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Scott Anderson | 10:53 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
It is refreshing that some are willing to actually demonstrate their stated
beliefs by specific and direct action. Words that imply support for reducing
abortions have no real meaning unless opportunities to support the life of
unprotected babies is persued. Our actions to promote protection of life or wash
our hands and plead that the decision is above our pay grade clearly demonstrate
which side we fall on. If we vote to seat a candidate that will not support
protection of our weakest and most valuable citizens then we should not be
suprised and complain when we lose our own protections. When a politician
declares that he is for something and has a 100% voting record showing the
opposite it should not be a surprise when none of his promises are kept when in
office. The most accurate measure of a politician is his voting record not his
recently declared conversion. We are known by the company we keep and will tend
to support similar people. I prefer to be known to support life and despise
those who demonstrate an afinity for radical hate types.
Nice try | 10:55 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Why do conservatives lie thinking they won't loose respect and
credibility?
"Don't forget Obama voted for infanticide by leading the effort in Illinois to not give babies who survive a botched abortion medical care."
There was a law in place in Illinois since 1972 that has required doctors to try to save any babies alive after abortions. The reason Obama voted against this bill: Utahans won't comprehend this reason, was to save the money from having a new law challenged in the courts. The existing law already had been challenged and met the court's requirement.
Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath requiring them to intervene to save lives.
Stop with the lies by omission.
"Don't forget Obama voted for infanticide by leading the effort in Illinois to not give babies who survive a botched abortion medical care."
There was a law in place in Illinois since 1972 that has required doctors to try to save any babies alive after abortions. The reason Obama voted against this bill: Utahans won't comprehend this reason, was to save the money from having a new law challenged in the courts. The existing law already had been challenged and met the court's requirement.
Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath requiring them to intervene to save lives.
Stop with the lies by omission.
Catholics are extremists | 10:55 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Here are some of the things that Catholics believe about abortion which are
directly opposed to the doctrines and policies of the LDS Church:
"The act is murder, and it is always murder, and there are no circumstances, whatever, in which murder is a legitimate moral option. The deliberate, directly intended killing of an innocent life is a sin that screams to heaven for vengeance. Always, in all circumstances, and with no exceptions."
If a mother's life is threatened it is still murder and they believe that the death of the unborn child screams for vengeance but there is no mention of a the screams for vengeance of mother who dies during pregnancy. In Catholic dogma her life has inherently less value than that of an unborn child.
"Inasmuch as abortion is the willful taking of the life of the unborn, we are not permitted to do it even to save the life of the mother."
So it's okay for the unborn child to kill the mother but it is not permitted for the mother of the unborn child to defend herself. There's no self-defense in the eyes of Catholics except when its a gun pointed at them.
"The act is murder, and it is always murder, and there are no circumstances, whatever, in which murder is a legitimate moral option. The deliberate, directly intended killing of an innocent life is a sin that screams to heaven for vengeance. Always, in all circumstances, and with no exceptions."
If a mother's life is threatened it is still murder and they believe that the death of the unborn child screams for vengeance but there is no mention of a the screams for vengeance of mother who dies during pregnancy. In Catholic dogma her life has inherently less value than that of an unborn child.
"Inasmuch as abortion is the willful taking of the life of the unborn, we are not permitted to do it even to save the life of the mother."
So it's okay for the unborn child to kill the mother but it is not permitted for the mother of the unborn child to defend herself. There's no self-defense in the eyes of Catholics except when its a gun pointed at them.
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To first Anonymous! | 10:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Barack is definitely FOR abortion. He has repeatedly stated so. He said at one
meeting at least that if either of his daughters got pregnant he would not want
them to be trapped because of a mistake!
He also worked against outlawing partial-birth abortions.
So - he is FOR abortion.
He also worked against outlawing partial-birth abortions.
So - he is FOR abortion.
ron | 10:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
to first amend. If you believe in God and I hope that you do, would you say
the same thing in his presence knowing full well they are His laws not man made.
He is perfect, His laws are perfect, not man made. If you have the opportunity,
get close to Him and He will help you to understand the why's and
where's of this issue. If we could move away from the earthly (whats in it
for me) attitude and accept the Godly (whats in it for me) attitude our feelings
may be tempered somewhat. Good luck.
Mark B | 11:01 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
But, Chris, I don't think Catholic bishops approach the government as an
influence or pressure group. It's not like the NRA or the drug industry.
It's more like, "Hey, boy. Listen up. Forget everything you've
ever heard about abortion or the Constitution or any of that intellectual
garbage. Forget what other groups, including other churches, say. This is what
God wants. No abortion. Period. No premarital sex. Period. No masturbation,
either, and as little conversation about these things as possible. It
doesn't matter what we know or don't about the subject. He sent us to
tell you. We command millions of votes, and we KNOW you understand that, right?
Just do as we say, and we can stay friends. Otherwise, there could be trouble
since, frankly, we don't like your kind to be in office, understand? So if
you know what's good for you, you'll see things our way."
I've never been part of, promoted or encouraged an abortion, but it's we, individual people, who must retain control on this very personal issue.
I've never been part of, promoted or encouraged an abortion, but it's we, individual people, who must retain control on this very personal issue.
Oh Please | 11:01 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
As Obama says, Nobody is "pro-abortion." Certainly not me. But say
it's prohibited--then what? Will policemen stand outside doctors'
offices asking women why they've made an appointment? Will all IUDs be
confiscated? Will doctors go to jail? Will women go to jail? Will women
who've been raped get to spend 9 months carrying their assailants'
children? Will doctors be helpless to terminate pregnancies with gross
deformities? Will we have the Utah State Abortion Control Police haunting
hospitals and medical clinics? Sounds pleasant...very moral.
AMFM | 11:02 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Response to blogger First Ammendment: "Just because civil policy is
different from... religious policy, it does not mean that your religious beliefs
are under attack." Etc.
R: Then why do others feel that their beliefs are under attack when civil policy if different from their policy (ie. pro-abortion)?
R: Civil policy has a long history, and has only recently (historically speaking) been forced into deviation (change). And forced is an accurate word.
R: You are right in that religious freedom gives us all the right to not practice any religion. But when civil laws interfere with religious practices, such as caring for the sick, and performing marriages; when civil laws threaten to force opposing changes in religious practices, then religious beliefs are under attack -- threatened, not yet destroyed. It would be stupid and naive for Christians to ignore these threats, "sit back", and let their religious freedoms be destroyed. The flip side of the constitution is Christians cannot not be forced by law to perform abortions, assisted suicides, or homosexual marriages.
R: Then why do others feel that their beliefs are under attack when civil policy if different from their policy (ie. pro-abortion)?
R: Civil policy has a long history, and has only recently (historically speaking) been forced into deviation (change). And forced is an accurate word.
R: You are right in that religious freedom gives us all the right to not practice any religion. But when civil laws interfere with religious practices, such as caring for the sick, and performing marriages; when civil laws threaten to force opposing changes in religious practices, then religious beliefs are under attack -- threatened, not yet destroyed. It would be stupid and naive for Christians to ignore these threats, "sit back", and let their religious freedoms be destroyed. The flip side of the constitution is Christians cannot not be forced by law to perform abortions, assisted suicides, or homosexual marriages.
EYE OPENER | 11:04 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The data are appalling. In World War I, more than 8 million military fatalities
occurred. In World War II, more than 22 million servicemen and women died.
Together, these two wars, covering portions of 14 years, cost the lives of at
least 30 million soldiers worldwide. That figure does not include the millions
of civilian casualties.
These data, however, are DWARFED by the toll of another war that claims more casualties annually than did World War I and World War II combined. Worldwide reports indicate that more than 40 million abortions are performed per year.
This war called abortion is a war on the defenseless and the voiceless. It is a war on the unborn. This war is being waged globally. Ironically, civilized societies that have generally placed safeguards on human life have now passed laws that sanction this practice."
These data, however, are DWARFED by the toll of another war that claims more casualties annually than did World War I and World War II combined. Worldwide reports indicate that more than 40 million abortions are performed per year.
This war called abortion is a war on the defenseless and the voiceless. It is a war on the unborn. This war is being waged globally. Ironically, civilized societies that have generally placed safeguards on human life have now passed laws that sanction this practice."
Good idea.... | 11:05 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I have a good idea...
If you are against abortion, then don't have one!!! yea now we can all get along.
Another good idea is that (not mine) would be that religion should stay out of government. It would be great if all of you religous people could practice your beliefs and stop trying to legislate your beliefs on others. It is ironic that is one of the founding principles of this country yet all those who practice their religous freedom don't quite understand it. The framers of our constitution got it right when they separated church and state. If certain religions can't live up to that and insist on having political influence, then they should pay taxes.
If you are against abortion, then don't have one!!! yea now we can all get along.
Another good idea is that (not mine) would be that religion should stay out of government. It would be great if all of you religous people could practice your beliefs and stop trying to legislate your beliefs on others. It is ironic that is one of the founding principles of this country yet all those who practice their religous freedom don't quite understand it. The framers of our constitution got it right when they separated church and state. If certain religions can't live up to that and insist on having political influence, then they should pay taxes.
Yea! | 11:07 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Yea for the Catholic Church. I have read a lot of defensiveness from us LDS on
why the Gay Rights people are attacking us and not other churches for their pro
Prop 8 stance. Have you ever seen how the Catholic Church is attacked on TV?
There are always shows depicting them as pedofiles, right-wing wackos,
anti-abortion felons, etc. They are brave and correct for standing up for what
is right. They also defend the LDS church a lot.
Obama can 't sit on fence | 11:10 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Obama got away with fence sitting during the campaign but not more. He will have
to take a stand on abortion and other moral issues. My guess is he will follow
the left wing crazies who funded his campaign. If he does follow the left wing
he will be a one term president. If he tries to gravitate toward the middle as
Clinton did the radical left will come unglued and pull their support for him
which will be BIG problems for re-election in 4 years as well. I would say Obama
has a BIG problem. By the way, good for the Catholic Church for calling Biden
and Obama on their abortion record. I hope the Catholics keep turning up the
heat on these guys.
@ Tired of being judged!!!! | 11:16 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
You have every right to your opinion and you have every right to state your
opinion - you do not, however, have the right to legislate your opinion -
especially if it is based on religious dogma that contradicts with my religious
dogma!
Woman's Right? Her Body? | 11:16 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Well it was her body until she (in most cases) willingly slept with a member or
the opposite sex. Now it's no longer just her body. There's is an
unborn person in there that should be granted the same civil rights as everyone
else. I'm sorry when the mother did the act she forfeits her right to a
non-pregnant life. If you're old enough and responsible enough to do the
deed, your old enough, and responsible to pay the consequences.
Hey all you liberals, you sure love to be the voice for the little guy right? To speak up for those that can't? Well there's a bunch of little guys and gals with no voice as of yet that need you. What about their civil rights? It wasn't their choice to end up in that womb. It wasn't a result of any act on their part. How can you deny them their civil rights because it's inconvenient for the mother? If she doesn't want the kid fine (ADOPTION). Women, you have the right to say no to sex. When you say yes, regardless of preventive measures, you take the chance of getting pregnant. Deal with it responsibly. Let babies Live!!!
Hey all you liberals, you sure love to be the voice for the little guy right? To speak up for those that can't? Well there's a bunch of little guys and gals with no voice as of yet that need you. What about their civil rights? It wasn't their choice to end up in that womb. It wasn't a result of any act on their part. How can you deny them their civil rights because it's inconvenient for the mother? If she doesn't want the kid fine (ADOPTION). Women, you have the right to say no to sex. When you say yes, regardless of preventive measures, you take the chance of getting pregnant. Deal with it responsibly. Let babies Live!!!
Cody | 11:17 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Any one that thinks the LDS church positions is on the "pro-choice"
side, needs to re read last monthe Ensign, Russell M Nelson wrote an excelent
article condeming abortion, and Legalized abortion.
New Yorker | 11:17 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Go get 'em. Hopefully this is the first of many things to come to yobama.
He is going to have start taking a position on something. The party is over, mr.
yobama. Not everyone wants to continue throwing lollipops and rose to you.
Killo-Watt | 11:27 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
One of the tough things about life is that we are Forced to make judgments and
choices. We make a judgment/choice when we condemn a murderer to death, we make
choices of freedom or enslavement when we participate in military campaigns and
yes sometimes we even have to make a judgment to save one life or another. We
have rules and laws to help when such choices are required, no one alone decides
these cases. That said the unborn child is a real person at any stage of
it's development and deserves as much dignity and support as any living
being. There are only two circumstances where life of the unborn person should
be weighed. It is morally, civilly and lawfully wrong to make that judgment
under any other conditions. Period.
K | 11:35 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Birth control in most forms contain abortification in them. It is about trusting
God if you engage in relations with your spouse to accept life. You can abstain
during the fertile time if you have grave reason to prevent children. It is
about respecting God and life.
NFP is more effective than artificial methods of contraception.
NFP is more effective than artificial methods of contraception.
Official LDS Policy on Abortion | 11:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
In today's society, abortion has become a common practice, defended by
deceptive arguments. Latter-day prophets have denounced abortion, referring to
the Lord's declaration, "Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything
like unto it" (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform,
encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Church members who encourage an
abortion in any way may be subject to Church discipline.
Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.
Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.
You have a right | 11:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
to believe as you want and I have mine. STOP trying to change that. It will
not change. Actually keep trying and show how foolish it looks. That shows how
ridiculous making people believe as you do really is. Keep it coming...it shows
the "true colors" of it.
Utah Dem | 12:16 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Fortunately in my life I have never (yet) had to deal with the abortion issue in
my family. But I believe there are most certainly situations in which it is a
viable option for the birth mother. There are a number of women that choose
abortion just because she became pregnant and truly did not want that child and
did not want to even carry the child to term to allow him/her to be adopted -
those are the ones that will stand on judgment day and receive whatever the
Savior metes out to them.
As a former Catholics - okay Bishops where have you been for the past 30+ years on this issue? What, you only speak up when we have an incoming president - ridiclous.
As a former Catholics - okay Bishops where have you been for the past 30+ years on this issue? What, you only speak up when we have an incoming president - ridiclous.
Your vote kills my wife, you die | 12:20 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Get Real,
"The argument that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body is ridiculous. She made the decisions that led to the pregnancy, if she did not want to be pregnant, she already had the opportunity to make that choice. The other issue here is if she has rights then so does the baby. When she had sex she made her decision."
Your argument is ridiculous and you have no business in the personal decisions of a woman and her family and if she dies because of your personal opinions on this subject her family should have a right to take your vote and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Contrary to what you may think everything is up for your vote or your discussion.
"As soon as that fetus is conceived it is a living thing and has just as much right to live as the mother who is obviously irresponsible."
You are not her God and her master and that is final voter. Got it voter? Do you understand that voter or do you want to vote on what my family eats for diner too voter.
"The argument that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body is ridiculous. She made the decisions that led to the pregnancy, if she did not want to be pregnant, she already had the opportunity to make that choice. The other issue here is if she has rights then so does the baby. When she had sex she made her decision."
Your argument is ridiculous and you have no business in the personal decisions of a woman and her family and if she dies because of your personal opinions on this subject her family should have a right to take your vote and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Contrary to what you may think everything is up for your vote or your discussion.
"As soon as that fetus is conceived it is a living thing and has just as much right to live as the mother who is obviously irresponsible."
You are not her God and her master and that is final voter. Got it voter? Do you understand that voter or do you want to vote on what my family eats for diner too voter.
Mc | 12:24 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I wish all those who keep suggesting that religions who express political views
should be taxed would just do a little homework. Religions have the right to
express political opinions without losing tax exempt status. They can wield as
much influence as they want on issues important to them. They just can't
campaign for a particular candidate, though some do get away with that (like
evangelical churches that had Huckabee speak from the pulpit in Iowa). You may
not like it anymore than I like the influence that groups like Planned
Parenthood and the ACLU have, but you can't do anything about it.
Tell 6 yr old to call wambulance | 12:30 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Oh Please,
"As Obama says, Nobody is "pro-abortion." Certainly not me. But say it's prohibited--then what? Will policemen stand outside doctors' offices asking women why they've made an appointment? Will all IUDs be confiscated? Will doctors go to jail? Will women go to jail? Will women who've been raped get to spend 9 months carrying their assailants' children? Will doctors be helpless to terminate pregnancies with gross deformities? Will we have the Utah State Abortion Control Police haunting hospitals and medical clinics? Sounds pleasant...very moral."
I can hear them now telling the grieving father and children of a woman who died during pregnancy. Sorry your mother had to die but we voted and our right to vote is so damn important to us and that is all that matters. She wasn't able to convince a Judge or jury that her life was actually at risk. Now that we have destroyed your family you can cry.
I can hear them say to the 6 year old who lost their mother "waaaaaah, call the waaaambulance. I get to tuck my children into bed but your mother will never get to tuck you into bed.
"As Obama says, Nobody is "pro-abortion." Certainly not me. But say it's prohibited--then what? Will policemen stand outside doctors' offices asking women why they've made an appointment? Will all IUDs be confiscated? Will doctors go to jail? Will women go to jail? Will women who've been raped get to spend 9 months carrying their assailants' children? Will doctors be helpless to terminate pregnancies with gross deformities? Will we have the Utah State Abortion Control Police haunting hospitals and medical clinics? Sounds pleasant...very moral."
I can hear them now telling the grieving father and children of a woman who died during pregnancy. Sorry your mother had to die but we voted and our right to vote is so damn important to us and that is all that matters. She wasn't able to convince a Judge or jury that her life was actually at risk. Now that we have destroyed your family you can cry.
I can hear them say to the 6 year old who lost their mother "waaaaaah, call the waaaambulance. I get to tuck my children into bed but your mother will never get to tuck you into bed.
K | 12:46 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The Catholic church also wishes to extend help to those women who choose
abortion and are now suffering because of that decision. Project Rachel.
Abortion hurts women. The church cares about all involved in this issue.
I for one can't imagine an abortion helping a woman who already survived a rape. To then turn her into a grieving parent just doesn't make sense.
I for one can't imagine an abortion helping a woman who already survived a rape. To then turn her into a grieving parent just doesn't make sense.
Lewt | 1:44 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I don't suppose we'll hear from the extreme pro-lifers as to what the
law (and you'd need 50 of 'em) SHOULD be when an abortion is detected
and convicted. Who all goes to jail? Mother? Father? Parents of minors?
Performers? And for how long? What's big enough deterrent in a
"free" society? And just whose approval would be required to get an
abortion in an emergency? Are you ready for the added law enforcement costs? The
extra prisons? What about repeat offenders? Just what kind of level of absolutes
would make you most happy?
Their choice: mother must die | 2:48 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Lewt,
"I don't suppose we'll hear from the extreme pro-lifers as to what the law (and you'd need 50 of 'em) SHOULD be when an abortion is detected and convicted. Who all goes to jail? Mother? Father? Parents of minors? Performers? And for how long?"
In some countries where the majority are Catholics the death penalty is considered a serious option to address the problem of abortion.
If you have an abortion to save your life you are going to die anyways so why not just die on the operating table with your unborn child. That will save society the cost of having to kill you or put you in prison.
"What's big enough deterrent in a "free" society?"
Ask Catholic theologians who believe that the death penalty is the appropriate deterrent.
"And just whose approval would be required to get an abortion in an emergency?"
The only approval anyone will need is that of their owners and masters. Why bother persuading people to do the right thing when you are their god.
Every minute a woman dies as a result of pregnancy and yet these cold-blooded killers believe that they should decide who lives and dies.
"I don't suppose we'll hear from the extreme pro-lifers as to what the law (and you'd need 50 of 'em) SHOULD be when an abortion is detected and convicted. Who all goes to jail? Mother? Father? Parents of minors? Performers? And for how long?"
In some countries where the majority are Catholics the death penalty is considered a serious option to address the problem of abortion.
If you have an abortion to save your life you are going to die anyways so why not just die on the operating table with your unborn child. That will save society the cost of having to kill you or put you in prison.
"What's big enough deterrent in a "free" society?"
Ask Catholic theologians who believe that the death penalty is the appropriate deterrent.
"And just whose approval would be required to get an abortion in an emergency?"
The only approval anyone will need is that of their owners and masters. Why bother persuading people to do the right thing when you are their god.
Every minute a woman dies as a result of pregnancy and yet these cold-blooded killers believe that they should decide who lives and dies.
Wow, what arrogance | 2:59 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
K,
"The Catholic church also wishes to extend help to those women who choose abortion and are now suffering because of that decision. Project Rachel. Abortion hurts women. The church cares about all involved in this issue."
If the Church cared about "all involved in this issue" it wouldn't take a position that abortion is wrong even when the life of the mother is threatened and beatify women who die by choosing to not have an abortion and give birth to their child.
"I for one can't imagine an abortion helping a woman who already survived a rape. To then turn her into a grieving parent just doesn't make sense."
What you can imagine isn't relevant since you are not the same person as women who have been raped nor are two rape victims the same.
"The Catholic church also wishes to extend help to those women who choose abortion and are now suffering because of that decision. Project Rachel. Abortion hurts women. The church cares about all involved in this issue."
If the Church cared about "all involved in this issue" it wouldn't take a position that abortion is wrong even when the life of the mother is threatened and beatify women who die by choosing to not have an abortion and give birth to their child.
"I for one can't imagine an abortion helping a woman who already survived a rape. To then turn her into a grieving parent just doesn't make sense."
What you can imagine isn't relevant since you are not the same person as women who have been raped nor are two rape victims the same.
My daughter | 4:19 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
My daugher said it better than I can: tell the govt. to get its hands off my
uterus.
Yes, that's my freedom loving daughter!!!!
Yes, that's my freedom loving daughter!!!!
someone | 4:22 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Someone tell the Mormons and the Catholics that they lost the election. All of
their maneuvering and sneakiness did not get them into the seat of power. Obama
and the secular word, and the thinking people, won this election.
Go away you power brokers. You lost, thank God.
Go away you power brokers. You lost, thank God.
biology 101 | 4:22 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The argument that a woman has the right to do whatever to her body, thus making
abortion something ok to do, is bogus. Once that fetus is conceived it is no
longer the mother's body. It has a different genetic make-up as soon as
that sperm fertilizes the egg. It is a separate entity at that moment. The
mother isn't removing a part of her body, she is removing another person
she allowed to be there by choosing to have sex. She has no right to terminate
that new person (except for a very few situations. very few.).
Good job Catholic church for sticking with what you believe is morally right. I'm right there with you.
Good job Catholic church for sticking with what you believe is morally right. I'm right there with you.
Lewt | 4:56 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Thanks, 2:48. Now I know what made the Middle Ages such a "hit". Oh,
for the good old days when life was nasty, brutish and short.
First Amendment | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
To Ron - The question is not whether or not I believe in God - the question is
whether or not I believe in the laws of this land and whether or not I am
willing to extend to others the rights I demand.
We do not live in a theocracy - no religion has the right to pressure the government to conform the nation to their teachings.
We do not live in a theocracy - no religion has the right to pressure the government to conform the nation to their teachings.
Antifamily | 11:17 p.m. Nov. 12, 2008
It isn't planned parenthood that helps unwed or struggling mom's.
It's the prolife organizations provided places to live and child care and
baby necessities and mom support groups and free ultrasounds and pregnancy
testing, drivers to doctor appointments, adoption information, etc... Try going
to a prolife crisis pregnancy organization and see what they do. Also there is
WIC, state health insurance for kids, welfare, housing, reduced child care, tax
credits, public school.....
And yes, I have adopted. We did so because we desired to parent. I am prolife and profamily. People shouldn't adopt for a cause. Even pro-choice people adopt.
Very few people who consider abortion and later decide to have the baby place. 1% of never married women place children for adoption US. People who abort do so because they don't want to pregnant. It's got nothing to do with the raising of the child. I don't buy the arguement that there are many abortions because people aren't there to adopt and there would be less if every prolifer adopted.
Making it illegal won't stop all abortions so no matter the legal situation there is much work to do supporting women in crisis pregnancies to choose life.
And yes, I have adopted. We did so because we desired to parent. I am prolife and profamily. People shouldn't adopt for a cause. Even pro-choice people adopt.
Very few people who consider abortion and later decide to have the baby place. 1% of never married women place children for adoption US. People who abort do so because they don't want to pregnant. It's got nothing to do with the raising of the child. I don't buy the arguement that there are many abortions because people aren't there to adopt and there would be less if every prolifer adopted.
Making it illegal won't stop all abortions so no matter the legal situation there is much work to do supporting women in crisis pregnancies to choose life.
K | 7:29 a.m. Nov. 13, 2008
Oops. That last Antifamily was meant to read to Antifamily.
Loretta | 4:09 a.m. Nov. 15, 2008
A wise priest once told me that we Catholics have the fullness of truth through
revelation (the public phase of which closed with the death of the last
Apostle), but do not have an exclusive franchise to truth. It is our call to
share this truth, in season and out of season.
Hopefully many people throughout the world will join us in truth in standing against the evils of abortion, stem cell research on sacrificed fetal tissues, and other reproductive evils. The Church has been teaching the mind of Christ as expressed to the Apostles (and held fast to by authentic teachers ever after) since the first generation of believers. If you have doubt, google on the word "Didache" and see what comes up.
Bishops of America, go for it.
As a bare minimum perhaps we can get the anti-life planks out of the Democratic platform. As for those who will not accept the teaching, it's time to get the excommunications rolling. No matter who.
Hopefully many people throughout the world will join us in truth in standing against the evils of abortion, stem cell research on sacrificed fetal tissues, and other reproductive evils. The Church has been teaching the mind of Christ as expressed to the Apostles (and held fast to by authentic teachers ever after) since the first generation of believers. If you have doubt, google on the word "Didache" and see what comes up.
Bishops of America, go for it.
As a bare minimum perhaps we can get the anti-life planks out of the Democratic platform. As for those who will not accept the teaching, it's time to get the excommunications rolling. No matter who.
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Bishop Leonard P. Blair, left, of Toledo, Ohio, and Archbishop George H. Niederauer, of San Francisco and formerly of Salt Lake City, speak at a news conference Tuesday during the semiannual meeting of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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