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You need to study government. This isn't Vatican City. Our president can't mandate laws. I'm sure if Obama could wave his magic wand, there would be no abortions. We live in a nation governed by laws.
I would direct the Catholic bishops to the First Amendment of the Constitution and to the history of this country.
Just because civil policy is different from Catholic (or Mormon or any other) religious policy, it does not mean that your religious beliefs are under attack.
When you try to force your religious beliefs into the law, then my Constitutionally guaranteed civil rights are under attack.
This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom - don't for one minute think I am going to sit by and let you destroy my country and tear apart my Constitution because your religion disagrees with it.
Thanks to our Catholic Bishops for their courageous stand to protect the sanctity of life.
Great article. I still don't understand why so many LDS members and Christians supported and voted for Obama. His policy on a Abortion made me want to run the other way! I think a lot of people didn't that the time to study this guys voting record. He was a rock star and everyone jumped aboard! Now many of those that voted for him are nervous!
Here we go. The religious right gets a foot in the door with Prop. 8 and now they think they can force public policy in other matters. First the LDS church now the catholics think they can legally tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Religious bigotry my foot! When will people get it? Churches need to stay out of public policy, PERIOD!
Abortion wasn't even an issue for the Presidential election and really hasn't been an issue in politics outside the fear mongering the Republicans use to keep voters punching straight ticket. Yet if you ask the average Utahn, they think it was number two behind the economy.
I have been astounded at the public's ignorance on our next president. I have students who believe the end of the world is coming and who are genuinely terrified what is going to happen.
Of course we here in Utah dont care about this..after all it isn't gays is it? With all the hoopla over prop 8 we didn't hear one word about prop 4. Funny (sad?)
Wow, a church where the bishops and church members are allowed to openly discuss their disagreements with their church leaders on hot button issues like abortion without being excommunicated what a novel idea.
I am pleased with the Catholic Church and their stand on abortion. I back them 100%. May all the
churches get involved in this. We need to stop the murder of babies. God is not pleased with this. I did not vote for Obama because of his abortion and gay marriage belief's. We need to all stand tall and
firm in our church's to stop the madness. I am not a
Catholic but I will stand with them on this issue.
I am glad to hear the Catholic church taking a stance on this important issue. It is time someone stand up and protect the unborn. I can understand abortion in the circumstances of rape, incest, and potential death to the mother due to physical health problems. Other than that, if you allowed yourself or someone happened to get pregnant, face the consequences and give birth to the child you created. Then you can give the child to a couple who is desperately waiting to adopt.
I'd bet the amount of stuff like this that lands on a new president elects' plate is horrendous. Everyone has an axe to grind. I hope obama stays focused. We have been witness here lately to the division that comes from taking away the rights of others.
To All the LDS who stand in "Testimony Meeting" and say, "This is the ONLY True Church", as a LDS I TESTIFY YOUR WRONG!!! ALL CHURCHES HAVE SOME TRUTH IN THEM! Here in this case the Catholic Church stands for Truth, ABORTION IS WRONG, and it is A SERIOUS SIN! ABORTION=MURDER! Looking at it from a Jewish standpoint it is Genocide of potentially a whole UNIVERSE of Life if you know your teachings of the Koballah, and if you know your True Christian Doctrines, you know exactly how to true that is in an eternal realm. My hat is off and I salute the Catholic Bishops on this one!
As far as my opening statement, All churches have truth, and all churches have good and goodness in them, and VERY GOOD PEOPLE in them. The fact that the Church Jesus began has been restored in the last days is considered by Latter-day Saints to be the only "Living" Church, meaning continually recieving revelation from God, now that is a true statement, as it lives and breathes with Prophet's and Apostles as did the church of old, and as does it's restored church in the last days. Thank you Catholic Bishops!
No president has done a thing about changing the abortion law since it was put into place.
Stop worrying about it.
Try doing something about the 50,000 children dying daily around the world from starvation, no medical help, and killing.
That would matter to God.
abortion number one, security number 2, economy number 3. life is more impotant than money. It's too bad so many have such misplaced priorities.
Congrats to the Catholic church for taking a stand. The Catholic church isn't telling anyone what they can or cannot do in the public policy arena, but they do have every right to tell the members of their church what they can and cannot do and still be Catholic. As soon as they start down the path of apeasement, they lose any moral standing. Maybe a high-profile excommunication (pro-abortion queen nancy or pro-abortion Joe Biden) would firmly set what you can and cannot do and still be a Catholic - not what you can and cannot do as an elected official. If you have to separate from who you are once in elected office, you are a phony.
It is a new day in this country. Our country has taken a dark turn. All people of faith are going to have to fight even harder to stand up for what's right whether it be the issue of life or other issues. We must all stand together.
i'd write more but i have a hungry newborn in my arms that my wife and i decided not to abort. oh, and Keith, you sound like one very, very confused soul. if you don't believe that the Church is true, then why is Heaven's name waste your time as a member?
The argument that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body is ridiculous. She made the decisions that led to the pregnancy, if she did not want to be pregnant, she already had the opportunity to make that choice. The other issue here is if she has rights then so does the baby. When she had sex she made her decision.
As soon as that fetus is conceived it is a living thing and has just as much right to live as the mother who is obviously irresponsible.
Hoorah for the Catholic bishops, for having the tenacity and strength to call Biden and Obama, and others on the carpet, and insist action on one of the most important issues this nation faces.
Those who feel that abortion pales agains issues such as economy or energy need to take a look at what has destroyed some of the greatest empires this world has seen. Rome did not fall because of a bad economy. It fell because of a corrupt, immoral society.
And it is a lie to say that the President of the United states has no influence over such decisions. While no law, or consitutional ammendment could be made without cooperation of the House and Senate, the President has the power of influence and example. Let's see them use this overwhelming majority in Congress for good.
"Wow, a church where the bishops and church members are allowed to openly discuss their disagreements with their church leaders on hot button issues like abortion without being excommunicated what a novel idea."
I guess you didn't hear about Father Geoffrey Farrow in Fresno, who spoke out against Prop. 8 during Mass. Among other things, an Oct. 13 LA Times article says this happened to him:
"On Thursday, Fresno Bishop John T. Steinbock removed Farrow, 50, as pastor of the St. Paul Newman Center ... Steinbock wrote in a disciplinary letter that also admonished Farrow against 'using the Internet as a means of continuing your conflict with the Church's teaching.'
The priest also was stripped of his salary and benefits, and ordered to stay away from all church communities he had served."
Guess you still have to look for such a church as you described. Sorry there's not only one like that.
Glad to see the Catholics standing for their values. I've gained more respect for the Catholic Church lately. I hope they continue down this road and don't give into the pressure coming from the immoral masses.
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