Deseret News | FLDS ask Utah Supreme Court to halt land sale

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FLDS ask Utah Supreme Court to halt land sale

Anonymous | 5:50 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

Whatever. These people lie more often than I change my underwear.

Anonymous | 6:24 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

I don't think they can tell the truth. Why now? All of a sudden they are interested? Legal fees are piling up...

getreal | 6:42 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

Too little, too late. Don't think the courts will accept the argument at this late date. The FLDS should have paid attention years ago if they were so concerned. Of course, Willie filed the AZ lawsuit. He's at the center of any fuss.

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Joey | 7:08 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

It's never too late to fight back against injustice.

zxcvbnm | 7:35 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

Here is your test of religious freedom. A church will have church land taken in order to destroy a church. After the Utah SC the long road to the US Supreme court just might begin.
Wisan will make a buck win or lose.....what a job.

Larry | 10:43 p.m. Nov. 10, 2008

You're right, they're most likely will lose. I've been following this. It's pretty blatant that Wisan is using his position as a tool to break up the FLDS church. However, he has the full backing of the courts. The Justice system is using the costly court system and it's labyrinth of laws to financially and psychologically break the FLDS congregation. Even if the FLDS is right, and wins their appeal, there will be little money or energy left to pursue their goals.

A prime example is the breakup of the Zion community in Texas. The government came in and absconded with a whole town-worth of children, on a tip they knew to be most likely false. Just about every child was returned, but the families have been broken both spiritually and financially. Most will not return to Zion out of fear of the government. The same intimidation is being used in Hilldale, B.C., and other places.

I am neutral when it comes to the FLDS. Statistically their society is actually more stable than secular America. It seems the government is trying to make the live 'like the rest of us'. Is this necessarily good?

zxcvbnm | 7:44 a.m. Nov. 11, 2008

I am not sure that the Church has been broken spiritually, financially perhaps.
Members have mentioned that this was a "test" that they intend to take with as much faith as any other "test".
These people knelt and prayed as the Swat teams desecrated their church.....they prayed for their captors both before and after they were released from state custody. Even Jeffs has been treated for ulcerated knees after praying.
Perhaps we might learn a thing or two as a society about faith from a group so intent on worshiping God in such a literal way.
We look at these people as part of an antiquated ideology at best, as a bunch of abusers at worst.
Perhaps they are just a bunch of US citizens that exercise their right to "practice their religion" as guaranteed by our constitution.
They pray to the same God that the vast majority of us call our creator and the same God our constitution acknowledges as the creator of our freedoms.
I don't believe that God will get their prayers or their intentions confused, but we just may get our constitution twisted in this process.
They will change us..we won't change them.

Lord Challen | 8:45 a.m. Nov. 11, 2008

What shocks me is the CPAZ group. These FLDS people are their brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers. The rivalry was over doctrine, over opinions of leadership.

This seems like an obvious act of "opportunity" or "revenge." This makes the CPAZ group no different then the FLDS group, which makes me a little sad.

The "Barlow Boys" took an "opportunity" to get the Hammons and Timpsons kicked out of the trust. Now their group is striking back.

This act will further divide the people that should be one people. CPAZ should helping the FLDS, offering a helping hand, or friendship and trust, not kicking an old friend when they are down. Doesn't CPAZ see that this fight is their's too?

Anyway, I'm a little ashamed that my friends haven't been able to rise above their anger and use this opportunity to heal instead of create deeper division.

anonymous | 10:47 a.m. Nov. 11, 2008

These poor ignorant people! They had for generations let who ever was in charge make all decisions for them, from what they ate to what they wore, to switching families from one house to another. They have followed like sheep to the slaughter. They were dumbed down to the point, no one was willing to stand up for their own trust when trouble came.

Four years later is To LATE!! These people need to learn how to live life without being told what to do. They have a right to the houses they built with their own hands. With ONE man power comes desolation of a whole group, because they refused to think for themselves.

GiGi13 | 7:42 p.m. Nov. 11, 2008

"zxcvbnmï¿½|ï¿½7:44 a.m. Nov. 11, 2008 - These people knelt and prayed as the Swat teams desecrated their church....."

Was this before OR after they played hide and seek with the LE? Y'know taking the children from house to house.

You judge too quickly | 8:28 p.m. Nov. 11, 2008

Lord Challen
You misunderstand the CPAZ people. They have stood up for the rights of the FLDS. You need to understand that the Prophecy about the Temple was from when they were all part of the same group... then the AUB was born and then CPAZ and the FLDS.
If Bruce Wisan is bent on selling the land...CPAZ would not want it sold to strangers. It means the same to CPAZ as it does to the FLDS. CPAZ has no malice towards the FLDS. There are still some people on both sides that can't let go, but that is not the majority. People from all these groups helped build up that community and do not want to see it torn down.

zxcvbnm | 9:00 p.m. Nov. 11, 2008

The children weren't in the Church. If you believe the CPS version of events after all the testimony of CPS has been discredited I pity you.
Read the description of events from those persons on the scene. All the talk of "musical children"......fake names.....fake ages has been disproven.
Conduct a raid of a set of houses after children are in bed and a bit of confusion is natural. But if you believe the CPS version of events with so much already disproven go ahead.
The confusion was on the part of CPS and that is giving them credit.
Just ask the 37 year old teenager.

R | 7:01 a.m. Nov. 17, 2008

Gigi, you're highly misinformed.

Four years later is To LATE!! These people need to learn how to live life without being told what to do. They have a right to the houses they built with their own hands.

I have a right to own a house if I so choose and have the money to pay for it. However, I have also a right to rent an apartment. I also have a right to live in a communal arrangement if I so choose. I have a right, if I own a house, to donate it to a church or other organization.

Wisan wants to ensure that these people, once given the deeds to the homes, don't turn around and set up another trust. He doesn't want to give them a choice. He wants to prevent them from having a choice.

sarah smith | 1:20 p.m. Nov. 17, 2008

BRAKING a Religion because they are different is stupid and WRONG, The media has riped and riped on the FLDS for so long I don't think it is posssible for them to have a fair trail

DON'T Judge A RELIGION (book) BY ITS COVER.

history repeats way too much.

realitycheck | 2:56 p.m. Nov. 19, 2008

zxcvbnm - you need to be more realistic instead of just believing the FLDS and not believing CPS. We pity you for only believing the one people that have the most to hide.

sarah - please go back to school. with knowledge comes understanding... and we're not judging your religion - we are judging the way you blindly follow regardless of the consequences - like handing your children over to old men just because some guy tells you to. Following blindly no matter what never ends well. Ever heard of Jonestown?

R - that's right. the court doesn't want these people to be ripped off once again by their less-than-honorable leaders. It would be nice if the FLDS cared more for their families than their church, but that will probably never be the case. If only the church leaders were actually concerned with the families, rather than their own self-interests...

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