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Published: Thursday, Nov. 13 2008 12:08 a.m. MST

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billybob

Marriage is not a fundamental right in the government of the United States (US) set up by the founding fathers, nor in the individual governments set up by the various states of the union. You will not find reference to it in the US Constitution nor the Bill of Rights. Marriage is a religious rite that has been adopted by the government of the US and the various states with the US. Those who think it is a right need to get their facts straight.

Amercenary

Speak quietly and carry a big stick.- Teddy Roosevelt(?) The voice of the majority of Californias has spoken not once but twice on this issue.

The great thing about America is that neo facism is still a live and well. The minority has the right to trump the majority and the good of the whole must answer to the need of the few. Now we wait to see how blind justice responds again to the voice of the people.

BOAD

I do not care if the gays and lesbians want to target me and my state with boycotts. That is their choice, and since we live in a free country, they can choose to do that. For the most part, having of bunch of gay and lesbian people not coming to my state to visit and do business is really no skin off my nose at all. I would just as soon not have to deal with them and their self-righteous smugness and feigned indignation. If the recent protests are at all indicative of the kind of people who will not be coming to Utah, or who will be leaving Utah in the near future, all I can say is bring it on!

Tom

It is sad that the Minority has the right to force their beliefs on the Majority but not the other way around. The people of California have voted for the marrage amemdment twice and the all holy judges reversed it the first time and will probably reverse it again. What good does it do the people to vote for something just to have the judges reverse their vote? Why don't the people who are in favor of same sex marrage move from California to Vermont and Mass. Their cause is law there. I am tired of having other minorities views and beliefs shown and force into my life.

Patience

Gay Rights activists like to compare their fight to other Civil Rights movements, but what a far cry they are from the peaceful, non-violent movements led by Martin Luther King, Jr. and Gandhi. Instead of having a loving, peaceful attitude, they shove their beliefs down people's throats and resort to violence. They should limit themselves to peaceful protests and general boycotts, and stop with the personal attacks, book burning (cross burning, anyone?), and vandalism. Blacks, women, and other minorities worked for sometimes centuries to get rights and the gay community seems to be demanding them overnight, creating embittered groups on both sides.

ramper

We always use the saying: "What would Jesus do?" Well, how about "how would Jesus vote?" Interesting thought don't you think?

John

I am active LDS, opposed proposition 8, refused to donate to support its passage and have now lost total sympathy to those in the gay rights comunity. If Proposition 8 had failed, you would not see this type of bigotry and idiocy on the part of those who support traditional marraige. It is very doubtful supporters of Proposition 8 would picket bathhouses in San Francisco or the Ellen Show. This is the second time a ban on same sex marraige has passed California -- not the first. Those gay rights activists need to realize that it wasn't one or two religions -- it was a majority of California citizens -- the LDS church is not the majority in California. Plain and simply this is anti-Mormon bigotry. I sure don't see them picketing African American churches and African American supporters who voted for Proposition 8.

Fibonacci

Who's pushing their "religious beliefs" on who? The homosexual radical militant agenda is showing it's true militant self.

re Tom

The law has been defined, If you don't like it move to some where where you can marry your man.
Get over it.
You never had the right

Free Agent

As the LDS Church often states, "choices have consequences". The church and its members chose to get involved in the political process on a red-hot issue (the church putting pressure on the members from the pulpit and even in temple recommend interviews), and ought to have anticipated the possible repercussions. I don't agree with the reactions, which are extreme, but the church took a stand and now needs to deal with the consequences.

Jeffrey Nielsen

How is this any different from the case of Jeffrey Nielsen, the BYU Professor who was fired for writing a letter to the SLTrib opposing his church's stance on gay marriage? The key here is knowing who your community is and not upsetting them. I would think the Musical Theater community is heavily gay, just as BYU is heavily LDS.

RE:Tom

Pretty short sighted aren't you? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to "fathom" the hate that's spewing from the exact group who is claiming to be hated. The LDS church did nothing except voice it's opinion...the same as multiple other religious organizations throughout California. When you want to protest them all equally and spray paing "bigot" and other illigal vandalism on their sacred edifices then come back and tell me about discrimination.

What a joke. Boycott Utah will ya? I'll bet Robert Redford and his "plastic" friends won't mind a bit when you shut down his anti-Mormon film festival.

Paul in MD

Prop 8 opponents are quick to say supporters are taking away a right. I've seen many say the LDS church should "stay out of our bedrooms." A ban on same-sex marriage doesn't alter what two people can do in private. All it does is define marriage.

My disagreeing with supporters of same-sex marriage doesn't make me homophobic either. That's a childish reaction.

A lot of people have expressed a desire to strip the LDS church of its tax-exempt status. There were other churches that supported Prop 8. Should they also be stripped of that status? How about the ones who fought against Prop 8? As long as only one church is being singled out, for voicing support of a ballot question on religious grounds, then the reaction IS bigotry. Churches have spoken out on political proposals, questions, etc, since the founding of this country. They are within their rights to do that. It's when they start devoting money to it (which the LDS church didn't) or force its members to fall in line (which the LDS church won't) that they cross the line.

Mom in MO

I have the right to my own opinion, and no one should have the right to punish me for it. Or try to bully me into changing it. And I find it disgusting that the people can VOTE and have their voices silenced by a judge who overrules the majority. Why bother voting if the courts are going to legalize whatever they want? Call evil good and good evil, and watch what happens.

thompson

Marriage is a fundamental right, Tom. I agree. But we're discussing the DEFINITION of marriage, and for right now most (practically all) societies define marriage as between a man and a woman. I believe it's because men and women can create human life through their physical relationship, and that's the reason that societies have created "marriage," to tie parents to their offspring. Regardless, all Americans are free to marry.

Paul in MD

The concept of separation of church and state has been twisted almost beyond recognition over the last 40 years. When this country was founded, its founders had been living under empires that had religious components in the government, imposing religious rules without representation of the people. Britain still reserves a number of Parliament seats for Church of England leadership.

Separation of church and state was intended to leave the government in the hands of the people, not the priests (rabbis, clerics, etc.). It was never intended to block the government from recognizing the good contributions religion has made, or keep it from listening to constructive input from all religious leaders, along side input from every other group.

Yes, history is full of examples where ruthless people used religion as an excuse to do horrible things - the Crusades come to mind. But if the extent of a church's involvement in politics is to say to its members "we think this is a good proposition, and we support it" they have done nothing more than act in good faith and as good citizens in a democracy.

By the way, I heard a lot of LDS were voting against Prop 8.

JG

I am in disbelief at people calling Utah a 'hate state'. If the liberals are so tolerant of diverse lifestyles, then why aren't they tolerant of ours??

Millie

When the vote has been taken the will of the people has spoken.
This is not about prejudice but voting by ones own conscience. The Religious folks have as much right to vote by conscience as the gays have to vote for preference. I don't care if they target me with their hate speech . . . it just shows a group that doesn't practice what they preach. It shows a group that is religiphobic with a hatred for those who won't agree with their point of view. The gays are showing a preference and love of hate speech to get their way. I don't wish them ill but if my child were tantruming I still wouldn't give in to them.

Boycott Gay Businesses

If and when this vote by THE PEOPLE of California is overturned, I will be boycotting any person and/or group that is affiliated with the gay movement. I will also protest in front of their meeting places until the PEOPLES VOTE is restored. It is time to stand up against these intolerant bigots and defend our children, families, religious freedoms, and right to vote.

DC

No one is taking away the rights of the minority. They still have the right to live together, have civil unions, etc. What is being discussed here is what is the definition of marriage. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Just because a minority wants it to be different doesn't make it different. I just think it is sad to see the minority "targeting" some individuals and some churches.

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