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Published: Sunday, Nov. 16 2008 12:00 a.m. MST

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Please explain

to: re J.P. Lambert | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 18, 2008

you said:

You would all be wise to go back and read the history of the LDS church and recognize the irony in the persecuted becoming the persecutors.


Explain how defining marriage to mean a union between one man and one woman is persecution. Now contrast that with being denied the right to vote, going to prison, and having your property confiscated by the government and being driven out of your homes. Then ask yourself has any of this happened to the gays by the hands of the LDS Church. How does defining marriage equate with the LDS forcing their religion on you? On the other hand, gays seek to mold the definition to suit their purposes.

And wo unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord! And their works are in the dark; and they say: Who seeth us, and who knoweth us? And they also say: Surely, your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay. But behold, I will show unto them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I know all their works.

re Please Explain

The LDS church is behind a massive effort to deny basic equality and the right of marriage to the gay community. If that ain't persecution, honey, I don't know what is. You can all cloak yourselves in the flimsy idea that you are exercising freedom of religion, but nobody is fooled. You can quote scripture as well, but your support of the proposition and your comments here are unchristian.

to spinning in his grave comment

Apparently you don't realize Jesus is not in His grave.

John Pack Lambert

Proposition 8 defined marriage as between a man and a woman. This is how God defines marriage. I feel no shame in following the directions of our loving Hevenly Father who knows and understands all.

Attention ignorant person

It most certainly is about losing parental rights. Why don't you do a little research about parental rights in MA where homosexual marriage is now legal. It isn't hard to find. The truth is out there, now go find it before your ignorance is even more obvious.

Anonymous

expat gleefully talks of all the things homosexuals have survived and claims they will continue to do so. Too bad he can't talk to just one homosexual who survived the destruction of Soddam and Gomorrah. Oh wait, there weren't any.

On Domestic Partnership

Prop 8 was not about accepting a domestic partnership registered California validated in Utah. The fight was about the word "marriage." While marriage is typically accepted from one state to another, such is not required. A pastor took a couple across the state lines to marry a couple. When they returned the pastor was arrested for performing a marriage with a minor with intent to return to a state in which such was illegal.

Should domestic partnership be federal? Absolutely, but so long as the battle remains the word "marriage" over civil union/civil partnership/domestic partnership heels are going to be dug in for a fight.

What is most unfortunate is ACT 1 in Arkansas in which unmarried couples are no longer able to foster or adopt when there is a shortage of available parents prior to the vote. Children must now remain in institutions over homes with "Arkansas Families First" throwing kids under the bus because marriage is so sacred and wonderful that they cannot have a home deemed imperfect by religious standards but more than acceptable by social services, physicians, psychologist and other association standards. You sacrificed children for the sanctity of 1 man and 1 woman. SICK

Sraight But Not Narrow

I want to start by saying that I am a straight married women, age 41. I am in complete support of my fellow American's having the exact same rights as myself. It shouldn't make a difference who you are in love with. With all the fear and hate in the world, we as a nation should rejoice that more people want to commit to each other. There is suppose to be a seperation of Church and State!!! If you are a religious organization you have every right to say that you will not perform these ceromonies but as a nation we have to give all Americans equal rights, it is the fair and right thing to do. The gay community are tax paying citizens like the rest of us and deserve every right and opportunity we have. Please don't let your fears and judgement cloud your heart and what is the right thing to support. I look forward to the day I attend my first nationally legal gay marriage. For a country that is so progessive we sure missed the boat on this one. PEACE TO ALL

Sick and tired

Why don't they stop putting all the blame on the LDS church? They weren't the only ones for prop. 8. If you are going to protest against the LDS church for taking a stand then you should go after all the other religions that were for prop. 8 and took a stand for their beliefs.

Anonymous

thank goodness that homosexuals are no longer allowed to adopt in Arkansas. I hope other states join the bandwagon and protect the rights of innocent children who deserve to have a Mother and a Father rather than be raised in a home where sexual pervsion is the norm.

cactus_boy

Re: rvalens2 @ 12:21 a.m.

Just a minute there. It isn't so simple and straightforward (in your favor) as you claim.

It could also be argued that a union between two people of the same sex isn't really marriage at all, by what has been the traditionally accepted meaning of the word. Also, gays CAN get married the same as anybody else, as long as they abide the existing laws (i.e., to a human being, of the opposite sex, who isn't already married to someone else, who isn't an immediate family member, who isn't a first cousin (in about half the states), who is of the age of consent, etc., etc.) These are the same laws that everyone has to follow, therefore there is no unequal treatment.

UnChristian

Mormons posting arguments on here is very Christian. Homosexuality is very unChristian. Christ threw the money changers out of the temple. Just think what he would have done to a bunch of homosexuals having sex with each other in the temple. Oh yeah I guess he did send down the hell fire to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of all the wicked homosexuals. Learn about Christ and the LDS church before you pop off next time. You guys and your ignorance and hate is overwhelming. You are helping our missionary effort though. I guess you antimormons didn't think about that either.

the truth

A week or so before the election, homosexuals sponsored ally week in California. KINDERGARTNERS were given a pledge to sign. Parents were upset and took their kids out of school. The teacher sent home a newsletter saying coming out day was a day to be remembered. She has pictures of same sex couples displayed in her classroom. The TV reporter tried several times to get the state superintendent of schools to answer to question about homosexuality being taught in the schools to young kids. He wouldn't answer even though pressed several times. This was the same man appearing in the no on 8 ads claiming it wouldn't be taught in schools. Google kindergarten, gay pledge, Hayward California and you can find it and even see the news report from the bay area cbs tv station-kpix.

yet another comment

I just wanted to help this commentary reach the 500 mark.

Don't worry same-sex marriage supporters. We Mormons have always believed that the constitution would eventually hang on a thread. Your extreme logic will surely be the road to take it there. Any sane person can see that the government has no business whatsoever stamping its approval on homosexual behavior. But keep up the good work. Maybe the government will officially approval of every form of sin and you can have the world you dream of. I'm just hoping I'm not around to see it.

Anonymous

I find it very comforting to know that as evil is certainly increasing in the world, so it goodness. We've witnessed that in recent days. The righteous will band together to fight evil. The two will become more and more polarized, but thankful to know that good will always ultimately win. It's not who wins the battle but who wins the war. Homosexuals may someday get their way, but it will not last-guaranteed.

Says who?

When did we become a "progressive" Country? I didn't hear of a vote. I thought we were a God fearing country, which is it. Lets vote on that. Learn what "seperation of church and state" really is.

This whole flap is about morals, not marriage! The reason so many people won't let this issue die is because of the moral issue. The question was asked before, IS HOMOSEXUALITY RRIGHT OR WRONG?

Now be Nice

aren't you guys suppose to march too! Back to Missouri?, you better remember how pitiful and misunderstood you were back when as some of these comments are leading to your prophresy of being the most hated..so just show peace while you can!!

Marriage continued

And let me guess,

your next argument is "homosexuality is immoral, the parts don't fit, Adam and Eve vs. Adam and Steve, we listen to a higher voice, yada, yada, yada..."

When are you people going to have a solid argument about running a clean campaign?

If you are so about morality, as you claim you are... why is the campaign so much filled with --- yeesh --- these are religious people?

I think Nathaniel Hawthorne had something to say about that --- he called it hypocrisy.

And Arthur Miller too --- blaming others, finding a scapegoat when things don't go right --- find a scapegoat, yep, the gays are to blame --- if society comes crumbling down.

Mccleod

I think it's hilarious when some guy downtown with a "Stop the H8" sign, yells in your face and then tries to punch you. Heheh.
Really pretty hard to be scared of them though.

About public relations

You guys are kidding when you say that the gays are making the LDS Church look good, right?

It's a joke, right?

Or do you have your PR people posting comments left and right to deny everything.

Next thing I will be seeing are charts and graphs to show PR's campaign showing the Church's PR going through the roof.

For the record ---

* 47% of California people voted against Prop. 8 How do you think they view the LDS Church right now?

* You just made 18,000 gay couples question the validity of their own marriages. Do you foresee any of them ever thinking twice about receiving LDS indoctrination into their home?

* Marches and public shows of protest are being done across the country, mind you, not just California and Utah --- across the country --- How do you think some of them feel about the LDS involvement in the campaign --- and, please, spare me that 'The LDS Church was not directly involved.' Plwlease.

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