Comments about ‘Protests over Proposition 8 outcome getting personal’

Ok, the LDS church encouraged it's members to donate to a cause they believe in, Prop 8 passes, and why now are people protesting the LDS church? What is it they hope to accomplish? Intimidation? Terror? Hate? If Prop 8 was on an upcoming election I could understand the protests, but seriously, now it's not an (election) issue anymore. If Prop 8 had failed, would it be fair then for LDS members to be protesting homosexuals?

To 'Hypocrites, eh?',
The government can't take away the LDS church's right to marry in temples, but they can stop recognizing it as a legal marriage. All that would happen then is people would get married first in a government sanctioned marriage ceremony and then go get married in their temple. That's happened many times in the LDS church's history in other countries where they were not recognized.

I feel badly that the gall being displayed by some people in this debate will only end up hurting those who are spewing it. This means those on both sides who are engaging with acid comments and vile acts. There is no end to bitterness until it totally consumes the soul of he or she who harbors it. It is like a person who takes poison and then expects the person who is the object of his vengeance to die. For your own sake, all of you should learn to let go of bitterness. I say, debate without hate!

you did NOT get my point. this is an unfair prop and i completely understand the gay point of view. You won't get it until someone takes away rights that are dear to you.

Oh wait, this happened back in the 19th century. how sad that the Mormon memory is short lived. my ancestors were persecuted in Nauvoo MAINLY because they practiced a non-traditional marriage. back then Mormons were crying for tolerance too.

btw, here in CA there were 100s of protesters on the street in favor of prop 8 the weekend before the election disrupting my life. I've never seen such a group so filled with hate and lies. i cried and cried.

Utah money paid for LIES that played on people's fear. that's why Utahns are getting the brunt of this protest.

what you give you get. DEAL WITH IT.

Hey,
Doesn't anyone remember 9/11 and how the country pulled together and were praying for each other? What has happened to our country since then? What a sad country we are!!!!!! Now the country is at war just the same as it was when the terrorists attacked!!! Come on people, pull yourselves together and lets make this country great, just as the Founding Fathers wanted it to be!!!!

Far from showing that Californias Supreme Court was wrong to extend the right of marriage to gay people, the passage of Proposition 8 is a reminder of the crucial role that the courts play in protecting vulnerable groups from unfair treatment. Mormons should remember this, since you yourselves are vulnerable.

This matter is indeed about civil rights, but only one side of the issue is being heard. Opponents are saying that they are going to continue fighting for their "rights." A claimed right to marry whomever one wants is nowhere found in the California or U.S. Constitution. The right of equal protection does not suffice, because that provision has stood alongside the traditional definition of marriage for 140 years.

My question is, who is fighting for the specifically-enumerated, constitutional rights of those who voted for Proposition 8? Namely, the right to vote, the right to amend one's state constitution, and the right of free speech--the most basic civil rights a citizen has, rights that are specifically enumerated in the California Constitution and/or U.S. Constitution.

Opponents of Proposition 8 are ignoring and trampling on the most basic civil rights of those who made their voice heard on an issue of fundamental importance, the definition of marriage and family. California's citizens, through the exercise of specifically-enumerated civil rights, passed a constitutional amendment to reinstate the millenia-old definition of marriage. Those rights must be upheld. Otherwise, we have abandoned the rule of law in favor of a dictatorship of the judiciary.

TOTALLY Didn't expect this! NO ON H8!

"Far from showing that Californias Supreme Court was wrong to extend the right of marriage to gay people, the passage of Proposition 8 is a reminder of the crucial role that the courts play in protecting vulnerable groups from unfair treatment. Mormons should remember this, since you yourselves are vulnerable."

Mormons seem to forget that they were persecuted and unfairly treated in the past or were my seminary and BYU professors lying to me about that??

WE NEED TOLERANCE. GAY MARRIAGE DOES NOT THREATEN YOUR MARRIAGE.

WHILE I CAN EMBRACE MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GAY THERE IS ON THING I CAN NOT EMBRACE AND THAT IS GAY MARRIAGE. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY RELIGION OF MY OWN MARRIAGE IT HAS TO DO WITH MY BELIEVEING THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. MEM MARRYING MEN IS DOWN RIGHT RIDICULOUS. SAME FOR WOMEN. I WISH THE GAY COMMUNITY WOULD TAKE A GANDER AT THEMSELVES AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME. ANYTIME SOMEONE DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEM THEY ARE SHOT DOWN AND CALLED A BIGOT. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MINE. THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE SPOKEN THEY DO NOT WANT GAY MARRIAGES IN THEIR STATE. THE GAY COMMUNITY SHOULD REACT IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE WOULD EMBRACE THEM NOT IN A WAY THAT SHOWS THEY ARE DISPICABLE PEOPLE. LAY LOW AND IN TIME PEOPLE WILL COME TO ACCEPT YOUR WAYS.

Civil rights. Equality. Consenting adults. Anyone who uses these words to justify that gay marriage should be allowed should also realize the same arguements could be used for a polygamist. Is society really ready to grant a title of marriage based on an argument of consenting adults? If you open that door, get ready for a polygamist to want to be recognized. Consenting adults cannot be the arguement unless you are ready to accept the polygamist (or any other consenting adult situation) as well.

Step 1. Abhor
Step 2. Tolerate
Step 3. Accept

Food for thought.

the same argument can be made with racism.

first you abhor blacks (slavery)

then you tolerate them (but send to the back of the bus, separate facilities, schools, no interracial marriage, etc.)

finally you accept them and actually give them the priesthood, OMG.

my, what a slippery slope THAT was!!!!

YES, food for thought

This just gets worse and worse.
Or maybe creepier and creepier.
It's not quite clear from the article, but it looks like these "bloggers" are downloading lists of Proposition 8 "Yes" contributors from public Web sites, then "targeting" them for personalized harassment or boycotts. Many people will think that's bad.
It sounds more like effective.
Contribute enough money, and your name becomes public record. Some people have worried those lists might be abused; it seems they were right. Now, contributors have to wonder what's going to happen to them, personally, if their side wins; this time, or next.
Experts call that a "chilling effect."

The Nov. 11 DN article "Utah boycott likely..." quoted "blogger" remarks like "We need to send a message to Utah" and "Mormons crossed the line on this one" (see later comments there for more, and ANTI-boycott blog posts). Now they're "sending a message" to in-
state individual pro-P-8 contributors to fear retribution. That "crosses a line" too.

Gays/lesbians can be sympathetic victims of (very real) discrimination.
They can be scary boogeymen who "know where you live" and will get you if you cross them.
They can't be both.
And a few activists shouldn't decide which.

Add Leatherbys to the list of businesses that I will boycott.