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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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We Shall Overcome

I love how you all are trying to make this a religious issue, citing "God's wishes' and the "prophet's teachings" bla bla bla. It is not. It is a civil rights issue. Neither God, religion, fairy tales nor mythology have anything to do with the matter.

March around their houses? Maybe

Doug,

"There is a double-standard for gay people to participate in a free speech rally but then condemn the Church and it's members for doing the same thing by encouraging members to speak up on a matter which goes to the heart of the teachings of the Church - marriage and family."

The Church asked us to participate in the electoral process and vote and speak out on this issue. Those who support same-sex marriage aren't asking these protesters to participate in the electoral process and speak out on the issues instead they are asking them to disrupt our right to worship, and prevent us from worshiping as we see fit. Had Prop. 8 failed the Church would never have asked members to join a protest outside of the ACLU and Churches who opposed Prop. 8.

We respect the right of people to disagree and to peacefully participate in the political process and we would never target those who voted differently than we wanted. This is more than a double standard since we have never done anything like this to them nor would we but maybe we should reconsider that and find out where they worship and live and protest.

Stand in Defense

Yes, stand in defense of the LDS. Go downtown now and overwhelm the anti-LDS protestors with huge numbers of people, and lots of joy and happiness.

Anonymous

The church is not being singled out "for speaking up." It is being blamed for the sheets of deliberate misinformation that they distributed as part of their "speaking up" and for the inflammatory untruths they spread to deliberately mislead people. This was not "speaking up." This was nothing less than an attempt to enforce LDS doctrine in the California constitution. And now they are objecting that the thousands of people whose rights they took away are objecting to it. Tough cookies. You can dish it out quite well, so be man enough to take the consequences.

Anonymous

These kinds of discussions are important. And bigotry on either side is unacceptable. More empathy and understanding would serve us all well. Hateful words are not Christian in any way, whether calling gays "pathetic" or mormons "bigots". I am glad to see our democracy is still working well. Let's just keep it respectful

I would also support the

church tonight in SLC if I could. Let's show the world that right has prevailed.

Anonymous

I applaude protets of organized hate.

Fresno California

We live in the United States of America where the peoples vote counts. The people of California have spoken and IT IS YES ON PROP 8. And I couldn't be more proud that it passed. I do not want my kids being taught about same sex marriage in schools. THat is something that should be taught in the individual family and not in public schools.

Aaron

The 20 million number is completely misconstrued. When people donated to Prop 8 there was no form you filled out for your religous preference. Where ever that figure is coming from is completely false.

Anonymous

You can't vote on minority rights! This is a Supreme Court issue not a ballot issue! And yes, sometimes bigots are the majority.

To: Just a suggestion

As a physician (who is gay) I laugh at your presumption that gays to not contribute to society.

BYU

The stand of truth has been erected no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done

Fine. Next week is your turn!

Veritas,

"When the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the decision to become involved in a political question, it became fair game for political protest."

That's fine with me. Post your real name and take a public position on this political issue because then it makes you fair game for political protest.

Any member of the Utah legislature or state, city or county government who attends this rally will find a thousand people marching around their blocks on next Friday. If they take a position on a political issue it makes them and organizations they belong to fair game including their families.


"When any church or religion takes a political position, as opposed to a religious position, it opens itself up to political protest. The Church should bear this in mind the next time it gets involved in political issues."

When any individual or public official takes a political position, as opposed to a personal position, they open themselves up to political protest. Voters should bear this in mind the next time they get involved in political issues because we are coming to your Churches, your places of work and your homes to protest.

Mister

Folks, The tribe has spoken.

The dogs bark

But the caravan moves on...

California Father

This would be a good time for the second coming....

Trevor Dowdle

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creators plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.
We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society (Ensign, Nov. 1995, 102).
My2Cents,What important reasons were given for such a stand on families? What consequences would come to pass in our society if such marriage was accepted endorsed?
Some, however, have mistakenly asserted that churches should not ever be involved in politics when moral issues are involved. In fact, churches and religious organizations are well within their constitutional rights to speak out and be engaged in the many moral and ethical problems facing society. While the Church does not endorse candidates or platforms, it does reserve the right to speak out on important issues.

Which Church

do you all belong to. Do you belong to the one that thinks it should play the political game or do you believe this on: "Maintain Freedom of Religion
We Latter-day Saints declare in scripture: "We believe that religion is instituted of God; and that men are amenable to him, and to him only, for the exercise of it, unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others. We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed [prohibited] in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:4, 9)
Your own doctrine speaks out against what your church is doing.

AMoyer

A lot of comments about how the people are somehow unfit to make decisions that should be left to legislators. Consider: We live in a representative democracy. Had the legislature voted no and not allowed the proposition to go to the people, opponents of Prop 8 would have said, "Your elected representative voted against this. That's who represents you, who you voted for." However, in this case, the proposition went TO THE PEOPLE. We don't need to know how the state legislature would vote in our representative democracy, because it has gone to the voters themselves. As far as this proposition is concerned, we know EXACTLY how the majority of voters feel about it, without asking their state representatives.

Consider also that the turnout was ridiculously high, especially due to the draw of a hotly-contested presidential election. So, a large percentage of eligible voters cast their ballot for Prop 8. I would bet the by-county turnout/vote exceeded the votes in the last election for our representatives.

I have accepted that a majority of people wanted Obama. Please accept that a majority of people want some protection for the tradition of marriage.

Love thy neighbor?

Kudos to those protesting prop 8 in Utah.

I dont understand how Mormons can be so close-minded and so judgmental towards gay people.

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