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No evidence to link threats to Prop. 8 opponents, FBI says

Published: Friday, Nov. 14 2008 12:00 a.m. MST

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Palm Spring, CA

Same gender proponents bashed an elderly lady - marriage defender today - it was caught live by news cameras.

The attack

is on you tube.

media manipulation?

I think they planted it themselves to garner some sympathy.

Bert

Or it could be a pro-mormon person trying to stir things up. You know, that persecution thing you all talk about.

Henry

To everyone who is encompassing the entire anti-prop8 movement, how hypocritical you are. Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO were arrested for vandalizing a Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors" of the ENTIRE LDS faith? No, it certainly didn't. No more than 19 Islamic extremists crashing planes into buildings represents the entire Islamic community or the KKK represents all of Christianity. One crazed individual, or even a small group, does not represent the entire organization. And yes, re:Anonymous, doing so IS stereotyping and a clear form of prejudice.

Cats

I believe these people who call Mormons haters and scream persection are exposing themselves for what they really are. This is an act of terrorism and many other acts of religious persecution are being perpetrated against the Church and members across America. Of course, this is nothing new to us. We have been the victims of persecution since the very beginning.

To The Members in California: Please know that we are praying for you and have been all along. We celebrate your courage. Now your governor and others are calling for the courts to overturn the will of the people instead of defending your religious freedom and your rights as citizens.

Please, we must all continue to work, pray and fight for what's right. Thanks to all the other Churches and individuals who are standing up and defending us. We must all stand together in a righteous cause.



Dr Dude

I'm LDS and in favor of prop 8, but I've known many tactless Mormons in my day. Anyone think of the possibility of this being an actually "friend" of the church, or even a church member, committing a fake act of terror to make the opposition look bad? In the modern world of anonymity it's easy to make your enemy look worse. I could get various websites and post under the name "GayMormon_Hater" and say nasty, violent things about Mormons with the intent of making Gays look violent and radical. Settle down everybody.

Editorial

My wife wrote an editorial in a newspaper supporting Prop 8 and the people of California for voting in favor of the Proposition to protect marriage. What was the result? A bevy of hateful, shameful, mindless and bigoted comments aimed right at her. I agree with others on this post who comment that the opponents of Prop 8 who preached tolerance and love for all are now showing what this is really all about. It certainly can't be tolerance. It is shameful and hurtful. In some ways, it's beginning to feel like the early times of the church when violence knocked at the doorstep. It would not surprise me if this is next. And all in the name of tolerance and rights. Wow.

Anonymous

Charge this as a Federal Crime, with a terrorist sentence.

dj

I'm frightened. Strong beliefs are one thing, commitment and purpose are others, but violence to push such is frightening.

Actions speak louder than words

Dr Dude,

"I'm LDS and in favor of prop 8, but I've known many tactless Mormons in my day. Anyone think of the possibility of this being an actually "friend" of the church, or even a church member, committing a fake act of terror to make the opposition look bad? In the modern world of anonymity it's easy to make your enemy look worse. I could get various websites and post under the name "GayMormon_Hater" and say nasty, violent things about Mormons with the intent of making Gays look violent and radical. Settle down everybody."

Anything's possible but there are actual videos and pictures of them attacking people, vandalizing the Los Angeles Temple and threatening people. There is also evidence of them singling out members of the Church and protesting their homes, and businesses. One family who owns a Insurance business had protesters show up with signs that read "Purves Family Supports Homophobia."

I'm sorry but actions speak louder than words and these tyrants are intent on trying to intimidate anyone who opposes them and there are instances where people who opposed Prop. 8 come under attack such as Amy Kuschel who had an employee who donated in support.

Henry @ 7:30 p.m.

"Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO were arrested for vandalizing a Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors" of the ENTIRE LDS faith? No, it certainly didn't..."

I get your point, but they are also very different.
Those missionaries were foolish, were roundly condemned for their acts by fellow church members and leadership, expressed remorse and made amends, and did nobody any bodily harm.

Where is the equivalent reaction of horror and condemnation from the pro-gay side? Nowhere. All we hear are reports of current protest and the next one being planned.

I hope these powder incidents are harmless and that the perpetrator can be found and brought to justice, but now that a Catholic enterprise has been affected, it is quite clear the mailings are linked to Prop 8.

Those saying it is being done by someone trying to gather support for the LDS Church is engaging in wishful thinking. Try checking out the more extreme gay websites and you'll find they've been advocating acts very similar to this on Pro8 entities.

To Dr Dude

What you say is quite possible, but if you peruse the more extreme gay websites you'll find they've been advocating acts very similar to this against Pro8 entities.

It could be what you suggest, but I think now with the inclusion of the Catholic Press, it is more and more unlikely.

I have a bad feeling we'll wake up tomorrow and find several more entities have also been targeted.

Find out who he is and arrest

The attack,

"is on you tube."

The video is shocking and I feel more sorry for the reporter who you could tell was really scared. Every day reporters put themselves in the line of fire to report the news to us. Some do it in Iraq where they could be killed while others do it at protests where mobs form to intimidate the American people.

My heart goes out to this reporter. There were times in the video where protesters deliberately blocked the camera. It was at those times that my fears for them increased.

Knowing that nothing happened to them provided some comfort but imagine the fear this poor reporter and her cameraman must have felt at the time. They have violated the rights of the majority for too long and their tyranny must not be allowed to stand. The man in the video should be arrested for assault.

He committed a crime and should pay for it.

disgusted Californian

Knights of Columbus and two LDS temples receive letters and you wonder if it is connected to Prop 8? It is obviously someone involved with the no on 8 issue.

Yes two missionaries created problems with poor behavior in Colorado(no excuse for what they did), but that doesn't compare to the thousands who are demonstrating at temples. They are disrupting services, defacing private property, hanging very insulting signs and threatening the LDS church. Now the powdery substance.

An LDS member in California was forced to resign from his job because when it was discovered he contributed $1000 to Yes on 8 his business was threatened with a boycott.

It is insulting that no government official has come out to condemn the actions of the gay community. If it was the other way around, we definitely would have heard condemnation from government officials.

We have spoken, here in California, with our vote. It is time that people listen. If they don't like the results, let them seek their remedy in the courts or with the voters. Stop the threats, insults, and irrational hate before someone is injured.

Your bigotry isn't well received

Henry,

"To everyone who is encompassing the entire anti-prop8 movement, how hypocritical you are. Only a few months ago two missionaries in CO were arrested for vandalizing a Catholic church. Did that show the "true colors" of the ENTIRE LDS faith? No, it certainly didn't."

The difference is in how they behaved. Two members or 19 members of a group do not represent the entire group anymore than a handful of gays would represent the gay community but their votes and their behavior after their vote does represent every opponent of Proposition 8. Their opposition to Prop. 8 and their attempts to force their will on the majority of the people is the very reason why they are considered tyrants and terrorists.

"One crazed individual, or even a small group, does not represent the entire organization. And yes, re:Anonymous, doing so IS stereotyping and a clear form of prejudice."

You are right about that but every person who voted against Prop. 8 represent themselves and they did attempt to force the majority to bow to their will. To suggest that those who do not share your views on this are prejudiced is bigoted.

a point

While there is no evidence that this is a response to the Prop 8 vote, (and I do believe we shouldn't judge), the gay community has cast suspision upon themselves by their sour grapes response to the vote of the majority. Protesting outside buildings and churches, targeting the LDS church, threatening to boycott Utah... all of this makes them the natural first suspects. I don't know if this or any of the other vandalism is related and I won't draw any conclusions until there is some sort of proof, but the gay community shouldn't be upset that people suspect them based on their other recations so far.

I'm....

Non-LDS and a backer of prop 8. Please let the investigators do their jobs and not jump to conclusion. I know it is coincidental that things are happening during the protesting of prop 8, but lets wait until all of the investigative facts are in.

Gays stop shoving your will down

Editorial,

Let me express my sympathy for you and your wife and family. Your family shouldn't have had to go through that and I am truly saddened that your wife's choice to exercise her freedom of speech resulted in these hateful and bigoted comments.

Those who support same-sex marriage have never been about tolerance instead they have favored imposing the will of a minority upon the majority who hasn't violated their civil rights. The days of the early Church aren't that far in the past and today we are still faced with tyrants and traitors.

Many of us know and understand how you feel because we also have been treated the same way by these evil tyrants who want to intimidate us. We must not allow them to win.

Your wife and your family should stand tall knowing that no matter what happens you are only defending your rights and liberties against those who would deprive you of them. We must continue to exercise our rights and stand up for ourselves and our loved ones against those who would attack us and attempt to impose their tyrannical rule upon the majority through the courts. May God bless you.

Someone

I just hope it isn't toxic.

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