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georgia | 9:30 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.

JS | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done

To Fearful or Angry Mormons: | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Remember Whose battle this is and by Whose principles we have agreed to fight.

"And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another . . . [and] the time cometh speedily that Satan shall have no more power over the hearts of the children of men . . ." Read the whole thing in 1 Nephi 22.

See also 3 Nephi 20, particularly the phrase: "And behold, I am he who doeth it."

We we only jeopardize what we care most about by accusing without evidence, getting fed up, or using the enemy's tactics in any way, and they are many. Some gays hate the Church, some don't. Some evangelicals hate it, some don't. Some politicians and their followers hate it, some don't. Let's focus not on people or groups but on actions-- especially our own. Support the good not only in precept (thanks, Prop8 supporters) but in manner, tone and conduct. Then the victory will be Lord's victory, by His rules and in His due time. It may include many whom we thought it might not. Let's behave in such a way that it will include us.

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To goodvsevil: | 8:53 a.m. Nov. | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Since when are traditional values extreme?? Traditional values are the anchor of society. It's the world's values that are extreme and they change with the wind.

Hmmmm | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I agree with 'ohmygoodness'. We don't need terrorists or toher countries. we're going to destroy ourselves & our neighbors with all the hate. Can't we just all get along? What happened to love thy neighbor? Black, white, gay, straight, catholic, mormon? There is too much hate in the world

Chris Plummer RE: THE AUTHORITY | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

you are falling into the trap of making blanket statements about 10s of 1000's of people by the actions of a few.
You shouldn't judge a group of people by the actions a few bad apples.
I won't judge Mormons by the comments I read on the Deseret News forums, because if I did I would be a real hater. I judge people as individuals and by their individual actions.

Crazy | 9:47 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I wonder what type of protest would happen if you took peoples guns away. If you take a right away they people protest. Yes the CA constitution before prop 8 gave them the right so yes their right was taken away. Whether right or wrong, you supported the taking away of rights. Plain and simple.

As for respecting traditional marriage--70% end in divorce. Nobody respects marriage. I guess polygamy was respecting marriage as well. Why don't we spend time and money on preventing divorce. Such hypocritics.

Confused. | 9:55 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Isn't saying Gay Lesbian, as in GLBT, redundant? Maybe I need clarification on these acronyms.

Wendy | 9:57 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

The best thing we can do is continue to live our lives in a productive, happy, law-abiding way as we have, regardless of the angry voices that condemn us. Let us be loving and courteous to all, remembering we are God's children. Some may hate us, but at the top of the list of all beatitudes is found: "Blessed are the peacemakers." I hope all who live as LDS can be termed as peacemakers.

Right | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I am not surprised at this news. And I would not be surprised if the president of the LDS church has gotten many death threats over this. What these people do is hateful and I have the freedom of speech (at least for now) to say so. Political correctness (which is on the side of Prop8 protestors) can't silence me. I'm sure that calling what they do as hateful will not silence them. They are tenacious with a capital "T" and they won't rest until the ACLU helps them get their way.

To Utah Cougar | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I agree with you 100 percent! Only good can come from this, just have to have faith!

re: Richard Adams | 9:22 a.m. | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Boycotting and picketing are one thing, but when you said "the LDS has brought this upon themselves" you weren't seriously condoning illegal hacking and vandalism, were you?

Common Sense | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Equating Gay rights to the civil rights movement and using Rosa Parks as an example is not only a giant stretch but is insulting to the black community and the injustices they faced.

In no way, shape, or form can any gay man or woman say they are discriminated against in any way that can be comparable. In fact the vast majority of Americans want to accommidate gays as much as possible. However, with anyone and anything, the line has to be drawn somewhere. There has to be boundaries, that is a key component to any successful society. Marriage, as a government endorsed institution, is seen as bettering society in that it promotes societies healthy growth. If there were no benefits to society there would be no reason to endorse it or to set guidelines for it.

No civil right is being violated with the passing of prop 8. Any person can get married in California (that is their equal right), but only under the provided definition of marriage. I'm sorry that it doesn't work out for their chosen lifestyle.

Anonymous | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

The gay community wants support, so what do they do? Put up gay porn. What a way to win supporters!

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DOTF | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Practice What GOD Preaches wrote: "What part of Leviticus 18:22 don't you understand?! And after reading that try Lev. 20:30, or maybe Gen. 19:1-11, or why not Rom 1:27, and possibly Jude 1:7 too. ANY church that performs or approves same-sex marriage CLEARLY hasn't read their Bible."

Lev. 20:30 should be Lev. 20:13 and thank you for the references. They are very clear and plain. I think more GL supporters should read them and understand that this lifestyle is not acceptable to God and is not appropriate for a Christian to support or live. Any Christian church that performs same-sex marriages and/or supports this lifestyle isn't Christian. Again, thanks.

nobody important | 10:22 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

good for you Richard, let me know how that works out for you.

re: Richard Adams | 10:30 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Hey no skin off my nose. I've always boycotted all the gay establishments my entire life. But I know your little boycott won't last forever. There's no way you'll be able to hold out for long when you start craving those Burger King Triple Whoppers with cheese or a Double Croissonwich (a favorite of the gay community). You know you want one. You're getting weaker...weaker...cravings...too strong...can't...hold out...much longer.......

Matt | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Why do gays seem to oppose the democratic process? Prop 8 was submitted before the California public and the majority voted FOR it, so it passed into law. This is how it works. Why picket and target the LDS church when it was the majority of CALIFORNIANS who voted for it? This is how democracy works, the majority decides and in this case they did.

Hang on tight! | 10:34 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

It's going to be a bumpy road from here to eternity!

washcomom | 10:35 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Hang on tight! It's going to be a bumpy road from here to Eternity!

RE: Crazy | 10:37 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Well, Crazy, since according to you "Nobody respects marriage" why does anyone care what the definition of marriage is?
Do your research and you will see that, at least the LDS Church, spends significant time and money on trying to prevent divorce.
In the future you may want to think about educating yourself on the issues before boldly diving into a forum with faulty arguments that lead to false conclusions.

Not alone... | 10:41 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

ALL religious websites, no matter what their denomination or the message they have, receive hate email. (You should read some of things written by so called "Christians" and sent to ReligiousTolerance - which is a Christian site.)

Posting pornographic materials, however, totally uncalled for. (May I suggest a better security system?)

@ jessicasmith | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Umm - "gay bashing" does not mean what you use it to mean.

"Gay bashing" means attacking - verbally, physically, spiritually, etc. - gays.

What you are talking about is either "bashing by gays" or "Mormon bashing."

None of the above should be acceptable.

@ Confused 9:55 | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

"Gay" can refer to either a man who likes men or a woman who likes women. It is often distinguished by using the term "gay man." "Lesbian" refers only to a woman who likes women. When the two terms are used together - as in Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender - "Gay" is taken to refer to men and "Lesbian" is taken to refer to women. If the term "Gay" is used by itself, it is meant to refer to both men and women.

Hope this clarifies things a little.

Stop the insansity | 10:49 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

If you were against Prop 8, please ask your fellow supporters to stop these activities and abide by the law.

ImJudgemental | 10:52 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Lionheart | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008
If I were a member of the LDS church, I would be proud to be the object of scorn from the homosexual community. Onward Christian Soldiers.

Very funny Lionheart. That's what I think. I'm proud to be the object of scorn on this unhappy community or eco-terrorists and moral bigots.

Listen, if I viewed child porn and thought it acceptable, I can put into the minds of others that it's okay until 10 years down the road some judge declares child pornography as acceptable. It's not that different folks, we need to love those who've made wrong choices, but we don't teach our children that they SHOULD make those choices.

Nellie | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I just hope that we in the LDS community can reach and maintain a high road rather than do the easy thing and return eye for eye and bash for bash.

Fruits | 11:20 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

By their fruits ye shall know them....

Not Concerned | 11:33 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Seriously? Does the gay community really think they can do anything to the Mormons that hasn't already been done over the past 150 years? It's almost like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum because they have to go to bed. So, get all your 3-year old friends together and take all the reason and logic out of your argument and just make it about hate and anger. Why do you feel this way? Because you are acting in contrary to laws that have governed the universe since it's creation. So, to the 3-6% of you who think your temper tantrum has even been given an afterthought you are wrong. I now look upon your position with even less credibility than before. So, good luck with the hate and anger, I'll stay posted. And in 2 months when the only press your getting is a Jay Leno joke remember you could actually be making a difference in society. Become a gym teacher, design some clothes, decorate a room, host a talk show. Just try and contribute to the human race, and make sure if you do a parade to pick up after yourselves.

Victor Randazzo | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

WHAT is the F.B.I DOING about all the HATE towards our members.

Anonymous | 11:56 a.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Would someone please reference the part of the Constitution that guarantees someone the right to marry whomever they wish? I didn't learn about that one in school, but somehow Anonymous thinks that someone's rights and equality are being stomped on.

This is a democracy and it has spoken. It may change, but for now the voice of the people (they are the ones who voted after all) has been heard.

NigelUk | 12:08 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I am very sorry that people would attack in such crude ways. That said, actions have consequences and going to war over the simple of right to marry and honor a relation between two people is going to have a response. The LDS church spent millions of dollars and campaigned actively to pass prop 8. It did everything it could influence the vote. It must not surprised by the response.
Meridian is a very right wing, Mormon site. It has every right to be what it is, but it too must not be surprised when people strongly disagree with it.
Mormons are always surprised when they are not viewed as benvolent, kind, upstanding folk.
It will take years to repair the view that the LDS church is bigoted and discriminating. This is the same thing we saw in the 60's and much of the rhetoric on both sides resembles the fight against denying the priesthood to black men.
Both sides need to pray for each other.

Elaine W | 12:10 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Are you aware that tomorrow is National God Out Day. Prop. 8 is now being used by athests and others as another reason to beat up on Christians. Because we voiced our opinion and exercised our rights as citizens. Because we objected to the Government sticking its nose into what is basically Church business. With judges making law from the bench, we have lost the will of the people. Here in California we had 4 judges make law from the bench based on nothing. Prop. 8 was the People of California stating their will again. There is no base for the judges to over turn Prop. 22. The passage of Prop. 8 is a statement of the People's Will. The passage of Prop. 8 is protection for Churchs who do not want to preform same sex marriages. If Prop. 8 had failed anyone who doesn't want to do business with a gay couple would be forced to. People all over the U.S. are being forced to act against their beliefs. We as Christians are losing our rights of association.

Anon | 12:13 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Filth is going to make Christians 'bend the rules' for people acting hatefully and sinfully - Now I get it!

Simple Honesty | 12:41 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

It's unfortunate that the horrible behavior of a few people (on both sides of this issue) is being portrayed as the "entire" group. There are MANY people who believe that you can feel strongly about an issue and have the constitutional right to express those believes without disrespecting another. People should remember that the horrible behavior of a small handful of people, does not necessarily reflect the entire group.

GAY leaders | 12:51 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

If these acts were supported or condoned by the fringe extreme portion of the gay community, then where are the reasonable/regular gay community leaders calling out such hateful religiosly bigotry and calling for a return to civility. Take it to the courts. Speak out but also speak out against hate crime. Religious bigotry is the new racism in this country....

Conservatives vote but extreme liberals picket, vandalize, terrorize and put bumper stickers on their cars...Where is all the picketing in the almost 40 states that have a similar item in their state laws which recognize marriage as an institution between a man and a woman? Day by day the cause of homosexuality loses credibility and advocates with its inability to speak out against true hate and not the "perceived hate" that they claim because the majority pass a law.

I actually love gay people but they can't redefine the dictionary. A horse is a horse no matter how much you want it to be a cow.

Adam | 12:51 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

President Hinkley said at one of his last general conferences that persecution "WILL INCREASE". A prophet of God has spoken it and it is coming to pass. I'm afraid this is just the beginning. Persecution in time, may match or likely surpass what the pioneers suffered.

realitycheck | 12:53 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

what do you people expect when you butt into peoples lives and push your rediculous religious agenda on others? perhaps if you would stop forcing your beliefs on the rest of the population then you wouldn't have these problems.

And Elaine W 12:10pm - Prop 8 wasn't the People of California stating their will. It was the result of the mormon church sticking it's nose into everyone else's business. If you people hadn't spent $20Mil on bogus ads full of untruths the prop would never have passed. I thought lying was against your religion, but I guess you all get to pick and choose. Sounds like you are all FLDS....

By the way - I'm not gay - but when my neighbor, an inter-racial couple that couldn't have married 50 yrs ago, has a sign in their yard for yes on 8 - then there is too much religion and not enough consideration of the rights of others. I'm still suprised that people of color, who's rights were denied for centuries, would vote based on their religion rather than their experience.

Read Georgia's Comment | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

At 9:30 am Georgia wrote:

The gay/lesbian community is trying to make themselves a strong voting bloc by raising up new "converts" to their movement. Why do most gay people "find out" they are gay when they are young...because they are impressionable. This is why the gay community targets grade schools, universities and colleges. This was quite apparent when I lived in Massachusetts. I have yet to read one headline about gay pride day at the senior citizen center. The more converts they can get, the stronger voting bloc they are, the more political power on society they can affect.
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She is absolutely right! The #! contributor to the No on 8 campaign was the California Teachers Association! They want to push gay and lesbian agenda. Poor children, they are the casualties in this battle.

The LDS church is right to defend the interest of the children.

RE: NigelUK | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Lets clarify as this has been a myth that has been propagated by the anti-prop 8 crowd. The LDS Church spent exactly 0 dollars of the churches money on anything related to the passage prop 8.

People who happen to be members of the LDS Church donated time and money to the cause of campaigning for, and the passing of Prop 8. So did Catholics, Jews, blacks, Hispanic, etc, etc.

SLC Citizen | 1:08 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

Just prior to the Election, the No on 8's website was also hacked and went down for some time. Both sides are guilty, and Meridian Magazine has printed some pretty anti-gay stuff over the years, so they are not completely above the fray either.

re 1pm poster to Nigel | 1:31 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

you just lied. i'm curious -how does it feel when a person full of religion lies?

millions of "church" dollars were spent to pass prop 8. it may not have directly flown through the church, but your leadership told all mormons to donate - so it's the same thing.

you can twist it if you feel better, but it's still a lie. hope you're proud of yourself.

To Realitycheck (part 2) | 1:45 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

The Gay community obviously doesn't have the same moral system and they do not see their lives or the education of children about gay sex as immoral. They view the right to marry as a civil right and many have the very narrow-minded perspective that redefining marriage will not damage our society or infringe on the rights of others. They do not see that already citizens are being legally forced to condone homosexuality and there is a clash between religious and civil liberties. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and parental rights are all on the line here.

I would hope that you could look at both sides of the issue.

Oregonian | 1:58 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I will eat at Outback Steakhouse for dinner.
Thanks for your suggestion!

Craig | 2:16 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

The ninth ammendment to the US Constitution states,"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution which are still retained by the people are referred to as unenumerated. One question seems to be is the right to marry whomever you want, including someone of the same sex, one of these unenumerated rights. The second question is does the state have to recognize every marriage that is performed just because the pariticipants say it is a marriage. I believe the answer to the first question is yes and the answer to the second is no. In other words you have the right to participate in whatever ceremony you chose to create a civil or spiritual contract between you, your partner and whatever God you worship, but you do not have the right to force the state (i.e. the people) to recognize that ceremony as a legitimate marriage.

porky | 2:44 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

the next time some disaster happens and Mormons hand out food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits, or volunteer personal time to clean up damaged homes and cities do you think they ask a persons sexual orientation before providing those things? NO!

if, due to a disaster, a homosexual found themselves in need of food, water, blankets, hygiene & sanitation kits or needing help to clean up damaged hones and cities do you think they'll refuse that aid because it came from Mormons? Hmmmm, that will be interesting to see.

Wrong... | 2:55 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

@ Susie Q:

The difference in picketing is the "when" factor. Do you see John McCain on the street corner holding a McCain-Palin sign still? How bout any commercials? The difference is are you doing it before or after the election?

Hold your signs, get excited and voice your opinion on Nov. 4th, after that, live with the results and fight the next time it comes up again...

A Right? | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

If you have to get a license for it, then it is not a right. If you have to get a license for it, then the government has asserted the power to regulate. Marriage is not a right. It is regulated. The Edmunds-Tucker act, as upheld by the US Supreme Court, affirms that the government may determine which types of marriages are acceptable. This issue was over in the late 1800s folks.

RE: jessicasmith | 3:18 p.m. Nov. 14, 2008

I couldn't agree with you more. I am not saying it is the LGBT community doing it, but who else is it, it is either the community or people who believe in same-sex marriage and disagree with Prop. 8. I just think it is too bad that all this has to happen. Whether Mormon, Catholic, or whatever religion, we have the right to push for something we believe in and we did, we won fair and square, we won the votes, so therefore there is no more to be discussed or protested over.

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