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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Joseph McCarthy | 7:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Let's purge California, and then the United States, of all homophobes!!!
Let's track down every single person who donated time and/or money to the
'Yes on 8' campaign!! Let's riot and block places of worship that
supported this vile, intolorant legislation!!
Who will join me in my witch hunt against the majority who selfishly wants to retain their rights??! How dare they engage in the Democratic process and pass such intolorant legislation!! Do the homophobes honestly think this is a free country or something?
Target, track, attack! KILL!!!!!
Don't forget your torches and pitch-forks! Guns and explosives would ceartainly help! With all those who oppose the gay minority thrusting its agenda upon the majority and forcing all of society to conform killed, we, the gay rights activists, can hypocriticaly draft another amandment to overthrough Prop 8. Then we can, hypocriticaly, can take advantage of the democratic process with none to oppose us!!
Who will join me in my witch hunt against the majority who selfishly wants to retain their rights??! How dare they engage in the Democratic process and pass such intolorant legislation!! Do the homophobes honestly think this is a free country or something?
Target, track, attack! KILL!!!!!
Don't forget your torches and pitch-forks! Guns and explosives would ceartainly help! With all those who oppose the gay minority thrusting its agenda upon the majority and forcing all of society to conform killed, we, the gay rights activists, can hypocriticaly draft another amandment to overthrough Prop 8. Then we can, hypocriticaly, can take advantage of the democratic process with none to oppose us!!
Vote? | 7:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Vote? What is a vote? I thought it was the right to represent my views as to
how my society and its governance ought to proceed. I thought the majority
ruled in a republic democracy such as the United States. Hum, rioting against
the majority vote. Oh-Oh-No! Ouch,Bam, Oops- sorry, I forgot, I don't have
any rights unless they are monitored and approved by such minority violent
groups as gays and lesbians.
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rjf | 7:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There California is about 2% residents of members lds or 750,000. But Residents
of African American are more than members lds as about 2,269,200. Why angry
protesters stood front of LA Temple. They are blame Mormon or/and other
Religions for everything!
boycott? | 7:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
PLEASE boycott sundance
Please boycott our ski resorts
then WE can go!!!
Please boycott our ski resorts
then WE can go!!!
Robert Johnson | 7:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The mormon church help fund a campaign based on lies and deceit.
I hope all the mormons who contributed are proud that their money promulgated blatant lies. I know that Christ would be proud that a people who claim to take his name engaged in such a deceptive and despicable campaign.
I hope all the mormons who contributed are proud that their money promulgated blatant lies. I know that Christ would be proud that a people who claim to take his name engaged in such a deceptive and despicable campaign.
Watcher | 7:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Job 12: 23 "He makes nations great, and destroys them;He enlarges nations,
and guides them.
24 He takes away the understanding of the chiefs of the people of the earth, And makes them wander in a pathless wilderness."
And what a state of confusion California is sinking into! The smartest statement I have seen
by anyone on these forums was from a person who
said he is training to be a divorce lawyer in California - specializing in gay divorce. He
expects to make a lot of money.
God's message is written in nature. Homosexuality
is anti-nature. Our nation used to keep our most
precious possession (the Bible) with us always. Then
we started going after "things" and have left our
Bible somewhere and forgotten it. God calls us
back and invites us to seek His Word, and then
He will give us life abundant.
2 Chronicles 7:14 "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."
24 He takes away the understanding of the chiefs of the people of the earth, And makes them wander in a pathless wilderness."
And what a state of confusion California is sinking into! The smartest statement I have seen
by anyone on these forums was from a person who
said he is training to be a divorce lawyer in California - specializing in gay divorce. He
expects to make a lot of money.
God's message is written in nature. Homosexuality
is anti-nature. Our nation used to keep our most
precious possession (the Bible) with us always. Then
we started going after "things" and have left our
Bible somewhere and forgotten it. God calls us
back and invites us to seek His Word, and then
He will give us life abundant.
2 Chronicles 7:14 "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land."
Aaron | 7:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Mormon = Hate
aj | 7:39 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Cecil B. DeMille once said, "You can break yourself against the Ten
Commandments, but you cannot break the Commandments."
John Pack Lambert | 7:40 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I say do not bother to protest the legislators, work to get them defeated in
the next election, but protesting at their homes will do no good.
I am just wondering if the Utah Democrat Party still thinks it is on the verge of a come back. WIth three of its elected members joining a protest against the LDS Church it does not seem to be working on its get the LDS in line with us strategy.
I am just wondering if the Utah Democrat Party still thinks it is on the verge of a come back. WIth three of its elected members joining a protest against the LDS Church it does not seem to be working on its get the LDS in line with us strategy.
Boycott | 7:41 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To 7:25 p.m.:
Utah values stay in Utah; California values stay in California.....California money goes somewhere outside of Utah....Branding of Utah as very intolerant and with a busybody obsession with what others do.....Make Utah very unhip and uncool....Go to Vail, stay in California....
Utah values stay in Utah; California values stay in California.....California money goes somewhere outside of Utah....Branding of Utah as very intolerant and with a busybody obsession with what others do.....Make Utah very unhip and uncool....Go to Vail, stay in California....
Just a matter of time | 7:45 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Pro-gay judges will fill the courts of our land and they will rule against your
Church for "discrimination". You "religious nuts" will lose
your freedom of religion! Doesn't matter what the voters say with their
intitiatives. Judges who legislate from the benches are running this country now
and in the future.You will be forced to preform same sex marriages or go
extinct! Other more "enlightend" churches have already caught on. When
will you?
Maria Sanchez | 7:45 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm a Mormon and grateful that my Church would stand up for marriage as a
sacred institution between a man and a woman. It strikes me funny that the gay
community are beating their chests trying to make a lot of noise. I was proud
to have people of all faiths join in on this issue. It wasn't just
Mormons. Anyway, the protests really weren't that substantive. I saw the
LA protests. The news reported anywhere from 1,000 to 10,000. Laughable. By
my own estimate they had about 800 at the height of their protest. I would
think they could do better than that. I actually like the attention the church
is getting. I think it unifies the decent people of the world. So a message to
the California and Utah protesters - can you get more people out please so our
church will get more media attention. Our young missionaries could use the
help.
If our Church | 7:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
is made up of such bigotry, I wonder if it really is the true church? My
testimony has always been about how God loves each of us and how we are all part
of His family. As our Church as shown such disdane for part of Gods creation, I
am sure that many believers are going to move on and worship somewhere else. I
for one will be asking for my name and my families names to be taken off of the
official records, because I want nothing to do with an organization who deals in
hate.
Robert | 7:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Please read the Proclamation on the Family. We believe it IS from JESUS CHRIST
HIMSELF.
MaKayla | 7:49 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
MaKayla, would you marry me?
Re: aaron | 7:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
go down to watch the protestors a while, you will see who the real haters are!
LII | 7:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
So much is said about "rights". Aren't people with same-gender
attraction entitled to marry someone of the opposite gender? Aren't people
with opposite-gender attraction prohibited from legally marrying someone of the
same gender? Of course, the argument that people with same-gender attraction
should be granted civil rights class status has been repeated so often that many
believe it's true. But that is still a stretch for most people. We expect
people with other compulsions (tendency toward pedophilia, for example) to
control their urges. Why shouldn't people with same-gender attraction be
expected to exercise restraint? I believe that what this really boils down to is
that some people want to somehow legitimize wrong behavior by forcing the rest
of us to enshrine it into (marriage) law. Even if that happens, such behavior
will still be wrong. As President Kimball once said (paraphrasing), "Even
if the whole world believed that homosexual relations were right, it would still
be wrong."
Will defend my freedom | 7:51 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Robert Johnson,
"The mormon church help fund a campaign based on lies and deceit."
Kind of like the video of Mormon missionaries going into a gay couples house, confiscating their rings and tearing up their marriage certificate. Give me one single incident that this occurred or prove to everyone that those who support same-sex marriage are liars.
"I hope all the mormons who contributed are proud that their money promulgated blatant lies. I know that Christ would be proud that a people who claim to take his name engaged in such a deceptive and despicable campaign."
I'm sure he would be proud of you calling us liars for voting and for taking part in the political arena. I'm sure that is exactly what he would do. I'm also sure he would to to places of worship and terrorize those who want to worship in peace like the tyrants did tonight in Salt Lake City and the other day in Los Angeles.
I hope you are happy with yourself because its obvious that you don't know any shame and don't have a problem using Christ as a weapon against all who defy your tyranny. Give us liberty or give us death.
"The mormon church help fund a campaign based on lies and deceit."
Kind of like the video of Mormon missionaries going into a gay couples house, confiscating their rings and tearing up their marriage certificate. Give me one single incident that this occurred or prove to everyone that those who support same-sex marriage are liars.
"I hope all the mormons who contributed are proud that their money promulgated blatant lies. I know that Christ would be proud that a people who claim to take his name engaged in such a deceptive and despicable campaign."
I'm sure he would be proud of you calling us liars for voting and for taking part in the political arena. I'm sure that is exactly what he would do. I'm also sure he would to to places of worship and terrorize those who want to worship in peace like the tyrants did tonight in Salt Lake City and the other day in Los Angeles.
I hope you are happy with yourself because its obvious that you don't know any shame and don't have a problem using Christ as a weapon against all who defy your tyranny. Give us liberty or give us death.
Shaun | 7:51 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
TO EVERYONE MAD AT US MORMONS:
The more you hate and persecute us for doing what is right and legal under the Constitution, the more we're going to grow in numbers and strength and LOVE towards you!
You oppose yourselves and know it not.
The more you hate and persecute us for doing what is right and legal under the Constitution, the more we're going to grow in numbers and strength and LOVE towards you!
You oppose yourselves and know it not.
John Pack Lambert | 7:52 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To the 7:20 poster,
You seem to be ignorant of Sonia Johnson and the pro-ERA protestors, as well as the protests for Thomas Murphy.
There is nothing new here, there are many past protests. The rhetoric of the people attacking the church on Prop 8 can be traced through a long history of vitriol in anti-Mormon website.
I wish we would be more civil in our statements. However, when saying "homosexuality is a sin" gets you denounced as uncivil, it becomes hard to speak the truth and still be civil.
You seem to be ignorant of Sonia Johnson and the pro-ERA protestors, as well as the protests for Thomas Murphy.
There is nothing new here, there are many past protests. The rhetoric of the people attacking the church on Prop 8 can be traced through a long history of vitriol in anti-Mormon website.
I wish we would be more civil in our statements. However, when saying "homosexuality is a sin" gets you denounced as uncivil, it becomes hard to speak the truth and still be civil.
Ryan | 7:53 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Hate = Mormon + Ignorance / False Teachings
John | 7:54 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Homosexual=Intolerant
bodymek | 8:00 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I Want My Rights Too:
They're not special rights. They're equal rights. Read a book.
They're not special rights. They're equal rights. Read a book.
Boycotting Utah? from TX | 8:03 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Let's see- we are having a economic downturn. Most people will stay home or
in their community instead of traveling. Oh man oh man! Utahans, you have the
slopes, the restauarants, the concerts, games, and all of the beauty of the
Rockies! Oh Baby Cakes, are you going to have a banner year of money making and
enjoyment like no where else. I am sooo envious. And the public areas will be
filled with good people of sound values. Oh please- please can I come and
partake of your miserable existance without the gay pride and elistist
boycotting you. We will "suffer" together on the slopes in white soft
powder.
Clark Roger Larsen | 8:04 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm looking at Aaron's comment and wondering to myself, "Has he
ever met me? Has he ever met my wife or my parents or my siblings?"
Isn't tolerance and understanding supposed to be a two-way street? Or is that not politically correct? Isn't ignorance something any person can be guilty of, or is it okay for some people to be ignorant, based on what is and isn't politcally correct?
Aaron, If you were my co-worker or neighbor, I would want to go to know you. I would want to be your friend, and even if you didn't think much of my religion, that's okay. Because true understanding and love comes from reaching out to those different from yourself.
We may disagree about same-sex marriage, Aaron. But I think we can agree that mutual respect and understanding is something everyone must strive towards, while ignorance must ALWAYS be shunned.
I pray that all protests, either for or against Prop 8, can be preaceful, orderly, and give people the chance to ask themselves, "What can I do to better reach out, in love and understanding, to those who diagree with me?"
Isn't tolerance and understanding supposed to be a two-way street? Or is that not politically correct? Isn't ignorance something any person can be guilty of, or is it okay for some people to be ignorant, based on what is and isn't politcally correct?
Aaron, If you were my co-worker or neighbor, I would want to go to know you. I would want to be your friend, and even if you didn't think much of my religion, that's okay. Because true understanding and love comes from reaching out to those different from yourself.
We may disagree about same-sex marriage, Aaron. But I think we can agree that mutual respect and understanding is something everyone must strive towards, while ignorance must ALWAYS be shunned.
I pray that all protests, either for or against Prop 8, can be preaceful, orderly, and give people the chance to ask themselves, "What can I do to better reach out, in love and understanding, to those who diagree with me?"
Law of Chastity | 8:07 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Do you know that if people would live the law of chastity, there would be no
STD's, almost no poverty, and very little crime? Why don't we all just
obey God and save ourselves and others so much misery? If I(the weakest of all
who can be called saints) can do it, so can you! Our real enemy is disobedience,
not each other.
To protesters and LDS members | 8:09 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To those protesting and supporting gay marriage: The LDS church and other
religious entities are speaking out according to their beliefs in what they feel
is moral and just for society and before God. They are not targeting the value
or worth of a human life, as was the case during the civil right movement. They
have repeatedly stated that we are to love and honor every person as a human
being. They are speaking out against an issue that they feel is based on
morality, not on humanity.
To the members (not leaders) of the LDS church (of which I am a supporting member): We can support our leaders and stand up for our beliefs without slinging scriptural references directed at those opposing our beliefs. We can civilly respect the gay community's beliefs and offer them the same decency that we are hoping for, even if we differ in the content of those beliefs. Nobody likes to be preached to or told they are evil. Although I oppose the practice, I know of many gay people who are good, decent people in this world. We can extend great love and still follow our convictions.
To the members (not leaders) of the LDS church (of which I am a supporting member): We can support our leaders and stand up for our beliefs without slinging scriptural references directed at those opposing our beliefs. We can civilly respect the gay community's beliefs and offer them the same decency that we are hoping for, even if we differ in the content of those beliefs. Nobody likes to be preached to or told they are evil. Although I oppose the practice, I know of many gay people who are good, decent people in this world. We can extend great love and still follow our convictions.
Anti-PC Infidel | 8:09 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
>stand up for our rights
What? You have the right to change the meaning of a word that billions of people have used in a specific way for thousands of years? WOW! You're pretty special!
What? You have the right to change the meaning of a word that billions of people have used in a specific way for thousands of years? WOW! You're pretty special!
No Worries | 8:12 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This will bring far more people to the LDS faith. If gays were marching on the
Catholic Church I would be for the Catholics.
The truth | 8:12 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
So if prop 8 hadn't passed, and those who lost, started protesting and
defacing churches that had helped defeat it, we surely would hear from the Gay
Community that the protesters were lawless anti democratic lunatics not willing
to abide by the rule of law. If you don't like what the law abiding
coalition of citizens from California have legally voted for, then either go
somewhere like Europe which embraces Gay marriage or MAN UP and GROW UP. Your
feeble attack on the people of the LDS church isn't helping your cause.
It's only strenghtening the resolve of the Non LDS millions who supported
the proposistion and generating empathy for those willing to voice opposistion.
America can clearly see your angry intolerance against the democratic system.
Persecution for their beliefs is nothing new. Check your history, because YOU
ARE LATE COMERS where angry words, threats and violence are used against the
Mormon people. If they can survive being driven from their homes and coming
west, this must seem like a walk through Golden Gate Park.
Comedy | 8:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I find it funny that people talk about believing in GOD and that the church does
not believe in GOD by not wanting gay marriage to take place. It is a teaching
in the Bible which causes us to think in the manner in which we do. What Bible
are you reading? What gospel do you preach? Why are you so open now to the
subject when so many people kept their sexuality a secret? We have always had
this stand and will continue to do so. Protest all you want. We are just
looking out for you in the first place. How you view that is up to you.
Be Still and Know | 8:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Gay people have the right to marry just like everyone else. They just don't
have a special right to marry someone of the same sex.
lets think about this | 8:21 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Why should freedom of speech only apply to people of the gay community? These
protesters are attempting to take away the first amendments rights of people of
faith. They are trying to intimidate people into not exercising their first
amendment right, why they exercise their own rights to free speech. Separation
of church and state does not mean the people of faith do not have a right to
vote or use free speech. Don�t take rights away from
others that you would not want to have taken from you. I think we should be
careful not to take away others rights to free speech even when we
don�t agree with them. We could start the country on a
road the end with none of us having basic rights.
THE BOOB | 8:22 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It's my prop and I'll cry if I want too...Cry if I want too. You would
cry too, If it happened to you.
Danny C. | 8:23 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Yeah, they'll come. They'll march. They'll shout and wave their
flimsy signs. Then they'll go home.
And what good will it do them? None whatsoever.
And what good will it do them? None whatsoever.
JMW | 8:23 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Ok so I read this post on here
"I'm having a hard time understanding people that want to be different from what has been established for hundreds of years in accordance to the laws of marriage but excpect to get all of the same benefits. When you chose to be gay you consiouscly choose to give up certain rights and privilages. Either live with the consequences of your choice or buy a island way out in the middle of the pacific and create your own little gay society. Quite trying to be different and fit in at the same time."
Well didn't the African Americans do this same thing a few years back. They protested and kept fight for things that had been against the accordance of laws for years. Now look at what we have today a Black President. I really think that overtime we will see our society as a whole change and become accepting to Gay's. I don't mean every single person will accept it but as a whole it will be accepted. I do agree that this protest won't change the LDS church's view but it might make a difference for others in the community.
"I'm having a hard time understanding people that want to be different from what has been established for hundreds of years in accordance to the laws of marriage but excpect to get all of the same benefits. When you chose to be gay you consiouscly choose to give up certain rights and privilages. Either live with the consequences of your choice or buy a island way out in the middle of the pacific and create your own little gay society. Quite trying to be different and fit in at the same time."
Well didn't the African Americans do this same thing a few years back. They protested and kept fight for things that had been against the accordance of laws for years. Now look at what we have today a Black President. I really think that overtime we will see our society as a whole change and become accepting to Gay's. I don't mean every single person will accept it but as a whole it will be accepted. I do agree that this protest won't change the LDS church's view but it might make a difference for others in the community.
Sandy Dandy | 8:26 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Section 297.5 of the California Family Code reads:
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
Please explain to me the differences in substantive rights between marriages and domestic partnerships in CA.
297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
Please explain to me the differences in substantive rights between marriages and domestic partnerships in CA.
Aaron | 8:28 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Still seems like some pretty hateful stuff to me, ya'll. I've always
thought of you folks (LDS) as some pretty Christ-like individuals until now.
Where is the tolerance? Where is the brotherly love? Where is the separation of
church and state? Don't tell me you can't understand why the gay
community is fired up about this. Beyond the marriage issue, your support of
this initiative is an affirmation of your willingness to discriminate against
them. That's why I typed "Mormon = Hate" above. That's
what this looks like to them and anyone else with an objective view of your
church's involvement.
Anonymous | 8:29 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Old Scratch, the adversary is behind all this hatred toward the LDS church.
Where is the anger against the Catholic, evangelical, other protestant churches?
Where is the anger against the hispanic and black communities?
Move on | 8:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
First of all, there were over FIVE MILLION people who voted in favor of Prop 8.
Only 2% of those who voted are members of the church. And who is to say they
all voted "yes?" You do the math. If Prop 8 had failed do you think
members of the church would be protesting the defeat all over the place? Hardly.
As one who was personal witness to Yes on 8 signs being vandalized, cars being
vandalized for having a bumper sticker on it, and young mothers with their young
children at their side being accosted, chased down the street and called names
because they were placing door hangers on doors of homes where people said they
were already going to vote "yes," those demanding equality and
tolerance, were, and yet remain the most intolerant.
bodymek | 8:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm not gay. I'm not LDS. Yet I believe both are entitled to their
own freedoms. The mormons were chased literally out of Ohio and Kansas, and
they settled here in SLC...so they could practice their beliefs without being
harassed. Gay's want their liberties recognized as well. I have a hard
time understanding how anyone else can feel wronged by that. It isn't as
though it has any impact on a non-gay person whatsoever. So what is everyone
arguing over? I'm confused.
dendel | 8:36 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
An interesting quote from the "article 6 Blog":
"I�ll say it again - they�re targeting the wrong people. While the Mormon Church may have encouraged large donations to the Yes on 8 cause, it wasn�t the votes of the Mormons that put the measure over the top. It was the votes of blacks and Latinos who turned out in large numbers for Barack Obama and voted something like 70%-30% for the measure.
If you want to protest the people who were the most responsible for passing the measure, take your angry LGBT crowd and bus them down to South Central or East L.A. and call those people bigots and homophobes. I�d pay good money to see that."
From an involved Californian to our friends in Utah.
"I�ll say it again - they�re targeting the wrong people. While the Mormon Church may have encouraged large donations to the Yes on 8 cause, it wasn�t the votes of the Mormons that put the measure over the top. It was the votes of blacks and Latinos who turned out in large numbers for Barack Obama and voted something like 70%-30% for the measure.
If you want to protest the people who were the most responsible for passing the measure, take your angry LGBT crowd and bus them down to South Central or East L.A. and call those people bigots and homophobes. I�d pay good money to see that."
From an involved Californian to our friends in Utah.
Sarah | 8:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I was down there tonight to side with the LDS Church, because I believe that
President Monson, President Eyring and President Uchtdorf are prophets of God.
People at that rally were horrible. They screamed at us, insulted us and our
beliefs, threw things at us, called us all manner of names, and one girl spit on
me. We just smiled and said nothing, but for them to treat us like that while
claiming to be on the side of love and tolerance is astonishing.
They claimed this was about politics, but there was nothing political about it. It was purely about hate for the LDS Church.
Like somebody earlier said, I've never felt such kinship with the early members of the Church than I do today.
They claimed this was about politics, but there was nothing political about it. It was purely about hate for the LDS Church.
Like somebody earlier said, I've never felt such kinship with the early members of the Church than I do today.
Utah, I am serious! | 8:38 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am here in Texas. Home of the Bible Belt, Southern Baptists, Church of Christ,
Baylor University, Southern Methodist University, etc. It rarely snows here. I
cannot ski in Texas. Please, can I come to your boycotted state? Can I bring
loads of my Christian friends who have the same family values as "Utah
Mormons"? They would love to see the mountains, ski, go to a Utah Jazz
game
( as long as they are not playing San Antonio or Dallas)and hear the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They are nuts about how great they sing. Can we drive around and go to southerm Utah and show them Zion's Park and Moab (what a place to start a river run and see the Arches!)? This is making me want to come to a boycott party in Utah sooooo bad! I promise to spend all my money in Utah before I get on the plane to Texas. Is it a deal?
( as long as they are not playing San Antonio or Dallas)and hear the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They are nuts about how great they sing. Can we drive around and go to southerm Utah and show them Zion's Park and Moab (what a place to start a river run and see the Arches!)? This is making me want to come to a boycott party in Utah sooooo bad! I promise to spend all my money in Utah before I get on the plane to Texas. Is it a deal?
Mike eldredge jr. | 8:38 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
there is no difference between discriminating agianst black people, gay people,
mormons, or any other people. you are all a bunch of bigots. why cant you just
keep your beliefs to yourselfs and leave the rest of us humans alone?
lighten up | 8:39 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
How many protesters does it take to change a lightbulb? Three. One to change the
lightbulb and two to say "Faaaaaaabbulooooouuuussssss"
Force government to publish them | 8:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The truth,
"So if prop 8 hadn't passed, and those who lost, started protesting and defacing churches that had helped defeat it, we surely would hear from the Gay Community that the protesters were lawless anti democratic lunatics not willing to abide by the rule of law."
There you go making me wish the shoe was on the other foot. I would like to give them a dish of their own medicine.
"It's only strengthening the resolve of the Non LDS millions who supported the proposition and generating empathy for those willing to voice opposition."
Those who see this complete disregard for the rights of members of the Church will lose all respect for these tyrants who want to impose same-sex marriage on the majority. It kind of makes me wish they will continue their persecution of the Church because of our votes and participation in free elections since it will increase the solidarity of those same-sex marriage advocates are persecuting.
"America can clearly see your angry intolerance against the democratic system."
They hate freedom and republican government. Next the government will be required to not only not prohibit freedom of speech but also publish them.
"So if prop 8 hadn't passed, and those who lost, started protesting and defacing churches that had helped defeat it, we surely would hear from the Gay Community that the protesters were lawless anti democratic lunatics not willing to abide by the rule of law."
There you go making me wish the shoe was on the other foot. I would like to give them a dish of their own medicine.
"It's only strengthening the resolve of the Non LDS millions who supported the proposition and generating empathy for those willing to voice opposition."
Those who see this complete disregard for the rights of members of the Church will lose all respect for these tyrants who want to impose same-sex marriage on the majority. It kind of makes me wish they will continue their persecution of the Church because of our votes and participation in free elections since it will increase the solidarity of those same-sex marriage advocates are persecuting.
"America can clearly see your angry intolerance against the democratic system."
They hate freedom and republican government. Next the government will be required to not only not prohibit freedom of speech but also publish them.
awsomeron | 8:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I would hope that Not Many Members would attend, tonight is Friday Night, which
is Date Night. I would not waste a good Date Night, doing that. It is Cold in
Salt Lake, I would just want to be inside and warm. My Daughter 18 is going to
her 1st Singles Dance, she is going by herself, but the Temp will be close to 78
degrees when its time to go. Light Trade Winds and Clear Sky. I am dropping off,
mother is picking up on her way home from work. Tomorrow we dedicate a New
Chapel (open house),we built in and Industrial Park. Nice Chapel, will support 3
Wards. We chose the Industrial Park, because of the Land and Few Neighbors. We
are not the Only Church out there. Doing that avoided several years of Fighting.
After that a driving lesson. I have been pushing Single Adult Events, so I had
to put up or shut up. Down side of being an Older Parent.
Tolerance | 8:43 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
For those in the gay community, tolerance is a one-way street.
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