Comments about ‘Protests over Proposition 8 outcome getting personal’

Yes on 8 folks are now complaining that they are being targeted for boycotts? Well, what did you expect would happen when you take gay business but then turn around and try to take away their civil rights? Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost...

This can work the other way as well. How bout everyone who voted for prop 8 boycott businesses that gave money to oppose it and buy from businesses who helped support it. Obviously the majority was for it so we could do more damage than the vocal minority.

BTW, do the gay rights activists realize this is a democracy. I think I am going to protest in front of the homes of those who voted for Obama because I didn't vote for him.

I find it bizarre that someone would donate to a Gay Pride festival yet donate to strip those same people of rights. I can't even fathom how that reconciles. I'd suggest that business owner sit and have a think about how he really feels about gay people - and people in general.

Further, I don't understand the puzzlement of religious leaders who feel targeted by 'religious bigotry', when those same people urged their faithful to spend enormous amounts of time and money to push their religious beliefs on an unwilling minority through law. How did they think the minority would react? I mean, seriously?

And really, is it really true that in the US the rights of the majority trump the rights of the minority? The will, maybe, but not the rights. Our constitutions are designed precisely to protect the rights of minorities from unfriendly majorities. That's what "equal protection" means, and that's one of the reasons the judicial branch is there. Nobody gets to have the legal goodies at the expense of others. Marriage is a fundamental right - everybody gets it, or nobody gets it.

Sooner or later, everyone will get it.

Your logic is flawed. Your vote for president does not include taking the rights away from an entire group of people.

Prop 8 is nothing but a hate and fear motivated movement. You should be ashamed!!!

To Tom: There are some basics here worth repeating. You speak as though it were a foregone conclusion that marriage is a fundamental right. Marriage has never been a universal "right". Marriage as sanctioned by government was designed to benefit/protect women and children, and all rights inherent to marriage accrue to them. One of the basic problems of government sanctioning same-sex marriage is it also removes the last barrier to adoption by same-sex couples.

Children in homes without either a mother or a father have measurably poorer outcomes in life. In situations of divorce or death of a parent government can do little or nothing to prevent it. Here, though, it is possible to prevent this injustice where children who have no say in the matter grow up under a disadvantage. This is the true "equal protection" required.

BTW--your puzzlement RE a business that supports gay causes and still supports traditional marriage stems from your misconception that support of traditional marriage = hatred of gays. In most of our minds/hearts, there isn't a ghost of a connection. I'm supporting millennia of proven tradition and stable civilization, not acting out of hate or ignorance.

Surprised and puzzled? If you dive into the pool, don't be surprised and puzzled when you get wet!

What a bunch of hypocritical hate mongers. The fay community is targeting one religion that decided to stand up for what it believes in. The majority of voters were not Mormon. They raised more money to try and buy public acceptance of perversion and destroy the definition of marriage (a religious institution the state recognized and adopted civil benefits for) and they lost. Twice. Take civil unions and leave the religious groups out of it and marriage as well. Marriage is religious don't step on their toes and there will be no fight. And by the way to all the morons who don't understand the constitution it says nothing about marriage, nothing therefore it is not a constitutional right. This same bigoted group only tolerant of their own views would be touting democracy if they had one. Since they didn't they throw it out the window and rant and rave like children who didn't get their way. America is not yet completely desensitized to perversion yet, so CA along with 40 other states have passed similar laws. Gays don't want equality they want special priveledge and like a bad virus to conquer and subvert more to their cause.

This is just too delicious!

Religious bigotry being justified on the grounds of gender-identity bigotry.

I get the message -- bigotry is OK, so long as it's my flavor of bigotry.

whatever happened to scenarios like democracy,voting for results,and acceptance of results.Many African American entities voted...Catholics voted...non denominational Christian groups voted...singling out Mormons is a low blow scenario of conviently targeting a group akin to Hitler targeting Jews in Nazi Germany for the nation's economic issues

Tom, he didn't vote to strip "those same people" of their rights.
You miss the point.
Calif has a civil union law that grants gays the rights of a married couple.

By donating to the Gay Pride festival he was showing AMAZING tolerance to a position he doesn't agree with. Using tolerance here in its original defintion as well. Not the redefined one that means hating and calling people names that donm't agree with you.

He voted to preserve the traditional definition of marriage. That is between a man and a woman. One in which consumationm of the marriage is required (not possible with gay partners). The standard, traditional definition has existed from the fisrt man and woman.

Funny, the only fundamental rights I recall from my days in high school government class are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don't see health care, housing, education, marriage, are a whole host of things liberals have since declared are fundamental rights. Does Prop 8 threaten anyone with the loss of life? Is anyone suddenly unable to, say, leave their house and go wherever they wish because Prop 8 passed? Does Prop 8 prevent anyone from purchasing what they want, taking whatever job they want, sleep with whomever they want? The only thing that Prop 8 does that is even remotely like that is state that a particular institution is reserved for a man and a woman. It does nothing to repeal the state's law that allows gay couples to name one another the beneficiaries of each other's wills, life insurance policies, and a whole host of other "advantages" that heterosexual couple enjoy by virtue of being married. The reaction from the "losers" of the Prop 8 initiative is wholly unreasonable and childish. Fundamental rights have not been stripped from them.

We get to see the uncivil actions of those who throw dangerous tantrums for their civil" rights!... and they want to adopt the children of those they call the "breeders". When is the public going to fully understand the foul agenda of this warped group.

Two crazy things about this. First, protesting like this changes no ones mind and they're better off helping those in need than carrying on like little crying kids like this day after day. You lost, get over it, it's part of life.
Second, they are defending a way of life few people agree with and it's a life that will never give them true happiness because they can NEVER have children. Why choose to live your life like that? To each his own.

The unintended consequence of record numbers of African American voters turning out to vote in the presidential election, was that they overwhelmingly voted for prop 8. The LDS church is an easy target in these protests, but the members of the church in California do not have enough votes to pass the proposition. Millions and Millions of non-LDS voted for the proposition, and are not being targeted. I do not see large scale protests at African American businesses or churches. It seems a little inconsistent.

Yes for proposition 8 :)

It's amusing to hear that the gay crowd threatens to boycott (gasp!!) the Sundance Film Festival! Wouldn't that be hilarious? The Sundance Film Festival, which harbours all things homosexual, gets ruined because the gay crowd boycotts it. LOL

Mariage comes from the latin "maritus" and is defined in any dictionary across the planet as, "the legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife". If gay activists and the press accuse supporters of this definition of being "bigots", they are advocating preference over principle. As former LDS Apostle Neal A. Maxwell once warned, "if everything is a matter of preference and nothing a matter of principle, why not put Dracula in charge with the Blood Bank?" We are indeed dealing here with a group who intends to suck marriage from its vital substance...

I think Tom hit the nail on the head. There are times when an election process is the proper way of determining a law but in most instances laws should be determined by a set group of people who can overlook bigotry that a common collection of people cannot. Its no wonder that gay marriages got banned in California, more than likely they would be banned in every state in the Union if we just took a vote on it. If we were to take a vote in say the 1960s era, southern states over what freedoms we should or shouldnt allow African Americans to have Id probably have to say that wed still be stuck in the same position that we were in at that time. This is one of those times where a vote is not the right way to settle the dispute but rather a time where the Supreme Court should decide. Im going to laugh long and hard if thats the way the coin lands after reading about how much time and money the Proposition 8 supporters put into trying to outlaw gay marriages.

My anger is being stoked against those who try to silence anyone simply for saying something that they disagree with.

Protestors have a right to -lawfully- protest, and those who voted in ways the protestors dislike have a right to do so.

But, those who protest against voters are simply discrediting themselves within a democratic process.

The "No on 8" folks just don't get it. It was not about "hate" and "taking away rights".

The "rights" are already there with civil unions. What you want is "respect" and the ability to teach our children that "gay marriage is equal to heteosexual marriage" (Lexington, MA) and be able to sue doctors, photographers, and other professionals who don't agree with accepting your lifestyle. And take away the tax exemptions (as in New Jersey) if a church doesn't adopt same sex marriages as valid. Whatever happened to free speech and freedom of religion?

It all seems like one-way tolerance. "We (the No on 8 side) can boycott your businesses, but don't dare to even vote your conscience or we'll go after you." Just yesterday, the Californis Musical Theater director of 24 years was forced from his job.