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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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From California | 10:52 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I voted yes on 8 and I don't need to answer to anyone for that choice only
to my Father in Heaven.
I don't blame the protesters from to be in the streets the one who are to blame are the 4 judges in the California Supreme Court they did open a door and now we are paying the consequences. This judges we need to hold them responsible for what it is going on. This is the first time I voted as a new american citizen and they are already questioning my vote the lesbians and gay community so....why to vote if they are not going to respect my right?
I don't blame the protesters from to be in the streets the one who are to blame are the 4 judges in the California Supreme Court they did open a door and now we are paying the consequences. This judges we need to hold them responsible for what it is going on. This is the first time I voted as a new american citizen and they are already questioning my vote the lesbians and gay community so....why to vote if they are not going to respect my right?
You demean what we went through | 10:53 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Thank God,
"They were won only through the courts."
Actually, we endured decades of segregation because of Supreme Court rulings, not in spite of them and it was finally through the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and our marches that we obtained full civil rights.
"Gay and lesbian couples are no different. Thank God for the Constitution that guarantees Equality for ALL. And thank God for the Courts that enforce it!"
You don't want equality and I'm tired of your lies. Blacks never asked for anything that whites didn't already have. We asked for them on the same terms and did not demand different terms. Let's take the issue of marriage since it has direct bearing on this issue.
Black men couldn't marry white women because they were black while black woman couldn't marry white men because they were black. We simply asked that race have no bearing on who could marry and that blacks and whites be granted marriage licenses on the same terms. Gays already have this because of all the work civil rights activists put in.
A gay man isn't denied the right to marry a straight woman because he's gay or versa.
"They were won only through the courts."
Actually, we endured decades of segregation because of Supreme Court rulings, not in spite of them and it was finally through the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and our marches that we obtained full civil rights.
"Gay and lesbian couples are no different. Thank God for the Constitution that guarantees Equality for ALL. And thank God for the Courts that enforce it!"
You don't want equality and I'm tired of your lies. Blacks never asked for anything that whites didn't already have. We asked for them on the same terms and did not demand different terms. Let's take the issue of marriage since it has direct bearing on this issue.
Black men couldn't marry white women because they were black while black woman couldn't marry white men because they were black. We simply asked that race have no bearing on who could marry and that blacks and whites be granted marriage licenses on the same terms. Gays already have this because of all the work civil rights activists put in.
A gay man isn't denied the right to marry a straight woman because he's gay or versa.
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Southern California | 11:00 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
If the vote were held again today, there would be even MORE votes in favor.
These demonstrators have shown their true colors and people are not sympathizing
with them. The dye has been cast. So let it be written, so let it be done.
anom | 11:01 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
What I find interesting about the photo is a person holding up a flag, which in
my opinon is a descretion of the american flag, these people don't respect
the flag, don't respect the will of the people, don't respect
religion, but yet want equal rights. Prop 8 has never been about equal rights,
it has always been about morality
Your post is offensive | 11:02 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Overturn8,
"Nobody is asking for special rights.... we are asking for EQUAL RIGHTS"
You already have EQUAL RIGHTS.
Homosexuals are granted license to marry on the same terms as heterosexuals and they can marry if that is their choice. No one is violating their inalienable rights which aren't granted or denied by government. To argue that all you want is EQUAL RIGHTS while at the same time arguing for redefining the terms of a marriage is dishonest.
As a black man I ask you stop hijacking the language of the civil rights movement and those of us who had to suffer through those horrible times when you have nothing in common with the movement since it did not seek to redefine any law and instead only sought the right of blacks to receive the benefits of the laws on the same terms as whites without regard to race.
In terms of the right to eat in the same restaurants as whites. We didn't ask that we be given a menu of our own making but only that we would would be able to buy the same food at the same price as whites.
That's not what you are asking for.
"Nobody is asking for special rights.... we are asking for EQUAL RIGHTS"
You already have EQUAL RIGHTS.
Homosexuals are granted license to marry on the same terms as heterosexuals and they can marry if that is their choice. No one is violating their inalienable rights which aren't granted or denied by government. To argue that all you want is EQUAL RIGHTS while at the same time arguing for redefining the terms of a marriage is dishonest.
As a black man I ask you stop hijacking the language of the civil rights movement and those of us who had to suffer through those horrible times when you have nothing in common with the movement since it did not seek to redefine any law and instead only sought the right of blacks to receive the benefits of the laws on the same terms as whites without regard to race.
In terms of the right to eat in the same restaurants as whites. We didn't ask that we be given a menu of our own making but only that we would would be able to buy the same food at the same price as whites.
That's not what you are asking for.
Obama's Opinion | 11:03 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Although Obama supports gay rights, he does not support gay marriage. This is
very similar if not the same stance as the Church.
LDS in CA | 11:03 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I didn't contribute one single penny to yes on 8. However I gave of my
time. I was subjected to all sorts of harrassment and obscene gestures. Would I
do it again? YES. A man in our Stake made bumperstickers and donated them. We
forwarded lots of emails about the truth of what was happening in Massaschusetts
schools now that gay marriage is legal there. I walked my neighborhood
delivering fliers ward members had designed and copied and donated. All this
without money from yes on 8. There are plenty of ways to educate people without
spending money. The internet is a great tool.
Talisyn | 11:04 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I really didn't see any problem with homosexual couples getting married,
but I was disturbed by the printing of the names and addresses of the donors for
prop 8 and the marking of whether they were mormon or not. What would be next, a
great big letter M tattooed on the foreheads of members of the LDS church in
Cali? After seeing the protests and wanton intolerance of the pro-gay crowd I
would be proud to have that tattoo.
Hold To The Rod | 11:06 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"Wo unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" -
Book of Mormon, 2nd Nephi 15:20
Smart guy, that Nephi....
Book of Mormon, 2nd Nephi 15:20
Smart guy, that Nephi....
Matt | 11:11 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am disappointed in the headline "LDS stand on gay marriage
decried".
It should read "LDS stand in defense of traditional marriage decried"?
It should read "LDS stand in defense of traditional marriage decried"?
Tired | 11:11 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS Church will not lose tax exempt status and they didn't mix Church
and State. That only works when they advocate a specific candidate from the
pulpit. This was not an election of a person from a specific party. What is
amazing to me is how comments spout "laws" that don't exist or
are taken out of context. The fact is, the California courts were not
authorized to allow gay marriage in the first place. That is not how this
country works. We all need to go back to 7th grade and take US Government for
crying out loud because this argument is ridiculous!
No real impact | 11:12 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Brett,
"LDS Church is only 2% of the population of California."
If 80% of LDS members in California are eligible to vote,and 55% of them voted, and the majority or 90% of them supported Prop. 8 we would still not had a major impact on the outcome.
"The people of AZ & FL have also spoken. Last year was Nevada. Democracy voice has been heard in the State of California. Twice."
They want to force others to do as they want and do not care about our rights or the right of majorities to govern. They continue to lie about this being an issue of civil rights when it isn't since they are not denied any civil right because of their sexual orientation nor are they denied a license to marry because of their sexual orientation.
Any gay person can get a marriage license to marry a person of the opposite sex and do so under the same terms as heterosexuals. There is no question on the forms asking them for their sexual orientation. Nor are they denied the right to marry because of their sexual orientation. That would be discrimination and a violation of due process but it isn't.
"LDS Church is only 2% of the population of California."
If 80% of LDS members in California are eligible to vote,and 55% of them voted, and the majority or 90% of them supported Prop. 8 we would still not had a major impact on the outcome.
"The people of AZ & FL have also spoken. Last year was Nevada. Democracy voice has been heard in the State of California. Twice."
They want to force others to do as they want and do not care about our rights or the right of majorities to govern. They continue to lie about this being an issue of civil rights when it isn't since they are not denied any civil right because of their sexual orientation nor are they denied a license to marry because of their sexual orientation.
Any gay person can get a marriage license to marry a person of the opposite sex and do so under the same terms as heterosexuals. There is no question on the forms asking them for their sexual orientation. Nor are they denied the right to marry because of their sexual orientation. That would be discrimination and a violation of due process but it isn't.
Born that way? | 11:13 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Logic please!
1. If gay people are not born gay, then it is a lifestyle choice (one in which in the USA in 2008 two consenting adults may practice in privacy w/o fear of prosecution. Just as voting YES on Prop 8 was a lifestyle choice. So why be so concerned about it? Also, the civil rights analogy is bogus.
2. However, if people are born gay, then people with opinions that wish to deny gay people the "right" to marry may also be born with the tendency for those opinions and should not be held accountable for such.
3. Since when does a church that takes a political position loose tax-exempt status? Cite some legal authority please.
1. If gay people are not born gay, then it is a lifestyle choice (one in which in the USA in 2008 two consenting adults may practice in privacy w/o fear of prosecution. Just as voting YES on Prop 8 was a lifestyle choice. So why be so concerned about it? Also, the civil rights analogy is bogus.
2. However, if people are born gay, then people with opinions that wish to deny gay people the "right" to marry may also be born with the tendency for those opinions and should not be held accountable for such.
3. Since when does a church that takes a political position loose tax-exempt status? Cite some legal authority please.
Ben | 11:15 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
In 38 states you can be legally fired from a job for what you are trying to
defend as a right.
Only an idiot would think that "A gay man isn't denied the right to marry a straight woman because he's gay or versa."
Living a lie takes on all shpaes!
Only an idiot would think that "A gay man isn't denied the right to marry a straight woman because he's gay or versa."
Living a lie takes on all shpaes!
Truth | 11:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Such interesting comments by people. The one defining truth: God is in charge
and his laws and commandments do not change. Protesting or opinions that differ
from God's, cannot change what He has set forth as His doctrines. It just
goes to show how much our nation has become a godless society! The greater the
wickedness of this nation, the greater the divide between good and evil. Where
were the protesters at the Catholic or Evangelical churches?
Almost Comical | 11:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LBGT community marching around the SL Temple is so ridiculous it's
almost comical.
I say "almost", because it isn't funny. In the pictures, I see the faces of brothers and sisters who, spiritually speaking, are incredibly lost and confused. How tragically sad.
BUT...we've been warned that even many of the elect shall fall in the days before the Savior comes again! The LDS church will no doubt lose some former members over the gay "marriage" issue but their complaints will only help us find the truly humble followers of the Christ that much faster.
I say "almost", because it isn't funny. In the pictures, I see the faces of brothers and sisters who, spiritually speaking, are incredibly lost and confused. How tragically sad.
BUT...we've been warned that even many of the elect shall fall in the days before the Savior comes again! The LDS church will no doubt lose some former members over the gay "marriage" issue but their complaints will only help us find the truly humble followers of the Christ that much faster.
11,000 already married | 11:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
One point I haven't heard anyone touch on, is the 11,000 people who were
married within the last four months. The gay community is very upset because
they believe that their marriages are going to now be dissolved. I personaly
don't believe that their marriages should be abolished, because they were
married when it was legal at that time. I do applaud the gay community for
standing up for what they believe is unequal treatment.
Laura | 11:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
As a result of gay marriage being legalized in MASS, the Catholic Adoption
Agency had to shut its doors because they refused to allow gay adoptions. That
is a fact!
anne | 11:19 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I have spend some time the last few days reading news reports on the proposition
8.
One thing stands out very strongly to me. It is no wonder the gay people are so angry at the LDS. They have been lied to in very subtle ways over and over by their own gay oriented medias.
Their medias do not distinguish between LDS church and LDS members.
Their medias do not seem to realize being asked to support something is not the same as being told to support something.
Their media prints inflamatory articles with subtle twists to make an innocent sentence take on hateful tones. Substituting simple words like "told" for "asked". "Church" for "members".
It is said over and over that the Church funded the campaign. The medias have to know that was inaccurate.
Their medias seem to be determined to mislead the very people they are supposedly informing.
If you get your information from these types of sources it's no wonder there is anger.
It's time to back off and find out what is really the truth. Research before condemning.
Peace
One thing stands out very strongly to me. It is no wonder the gay people are so angry at the LDS. They have been lied to in very subtle ways over and over by their own gay oriented medias.
Their medias do not distinguish between LDS church and LDS members.
Their medias do not seem to realize being asked to support something is not the same as being told to support something.
Their media prints inflamatory articles with subtle twists to make an innocent sentence take on hateful tones. Substituting simple words like "told" for "asked". "Church" for "members".
It is said over and over that the Church funded the campaign. The medias have to know that was inaccurate.
Their medias seem to be determined to mislead the very people they are supposedly informing.
If you get your information from these types of sources it's no wonder there is anger.
It's time to back off and find out what is really the truth. Research before condemning.
Peace
GET MARRIED | 11:20 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Mr. Whipple mentioned that he planned on marrying his fiance in April. Why
didn't he get married before this vote? If he was really sincere and stood
his ground for what he believed in, he would have gone through with it in CA.
He still can in MA however. It's not too late. But one thing he
doesn't understand is that the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE has spoken LOUD AND
CLEAR in ALL 3 states. Get a clue. And stop the hate!!!
The Deuce | 11:22 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
For Anonymous who hopes that "Holy Hell" comes the way of the LDS
Church: History reminds all of us following the bombing of Pearl Harbor of the
comment made by the Japanese Admiral who said that he feared they (Japan) had
awaken a sleeping giant. While Pearl Harbor has nothing to do with or is similar
to the current Prop 8 issue, the comment is. I am neither against nor for Prop
8. However, the people voting No on Prop 8 wanted to take this issue to a vote
and they got it. This issue is only found in a few states on both the east and
west coast of the US. The sleeping giant lives inbetween. If you want to
"bring it on" I am afraid that you may get your wish. Your protests
continue to divide and create more hatred. Let's get moving forward and not
backward. I live in California and I am tired of listening to this everynight on
the news. Let's find common ground where we can work from and not against.
First, start by understanding what the real issues are from each side instead of
yelling hate and bigot.
Ben | 11:28 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I recall in the last Vice Presidential debate, when both were asked, do you
accept gay marriage? Both without hesitation. Said no,why pin point the Mormons?
The people of California have spoken, this has nothing to do with not loving our
gay brothers and sisters, It's defining what constitutes a marriage which
was right from the beginning Adam&Eve,remember they were commanded to
multiply and replenish the earth, mmm some how that doesn't fit the bill.I
love the gay Community, but I can not support redefining marriage.
The Rational Truth | 11:29 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
When it comes to divisive, hot-button issues like this, people on both sides
inevitably over-simplify both sides while blatantly ignoring the much more
complex middle.
"Gays want to steal our rights!"
"Prop 8 supporters are intolarant!"
"(insert homophobic insult here) are dirty, rotten sinners!"
"Mormon = Hate"
I could write a novel that would still not fully contain all of the over-simplified rhetoric uttered by both sides of this issue.
The truth of the matter is that none of this fire-blasting will get anything done at the end of the day. I am optimistic that gay activists will find a way to advance their agenda withought forcing the majority to conform to it and that religious people will respect gays and work towards compromising on this issue.
I don't mean to through a cliche out there, but you know what they say: "There's always two sides to every issue..."
"Gays want to steal our rights!"
"Prop 8 supporters are intolarant!"
"(insert homophobic insult here) are dirty, rotten sinners!"
"Mormon = Hate"
I could write a novel that would still not fully contain all of the over-simplified rhetoric uttered by both sides of this issue.
The truth of the matter is that none of this fire-blasting will get anything done at the end of the day. I am optimistic that gay activists will find a way to advance their agenda withought forcing the majority to conform to it and that religious people will respect gays and work towards compromising on this issue.
I don't mean to through a cliche out there, but you know what they say: "There's always two sides to every issue..."
Scarlet | 11:31 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It was an awesome sight to see people united against discrimination and hatred.
How quickly Mormons forget history and how they were treated. The discriminated
become the discriminators!
Love will prevail!!!
Love will prevail!!!
To CA members. | 11:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I want to tell you of my respect in standing up for not what man wants, but what
God wants. My prayers are with you, and I hope that you will hold strong to the
Gospel, because you are right now experiencing the buffetings of Satan.
When I hear of the anger and the protests and see the ad that the pro-gay people did, the vileness of it reminds me of what I read in the Bible of how the people had become in Sodom.
The core of the LDS church is the family, as defined by God, a father and a mother, (male and female). We have seen the family fall apart through divorce, abuse and addiction, or just plain selfishness. But to make such a mockery of something so sacred, as to gay marriage is appalling. Never, since this nation was established has there been gay marriage, and it is not time to change that. This country has not changed, the LDS and other churches have not changed, but more and more people are changing by embracing sin. Next they will want us to let all the rapists and murders out of prison.
When I hear of the anger and the protests and see the ad that the pro-gay people did, the vileness of it reminds me of what I read in the Bible of how the people had become in Sodom.
The core of the LDS church is the family, as defined by God, a father and a mother, (male and female). We have seen the family fall apart through divorce, abuse and addiction, or just plain selfishness. But to make such a mockery of something so sacred, as to gay marriage is appalling. Never, since this nation was established has there been gay marriage, and it is not time to change that. This country has not changed, the LDS and other churches have not changed, but more and more people are changing by embracing sin. Next they will want us to let all the rapists and murders out of prison.
Aaron Trulson | 11:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This will never be merely a secular nation so long as its people possess moral
convictions.
Mr. Whipple | 11:40 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Mr. Whipple mentioned at the beginning of this article that he was planning on
marrying his fiance in April. Why didn't he do it in CA before the vote?
If he was really serious and stood for what he believed in, he would have gotten
married. But it's not too late....MA is still legal!!
And doesn't anyone hear that the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE has spoken ONCE AGAIN ... LOUD & CLEAR in ALL 3 STATES??!! Get a clue. Stop the hate.
And doesn't anyone hear that the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE has spoken ONCE AGAIN ... LOUD & CLEAR in ALL 3 STATES??!! Get a clue. Stop the hate.
If you Doubt the Church... | 11:41 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To all the members of the LDS church who have doubt about how the church was/is
involved in this issue, I have one piece of advice....Remember. Remember your
testimony of the restored gospel and Jesus Christ. It is easy to doubt, always
has been one of Satan's masked temptations. But the true strength of
one's testimony is if church members obey when God speaks to man through
his servants the prophets. Christ was despised of man, Joseph Smith as well.
Should we as members expect any different from the world? Remember what you
already know to be true and stop letting the doubt of the world enter your
hearts. You'll find comfort is obeying the counsel of the Brethren.
anon | 11:41 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I thank the LDS church and its members. They did nothing wrong by exercising
their right to free speech. And they have taught me a valuable lesson in
tolerance. I am not a member of the gay community and never gave their cause
much thought until signs went up all over my neighborhood. By using fear to gin
up crowds, they have succeeded in creating a climate of divisiveness and hate.
And I am now a supporter of gay rights and gay marriage.
Laura | 11:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
All these other Christian churches need to pay homage to the LDS church. Prop 8
would've failed without us. WE are a force to be reckoned with when it
comes to a moral issue at the polls. The people of CA have spoken not once, but
twice! So, GO HOME!!!!!
Let's see | 11:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
750,000 LDS out of a population of 38,000,000 and they somehow were able to vote
how many times to equal 52% of the vote. My, MY, MY. Even if all the LDS were
adults they still wouldn't eve come close to the 52% of the voters.
Satan will color a person's mind with hate and push them to attack his opposition, which is God's Church. He wants to destroy the family and will use any means to accomplish that. Nowhere in the bible can I find anything that even remotely approves of the homosexual lifestyle.
I see the homosexuals as showing their hypocrisy when it comes to painting with a broad brush all those who oppose them. They think nothing of using foul and vulgar expletives to voice their opinions and use every manner of incivility towards the Church which shows indicates to me their lack of Christ-like behavior. Where is the protests in front of the Catholic churches, where is the protest in front of the Jewish Synagogues, where isthe protest in front of the Baptist or Protestant Churches?
Satan will color a person's mind with hate and push them to attack his opposition, which is God's Church. He wants to destroy the family and will use any means to accomplish that. Nowhere in the bible can I find anything that even remotely approves of the homosexual lifestyle.
I see the homosexuals as showing their hypocrisy when it comes to painting with a broad brush all those who oppose them. They think nothing of using foul and vulgar expletives to voice their opinions and use every manner of incivility towards the Church which shows indicates to me their lack of Christ-like behavior. Where is the protests in front of the Catholic churches, where is the protest in front of the Jewish Synagogues, where isthe protest in front of the Baptist or Protestant Churches?
Laura | 11:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
In the last days all the other churches will crumble and merge but the LDS
church will remain strong.
High School Football vs. Prop. 8 | 11:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Something occurred to me earlier. High School football tonight was a big deal. 8
5A high schools battled to further their place in the state high school football
tournament. Proposition 8 was a bigger deal and there a lot of people against
it. I would bet that more people showed up to the 4 5A high school football
games tonight than protested at Temple Square.
Popeye | 11:54 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The church will grow because of this! Wait and see.
former Salt Laker | 12:06 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The Evangelicals have won again! They got Prop 8 passed on the sweat and
fiances of Church members and now the Church of Jesus Christ is taking the full
brunt of it. Why is the GLTG community not protesting them? I have heard that
as the gay community put their commercials featuring the LDS missionaries that
there was a great celebration from the so called coalition that they were
getting it all, the proposition passed and the Church of Jesus Christ is getting
the worst press in years slowing down missionary work. I am sure these images of
people attacking the Oakland and LA temples is making them giddy. We need to
continue to reach out to our Gay brothers and sisters and watch out for the two
faced evengelicals who cut and run at the first sign of consequences for
standing up for what is right.
Think Of It This Way | 12:12 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As the concerned SL resident said in the story, "It's important that
so-called traditional families support everyone's rights."
Really, it's infinitely MORE important that the traditional family, as the foundation for society, be protected and preserved so that EVERYONE can HAVE rights. When you take away that foundation, what do you have? RUINS AND RUBBLE.
I hope the activists will stop and think about this for a few minutes. Society CANNOT rest on the foundation of gay and lesbian "family units." Admirable exceptions aside, across the board, they're too unstable--and yes, credible scientific research HAS been done on this. The traditional family, AND ONLY THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY, provides the stability and the structure necessary to preserve society.
In the Civil War, Lincoln's immediate goal was to preserve the Union first, not free the slaves. That didn't mean he was pro-slavery--it meant that he put first things first for the overall good of society. Slaves couldn't be truly free in a "divided Union."
Proposition 8 and its equivalents in AZ and FL did the same thing. THE FOUNDATION HAS TO BE PRESERVED FIRST. Then we can talk about equitable solutions.
Really, it's infinitely MORE important that the traditional family, as the foundation for society, be protected and preserved so that EVERYONE can HAVE rights. When you take away that foundation, what do you have? RUINS AND RUBBLE.
I hope the activists will stop and think about this for a few minutes. Society CANNOT rest on the foundation of gay and lesbian "family units." Admirable exceptions aside, across the board, they're too unstable--and yes, credible scientific research HAS been done on this. The traditional family, AND ONLY THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY, provides the stability and the structure necessary to preserve society.
In the Civil War, Lincoln's immediate goal was to preserve the Union first, not free the slaves. That didn't mean he was pro-slavery--it meant that he put first things first for the overall good of society. Slaves couldn't be truly free in a "divided Union."
Proposition 8 and its equivalents in AZ and FL did the same thing. THE FOUNDATION HAS TO BE PRESERVED FIRST. Then we can talk about equitable solutions.
Opinion | 12:13 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Fools who march to win the right to justify their sin.
magnus | 12:13 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Two things
#1 Getting married is not a "right", being free to choose to be gay and live with your partner is a right.
#2 Legally, Marraige is whatever the people decide it is, the people have spoken and decided that Marrage is between a man and a woman.
get over it and go sign up for a common law union or some orther thing that is legally the same as marraige and stop trying to force others to change their centuries old religious traditions.
#1 Getting married is not a "right", being free to choose to be gay and live with your partner is a right.
#2 Legally, Marraige is whatever the people decide it is, the people have spoken and decided that Marrage is between a man and a woman.
get over it and go sign up for a common law union or some orther thing that is legally the same as marraige and stop trying to force others to change their centuries old religious traditions.
arizona | 12:13 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Way to go mormons stand up for what you believe. Laugh it up gays your
�winning� my support with your
childish behavior..
Greg in Japan!! | 12:14 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I think it is awesome that Proposition 8 passed. It stands for the very
principles the world has used since the dawn of time. And it is the way it
should be. No rights were taken away. It just brought back the some of the
world back to where it needed to be. God bless the people that voted yes. Its
nice to know California still has enough people that know the difference between
right and wrong.
Anonymous | 12:15 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
What scares me is that only 52% have moral convictions.
Wayne in El Paso | 12:15 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Standng up for good will always be subject to critism. In society today, the
liberal media and their kin will always line up against anyone with strong
religious beliefs. It is typical of Democrats to always take the side of anyone
that has views contrary to those of our founding fathers. Why these people so
desperately want to destory our society and the values that made this country
great is difficult to understand.
Wendy | 12:17 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
In the state of California all people have equal rights. There is no
discrimination to anyone. Every person has the right to marry their heterosexual
mate. All gay and lesbian couples have the legal freedom to marry the partner of
their choosing in a domestic partnership. This is recognized in the state of
California as having every legal right as a marriage does. This is not about
equal rights, what they want is the title of marriage.
tourist_bypassing_utah | 12:17 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
We had intially thought about skiing in Utah this winter, but just read about
this wrong doing by the Mormon church, supporting Prop 8.
If it is true or not, we prefer to spend money elsewhere, someplace that does not discriminate
In these tough times , the traveler does have many
affordable choices other then Utah.
If it is true or not, we prefer to spend money elsewhere, someplace that does not discriminate
In these tough times , the traveler does have many
affordable choices other then Utah.
Love not hate | 12:17 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The actions of a few followers always seem to ruin it for the gay community and
a few followers ruin it for the Church's position. Let's be kind.
From what I've seen, the leaders of both sides seem reasonable. What would
be a compromise solution? Let's think of a beautiful word. Call it
"United" for gays with civil rights and "Marriage" for
straights with civil rights. Both would need a divorce to dissolve the union.
That seems fair!
Let the tyrants keep it up | 12:18 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The Deuce,
"However, the people voting No on Prop 8 wanted to take this issue to a vote and they got it. This issue is only found in a few states on both the east and west coast of the US. The sleeping giant lives in between. If you want to "bring it on" I am afraid that you may get your wish. Your protests continue to divide and create more hatred. Let's get moving forward and not backward."
They can keep pushing because it would be easy for us to get 34 state legislatures to agree to call a constitutional convention to define marriage as one man and one woman and it wouldn't be hard for us to get 4 more to agree to it either.
So I say bring it on because we are prepared to protect our rights. If they keep this up we won't have any other option but to resort to drastic measures and call a national Constitutional Convention.
"However, the people voting No on Prop 8 wanted to take this issue to a vote and they got it. This issue is only found in a few states on both the east and west coast of the US. The sleeping giant lives in between. If you want to "bring it on" I am afraid that you may get your wish. Your protests continue to divide and create more hatred. Let's get moving forward and not backward."
They can keep pushing because it would be easy for us to get 34 state legislatures to agree to call a constitutional convention to define marriage as one man and one woman and it wouldn't be hard for us to get 4 more to agree to it either.
So I say bring it on because we are prepared to protect our rights. If they keep this up we won't have any other option but to resort to drastic measures and call a national Constitutional Convention.
Polynesian Brothers | 12:20 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I watched the video of our polynesian Brothers at the LA Temple on the internet.
I understand they were arrested. It was obvious they were caught up in the heat
of the moment and seeing the temple desecrated and the police doing nothing
about it. I am not condoning in any way violence toward any person. I hope CA
members will make sure they get the best defense they can. These guys did what
many of us were feeling. Lets not leave these guys out to dry like the
evangelicals have done to the Church for standing up for their faith in the heat
of the moment. Please.
boldlygo | 12:22 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
This was never, ever about protecting marriage. The YES on 8 people hide their
bigotry and small mindness behind church and god. I am reminded of the bumper
sticker "If the fetus you save is gay, will you still fight for its rights?
presto | 12:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
people should be able to love who they want. there are plenty of straight
couples that cheat on each other and have pathetic relationships. why should
they get more of a right to be together then somebody who actually loves each
other. gays aren't going to go away eventually with the world becoming more
and more liberal they will get their rights. they ARN'T going to just die
away so we should just make it easier and not spend 20 million every year to
prolong it.
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I think it is ironic that the rescinding of Executive Order Number 44, dated October 27, 1838, issued by Missouri Governor W. Boggs, "The Mormon Extermination Act" was only struck from the laws of Missouri in 1976.
Homosexuals who choose to attack anyone, including "Mormons" need to get a grip when they choose to pick on a people who more then any other, save only the African American population, know what it means to be discriminated against.
Your cause is not just. Get over yourselves and your unwillingness to see that what you are doing is not justifiable in any law book or constitution including the original law book, the Holy Bible.