Comments about ‘Hundreds take to S.L. streets to protest, support Prop. 8 ban on gay marriage’

To Becki,
If you were really for fairness, you would be after the most glaringly unfair laws around. These are the laws that make it a crime for a man to recognize and support more than one woman as his wife, but if he sleeps around and takes no responsibility for his additional children, it is perfectly legal.
I would believe the argument these people believe one should be able to marry whoever they love if they were seeking to decriminalize plural marriage. Since they are not doing so, I have to conclude that there is really some other agenda, and that people are being disengenous about their theories about living together.
The government has an interest in kepping child rearing in the bounds of matrimony.

The most negative comments regarding sexual orientation I have ever heard come from people who would claim to be "enlightened". It comes from church members who are at least dangerously close to accepting the redefinition of the family, and get mad when you speak for the core support of the family. Yet they see nothing wrong with making comments that are at least border line hurtful implysing that the reason someone is 29 and unmarried may be that he has sexual orientation issues.
It is these people who have taken too much of their learning from the world and too little from the scriptures who make such comments. It is not people who have learned to see things through God's eyes, or even started to move towards such an understanding. They may be members of the church in name, and show up to church regularly, but they have clearly failed to let the teachings of Christ cause them to have a new attitude towards their fellow beings.

I'm straight, but most all gay people that I know believe that Mormons are Christians. You cannot say this about the Mormon allies in California. They think Mormons are NOT Christians. There is no hate for the LDS Church, only a lot of anger at the church getting involved in California politics.

I think many Mormons believe that crusade was ill-advised.

The LDS church once again has violated the separation between church and state. It should lose its tax-exempt status. It is time that the theocracy ends.

The Deseret News needs to remember that it has a unique mission. That is to defend the history, doctrine and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
It appears to me that whenever the Deseret News covers the debate conserning the homosexual rights movement, it is editorially more sympathetic towards the gay-rights movement than the LDS Church. Joe Cannon needs to re-examine the overall editorial policy of the Deseret News and its place in regards to the Church that it is to defend.
Thank-You

The people voted. You lost, get over it!! And do you really think if we voted on a marriage between a man and a woman that it would not win. What cloud is your head in.

To redefine marriage to include Gay couples is making the claim that both unions are equal when they are not. Nature's design of our bodies endorses marriage between a man and a woman - not a man and a man nor a woman and a woman. Marriage between two people of the same gender cannot equate to the potential of marriage between a man and a woman - not by man's design but by nature's design. It's really quite simple. Proposition 8 sustained an ideal that has sustained humanity for thousands of years since its inception. Could Gay marriage on its own have done that? How then can we responsibly as a society claim that both are equal when they are not. Proposition 8 wasn't a derogatory statement against anyone nor any group. It simply supported the obvious facts of life.

I thought the mission of a newspaper is to report the news. If you feel upset that this newspaper's reporting covers both sides of a story, that merely reflects your own religious bias. Do not expect the media, even in a peculiar state like Utah, to only side with the mormons. Try, just a little bit, to be more realistic and maybe even, ummm, fair?

While some folks may never change their minds ---

Point in fact --- some people today hold on sexist beliefs that date them clear back to the 50s --- and they still cling on to them in the name "of tradition."

There are, however, points to be made and discussions to be had. I say, let all the discussion on the table, allow for "some people" to re-visit the issue and some will undoubtedly change positions, one way or the other --

You cannot negate the fact that like it or not, society has become less homophobic. Example, many businesses now have "orientation" as a cause of harassment where that would not have happened ten or fifteen years ago.

So there is more discussion to be had. If we allow for discussions to cease, there will be growth in understanding. Clearly, by reading some of these entries, I can see people being "out of touch" on both sides --- some are out of touch about LDS theology --- others are out of touch of what it means to be LGBT identity. You do not have to accept any ideology, but being an informed citizen allows people to vote wisely.

While millions of parents sat home with their children helping them with their homework and teaching them correct principles.

Gays boycott Utah... "Let's get the Film Festival." Nail those liberals in Park City. Do we really want a trade war? If the Prop 8 people are as mean spirited as the gay activists think.... shouldn't a minority worry about a boycott of the theatre, dance, and restaurant businesses in which they work and own?

Thank you--a voice of reason.

Mormons are the victimizers in this--not the victims.

Please look at your views and values with LOVE. When i see love i know it's of God. i don't need a church leader or anyone else to tell me what love is or what God accepts. if you're not sure--let people be and let God judge.

from a Mormon who beleieves in a God of LOVE

This is not a "civil rights" issue and this is why black Californians who voted for Obama did not vote in favor of your gay agenda. The fact is, civil unions afford homosexuals the same rights, but the gay agenda wants more. The reason you attack the sacredness of marriage is because you want to influence Moral Perceptions! Marriage historically is based on procreation and the progenity of the human race, not an effort to discriminate. Gays must not sit in the back of the bus. Gays are not barred from a whites only restroom or the right to vote. Gays have the right to live (thanks to the natural act of heterosexuality). Gays have the right to liberty and PURSUIT of happiness. What other civil right is anyone else entitled to above and beyond???

True...seperation of church/state but not God and state. You will not legislate morality.

The arguments that churches shouldn't be involved in this discussion is shallow. Marriage has been been only between a man and a woman for centuries. To change that institution is to produce a whole set of consequences of which many are unintended. Civil unions give all the rights, privileges and honors afforded heterosexual marriage...without the name. It's not wrong for people to oppose what they view seriously as a change that would hugely impact family and social structure in such a way as to take the rights of parents to teach their values to their children. This whole issue is one of the government choosing to engage in social engineering according to their values. Courts, mayors, governors and city councils should listen to the voice of the people. Since the people have spoken twice in California then it's time to ponder and act not protest.

While I would not go as far as Mr. Holbrooke did, especially since often the Deseret News is publishing articles from other sources, verbatim, to give us a feel for what is occuring on the outside, I do feel that at times Deseret News reporters need to think more deeply on wording before writting articles and explore the assumptions and impressions language makes.
This was not an issue about making anything illegal as normally understood. If something is illegal, you can be fined or jailed for it. Nothing of the sort results from same-gender unions under Prop 8, they merely do not recieve the government endorsement accorded to marriage.
I would point out though that since the Deseret News is owned by the LDS Church, the 12:44 commentator misses the point. The issue is not what position should be taken by a paper published in Utah, but what position should be taken by a paper owned by the LDS Church. You have to start with an understanding of the discussion and issues to ever reach a consensus.

Hundreeds protested? Yah--this movement is dying--we have much more important issues to be dealing with--the people voted, so let it be written--so let it be done. Two more words: NUFF SAID!

How about you quit protesting a legal, democratic vote and go back to California and hand out blankets and food to the firemen fighting to save your homes.

Just an idea.

You sorely underestimate LDS doctrine if you think members of this church regret the stance our leaders have taken. The gay agenda is trying to open up a can of worms which will inevitably affect Christian doctrine and our right to preach it. Gay marriage is NOT the end goal. Legitimizing the false morality of homosexuality is the end goal. Making all accept it and be "tolerant" is their end goal. Redefining the sacred institution of marriage is a kingpin.

We don't care if other religions view us as Christian or not. That is altogether a different subject, but all religions who appreciate the promulgation of the human race will stand with us on this.

Being tolerant of every human whim is to take a stand on NOTHING. When it comes to the obvious opinion of our Creator found in the Bible...I will side with Him on this issue. I will also be an advocate for Him on this issue.

Richard G! Is the Mormon church the only one that was for Prop 8???

Since the LDS church didn't donate, but individual LDS people did, I'm curious how the "80% of the funding" figure was arrived at.