Comments about ‘Prop. 8 foes file complaint against LDS’

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Published: Friday, Nov. 14 2008 10:36 a.m. MST

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These people

are seriously like little children throwing a temper tantrum.

Get over it, you lost. If you want to blame someone, blame Barack Obama for bring out the black voters in high numbers who voted FOR Prop 8 70% to 30% against.

Also the latin vote that voted in favor 54% to 46% against.

Go protest those groups and focus your attention on what really caused the proposition to pass, better yet, just accept the fact that more Californian's wanted it passed than didn't.

1Observer

It would seem that free speech and tolerance is a one way street for the Prop 8 foes. They are exposing themselves for what they are.

uncannygunman

Nobody is saying the church can't have its own opinions. However, the church does need to 1) follow election laws, 2) comply with the requirements of its tax-exempt status, and 3) accept that being a religion doesn't prevent others from judging it based on the decisions it makes.

@uncannygunman

Your correct. However can you detail even 1 example where a law was broken ? (Pro Tip: Supporting an issue, and urging or even telling your members to do so and suggesting that members should donate time / money to the issue breaks neither election laws nor invalidates its tax exempt status )

Didn't think so.

Davesocal

How does the 'gay community' get over being relegated to status of second class citizens. The passing of Prop 8 by a narrow margin, after a Mormon-funded campaign of lies, fearmongering and outright bigotry, was a hollow victory. I personally will not rest until Prop 8 is thrown onto the scrapheap of history like so many prejudical laws that have blighted our past.

Geezer

Prop 8 will be a short-lived law. Trying to hold back civil rights is mug's game.

madison

to: Davesocal

the gay community is not being considered second class. marriage is a man and a woman, thats what the definition is. you can no more continue to claim the can marry each other than you can claim a woman can marry a married man. it is not illegal for them to sleep together, it is just not considered marriage.

Jdude

The only right Prop 8 took away was the 'right' to call it a marriage - California offers domestic partnerships which gives the same rights as 'married' couples.
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.

Jdude

The only 'right' Prop 8 took away was the 'right' to call it a marriage. California offers domestic partnerships that give the same rights as married couples.
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.

Zonal

Hey "These People", the only reason Californians voted for it was because fell for the lies spewed by your church.

Get over it.

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Anonymous

I pay taxes your church does not!!!! Stay out of my government and I'll stay out of your church.

U.S. or Iran ?

This is America. Who cares if two adults chose to get married? We are not a theocracy like Iran, and if this country had been founded as such, the LDS church would have been stamped out of existence last century. In a society with reality TV marriages and chapel drive-thoughs, is it really a big deal if a same-sex couple weds? It seems the LDS church learned the wrong lesson on their way westward.

Understand the constitution

Geezer marriage is not a civil right. Under the constitution marriage rights are defined by state law. Prop 8 may be short lived but that decision should be determined by the legislative process in California. I just hope it is not influenced my the intimidation tactics that are currently being deployed, which are wrong and unamerican.

whatsinaname

Prop 8 doesn't prohibit behavior, access, or rights. It defines a term. Marriage, between a man and a woman. This is not in any way related to civil rights in the 1960's. At that time the laws limited access and rights. Prop 8 is not limiting rights, it is not preventing gays from living and being together. Prop 8 doesn't even to attempt to limit the lifestyles of gays. We should call it what it is, gay unions. I would argue that giving gay unions the same tax exemptions and powers of attorney that the law provides for married couples is not an objection. The church objects to calling something like marriage between a man and a woman the same as between and man and a man, or woman and a woman. We need to define marriage and gay unions and not try to classify them as the same.

Athena

Oh for HEAVEN'S SAKE!

Anti-Prop 8 people, get over yourselves! You lost, ACCEPT THAT. If you really are as politically correct as you say you are, WHY DON'T YOU GROW UP?

Brian

There were no rights taken away. Every man still has the right to marry any woman who is of age and consents to the marriage. The same goes for a woman desiring to marry a man. Prop 8 did not destroy any "rights" and this is not an issue of "equal rights." Equal rights means having rights that are equal. I have the right, as a man, to marry any consenting of-age woman I want. The same goes for any man in California. Our rights are equal.

Nothing But The Truth...

Elder L. Whitney Clayton, a California attorney and member of the church's Presidency of the Seventy should check with his superiors. As reported by the AP, "Campaign finance records show the Utah-based LDS Church has made its first financial contribution in support of a Nov. 4 ballot proposition that would ban same-sex marriage in California.
The in-kind donation of $2,078.97 from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was made on Oct. 25 to ProtectMarriage.com, a coalition of faith organizations and conservative groups supporting Proposition 8."

They made another contribution for almost the same amount a few days before the election. To say they didn't contribute is simply false. Is there a communication breakdown here, backpeddling, or a flat out attempt to cover the facts?

Prop 8 would not have even made it to the ballot without the support of the Church.

Right

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does things on the up and up. They are sagely thorough in staying within their bounds.

Anonymous

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints should also file a formal complaint with California elections officials, alleging the L. A. Gay & Lesbian Center failed to detail and report "non-monetary contributions" to the campaign

The L. A. Gay & Lesbian Center was the Headquarters of No on Prop 8, organized phone banks, sent direct mail to voters, used the L. A. Gay & Lesbian Center website to send news releases to non-members, distributed thousands of lawn signs and produced commercials opposing Prop. 8.

The L. A. Gay & Lesbian Center also:

Walked precincts.
Ran a speakers bureau.
Organized a "surge to election day."
Set up Web sites

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