vote according to your belief system and what you feel is right.
You give Mormons and lots of other Christians way to much credit on this issue.
Tired | 8:07 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The economy is up in flames and this gets more air time than any issue. Who
cares? Move to Massachussets if it's such a big problem. That's why
states are allowed to make their own laws - competitive advantage.
Lets just get along | 8:10 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Homophobes, chill out: Gays have been around forever, let them live in peace and
respect.
Gays, chill out: the people have spoken and voted against defining Gay people as married.
What will protesting LDS facilities do ?
Will it make it reverse ?
What if it went in favor of the Gay population, would it be right for "heteros" to protest Gay groups and their assemblies ?
What about the other groups, like the Knights of Columbus and anyone else voting against Gay marriage ? I'll bet more non-LDS voted against Gay marriage than LDS members.
Face it, the majority won out on this issue, that's what a democracy is supposed to do; vote on issues and candidates, then move on.
I am a "hetero" and do respect those who chose the Gay lifestyle. My deceased uncle, whom I loved dearly, was my role model as a "Man's Man", was Gay. His surviving partner is an "uncle" to me as much as my blood relation uncles.
But if the populace voted against Gay marriage, lets just move on and deal with it. Let's live the lives we choose and respect one another.
Gays, chill out: the people have spoken and voted against defining Gay people as married.
What will protesting LDS facilities do ?
Will it make it reverse ?
What if it went in favor of the Gay population, would it be right for "heteros" to protest Gay groups and their assemblies ?
What about the other groups, like the Knights of Columbus and anyone else voting against Gay marriage ? I'll bet more non-LDS voted against Gay marriage than LDS members.
Face it, the majority won out on this issue, that's what a democracy is supposed to do; vote on issues and candidates, then move on.
I am a "hetero" and do respect those who chose the Gay lifestyle. My deceased uncle, whom I loved dearly, was my role model as a "Man's Man", was Gay. His surviving partner is an "uncle" to me as much as my blood relation uncles.
But if the populace voted against Gay marriage, lets just move on and deal with it. Let's live the lives we choose and respect one another.
re: Curious | 8:16 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Actually, liberal use of the words: "fetch", "fetchin",
"crud", and "flippin" fit the category of LDS swearing.
"Get a clue", "get real" and "get a life" are phrases chosen to express emotional feelings, rather than well supported thoughts.
"Get a clue", "get real" and "get a life" are phrases chosen to express emotional feelings, rather than well supported thoughts.
Deb | 8:18 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Just because the LDS church has taken a stand on what they beleive doesn't
mean they are bigots or haters of the gay and lesbian world. If they feel that
marriage between man and woman is a sacred thing, why shouldn't they take a
stand? They can love PEOPE without agreeing with them. The country's
definition has always been between male and female. Some beleive it should stay
that way. That's a right.
JW Morrison | 8:20 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The Supreme Court interprets the state constitution and found it lacking so the
people, within their rights, change by amendment, the state constitution. That
is democracy.
In time, the people will vote in favor of gay marriage because the further we get away from faith the more worldly we get. Ultimately, this country will fall to its knees and then watch out.
The Judgement that will follow will surprise the people that think God condones this.
In time, the people will vote in favor of gay marriage because the further we get away from faith the more worldly we get. Ultimately, this country will fall to its knees and then watch out.
The Judgement that will follow will surprise the people that think God condones this.
Laura | 8:20 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
The majority in Massachusetts voted against gay marriage but guess who
reinstated it?...Judges...
How is it that these activist judges can overturn the majority vote?!
How is it that these activist judges can overturn the majority vote?!
Grade school girl | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
What could actually lead a society to extinction? GET REAL....
LOVE | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I come from a very devote Mormon family and I have a brother who is gay.
Because myself and my family are in favor of Prop 8 and for Marriage being
between a man and woman doesn't mean we love our brother any less. So to
those of you who say Mormons are hateful towards gays...well my family and I
disprove that theory. We love our brother dearly and always will. But because
we love him doesn't mean we have to love his lifestyle or agree with it.
And this is not a civil rights issue. I have never seen my brother
discriminated against...last time I checked gays aren't required to sit at
the back of the bus or denied access to restarants. This is a MORAL issue.
Since when is it unlawful for a church to encourage its member to become active
in issues. The church stated its stance but did not tell its members how to
vote. I am guessing there were other churchs who encouraged their members to
vote no on Prop 8. Whats the difference? There isn't any. Protest all
you want but do not harass or vandalized our properties because of our beliefs.
Bert | 8:22 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Boy, there are a LOT of badly educated people here.
We do NOT live in a democracy. The majority does not get to decide everything in this country.
Turn off the TEVO and occasionally crack a book.
We do NOT live in a democracy. The majority does not get to decide everything in this country.
Turn off the TEVO and occasionally crack a book.
Lori Hansen | 8:24 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Be it known that the list of "financial contributors" is a matter of
public record, and you will NOT find a dime from the LDS church. Prop 8 was
approved by a democratic vote of the people--only a minority of which were
LDS--some of whom contributed their own money--just like the opponents did. What
HYPOCRITS to ask for DUE PROCESS and then not accept the outcome which was
passed twice--and NOW are resorting to TERRORISM--my nieces were afraid to go to
church in CA because of the threats to local members. Shame on the extremist gay
protestors who threaten hatred and harm. No one should be threatened because
they have an opposing view. 70% of the Black population voted YES on 8, as well
as over 80% of the Hispanic pop.
Dave | 8:26 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Keep it up, gays. Let your bigotry and hatred come through. That will help the
rest of us toss out any compassion we had for you and solidify our convictions
regarding truth and the sanctity of marriage.
Bert | 8:27 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
To Lets just get along:
If my "hetero" nephew described me as "choosing" the gay lifestyle I'd be ashamed of him.
If my "hetero" nephew described me as "choosing" the gay lifestyle I'd be ashamed of him.
re: Tew | 8:36 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Every time there is a natural disaster, religious people love to attribute it to
divine punishment for something or other. Ask Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson
how well that goes over, because you sound just like them. That's
embarrassing company to keep.
Those who have not been wronged! | 8:37 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
Those who have not been wronged would have us believe, that they have. They are
the hate mongers and the civil disobedient. They are the ones putting life,
limb, livelihood, and property at risk of any who don't agree with them.
They are the ones who claim that rights have been violated when they have not.
The people have spoken in California and other places too. A choice to keep a
fundamental institution in society; in place and sacred.
It is common that the lesser portion of the population will choose that which is wrong. But most of the time the majority will choose what is right.
The great tragedy is the fact that a minority who is not getting their way in a majoritarian government will recruit and exploit corrupt judges to forsake their role as guardians of the law and protectors of the minority into dictators issuing fiats: pressing minority values upon the mjority against their collective will.
Propostition 8 was a victory for the majority to check the endless corruption of our laws by spineless judges and selfish minorities!
It is common that the lesser portion of the population will choose that which is wrong. But most of the time the majority will choose what is right.
The great tragedy is the fact that a minority who is not getting their way in a majoritarian government will recruit and exploit corrupt judges to forsake their role as guardians of the law and protectors of the minority into dictators issuing fiats: pressing minority values upon the mjority against their collective will.
Propostition 8 was a victory for the majority to check the endless corruption of our laws by spineless judges and selfish minorities!
AZ Hetero. | 8:52 p.m. Nov. 15, 2008
I am so glad I'm not gay!! Go Mormons, Prop 8, and Utah!!
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YES, PROP 8 HAD DONORS BUT THE RESULTS OF THIS VOTE IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE DONATIONS!! IT WAS A LOT OF WORK!! Yes, many disagreed with us during the process and we responded with "we respect your position" and then we moved on.
I think the gays are upset that religious people came together for this cause and Prop 8 passed.
I can't emphasize the amount of hours that were donated by MANY PEOPLE of MANY RELIGIONS! So please leave the Mormon Church alone!
P.S. Thank you Elton John for speaking out on "civil partnerships".