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Catholics go after Obama on abortion
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Anonymous | 1:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
You need to study government. This isn't Vatican City. Our president
can't mandate laws. I'm sure if Obama could wave his magic wand, there
would be no abortions. We live in a nation governed by laws.
First Amendment | 3:35 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I would direct the Catholic bishops to the First Amendment of the Constitution
and to the history of this country.
Just because civil policy is different from Catholic (or Mormon or any other) religious policy, it does not mean that your religious beliefs are under attack.
When you try to force your religious beliefs into the law, then my Constitutionally guaranteed civil rights are under attack.
This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom - don't for one minute think I am going to sit by and let you destroy my country and tear apart my Constitution because your religion disagrees with it.
Just because civil policy is different from Catholic (or Mormon or any other) religious policy, it does not mean that your religious beliefs are under attack.
When you try to force your religious beliefs into the law, then my Constitutionally guaranteed civil rights are under attack.
This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom - don't for one minute think I am going to sit by and let you destroy my country and tear apart my Constitution because your religion disagrees with it.
Grateful | 5:24 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Thanks to our Catholic Bishops for their courageous stand to protect the
sanctity of life.
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Shar | 5:26 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Great article. I still don't understand why so many LDS members and
Christians supported and voted for Obama. His policy on a Abortion made me want
to run the other way! I think a lot of people didn't that the time to study
this guys voting record. He was a rock star and everyone jumped aboard! Now many
of those that voted for him are nervous!
Geez | 5:37 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Here we go. The religious right gets a foot in the door with Prop. 8 and now
they think they can force public policy in other matters. First the LDS church
now the catholics think they can legally tell a woman what she can or cannot do
with her body. Religious bigotry my foot! When will people get it? Churches need
to stay out of public policy, PERIOD!
Anonymous | 5:39 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Abortion wasn't even an issue for the Presidential election and really
hasn't been an issue in politics outside the fear mongering the Republicans
use to keep voters punching straight ticket. Yet if you ask the average Utahn,
they think it was number two behind the economy.
I have been astounded at the public's ignorance on our next president. I have students who believe the end of the world is coming and who are genuinely terrified what is going to happen.
I have been astounded at the public's ignorance on our next president. I have students who believe the end of the world is coming and who are genuinely terrified what is going to happen.
well | 6:22 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Of course we here in Utah dont care about this..after all it isn't gays is
it? With all the hoopla over prop 8 we didn't hear one word about prop 4.
Funny (sad?)
Novel approach | 6:28 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Wow, a church where the bishops and church members are allowed to openly discuss
their disagreements with their church leaders on hot button issues like
abortion without being excommunicated what a novel idea.
shirley | 6:34 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I am pleased with the Catholic Church and their stand on abortion. I back them
100%. May all the
churches get involved in this. We need to stop the murder of babies. God is not pleased with this. I did not vote for Obama because of his abortion and gay marriage belief's. We need to all stand tall and
firm in our church's to stop the madness. I am not a
Catholic but I will stand with them on this issue.
churches get involved in this. We need to stop the murder of babies. God is not pleased with this. I did not vote for Obama because of his abortion and gay marriage belief's. We need to all stand tall and
firm in our church's to stop the madness. I am not a
Catholic but I will stand with them on this issue.
Glad to hear this message | 6:42 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I am glad to hear the Catholic church taking a stance on this important issue.
It is time someone stand up and protect the unborn. I can understand abortion
in the circumstances of rape, incest, and potential death to the mother due to
physical health problems. Other than that, if you allowed yourself or someone
happened to get pregnant, face the consequences and give birth to the child you
created. Then you can give the child to a couple who is desperately waiting to
adopt.
Eddie Keen | 7:04 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I'd bet the amount of stuff like this that lands on a new president
elects' plate is horrendous. Everyone has an axe to grind. I hope obama
stays focused. We have been witness here lately to the division that comes from
taking away the rights of others.
CougarKeith | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
To All the LDS who stand in "Testimony Meeting" and say, "This is
the ONLY True Church", as a LDS I TESTIFY YOUR WRONG!!! ALL CHURCHES HAVE
SOME TRUTH IN THEM! Here in this case the Catholic Church stands for Truth,
ABORTION IS WRONG, and it is A SERIOUS SIN! ABORTION=MURDER! Looking at it from
a Jewish standpoint it is Genocide of potentially a whole UNIVERSE of Life if
you know your teachings of the Koballah, and if you know your True Christian
Doctrines, you know exactly how to true that is in an eternal realm. My hat is
off and I salute the Catholic Bishops on this one!
As far as my opening statement, All churches have truth, and all churches have good and goodness in them, and VERY GOOD PEOPLE in them. The fact that the Church Jesus began has been restored in the last days is considered by Latter-day Saints to be the only "Living" Church, meaning continually recieving revelation from God, now that is a true statement, as it lives and breathes with Prophet's and Apostles as did the church of old, and as does it's restored church in the last days. Thank you Catholic Bishops!
As far as my opening statement, All churches have truth, and all churches have good and goodness in them, and VERY GOOD PEOPLE in them. The fact that the Church Jesus began has been restored in the last days is considered by Latter-day Saints to be the only "Living" Church, meaning continually recieving revelation from God, now that is a true statement, as it lives and breathes with Prophet's and Apostles as did the church of old, and as does it's restored church in the last days. Thank you Catholic Bishops!
Cora | 7:29 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
No president has done a thing about changing the abortion law since it was put
into place.
Stop worrying about it.
Try doing something about the 50,000 children dying daily around the world from starvation, no medical help, and killing.
That would matter to God.
Stop worrying about it.
Try doing something about the 50,000 children dying daily around the world from starvation, no medical help, and killing.
That would matter to God.
just me | 7:37 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
abortion number one, security number 2, economy number 3. life is more impotant
than money. It's too bad so many have such misplaced priorities.
Congrats to the Catholic church for taking a stand. The Catholic church isn't telling anyone what they can or cannot do in the public policy arena, but they do have every right to tell the members of their church what they can and cannot do and still be Catholic. As soon as they start down the path of apeasement, they lose any moral standing. Maybe a high-profile excommunication (pro-abortion queen nancy or pro-abortion Joe Biden) would firmly set what you can and cannot do and still be a Catholic - not what you can and cannot do as an elected official. If you have to separate from who you are once in elected office, you are a phony.
Congrats to the Catholic church for taking a stand. The Catholic church isn't telling anyone what they can or cannot do in the public policy arena, but they do have every right to tell the members of their church what they can and cannot do and still be Catholic. As soon as they start down the path of apeasement, they lose any moral standing. Maybe a high-profile excommunication (pro-abortion queen nancy or pro-abortion Joe Biden) would firmly set what you can and cannot do and still be a Catholic - not what you can and cannot do as an elected official. If you have to separate from who you are once in elected office, you are a phony.
Cats | 8:05 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
It is a new day in this country. Our country has taken a dark turn. All people
of faith are going to have to fight even harder to stand up for what's
right whether it be the issue of life or other issues. We must all stand
together.
reCougarKeith | 8:06 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
i'd write more but i have a hungry newborn in my arms that my wife and i
decided not to abort. oh, and Keith, you sound like one very, very confused
soul. if you don't believe that the Church is true, then why is
Heaven's name waste your time as a member?
Get Real | 8:10 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The argument that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body is
ridiculous. She made the decisions that led to the pregnancy, if she did not
want to be pregnant, she already had the opportunity to make that choice. The
other issue here is if she has rights then so does the baby. When she had sex
she made her decision.
As soon as that fetus is conceived it is a living thing and has just as much right to live as the mother who is obviously irresponsible.
As soon as that fetus is conceived it is a living thing and has just as much right to live as the mother who is obviously irresponsible.
BH | 8:20 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Hoorah for the Catholic bishops, for having the tenacity and strength to call
Biden and Obama, and others on the carpet, and insist action on one of the most
important issues this nation faces.
Those who feel that abortion pales agains issues such as economy or energy need to take a look at what has destroyed some of the greatest empires this world has seen. Rome did not fall because of a bad economy. It fell because of a corrupt, immoral society.
And it is a lie to say that the President of the United states has no influence over such decisions. While no law, or consitutional ammendment could be made without cooperation of the House and Senate, the President has the power of influence and example. Let's see them use this overwhelming majority in Congress for good.
Those who feel that abortion pales agains issues such as economy or energy need to take a look at what has destroyed some of the greatest empires this world has seen. Rome did not fall because of a bad economy. It fell because of a corrupt, immoral society.
And it is a lie to say that the President of the United states has no influence over such decisions. While no law, or consitutional ammendment could be made without cooperation of the House and Senate, the President has the power of influence and example. Let's see them use this overwhelming majority in Congress for good.
re: Novel approach | 8:22 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
"Wow, a church where the bishops and church members are allowed to openly
discuss their disagreements with their church leaders on hot button issues like
abortion without being excommunicated what a novel idea."
I guess you didn't hear about Father Geoffrey Farrow in Fresno, who spoke out against Prop. 8 during Mass. Among other things, an Oct. 13 LA Times article says this happened to him:
"On Thursday, Fresno Bishop John T. Steinbock removed Farrow, 50, as pastor of the St. Paul Newman Center ... Steinbock wrote in a disciplinary letter that also admonished Farrow against 'using the Internet as a means of continuing your conflict with the Church's teaching.'
The priest also was stripped of his salary and benefits, and ordered to stay away from all church communities he had served."
Guess you still have to look for such a church as you described. Sorry there's not only one like that.
I guess you didn't hear about Father Geoffrey Farrow in Fresno, who spoke out against Prop. 8 during Mass. Among other things, an Oct. 13 LA Times article says this happened to him:
"On Thursday, Fresno Bishop John T. Steinbock removed Farrow, 50, as pastor of the St. Paul Newman Center ... Steinbock wrote in a disciplinary letter that also admonished Farrow against 'using the Internet as a means of continuing your conflict with the Church's teaching.'
The priest also was stripped of his salary and benefits, and ordered to stay away from all church communities he had served."
Guess you still have to look for such a church as you described. Sorry there's not only one like that.
Good | 8:29 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Glad to see the Catholics standing for their values. I've gained more
respect for the Catholic Church lately. I hope they continue down this road and
don't give into the pressure coming from the immoral masses.
re: CougarKeith | 8:32 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Great post, I'd add to it my opinion that the Plan of Salvation as taught
in the LDS Church is the best "pro-life" argument I've ever
heard. "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" also speaks of the
sanctity of life. After being taught those two things, I was very much converted
to the restored gospel, and I was firm in a pro-life stance. Yes, I know the
official LDS position on abortion, and if that is followed in all cases as it is
described, more will be prevented and the mothers' relationship with God
will be strengthened.
That being said, the procedure still needs to be safe, legal and available for many reasons, ectopic pregnancies being a huge one.
That being said, the procedure still needs to be safe, legal and available for many reasons, ectopic pregnancies being a huge one.
Mc | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Cora:
There are only two things a president can do about abortion. One is to sign legislation that protects the unborn or veto legislation that doesn't. Clinton vetoed legislation that would have banned partial birth abortion. I suspect that Obama will do that as well, based on his record. He voted against a bill in the Illinois Senate that would have saved the lives of babies who survived botched abortions.
The other thing a president can do is nominate judges that will look favorably on the rights of the unborn. Pres. Bush nominated 2 justices who have been able to consider abortion cases based on their merit rather than automatically ruling against anything that would restrict abortions. Biden and Obama have a litmus test for nominations. Anyone considered must have their same political philosophy and stand strong for abortion rights. Liberal justices will be retiring during the Obama administration. There is reason for concern that the possibility for any protection for the unborn from the courts will be set back for another generation or more.
If you have any concern for the well being of innocent lives there is good reason to worry about the effect Obama will have.
There are only two things a president can do about abortion. One is to sign legislation that protects the unborn or veto legislation that doesn't. Clinton vetoed legislation that would have banned partial birth abortion. I suspect that Obama will do that as well, based on his record. He voted against a bill in the Illinois Senate that would have saved the lives of babies who survived botched abortions.
The other thing a president can do is nominate judges that will look favorably on the rights of the unborn. Pres. Bush nominated 2 justices who have been able to consider abortion cases based on their merit rather than automatically ruling against anything that would restrict abortions. Biden and Obama have a litmus test for nominations. Anyone considered must have their same political philosophy and stand strong for abortion rights. Liberal justices will be retiring during the Obama administration. There is reason for concern that the possibility for any protection for the unborn from the courts will be set back for another generation or more.
If you have any concern for the well being of innocent lives there is good reason to worry about the effect Obama will have.
Wayne | 8:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Don't forget Obama voted for infanticide by leading the effort in Illinois
to not give babies who survive a botched abortion medical care. And then there
is late term abortion where a baby is partially delivered from the womb and then
the doctor punctures its brain to kill it. Awful!!
rpm | 8:51 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I am an active Mormon and supported Oboma. The LDS Church's position on
abortion is pro choice. They oppose abortion except in some cases. That is
choice. One of the main tennants is agency. If you take this away, you accept
satan's plan.
utah rose | 8:55 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The church has been an opponent of abortion since it's earliest times and
they are NOT going to stop because the culture or Obama thinks otherwise. You
can even read this in the Old Testament, that God had his eye on you before you
were born.
What upsets me is our Bishop didn't say a thing on this before the election, unlike the brave Bishops who did make a statement.
For the Catholics who voted for Obama, look out on the day of judgment when you will have to tell God that the economy and your pocketbook was more important than life for a baby.
What upsets me is our Bishop didn't say a thing on this before the election, unlike the brave Bishops who did make a statement.
For the Catholics who voted for Obama, look out on the day of judgment when you will have to tell God that the economy and your pocketbook was more important than life for a baby.
James | 8:58 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
We better all go protest the Vatican. After all we need separation of church and
state (sarcasm).
Beth | 9:03 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I'm glad that the America's Catholic leaders spoke out about this. I
think that it's pretty ridiculous that people can profess to be Catholic
and then disagree with some of the most important moral values that the church
espouses. This suggests to me that they are Catholics in name only.
I think that it's really interesting how when the left wants to get things done they change the conversation from "moral issues" to "civil rights". Because that way if churches get involved then they certainly must be violating separation of church and state.
Things like abortion and gay marriage are most definitely moral issues, they go against some of the oldest beliefs that christianity, judaism, islam, and other major world religions hold dear. Religion's job is to speak out on moral issues, that's what they do. That's their purpose, to help people develop the right moral compass to be able to return to God. And churches have the right to freedom of expression, just like many other non-profit organizations in the country.
I applaud the Catholic church for speaking out.
I think that it's really interesting how when the left wants to get things done they change the conversation from "moral issues" to "civil rights". Because that way if churches get involved then they certainly must be violating separation of church and state.
Things like abortion and gay marriage are most definitely moral issues, they go against some of the oldest beliefs that christianity, judaism, islam, and other major world religions hold dear. Religion's job is to speak out on moral issues, that's what they do. That's their purpose, to help people develop the right moral compass to be able to return to God. And churches have the right to freedom of expression, just like many other non-profit organizations in the country.
I applaud the Catholic church for speaking out.
Topper | 9:14 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I stand behind the Catholic church completely. Abortion is murder. Any thingthat
destroys life if murder.
anniec | 9:16 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Why is the Church's only concerned with making abortion illegal? They have
given the Republicans a free pass on any policies/programs to help women
continue their pregnancies. The number of pregnancy discrimination suits
reached record levels. When is the last time a pro-life group picketed an
employer for firing a pregnant worker?
C.W. | 9:19 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
It might have made a difference if they would have said this 2 weeks ago!
A Fine Line | 9:24 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
It's fascinating some members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints seem to identify most with the Christian right on this issue. Especially
since this issue is what this group despises most about Latter-day Saints.
A stroll through the protesters at Conference time would explain this clearly enough.
Members of the LDS faith walk a fine line, because the position of the Church cuts out exceptions for instances of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother is at risk. On the other hand, the LDS policy absolutely believes in the preservation of rights for the unborn. Not quite fully pro-life, in terms of a full ban as the Christian right would like. Not nearly "abortion on demand," as the far left allegedly want.
Most persons would agree abortion is never a good thing. The question is whose right is it to decide.
Curious that so many fight for the rights of the unborn, but scoff at providing these same humans with dignity when they are born - even as children. So, it's government's job to keep them from dying as a fetus, but has no duty when they are alive for fear of socialism?
A stroll through the protesters at Conference time would explain this clearly enough.
Members of the LDS faith walk a fine line, because the position of the Church cuts out exceptions for instances of rape, incest, or when the health of the mother is at risk. On the other hand, the LDS policy absolutely believes in the preservation of rights for the unborn. Not quite fully pro-life, in terms of a full ban as the Christian right would like. Not nearly "abortion on demand," as the far left allegedly want.
Most persons would agree abortion is never a good thing. The question is whose right is it to decide.
Curious that so many fight for the rights of the unborn, but scoff at providing these same humans with dignity when they are born - even as children. So, it's government's job to keep them from dying as a fetus, but has no duty when they are alive for fear of socialism?
Mike | 9:33 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Lets see, the Catholic Church's view is that abortion is not proper under
any circumstances, even when the life of the Mother is as serious risk. They
pretend to know the mind of God in this matter. How, do they know? Is the Mormon
Church's view so dogmatic and unyielding? From what I understand, they have
a somewhat more liberal position. And, how do they (the Mormon Church)know? Has
there been a revelation spelling it out?. I don't see that anywhere in the
D&C in any case.
But to Blame Obama for abortion (and those that voted for him) Get real.
But to Blame Obama for abortion (and those that voted for him) Get real.
Compromise | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
When will the zealots on both sides in this country get it that the essence of
republican government is compromise and settlement? This country is split on
the issue and that is not going to change. The Court fashioned a compromise
with Roe v. Wade, which was not perfect, but about as good as we're going
to get subject to progress in science.
We can't simply force our moral will on others by legislation. Live with necessary compromise and let God sort it out.
We can't simply force our moral will on others by legislation. Live with necessary compromise and let God sort it out.
CHris PLummer | 9:39 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
The catholic representatives represent their CONSTITUENTS not the CATHOLIC
church when it comes to being an elected official, they answer to the people
they represent not the pope. They may have different opinions than teh people
they represent. That is how representative government works.
Just stop... | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Please stop trying to legislate your religious views.
Get real people | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Not all women choose to have sex - heard of rape
people??!!!!!Incest????Mother's health - I could die if I carry a baby to
term - great for the baby, I guess my life is worthless.
Also, When your religious beliefs infringe on my rights in this country - on abortion, schooling, speech, which church I believe in - YOU ARE WRONG! My rights allow me to believe what I want to believe, as long as I don't force those beliefs on you. You think Catholics and Mormons are right - I disagree - We both have that right in this country and neither have the right to outlaw the beliefs of the other. You outlawing abortion infringes on my belief that it is not a sin. If you don't believe in abortion - DON"T HAVE ONE - but don't take away my freedom to choose!
Also, When your religious beliefs infringe on my rights in this country - on abortion, schooling, speech, which church I believe in - YOU ARE WRONG! My rights allow me to believe what I want to believe, as long as I don't force those beliefs on you. You think Catholics and Mormons are right - I disagree - We both have that right in this country and neither have the right to outlaw the beliefs of the other. You outlawing abortion infringes on my belief that it is not a sin. If you don't believe in abortion - DON"T HAVE ONE - but don't take away my freedom to choose!
GO Catholic Church | 9:44 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
So is there a ridiculous commerial against the Catholic Church being aired on
the T.V. and internet, because the Catholic Church is standing firm on this
issue?
Are the Catholic Churches being picketed?
Both are wrong... same sex marriage and abortion..
Both Churches have truth and on these issues we agree!!
Yet we see the LDS church dragged through the mud because of their stand!!!
Oh bother!!!
Are the Catholic Churches being picketed?
Both are wrong... same sex marriage and abortion..
Both Churches have truth and on these issues we agree!!
Yet we see the LDS church dragged through the mud because of their stand!!!
Oh bother!!!
Novel approach | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
8:22 A.M. I guess your right, that is to bad, I thought maybe there was some
room for honest and open discourse within the religous community but that may
not be the case.
Get Real | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Women don't always have a choice. And also they may not know at that time
what they are getting into. Perhaps they are desserted or perhaps their health
is not good. It is their body and their right and although we do have
limitations people will just have to live with that. This is not going to change
and I'm sure of that. In my case, nature made the choice for me many times
too. People need to stop judging what they don't understand. If someone
feels strongly about it then don't participate. Stop getting into other
people's private lives and live your own life as you see fit.
know your facts... | 9:57 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Catholics are against abortion in any circumstance, for any reason. They allow
absolutely NO exceptions. This should be of interest and concern to those of
you who feel abortions should be allowed in certain circumstances.
Catholics also do not believe in any form of birth control. IF Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, Griswold v. Connecticut will be next on the list for attack by the Catholic church. This is something that should concern all of you who think a woman should have a choice over whether or not to get pregnant.
We do not live in a theocracy. We live in a democratic republic and the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, guarantees us religious freedom.
Ask yourself this: who do you want voting on your rights?
Catholics also do not believe in any form of birth control. IF Roe v. Wade is ever overturned, Griswold v. Connecticut will be next on the list for attack by the Catholic church. This is something that should concern all of you who think a woman should have a choice over whether or not to get pregnant.
We do not live in a theocracy. We live in a democratic republic and the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, guarantees us religious freedom.
Ask yourself this: who do you want voting on your rights?
Bishop Rick | 9:58 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Nice to see that the Catholics can spew just as much vile crap as the Mormons
do. Keep it up folks. Your end is near.
Tired of being judged!!!! | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Why is it that as soon as a religious person states their opinion they are
called a zealot but all you extremist can say all you want and it is your right.
I am tired of it. We have just as much right to say we believe it is wrong to
kill all these unborn babies and it is wrong to have gays forcing us to teach
our kids that it is normal to be gay. I have a right to believe what I believe
just as much as all you extremist without being called names. Can everyone just
buzz off and have their own opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sarcastic Sam | 10:06 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
re: reCougarKeith | 8:06 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
i'd write more but i have a hungry newborn in my arms that my wife and i decided not to abort. oh, and Keith, you sound like one very, very confused soul. if you don't believe that the Church is true, then why is Heaven's name waste your time as a member?
Where in his post did he say he didn't think the the church was true? I suggest you read before you post while feeding the newborn.
As for Obama and what he stands for, guess thats why he won.
i'd write more but i have a hungry newborn in my arms that my wife and i decided not to abort. oh, and Keith, you sound like one very, very confused soul. if you don't believe that the Church is true, then why is Heaven's name waste your time as a member?
Where in his post did he say he didn't think the the church was true? I suggest you read before you post while feeding the newborn.
As for Obama and what he stands for, guess thats why he won.
Anonymous | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I'm not a Mormon, but I agree with the spirit of rmp's post. If every
person who wants to make all abortions illegal would adopt a child, then there
would be far fewer abortions. And quit telling lies--those who are trying to
trash Obama on this issue didn't vote for him in the first place.
I would never tell a woman to get an abortion, but there are circumstances where abortions are justified. The Catholic position is too extreme, and also hypocritical because they also oppose birth control that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
So hooray for the Mormon position on this issue. Thanks for writing rmp!
"I am an active Mormon and supported Obama. The LDS Church's position on abortion is pro choice. They oppose abortion except in some cases. That is choice. One of the main tenants is agency. If you take this away, you accept satan's plan."
I would never tell a woman to get an abortion, but there are circumstances where abortions are justified. The Catholic position is too extreme, and also hypocritical because they also oppose birth control that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
So hooray for the Mormon position on this issue. Thanks for writing rmp!
"I am an active Mormon and supported Obama. The LDS Church's position on abortion is pro choice. They oppose abortion except in some cases. That is choice. One of the main tenants is agency. If you take this away, you accept satan's plan."
GOOD FOR YOU | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
I THINK IT IS GREAT WHEN PEOPLE STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE!
Washington Reader | 10:25 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
There is a significant portion of the Democratic Party that is Pro-Life (even
outside of Utah) and it's not just Catholics. Hopefully the new
administration will listen to this part of the Democratic Party and concentrate
efforts to discourage abortion by encouraging adoption as well as to fight
against the forces in the media that create the illusion in the minds of our
young people that sex outside of marriage is OK.
Seattle Guy | 10:38 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Why can the Catholics speak out on moral issues but the LDS Church can not? How
does that work? Does the Catholic need to have the IRS take a look at them?
-I for one am glad that they are speaking out-
-I for one am glad that they are speaking out-
K | 10:41 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Mike,
Papal infallibility is a doctrine in the Catholic stating that the Pope is incapable of error relating to dogma. This is one of those circumstances. Every Pope over the last two thousand years have agreed on this issue. Why would God have to yield to human's on this issue?
You wouldn't remove a heart from a mom of a child who is desperate need of one and would die without the heart transplant. Furthermore you wouldn't let the mom donate her heart in order to save the child as that would end her life. Why then is okay to sacrifice the child for the sake of the mom? It's not okay. Children can be safely delivered and survive fairly early in the pregnancy now. Exactly what life threatening situation are we talking here? I can't think of very many life threatening situations that the baby can't be delivered as early as the 24th week.
Papal infallibility is a doctrine in the Catholic stating that the Pope is incapable of error relating to dogma. This is one of those circumstances. Every Pope over the last two thousand years have agreed on this issue. Why would God have to yield to human's on this issue?
You wouldn't remove a heart from a mom of a child who is desperate need of one and would die without the heart transplant. Furthermore you wouldn't let the mom donate her heart in order to save the child as that would end her life. Why then is okay to sacrifice the child for the sake of the mom? It's not okay. Children can be safely delivered and survive fairly early in the pregnancy now. Exactly what life threatening situation are we talking here? I can't think of very many life threatening situations that the baby can't be delivered as early as the 24th week.
K | 10:44 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Chris Plummer,
If they want to be in communion with the church they must follow church teachings. Nothing is forcing them to be Catholic. IF they are going to define themselves as Catholic they must live it. The Catholic church isn't demanding that these representative resign or be removed from office - outside of the vote of the people. But they certainly can excommunicate them from the church or withhold the sacraments.
If an LDS President of the US signed an executive order allowing legalization of polygamy would't the LDS church seek to bring him back into the fold and if they didn't change excommunicate him/her?
If they want to be in communion with the church they must follow church teachings. Nothing is forcing them to be Catholic. IF they are going to define themselves as Catholic they must live it. The Catholic church isn't demanding that these representative resign or be removed from office - outside of the vote of the people. But they certainly can excommunicate them from the church or withhold the sacraments.
If an LDS President of the US signed an executive order allowing legalization of polygamy would't the LDS church seek to bring him back into the fold and if they didn't change excommunicate him/her?
Anti-family crowd isn't pro-life | 10:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2008
Anonymous,
"I'm not a Mormon, but I agree with the spirit of rmp's post. If every person who wants to make all abortions illegal would adopt a child, then there would be far fewer abortions."
This is true. If these people want to stop abortions they should adopt "unwanted" children and assist the parents who want to keep and raise their unborn baby instead of having an abortion. It seems like the so-called pro-life crowd are anti-abortion and anti-family.
"I would never tell a woman to get an abortion, but there are circumstances where abortions are justified. The Catholic position is too extreme, and also hypocritical because they also oppose birth control that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place."
I'm Mormon so I can't agree with Catholic on this issue since their position is immoral and violate our principles. There are so many things we can do to support life and oppose abortions without making them illegal or place the decision about exceptions in the hands of Judges or juries.
Many in the Catholic Church believe that abortion should be illegal even when the life of the mother is threatened. How is that pro-life?
"I'm not a Mormon, but I agree with the spirit of rmp's post. If every person who wants to make all abortions illegal would adopt a child, then there would be far fewer abortions."
This is true. If these people want to stop abortions they should adopt "unwanted" children and assist the parents who want to keep and raise their unborn baby instead of having an abortion. It seems like the so-called pro-life crowd are anti-abortion and anti-family.
"I would never tell a woman to get an abortion, but there are circumstances where abortions are justified. The Catholic position is too extreme, and also hypocritical because they also oppose birth control that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place."
I'm Mormon so I can't agree with Catholic on this issue since their position is immoral and violate our principles. There are so many things we can do to support life and oppose abortions without making them illegal or place the decision about exceptions in the hands of Judges or juries.
Many in the Catholic Church believe that abortion should be illegal even when the life of the mother is threatened. How is that pro-life?
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