No evidence to link threats to Prop. 8 opponents, FBI says
Yes, this should be charged as a terrorist act.
this is why we need to all try to be better each day. follow the words of the
prophet. love one another. pray for our enemies. and strive to better people
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To Anonymous 10:11: I guess we did get just what we deserved. I guess trying
to live righteous lives, sending out humanitarian help around the world,
standing up for truth, giving countless hours of service, helping people who are
victims of hurricanes and other disasters and serving God's children everywhere
is a good reason for us to receive all kinds of persecution. I can see that
you're right about that.
RE: DEBBIE, Nothing has just began, this has been going on since the beginning
of the formation of the LDS church. Why don't You go read church history? There
is nothing new here going on that didn't happen in Joseph Smith's and B.Young's
time... You maketh NO SENSE!The authorities will investigate these
hate crimes and hopefully, as well learn the truth of the matter and find and
arrest the perpetrators.
Too "Robert Oh | 6:30 p.m.", who says this doesn't pass his "Smell Test"
(because he thinks all mail is opened at church headquarters)...How
does your "smell test" explain the same letter with the same content going to
the LA Temple and a Catholic church all the same day? Still think it's just
some made up story by someone in the SLC Temple or Utah media?
So, I think it should be made clear that despite what you've been told. There is
no gay headquarters, there is no association of which all gay people belong to.
There is no organized plot to assault or harm any Mormon person or interest. If
these are being carried out by any member of the GLBT community, they act on
their own and without any sanctioning by anyone other than themselves.
Let the FBI look at what it is and make an assessment. Remember what they say
about trying to "Assume" anything! Break it down.
This is why we all need the Quest for Perfection. Everyone - lets try to be a
little better each day.
This is not terrorism, because it is not directed towards the government. (I
think that is the distinction, but I am not sure.)It is, however, a
hate crime.Since the mail is being used to deliver the envelopes, it is a
federal offense.The person (or persons) doing this no more
represents the majority of gay rights supporters than a bad Mormon represents
Would anyone really mind if CA fell into the ocean?
Great. The hate coming from the no on 8 people have brought the unstable out of
the closet. Nonetheless, this is a hate crime or ethnoviolence, targeting one
religious group. It is clear that the LDS church was a target. If
the current hate crimes, vandalism and mail crimes were reversed there would be
screams of bigotry and hate crimes.
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1st of all, any investigating authority SHOULD suspect a connection. Stupid NOT
to investigate that first.2cd: receive ALL mail elsewhere, so it doesn't
shut down the Temples, which is exactly what is desired by whomever mailed those
letters. It is not that much trouble to divert all mail to an office in
What I say, I say for a different reason, and that is that the Mormons got what
The civil rights movement had Black Panther, and other violence motivated
groups, but does that diminish the acts of Dr. Martin Luther King, or Rosa
Parks? Violence is wrong in any form, but not everyone is that way.
And for those that call a protest a riot... your are wrong too. One of the most
fundamental principals is our right to protest.
This is just some coincidence that people used to blame on the gay people. They
knew if they used this opportunity now, the first group of people that would get
pointed at would be the gay people. I say leave the gays alone, and until they
are proven guilty, what have they done to you?
As some of the comments have said. There is nothing that says specifically that
this is realted to the gay marriage supporters. This statement may be true,
however, if the gays and gay supporters don't want to be linked through
assumptions, then they should stop assaulting people, and vandelizing property,
and using vulgar langauge toward prop 8 supporters. then they wouldn't be
You have brought this on yourselves. Stop blaming others. Stop using the law to
persecuting and oppressing people who believe differently than you.
No one wants the protections that homosexual couples currently have under family
code section 297.5 taken away. It clearly states they have the same rights as a
spouse. A poll taken before the election asked if people were yes
or no on prop 8. Most said no. This same polling group then asked do you
approve or disapprove of homosexual marriage. Most said they disapprove.
Interesting when asked in plain English, how they responded.
Who would benefit from releasing their hate against the church and their hate
against the homosexual community? I beleive there are horribly vehement groups
that are already protesting both. Some groups that don't like the LDS church
because they don't protest enough against homosexuality.Collect the
evidence make sure the authorities take it seriously and not stay "politically
correct" but honest.Truth is important in this situation before any
other acts are taken. Also the current environment that allows attack of the
Mormon church or other religion needs to be stopped and prosecuted.Mormons have always had persecution and it seems there is always a turning of
the heads by many entities.
I think it was Bin Laden.
Some of the comments made here I feel are a bit off base, but I do think it's
important for protest and have their say. The problem as I see it is, the vote
didn't go the way the gay community wanted. However, there was a vote. The vote
was by the people, and for the people. It was a democratic process. People from
Utah, Arizona, and other locations didn't cross state lines and cast a ballot.
Money may have come from outside CA, but that happens in nearly every
election.However, I don't feel this is over. I think another
proposition similar to Prop 8 will emerge in CA and people will vote yet again
on it. The gay community will push this process until they finally get the
results they want. I'm not familiar with CA law, but how many times can they put
this proposition up? Has the Church done anything to help protect
the missionaries from any sort of threats or violence? Seems things might be
headed that way. Let's pray it doesn't come to that.
Even if this was an individual who supported Gay Rights and was outraged, this
is not the thinking of good decent people who are just fighting for what they
believe is equality. This/these individuals who committed this act are people
who hate and have only one thing on their minds, feed the fire. I may not agree
with giving marriage rights to gays but that does not mean they are bad people.
Whether it be this issue or another, someone is always evil enough to drive a
wedge between the groups who choose to disagree. And as a Soldier, I fight for
those rights, equality for everyone, not just one group or person.
To Quiet: I certainly hope your blog was intended to be sarcastic.
This is not the first time that followers of Christ have suffered for their
beleifs! The Lord honors those who honors Him! This is just one of the affects
of taking up you corss and following the Savior! It was never easy for Him and
it will never be easy for us. but the least we can do is still love our brothers
and sisters! we abhor sin but not the sinner! we are all sinners and need each
Ok, so there's no evidence to prove that it was regarding prop 8, except that
the envelopes were sent to the LDS Church and the Knights of Columbus (was that
it?) another group that supported prop 8. Add to all this the facts that LDS
temple gates in LA were vandalized with some graffiti by protesters of prop 8,
and that the same group is threatening a boycott of Utah over it, and that
people on these forums, from other prop 8-related articles, suggest The Church
is getting what it deserves (really? vandalism is what we deserve?), does
suggest that this is prop 8-related. However, it could be someone trying to
make prop 8 opponents look bad, we don't know. My guess is that it's from a
prop 8 opponent.
It's unfair for some of the posters here to paint the whole gay community as
being behind this despicable act. The majority of gay people are no more
terrorist than all christians are murderers because one christian fanatic shoots
a doctor at an abortion clinic.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? My husband and I agree; it sounds like the
persecutions of the Church and it's members has begun. This is just the
beginning. We need to prepare for what is yet to happen. This has just opened
the door for other activists to persecute the members of this wonderful Church.
We all need to be praying instead of complaining.
Marriage is not a right. Marriage is a recognition by the state of the union
between two people. Under California law, registered partners have all the same
benefits as married people with regard to taxation, visitation rights, etc. So
the ONLY thing that a marriage grants that a gay couple does not already have is
a certificate, wherein the state officially sanctions their union. This is
tantamount to the state saying "I condone and endorse your homosexual behavior."
It is not a question of civil rights. Essentially, all Proposition 8 was asking
was "Do you think the state of California should condone and endorse homosexual
behavior?" Obviously, based on how the vote turned out, a majority of people do
not feel the state should do this. This issue is similar to a situation where a
gay person tries to seek approval from his/her parents. The parents can't make
the child refrain from living a certain way, but by the same token, the child
cannot force the parents to condone and endorse his/her lifestyle.
I have never felt threatened by a homosexual. I have been seriously annoyed by a
member of the "sunday squadron" many times.Maybe, if the supporters
of Prop 8 had fought a little harder prior to the election this might all be a
moot point.All things being equal, both sides need to lighten up
I hope that any arrests associated with any of the protests are being prosecuted
as hate crimes against the mormons. If this type of thing was happening to the
jewish people, or even the gays, people would be screaming hate crime. But once
againit looks like the mormons are fair game for any kind of criminal activity.
Of course it can't be related at all. It would be irresponsible to say so. . .
Jeez. If it were sent to any other people or any other place, it would be
Do Gay Rights Exist?Where do rights come from?Some say from
government, others say from God. If rights come from government,
then rights are subject to the whims of those who control the levers of power.
In a democracy there are no rights without majority support. Gay rights do not
enjoy a majority; therefore, gay rights do not exist.If Thomas
Jefferson was right when he wrote: "We hold these truths to be self evident
that all men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights"
then rights are granted by God, and are absolute. When Gay
activists claim they have an absolute right to do that which God has absolutely
forbidden, they are making a religious argument. Absolute rights are dependant
upon the existence of God. In this scenario, "gay rights" constitutes an
obvious contradiction.The further America drifts from her moral
roots, the more expendable your rights become!
I will no longer be supporting the democratic process in any other way than with
my quiet vote. No polls, no dollars, no campaigning, no signs...just a vote.
If this is what can be expected when one supports a particular cause
or candidate, I'm out...until I go to the voting booth. Today it's gays and
Mormons. Tomorrow it's young people, Libertarians, teachers, people who listen
to NPR, dog-lovers and members of the Junior League. If you've got an opinion,
best keep it to yourself until you get to the voting booth....if you want to
work, live, attend services, or play in your yard without harassment from the
those with radical opposing views.
It is far too easy for angry, frightened people to lump the "other" into a giant
evil monolithic group of terrorists. Obviously the whole gay community didn't
have a meeting and decide to terrorize the church. Surely we can see that? Oh,
wait. I forgot where I lived for just a second.
I agree this is completely out of hand. But please, there is really no evidence
that these actions are being done by gay people. It is possible that these acts
were done by people who are so anti-gay that they are taking advantage of the
situation to discredit and inflame feeling against gays. We just don't know.But even if the perpetrators ARE gays upset about prop 8, it is still
wrong to ascribe the actions of malcontents to the entire gay community.I cringed every time the news media referred to the Texas polygamists as
"Mormons" or even "fundamentalist Mormons" because they so don't represent the
church I belong to. I suspect many of you felt the same. It is likewise wrong
for us to lump all gays together behind these acts.
I definitely think this has something to do w/ Prop. 8 because both the Mormons
and the Knights of Columbus were the 2 main outspoken churches in support of
Prop. 8. It is a little more than ironic that both church headquarters get
mailed the same thing.Apparently the democracy that makes our
country so great means nothing anymore. The people voted and the
majority were in favor and the amendment passed. Move on! There have been many
things and many candidates that I have supported that have failed according to
democracy. That's life. You move on. You don't force your hand.
This is a despicable act. I have lost sympathy for those against
Prop 8 for acts like this and many others.I know all gays are not
the ones doing this, in fact it is probably not even gay people. But, wow
whoever it is, is giving homosexuals a bad name.
looks like the geys are digging themselves a deeper hole. let them do it.
Why wasn't the story about the church in Michigan front page news? Let's see
that covered on the news instead of just these temple protests. Where is the
coverage of that Michigan church? I want to hear what really happened. Can you imagine if we went to their places of worship to protest them?
This is terrorism... and should be investigated as such! And we are called
Let's move on people. Yes on prop 8 passed with a majority of the vote in CA.
Get over it and on with your lives.
"That's your family that could be threatened next."Yeah, and
Proposition 8 threatened the families of gays!So it is OK for you to
threaten their families, but when someone threatens your family ONLY THEN do you
take it seriously?I thought empathy was an ability taught by Jesus
to his followers? I guess Mormons aren't true followers. They have no empathy
We all probably remember when a US citizen blew up the OK Federal Bldg and
killed close to 200 people. What deranged people will do cannot be comprehended
by sane, moderate, tolerant people. We know further calamaties are coming, we
can focus on how to stay safe. Sounds like the temple staff did
their job and procedures served to protect what could have been a clear act of
terrorism. We can't take our safety for granted. One bad apple...
Dear Editorial,Please thank your wife for having the courage to stand up
for what she feels is right. I applaud her for writing that editorial to
support prop 8. Too bad many others are afraid they will be put on
some hit list, if they voice their opinions. Shame on those who
fought against prop 8.....they are showing their true colors now......HATE.
When are they going to have that grandma who was attacked and spat on the Today
Show or some other news show. Let's hear her story. That was just awful. I'm sick of most of the news being one sided and not showing people who
just want to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Let's hear their
I don't believe anyone is claiming that all gays have participated in this act
of terrorism. However, it is JUST ONE OF MANY ACTS of persecution that have
been perpetrated against the Church, and it's members, in the weeks leading up
to and since the passage of proposition 8. I believe these people
are showing themselves for what they really are. They clearly don't believe in
democracy, free speech or the right of citizens to vote their conscience. We
will continue to stand for what's right no matter how much hate and persecution
is heaped upon us.
Imagine being in a gay couples shoes.One day you are legally and
happily married and the next day that right is taken away.When a
right is taken away such as your marriage license or the thought that you can
marry your significant other, it seems quite logical that this could drive
someone to make a terrible decision on the primary party who took the right
away.I am no longer LDS, but I totally respect the church. My
advice to church members is to stick your ground and turn the cheek when this
garbage happens. Remember: Jesus asked God to forgive his murderers.
Wait just a minute...before we jump to conclusions, let's let the authorities
investigate the matter and take it from there. I seem to remember a month or so
ago a McCain supporter that was "jumped" at an ATM machine and burned with a B.
Sudden hate was spouted, "Look what Obama's supporters will do...they will stop
at nothing to get their way..." Come to find out this individual did it to
herself (the backwards B was clue 1...LOL). So let's all calm down and let the
authorties do their job, investigate the matter, and then make arrests. You know
what they say about those that make assumptions...
I believe that commmon sense would tell us, that all who are opposed to Prop 8
would not act in this fashion. Reality is when there is just "one bad apple" or
"one rotten bunch" it reflects poorly on the entire group. The group as a whole
becomes "stereo typed" - Guilt by association! This happens in all
organizations. It is impossible to control the acts of individuals
who claim membership, association, etc. with any group or organization. One or
two actions do not necessarily speak for the entire organization or group. That
group, however, is held accountable publically for the actions of a few - if
they do not denounce (in this case publically)the actions as not being
representative of the group. If this is not done, all credibility will be
lost!Organizations need to denounce in-correct actions (against
stated policy /doctrine) by anyone claiming membership or authorized authority
in the organization. This sometimes is done publically (to protect the
organization and victims) but mostly done privately. The poor
actions of a few (unless it is a authorized representative) should never be a
reflection of the entire group or of organization's belief/view, BUT IT DOES!
Govern yourselves appropriately.
You certainly have your "rights" to speak your mind. But must it be with
hate-filled bigotry? Can it be sane minds agreeing to disagree? Must it be
threatening, angry, and hate filled? No, I do not ask for conformity, nor do I
expect it. I ask for respect and love rather than intolerance and hate.
The agent from the FBI said that there was no evidence linking this to
proponents of prop 8. There is a problem of people automatically assuming it
was a group of gay people. Even if it was, saying "these gays" is unfairly
stereotyping. This implies that all homosexuals are terrorists.I
imagine those stereotyping gays as terrorists are the same that discriminate
against Muslims. It's not fun when the tables are turned. On a recent visit to
Texas, I had a difficult time convincing people that I was not associated with
Warren Jeffs, when they heard that I was LDS.In our congregations,
we teach tolerance, not necessarily acceptance. I am not seeing a lot of
tolerance on this board.
We know where this came from a "no brainer". The Church has been called every
name in the book. We will weather this out. The Church will continue to help
those around the world. If these "terrorists" think that they can hurt the truth
or the Church think again. The people have said what they want with the vote of
Prop 8. And if they think that we should be more understanding then read the
Bible on what is said about Gay relationships.
If you think the Church has planted this as a means of getting sympathy, you are
a conspiracy theory kook. Did they also vandalize their own church buildings?
Did they also send some powder to the Knights of Colubus? Did they also send
death threats to themselves? Get REAL!
I'm tired of the threats of violence by HomoNazis who are attacking people and
institutions simply because they did not vote the way these trouble makers
wanted them to.We must not back down now.
Leave the Mormons alone already. This is getting ridiculous. Focus your anger
somewhere else. The people of California have spoken. AGAIN.
Well said Jessica! I'm pretty sure that almost all members of the GLBT community
feel as you do. I mean, how many times does an overly-zealous group of Mormons
give all Mormons a bad name? (I'll give you hint: a lot).
I am glad there are still sane people on both sides of this issue. I voted FOR
the family, but as one who has gay friends and relatives, I can relate somewhat
to the disappointment that must be felt by others. (The reaction, however, is
inexcusable.) I did not vote out of so-called homophobia, but out of a
conviction that without the traditional family, we can't preserve society as it
is. I think we've got a taste the past few days of what sort of society might
well result WITHOUT the preservation of the traditional family.Jessica, I'm glad you recognize that what's being done here is nothing more or
less than domestic terrorism. The people who are doing this deserve
imprisonment, not "marriage." There ARE still good and decent people at heart
among you--I recognize that. I hope you and other reasonable, law-abiding,
civic-minded GLBT who REALLY believe in "tolerance" can help the outraged engage
in dialogue rather than cruelty.These acts of violence, bigotry, and
oppression are NOT winning friends to their cause OR showing that those who
commit them deserve ANY "rights"--other than their Miranda rights, that is. Let's all be civilized!
For those blanket accusing gays of this and that, especially of being violent
and hurting their cause and/or not speaking out against these violent
actions....at the very least, read some of these comments! Some are
here speaking calmly, regretting the extreme actions, not wishing to be
represented by them.
All of you on both sides - it comes down to one thing: The people receiving
these things are someone's relative. In fact, my dad works in the department
that received this letter. It could have been my dad! It could have been
toxic, and not just an idiot prank! To anyone, gay, straight, black, white, I
don't care - next time you think about someone "different" from you, just
remember - that's my family you're threatening. That's your family that could
be threatened next.
I am gay, transgendered, and I was (and am) obviously very much against Prop 8.
But what is being done in my name is *WRONG*, DEAD wrong, and I want the people
responsible for this act of domestic terrorism brought to justice for their
crimes.These criminals do not speak for me. They do not represent
me. What they have done is a disgrace not just to the GLBT community, but to the
nation.We DO want tolerance. (What else would we want? Intolerance?)
But the way to achieve tolerance is THROUGH BEING TOLERANT; the small-minded
criminals who perpetrated this act of violence, on the other hand, are harming
our cause and making us look like monsters. I am shamed by their actions.
I think we all know people in this community that hate gays enough to try to
discredit themPlease wait until the truth is out and then remember
it's a sin to judge others, payable by your being judge.
I used to be sympathtic to the gay comunity, not anymore! Your actions speak
louder than your words! You have no honor, no respect, no class,no tolerance!
I would be willing to bet that if the vote were held again tomorrow, Prop 8
would pass by a much greater margin. Way to go, gays - you are really helping
I agree with you double standard..We know EXACTLY who is behind this. It does
not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Hopefully someone will be
spending some quality time in a prison.
Let's start by saying that this issue has nothing to do with being republican or
democrat so for those of you who went there, don't even start. People in both
parties voted yes and no on prop 8 so you can drop that argument. Now onto the
real issue...I am extremely appalled that someone would even try to pull this
hoax and to top it off they weren't brave enough to put who they were or their
agenda. I know people are saying don't point blame...but it clearly is someone
in favor of gay marriage and is aiming their anger at the LDS church. I think
these activists are taking a step backwards for gay rights if they want people
to be on their side. I agree that this should be considered a terrorist act and
if Homeland Security finds the sender, they should be prosecuted. Its one thing
to protest but to do this when people are still on edge because of terrorists is
just plain dumb.
Just another day at the office....
That these terroristic acts are targeting religious groups whose members have
the freedom to vote for something. Now it seems that the losing side is
resorting to horrific intimidation, threats, vandalism, and terrorism. Way to go
anti-prop 8 people, whatever sympathy I was feeling for the gay community has
gone right out the window. To target members of religious groups is a hate crime
isn't it? Really, I was feeling sorry about prop-8 passing, but now I sure
don't. Sorry, the Mormons don't have that much influence to have passed prop 8
alone! I am sure that the 52% of people who voted for Prop-8 feel vindicated
that it passed. The outrage by the anti-prop 8 community is sure not winning any
sympathy. Harassing people for the way they choose to vote is wrong. I don't
want anyone to think that is ok. It seems very un-American to me.
"I'm only sorry that it was probably a hoax." Thank you for your excellent
example of tolerance (sarcasm)
I'm not sure if this was an act by prop-8 supporters but it is not right to send
toxic chemicals thru the mail shouldn't they have detectors for that kind of
stuff and to sent it to 2 temples that made me mad I hope they find who did
I am a member of the LDS Church is good standing. I supported Prop 8 and have
been dissapointed in the protests following the democratic passing of Prop. 8.
I am saddenned that opponents of Prop. 8 can't seem to be tolerant of our
views.However, I fear that we as members, myself included, run the
risk of blowing up this minor persecution into a great ordeal. The truth is,
Latter-day Saints have faced far worse, and I'm not just talking about the
pioneer days. .The Church has faced criticism in the past, it will
continue to do so. Let's just be happy that Prop. 8 passed and continue to try
to be Christlike.
It is too bad, if ultimately the powder did come from the "other side of the
aisle" from how LDS people voted on Prop. 8. In our country, voicing your
opinion is not looked down upon nor is worshipping how you wish nor is voting
the dictates of your own conscience. If the origin is proved as many suspect
(and, circumstantially, it seems to point to opponents of Prop. 8), then a line
has been crossed. Moving from hurt feelings (i.e., by the passage of
California's marriage amendment) to hurting others not only crosses a line, it
becomes criminal. And, yes, had I been a Californian, I would have voted against
the amendment. But I would live with it or move to another state. It's similar
to having to live with Barak Obama as the next president, which is not palatable
That just inexusable. I can't believe this kind of stuff happens. There are
crazy people in the world
Violence begets violence. Perceived attacks by the LDS religion and other
religions won't go unattested to; it's the same philosophy in any circumstance.
Don't expect to slander millions of Americans and be respected by those same
individuals. The LDS church has more enemies than gay proponents, it's wrong to
assume they made the attack. Even if an attack was made with that agenda, don't
move so quickly to stigmatize the entire gay community - - every religion,
gender, nationality and orientation has a violent subgroup that does not
represent the entire group. Multiple attack locations may mean multiple
attackers, but this does not represent the whole community.
sympathy I had for mormons is gone forever and ever.
The picture of the gays at the LA Temple with the sign "Mormon Scum" and other
disparaging remarks show their true colors.Why no outrage by the
national media? Governor Swartzenegger? President Elect Obama?Why
no apology from all of you gays that are trying to convince us that isn't your
true colors and we shouldn't judge an entire group by the actions of a small
minority?How about a press conference apologizing for the criminal
damage at the temple and the frenzied masses intimidating people who exercised
their right to vote?What a disgrace. Way to win over your friends
They cover a protest and they show Gay union supporters giving their opinion and
they question 'should we really interfere?' etc but they DO NOT talk about
this!? And people wonder why as members of the church we say we have to defend
ourselves from anti-LDS talk all the time. I support prop 8, I also support the
rights of those who are against prop 8, their rights are to voice an opinion. I
support this as I support my religions RIGHT to speak to its members about
issues and try to spread what we believe is good. The LDS church can try to
influence everyone to do what we believe is good. Why? BECAUSE INFLUENCE IS NOT
FORCE. We try to convince others that our 'philosophy' is right. GAYS DO THE
SAME! But people voted, we didn't force anyone. The church did nothing wrong.
The members did nothing wrong. We stand for what we believe along with millions
of others of different faiths, no faiths, ethnicities in what is only NATURAL
and has been accepted as correct for more than a millennia. But now we are evil,
bigots, and discriminatory? LEARN TOLERANCE OF OUR OPINION, it's hypocritical!
sympathy I had for gays is GONE FOREVER.
Robert Oh, it was sent to Church Headquarters, as I was there when they came
with the Haz. team.
I hate, hate crimes. Can't we all try to be more peaceful and loving to each
other, in a very mixed up world, with mixed up people? Let's all try to be nice
and not so judgmental of one another. I say, Peace to ALL and a very goodnight.
that its the no on prop8 folks there are tons of others that dont like the
mormon church, seems like now is the time to attack. Its not cool to protest in
I'm confused by your remarks. Did you confuse the word condemn with condone?
People have a right to protest, but they don't have a right to rough up, spit on
and push around old ladies with a cross. They don't have a right to vandalize
property. Where is the public outrage?
Please. If you people on here think this act is some concerted effort on behalf
of homosexuals, you are insulting your own intelligence. Who knows who did
this? There are a small number of vandalism crimes, and this crime to
terrorize.People who obviously are not concerned about advancing the
interests of homosexuals are carrying out these crimes. Who in his right mind
would think something like this would bring about positive change in favor of
homosexual rights?Also, please keep in mind, the 9/11 anthrax scare
wasn't even perpetrated by the Islamic terrorists.
I think we should be careful not to blame the "No8" crowd but with all the
recent protests and attacks, I think its fair to put them at the top of the
suspect list. I think lots of people are afraid that our
Constitutional rights are being attacked in the form of intimidation, attacks,
and blackmail. Politicians abandoned have abandoned Constitution and the will
of th people and are doing whatever they can to over overturn Prop 8 even though
traditional marriage was voted on and passed twice by California citizens. It used to be unthinkable that homosexual movement would ever be accused
of committing hate crimes but with recent events, its possible for people and
institutions to be victims of gay hate nowadays.
The ridiculousness of the whole thing is that the gays don't understand LDS
history. In 1890, we were told to discontinue a practice regarding marriage
that was unpopular. And we did - without terrorizing or picketing or protesting
or threatening or calling names or anything else. Doh.
The no on prop 8 people have done themselves further harm. Do they think this
will stop people from going to the temple? I think not. Now the FBI and
Federal Post Office is involved, I have faith they will investigate this
thoroughly. Media attention only feeds the frenzy these protestors stir up. This
is indeed an act of terrorism and hate crimes. I say 2 and 2 make 4 against the
no people, but it could possibly be someone taking advantage of the situation
for their own hate agenda. I know where my opinion lies. The protestor's
actions point the direction.
Oh, sure, after all the violent protests, vandalism and threats made verbally
and on the Internet by hard-core gay rights advocates who have demonized
Mormons, Catholics, blacks, Hispanics, and any demographic that supported Prop
8, there's no reason to suspect these envelopes containing a white powder meant
to symbolize a deadly chemical had anything to do with a hate crime against
Mormons and Catholics. Are you people nuts?
Weak people will go after the weak. The gay agenda is weak and has chosen to go
after the smallest and weakest of religious institutions involved in the matter,
Nice job and mighty big of you. Leave the lds church alone, it did you no harm!
You are both struggling groups and it does not good for each of you to go at
each other, it just draws each of you down in credibility and support.
Robert Oh,"Mr. Editorial, what you really want is for those who
believe differently than you do to be quite and sit down (in the back of the
bus). It'd be easier for you to throw illogical rationalizations at your fears
to justify your need to have others conform to your beliefs."So
anyone who disagrees with you must be labeled in this manner. How dare you
hijack what my people went through and compare it to what is happening now. You
have no right to compare what happened to blacks who had our civil rights
violated to those who want the law changed."You may not like it, but
there are many who have had enough. Lots of people have been motivated to find
their voice to express what they've hidden for a very long time. Some may be
better at it than others, but that's no reason to shut them up."Who
is trying to shut someone up? It seems to me that those who support same-sex
marriage are the ones trying to shut people up who have found their voice and
are voting and speaking out in defense of their rights and liberties.
Until we find out who sent the envelopes, the suspicion will be on the Gay
community who are gathering in increasingly larger crowds--LA, SLC, NYC. To the
average American this pattern will appear vengeful and threatening, and will
only weaken their message of tolerance, love, and acceptance.
For heaven sake, people, settle down! Why don't we wait to see what the white
powder is and see if the authorities can find out who did what to whom before we
go making all these ridiculous speculations and accusations. For all anyone
knows it could have been "Avon calling" with a sample! Give me a break!
I'm only sorry that it was probably a hoax.
How ridiculous to suppose that a friend of the Church or a Mormon sent the
powder to garner sympathy! I think it was a carefully planned terrorist plot by
the fringe of the fringe who targeted LA and SLC and also the Knights of
Columbus building in Connecticut--where a leftist judge made homosexual marriage
legal yesterday. The KC group I think would be obscure to most Mormons here in
the West. I would just assume that the Catholic Church in Connecticut voiced
disfavor in the judge's judgment of yesterday. Prop8 losers also
voiced anger against African-American ministers who encouraged their
congregations to vote yes. I think the Rainbow Coalition is finally showing us
their true colors!
I've never seen better fundraisers than these anti-prop 8 activists.I only chipped in a little bit last tim. Next time, I'm all in.
Those protesting the passing of Prop 8 said they would not give up until they
get their way. I think it is very nice of the authorities to not assume that
Prop 8 protestors are behind the vandalism at churches, and leaving a burning
copy of the Book of Mormon on the steps of a church, and now the white powder
sent to 2 temples and a Knights of Columbus building. It may just be baby
powder, but it was obviously intended to appear as anthrax powder. Whoever is
behind all of these attacks should be tried with the harsher hate crime
penalties. Not all hate crimes are against homosexuals. It's my opinion that
protestors of Prop 8 are behind these attacks. But that's just me.
And to think I was starting to lean towards no on 8. This is a disgrace. I
didn't realize the message before, I realize now that this was an issue of
religious freedom and not gay marriage. I now see which side was telling lies.
It's just kind of interesting, because if this has to do with Prop 8, it's not
like the Mormon church makes up more than half the population of California. In
fact the Catholic church is the largest church in the state. Face
the music. The people voted and according to our democratic government, they
were heard, and the majority won twice (lest we forget prop 22 back in 2000). I
wonder how many people actually have looked into the fine details of prop. 8 and
what it would force churches to do in regards to marriage. Going back to
history, this country was founded based on freedom, and that includes freedom of
religion. The vote for most people probably had nothing to do with hate, it
most likely had to do with personal beliefs and church doctrines. So should
people have their beliefs taken away from them too?
I guess it was not Homosexuals that vandalized the L.A. Temple. Lets not accuse
anyone, It is just a coincidence that this happens after the California public
done the right thing. Homosexuality is Blasphemy and it says so in the Bible.
Brothers and Sisters you do not have to bow to public pressure and accept these
sinners. What these people are doing is morally wrong and we all know it. They
could repent and forsake their sins, but they don't. They just try to force the
World to accept them. When the Prophet takes up a cause it is for good reason.
Listen to the Prophet, Be vigilant and prayerful constantly brothers and
sisters, Be faithful to the Lord and keep his commandments and ordinances, live
your life and let them condemn themselves. Don't hate but instead try to bring
these people to the Lord if they will. Show mercy and mercy will come. But we
all know that sin is sin and they must repent to be saved. Remember Prop. 8 is a
very good thing and every state should do one. We as Saints should rise above
this bickering and proceed as usual.
Don't you just love the radical gay community and their supporters? "We can't
have our way so let's become terrorists. That will solve everything." Sheesh,
what a bunch of losers! I'm sure the vast majority of that ilk are well meaning
and sincere but these radical outbursts are more than counter-productive to
Mr. Editorial, what you really want is for those who believe differently than
you do to be quite and sit down (in the back of the bus). It'd be easier for
you to throw illogical rationalizations at your fears to justify your need to
have others conform to your beliefs.Yeah, It'd be easier for me to
go back to a time when I believed in Santa Claus. It's not going to happen.You may not like it, but there are many who have had enough. Lots of
people have been motivated to find their voice to express what they've hidden
for a very long time. Some may be better at it than others, but that's no
reason to shut them up.It's not going away!
dj,"I'm frightened. Strong beliefs are one thing, commitment and
purpose are others, but violence to push such is frightening."A lot
of us are frightened but we must have courage and not be intimidated. If called
upon to give our life for our freedoms and liberties we should do so. Those who
support forcing same-sex marriage on the majority should not be allowed to
intimidate us. We should stand call. Being frightened is okay since it makes us
aware of danger and the danger that these tyrants pose is great enough to
warrant a reasonable fear.There are many who have called for Temples
and our Churches to be burnt down, for attacks on those who voted for Prop. 8
and who threaten to harm their own families who disagree with them. The more
united we are and the more solidarity we express in defending our rights the
more angry they will become at not being able to violate our rights.They cannot and will not destroy the Constitution or deprive us of our rights.
In the word of Mahatma Gandhi they may take our life but they will not have our
I am not seeing anybody in the gay/lesbian community condone such actions even
if they have nothing to do with it. Even previous acts of hateful words and such
haven't be condoned.So step your cause up, prop 8/gay marriage
supporters. If you truly teach tolerance and want to come off as the better
group, then step up. Because the silence isn't helping your cause.
I just hope it isn't toxic.
Editorial,Let me express my sympathy for you and your wife and
family. Your family shouldn't have had to go through that and I am truly
saddened that your wife's choice to exercise her freedom of speech resulted in
these hateful and bigoted comments.Those who support same-sex
marriage have never been about tolerance instead they have favored imposing the
will of a minority upon the majority who hasn't violated their civil rights. The
days of the early Church aren't that far in the past and today we are still
faced with tyrants and traitors.Many of us know and understand how
you feel because we also have been treated the same way by these evil tyrants
who want to intimidate us. We must not allow them to win. Your wife
and your family should stand tall knowing that no matter what happens you are
only defending your rights and liberties against those who would deprive you of
them. We must continue to exercise our rights and stand up for ourselves and our
loved ones against those who would attack us and attempt to impose their
tyrannical rule upon the majority through the courts. May God bless you.
Non-LDS and a backer of prop 8. Please let the investigators do their jobs and
not jump to conclusion. I know it is coincidental that things are happening
during the protesting of prop 8, but lets wait until all of the investigative
facts are in.
While there is no evidence that this is a response to the Prop 8 vote, (and I do
believe we shouldn't judge), the gay community has cast suspision upon
themselves by their sour grapes response to the vote of the majority.
Protesting outside buildings and churches, targeting the LDS church, threatening
to boycott Utah... all of this makes them the natural first suspects. I don't
know if this or any of the other vandalism is related and I won't draw any
conclusions until there is some sort of proof, but the gay community shouldn't
be upset that people suspect them based on their other recations so far.
Henry,"To everyone who is encompassing the entire anti-prop8
movement, how hypocritical you are. Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO
were arrested for vandalizing a Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors"
of the ENTIRE LDS faith? No, it certainly didn't."The difference is
in how they behaved. Two members or 19 members of a group do not represent the
entire group anymore than a handful of gays would represent the gay community
but their votes and their behavior after their vote does represent every
opponent of Proposition 8. Their opposition to Prop. 8 and their attempts to
force their will on the majority of the people is the very reason why they are
considered tyrants and terrorists."One crazed individual, or even a
small group, does not represent the entire organization. And yes, re:Anonymous,
doing so IS stereotyping and a clear form of prejudice."You are
right about that but every person who voted against Prop. 8 represent themselves
and they did attempt to force the majority to bow to their will. To suggest that
those who do not share your views on this are prejudiced is bigoted.
Knights of Columbus and two LDS temples receive letters and you wonder if it is
connected to Prop 8? It is obviously someone involved with the no on 8 issue.
Yes two missionaries created problems with poor behavior in
Colorado(no excuse for what they did), but that doesn't compare to the thousands
who are demonstrating at temples. They are disrupting services, defacing private
property, hanging very insulting signs and threatening the LDS church. Now the
powdery substance.An LDS member in California was forced to resign
from his job because when it was discovered he contributed $1000 to Yes on 8 his
business was threatened with a boycott. It is insulting that no
government official has come out to condemn the actions of the gay community. If
it was the other way around, we definitely would have heard condemnation from
government officials.We have spoken, here in California, with our
vote. It is time that people listen. If they don't like the results, let them
seek their remedy in the courts or with the voters. Stop the threats, insults,
and irrational hate before someone is injured.
The attack,"is on you tube."The video is shocking and I
feel more sorry for the reporter who you could tell was really scared. Every day
reporters put themselves in the line of fire to report the news to us. Some do
it in Iraq where they could be killed while others do it at protests where mobs
form to intimidate the American people.My heart goes out to this
reporter. There were times in the video where protesters deliberately blocked
the camera. It was at those times that my fears for them increased. Knowing that nothing happened to them provided some comfort but imagine the
fear this poor reporter and her cameraman must have felt at the time. They have
violated the rights of the majority for too long and their tyranny must not be
allowed to stand. The man in the video should be arrested for assault.He committed a crime and should pay for it.
What you say is quite possible, but if you peruse the more extreme gay websites
you'll find they've been advocating acts very similar to this against Pro8
entities.It could be what you suggest, but I think now with the
inclusion of the Catholic Press, it is more and more unlikely.I have
a bad feeling we'll wake up tomorrow and find several more entities have also
"Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO were arrested for vandalizing a
Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors" of the ENTIRE LDS faith? No, it
certainly didn't..."I get your point, but they are also very
different. Those missionaries were foolish, were roundly condemned for
their acts by fellow church members and leadership, expressed remorse and made
amends, and did nobody any bodily harm.Where is the equivalent
reaction of horror and condemnation from the pro-gay side? Nowhere. All we hear
are reports of current protest and the next one being planned.I hope
these powder incidents are harmless and that the perpetrator can be found and
brought to justice, but now that a Catholic enterprise has been affected, it is
quite clear the mailings are linked to Prop 8.Those saying it is
being done by someone trying to gather support for the LDS Church is engaging in
wishful thinking. Try checking out the more extreme gay websites and you'll find
they've been advocating acts very similar to this on Pro8 entities.
Dr Dude,"I'm LDS and in favor of prop 8, but I've known many
tactless Mormons in my day. Anyone think of the possibility of this being an
actually "friend" of the church, or even a church member, committing a fake act
of terror to make the opposition look bad? In the modern world of anonymity it's
easy to make your enemy look worse. I could get various websites and post under
the name "GayMormon_Hater" and say nasty, violent things about Mormons with the
intent of making Gays look violent and radical. Settle down everybody."Anything's possible but there are actual videos and pictures of them attacking
people, vandalizing the Los Angeles Temple and threatening people. There is also
evidence of them singling out members of the Church and protesting their homes,
and businesses. One family who owns a Insurance business had protesters show up
with signs that read "Purves Family Supports Homophobia."I'm sorry
but actions speak louder than words and these tyrants are intent on trying to
intimidate anyone who opposes them and there are instances where people who
opposed Prop. 8 come under attack such as Amy Kuschel who had an employee who
donated in support.
I'm frightened. Strong beliefs are one thing, commitment and purpose are others,
but violence to push such is frightening.
Charge this as a Federal Crime, with a terrorist sentence.
My wife wrote an editorial in a newspaper supporting Prop 8 and the people of
California for voting in favor of the Proposition to protect marriage. What was
the result? A bevy of hateful, shameful, mindless and bigoted comments aimed
right at her. I agree with others on this post who comment that the opponents
of Prop 8 who preached tolerance and love for all are now showing what this is
really all about. It certainly can't be tolerance. It is shameful and hurtful.
In some ways, it's beginning to feel like the early times of the church when
violence knocked at the doorstep. It would not surprise me if this is next.
And all in the name of tolerance and rights. Wow.
I'm LDS and in favor of prop 8, but I've known many tactless Mormons in my day.
Anyone think of the possibility of this being an actually "friend" of the
church, or even a church member, committing a fake act of terror to make the
opposition look bad? In the modern world of anonymity it's easy to make your
enemy look worse. I could get various websites and post under the name
"GayMormon_Hater" and say nasty, violent things about Mormons with the intent of
making Gays look violent and radical. Settle down everybody.
I believe these people who call Mormons haters and scream persection are
exposing themselves for what they really are. This is an act of terrorism and
many other acts of religious persecution are being perpetrated against the
Church and members across America. Of course, this is nothing new to us. We
have been the victims of persecution since the very beginning.To The
Members in California: Please know that we are praying for you and have been
all along. We celebrate your courage. Now your governor and others are calling
for the courts to overturn the will of the people instead of defending your
religious freedom and your rights as citizens.Please, we must all
continue to work, pray and fight for what's right. Thanks to all the other
Churches and individuals who are standing up and defending us. We must all
stand together in a righteous cause.
To everyone who is encompassing the entire anti-prop8 movement, how hypocritical
you are. Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO were arrested for
vandalizing a Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors" of the ENTIRE
LDS faith? No, it certainly didn't. No more than 19 Islamic extremists
crashing planes into buildings represents the entire Islamic community or the
KKK represents all of Christianity. One crazed individual, or even a small
group, does not represent the entire organization. And yes, re:Anonymous, doing
so IS stereotyping and a clear form of prejudice.
Or it could be a pro-mormon person trying to stir things up. You know, that
persecution thing you all talk about.
I think they planted it themselves to garner some sympathy.
is on you tube.
Same gender proponents bashed an elderly lady - marriage defender today - it was
caught live by news cameras.
Congratulations Anti-Prop 8 folks. You have now joined the realm of the
terrorists. Your messages of love and peace and understanding have just turned
into a message of hate, religious discrimination, racial discrimination, and
violence. You have just showed America exactly what you are!
An angry mob of homosexual activists in Southern California attacked an elderly
bespectacled woman carrying a cross then shouted her down during a live TV
interview as she tried to explain to a reporter her defense of the state's new
Stop pointing fingers so fast,"This probably has nothing to do with
gay people. You are showing the kind of prejudice and hate that they keep
accusing us of having against them. Let's just hope there was no harm done and
move on without pointing fingers until the authorities have actually confirmed
something."There is a lot of evidence that it was a gay person who
was behind this. They vandalize the Los Angeles Temple, attempt to intimidate
worshipers at the Salt Lake Temple, make hateful comments online about how our
Temples should be burnt down, how we should all watch our backs. Now there is
evidence that people are burning copies of the Book of Mormon, setting fires
outside of LDS Chapels. When you add it all together its safe to assume that a
gay person is behind this.The very nature of their protests are a
tyrannical attempt to intimidate Mormons into not voting in the next election or
donating to opposition to same-sex marriage. Even by themselves these protests
are all terrorist acts.
I'll be interested to see if the national media covers any of this. It's not a good idea to point fingers until we know anything for sure, but
after Mike-Riverside, CA at 6:35 p.m. posted that there was an envelope
delivered to the L.A. temple, it would appear that this could be going in the
direction of a definite hate crime.Still, I think we must act in a
mature manner, and understand that these are extremists who do things like this.
But what the public does with this information, well, that's a different story.
Seems like they like to choose who they rally around if it fits their agenda
and biases. Even so, it's useless to get bitter. Better to move forward.
this is a little too much in a land that's known for freedom!!
Mormons rock the world! They are the nicest, most awesome people you will ever
meet. Whether this letter be from some enraged homosexual or some idiotic
person just trying to make a joke, it doesn't matter. The LDS people don't
deserve this, no matter how full of goodness and righteousness they get.
The LA temple was also closed today due to a white powdery substance mailed
there. Anyone still doubt who's behind this?
The local LDS bishop lives near. He had Yes on Prop 8 signs. It never crossed my
mind that taking it was acceptable. Being a liberal, means tolerance to me. In
all movements there are extremist. Read about Porter Rockwell.
Local TV stations in LA are now reporting that the LA Temple also received an
envelope with white powder today. The TV stations are not getting confused with
the SLC Temple becasue in the same broadcast they mentioned that that temple
also received an envelope with with powder.
As a Mormon and a Prop8 proponent, I have to say, odds are this is a response to
the recent vote. However, it's also very possible it's totally unrelated, or
even something mailed by a Prop8 proponent to inflame the issue even further and
reflect poorly on the Prop8 opponents (anyone could foresee -- and can now see
plainly -- what assumptions could be made). No use blaming this on
every gay or every Prop8 opponent. It's just one wacko out there somewhere.
Why at 5:18 is also confused. Well, besides the fact there is no evidence
presented in the article that would link this event to Proposition 8, it would
be those against Proposition 8 who are mad at the church. Hey for all we
know this was sent by someone mad about polygamy. The fact that the church has
been excommunicating people for practicing polygamy for nearly a century does
not prevent people from vocally speaking out against the churh on such issues,
and so there is no reason to believe it prevents hate acts based on this issue
as well. My point is there are many reasons people decide to hate the
My first counsel in for people to calm down. There is no cear indication
where this envolope came from. We do not know if it was harmful, and we know
even less about why it was sent, so it might be good to not assume anything.
On the other hand, I have to admit Eric at 5:43 really confuses me.
Either he does not understand Proposition 8, is really confused about the
position the church took, or does not like it when other people espouse his
Doesn't pass the smell test. Why would someone send something like
this directly to the SL Temple? Why not Church HQ? Doesn't all the
mail go through the office building mail room?I think we need more
Nobody blamed all the gays for this. You are creating predudice. Who
stereotyped? You are inventing predudice. You are a hypocrit!The church
leaders asked us to love and not judge. You could learn something from them
before you speak again and throw both Mormons and gays under the bus which you
just did in your comment.
I have to agree with Michael Jay. There are many uninvolved people out there
who would love to see an out of control fight start who could be responsible.
And even if it was a antiprop8 extremist, its exactly that an extremist.
Extremists don't define the group. I may be anti-gay marriage but I
dont want to see this escalate any farther than protests and discussions.
However due to recent acts of vandalism and assault being associated with
no2prop8 supporters they need to act quick to distance themselfs from this one.
Amen to Anonymous.
plain and simple.
I personally could not care less if gays get married. I have 2 other
serious concerns however that neither side seems interested in answering.First that if marriage is to be redefined that it be the will of the
people on a federalists (state by state basis) Just like acceptance or
rejection of abortion, redistributive taxes, and immigration all need to get off
the federal level or we are going to head to another civil war. Let states reap
the good and bad from their decisions rather then forcing their morality on the
rest of us.Second soon after gay marriage is legalized any religions
that teach homosexuality is a sin will be susceptible to hate crime charges.
This would eventually include casting such church leaders into prisons and
revoking their tax exempts status. (it will just take one violent psychopath who
the media can paint as religious to give politicians the excuse) Even those churches that disallow gay people to marry in their buildings or
temples will also be sued or declared non-tax exempt. (this has already
happened more then once in states with gay marriage) In short it is
either freedom of religion or gay marriage.
I can be okay with the picketing but sending an unknown powder into the temple
is going too far.
Putting white powder (simulated or real anthrax) in an envelope and sending it
to the LDS Church has one purpose and one purpose only, to imply, or commit an
act of terrorism.If this cowardly act is linked to the "No on
Proposition 8" supporters, it speaks volumes. In addition to being prosecuted
by Federal authorities, the leaders of the "No on Proposition 8" movement should
denounce and condemn the act.This type of behavior will do far more
damage in the court of public opinion than any "message" those responsible for
this hoped to make to the LDS Church and its members.
I am reminded of President Hinckley's comment about the changes around the Salt
Lake Temple were because he felt the need to protect it....Get ready
the hoe is digging deep in the weeding out process!!!
Typical of liberal thinking bozos. No free speech if you oppose their way of
thinking. Scare tactics if you disagree with them. Nice work gay community;
that will change peoples minds about gay marriage.
Could be an act of terrorism too. What a bunch of miserable thugs!
How amazing would it be if both sides tried to foster a little more
understanding. How great would it be if we valued people, not only people who we
agreed with. No on Prop. 8 has its merits. Yes on Prop. 8 has its
merits also. Neither side is completely wrong, neither side has no poor
repercussions if their side won. What do we do when we cannot come
to a consensus? We have a vote. The people voted. Let's not call them bigots, on
either side. They are doing what they feel is right. Let us all do that, and
then be tolerant enough to let people have their own views.
There was no where in this article that stated homosexuals sent the substance.
And was it the homosexuals that sent the white powder out years ago when this
threat first started??
I was not a supporter of prop 8. But this kind of childish intimidation against
the LDS is completely unacceptable. It is wrong and extremely pitiful.
This probably has nothing to do with gay people. You are showing the kind of
prejudice and hate that they keep accusing us of having against them. Let's just
hope there was no harm done and move on without pointing fingers until the
authorities have actually confirmed something.
This is completely uncalled for. However, just because some nut sent some white
powder to the temple doesn't mean all gays are nuts. LDS people don't want to
be stereotyped and gay people don't want to be either.
Don't just jump to conclusions, it could be some other party or person that
hates the church and saw this as an opporutinty to drive a wedge even farther
between The Church and other groups.
Why the baseless accusations?
As a supporter of Propostion 8 and a strong opponent of the Church's involvement
in this issue, I am embarassed. We all know what this is about. There are much
better ways to handle this.
Seattle Guy seems to have inside information. Hmmmm.
Unbelieveable. If this were the government being sent an envelope with white
powder it would be considered a terrorist act, to gays it would be a hate crime,
but because it is to the Church, the mainstream media, and enemies of the Church
could care less. Give me a break. This is getting out of hand.
Wow, it's interesting to me that so many liberal people talk about tolerance and
acceptance but when it comes right down to it, they do exactly the opposite. If
you're going to "talk the talk", then "walk the walk". Have respect for others.
Can't the people who support proposition 8 just leave the Church alone, this is
beginning to become a joke.
So this is protesting?I could be wrong and this event along with
recent protests against the church regarding proposition 8 could be completely
unrelated, and I would welcome being proved wrong.I completely
respect the right to assemble given to all Americans. It's a necessary right
guaranteed by the constitution. I don't respect people who carry around
envelopes full of white powder, presumably harmless, and pass it around to scare
I highly doubt that had the vote on Proposition 8 gone the other way that any
gay headquarters would be threatened, harassed, picketed, and now possibly
terrorist attacked. Where are all the 'moral' leaders' outrage now? Where is
Jesse Jackson? Where is Obama our new president? Where is the ACLU? I'm sure
this helps the gay cause...
It would appear that Anti-Prop8 protestors have resorted to using terrorism to
attack the LDS Church.
These Gays have taken it to a new level....the fact that they are willing to do
this shows how nuts they are.
Let's see, wonder where this came from...