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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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To LDS in CA-"spewing"?

I was born and raised in CA. I lived in a suburb of LA for 30 years. I have friends of every race, religion, and sexual preference. The only "spewing" going on is by those who oppose defining marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. I have friends whose home was vandalized because of a pro prop 8 sign in their yard. Moreover, their sidewalk and driveway sported foul bigoted lanuage. The police told them the only remedy or recourse they had was to take the sign out of their yard! I didn't see anything in the media about THAT one. Now the property of a sacred religious place has been damaged by those who did it in the name of "acceptance" and "love" for all? Hmmm...not so loving huh? Of course you love your son. Of course you want him to be happy. No one wants to deny that to him. But please, don't call quietly defending ones moral and religious beliefs "spewing". The only thing being denied to homosexuals is the religious legitimization of an act that has boldly been delcared by the Maker of us all to be out of harmony with His plan.

Utahn living in New York

It's interesting to watch this debate from outside of Utah and California. As I read this comment thread, I keep thinking. Do my fellow Mormons not see the ultimate irony and hypocrisy of the Church's support for Prop8? Just over a 100 years ago, we were the ones fighting for the acceptance of the "Mormon" definition of marriage (e.g. one many/many wives). I find it horribly ironic that in 100 years we have gone from being the persecuted to being the persecutors. It's very disheartening to see that our leaders would prefer us to devote our time and energy in order to marginalize 10% of the population. With all of the travesties, poverty, and war in this world, you would think the First Presidency would their energy focused on these issues. And that 6 point "Commentary on what would happened if Prop8 fails" that was passed around in chruch really made me angry. As a lawyer, I found that the reasoning in it was totally deceptive and misleading. Going down that road only opened the church to more criticism.

Anonymous

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

This is how majority rule has ruined American.

LoveToAll

It's weird to me that people are treating "gay's" as if they are not regular human beings but rather a "special" group of people that need "special" rights for their immorality. Yes, we are to love all of God's children but that doesn't mean that we have to accept or condone their lifestyle. Parents don't need to choose their religion over their children's behavior. The Mormon religion teaches parents to love their Lost Children, to pray, support and help their children come back to our Savior, Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven. It's not a Crytal Ball that is used to see that it's the best thing for families, it called SPIRITUALITY!

Jonathan

I've seen 5 year olds who don't get their way act the same way........

Democracy in California

The majority of California voters went to the polls to excerise their civic duty, outcome...the majority voted for passage of proposition 8. Though the Gay and Lesbian say they are disappointed and hurt it appears they cannot acccept the truth. Like an upset adolesent they turn to name calling,lies and causing civil unrest on city streets and hiways in So. California. On local news one gay man commented "We will have thousands of transvesites here every night at the Morman Temple if needed". It is interesting to note the protesters have not the courage to protest at the doors or gates of the AME church in South Central L.A.. The Gay community is rapidly losing respect and supporters by the thousands as result of their chilish actions since the election on Tuesday.

Anonymous

We have genocide in Darfur, we have AIDS ravaging Africa, Breast Cancer is killing millions, Hunger, homeless on the streets, Iraq and Afghan War vets not getting treatment for PTSD and other related injuries.... but of course the most dangerous thing to humanity is two guys down the street getting married, so let's throw all of our money time and effort to defeating these liberal judges.

When did we as Christians and LDS become the Pharisees? How in the last 100 years has the LDS church gone from the hunted minority cult to the big bully on the playground.

You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.

I am embarrassed to be called not only a Christian and a Mormon. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the LDS conference Center... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, and "Hung out with"

It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the roll of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The Church has taken on this modern day roll!

maddmob

When prop 8 went your way (homosexual) I am not clear where the LDS people had there 4000 person march and where did we vandalize, whine and moan?Oh ya, we didn't...We took our rights based upon our correct beliefs and VOTED to not have our families morally shredded.The family,by the way,is the most fundemental structure since the beginning of time and along come the homosexuals in 2008 and think "Well,we will just change the most natural thing God has given us,no big deal."Pretty sure God didn't give girl on girl or guy on guy the right to procreate,when you can change that call me and I'll switch to your side.And what in the world does taxes have to do with marriage?It's fishing.Do as you want but when you attack the most sacred gift known to man,my family,we are not going to hell without a fight.

Friend of Plain & Simple

Let's take the post beginnint "We have genocide..." and rewrite it from the other side, just for kicks:

We have genocide in Darfur, we have AIDS ravaging Africa, Breast Cancer is killing millions, ETC.... but of course the most important LIBERAL AGENDA is to REDEFINE MARRIAGE SO two guys down the street CAN PRETEND TO BE married, so let's throw all of our money time and effort to defeating the WILL OF THE CALIFORNIA VOTERS.

When did we as RADICAL GAYS become the DICTATORS OF SOCIAL POLICY? How in the last 30 years has the GAY COMMUNITY gone from the CLOSETED cult to the big bully on the playground?

You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.

I am embarrassed to be called a HOMOSEXUAL. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the GLBT HEADQUARTERS... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, AND HOW HE TOLD SINNERS TO SIN NO MORE.

It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the ROLE of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The GAYS have taken on this modern day ROLE!

Touche, eh?

just a person

I will continue to fight against that, wich is contrary to the teachings of jesus christ. Homosexuality is not condoned in any way or form in the scriptures. If that doesn't sway their thinking and they just desire gay marriage because straight people can get married,then talk to my two and four year old children. Becuse you can't always get what you want.Beside that point marriage is ordained of God. It states that a man will take a women and there become one before God.It is plainely stated. If you decide to through God out of the picture and make it fit your requirements then thankyou for fullfiling a prophecy and makeing the second comeing, come a bit sooner.

Anonymous 1:20 AM

Also, one other thing to you. You don't think the church is well aware of all the problems on the earth and uses its resources to help others?? The church spends untold millions of dollars each year in worthy causes to help other people. And where does that money come from? From the members of the church who faithfully pay their tithes and offerings.

You are embarrased to be called a Christian and a Mormon? And all because the church felt like it was right and proper to define holy matimony as being between a man and a woman. Unbelievable.

Jake

This is not about discrimination. This is about a distinction among different behaviors. All laws distinguish among different kinds of behavior. All laws are based on what people believe to be good versus what they believe to be wrong. All laws have a moral foundation.

25 Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may be judged according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord.
26 Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your lawto do your business by the voice of the people.
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.

NB OC, CA

I like how people are accusing the Church of lying to get Prop 8 passed when the Church never produced any materials in support of Prop 8. The only thing SLC ever put on paper was a letter to members asking them to support Prop 8, and the reasoning given was that this was a moral issue. Any ads providing other reasoning were produced by the various coalitions and were funded only in part by individual members, not SLC.

Great-should be good for tourism

Anything that brings money into the state's economy is GREAT!

Protest the Mormons, buy gas, buy food, stay at hotels, go shopping, protest some more, stay long enough ski, spend more money...

Is doesn't matter why they're here, they're here! Booya! Ka-ching! Thanks for the money (and by the way, your protests aren't going to change the minds of the Mormon old men).

Sifting

Judging by a lot of these comments there is going to be some serious sifting of the wheat from the tares going on in the LDS church. I'm shocked at how many LDS members don't comprehend their own religion. It seems a lot of the members come because of the social aspect. These people are not going to last.

MMM

Civil Rights: OK, everyone have the right to be supported by the goberment as equal...as human being...BUT "Religious Marriage" IF YOU REALLY believe in God and want to live by GOD'S LAW, not changing for your convenience, Dont fight agaisnt THAT LAW, God doesnt change, He said Man and Woman, THAT IS NOT MY LAW, OS GOD'S LAW!!!

stop already

What an absurd amount of time wasted on such none christen like behaviors, if you are tired of people viewing the LDS church so negatively then stop posting on these ridiculous threads and get out and help your community and your neighbors regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. You do not have to approve of every part of a persons life to show them a little christen love.

True Colors

We are now seeing the true colors of the gay rights movement. They vandalise church property and harass people as they go to church. And they do this becuase they didn't get their way. If prop 8 would have been defeated do you think LDS people would have been keying cars, breaking windows and picketing gay rights people? I don't think so. Prop 8 was voted on and passed by the voters. I guess this doesn't count if you are gay. Gay people should have special rights and not have to pay attention to what the majority wants. I didn't vote for Obama. Gee maybe I should start breaking the windows of homes that belong to Obama supporters. Maybe I should try and get some activist judges to put McCain in the whitehouse. Who cares what people voted for? Come on people. What is a demacracy good for if what the people vote for is not upheld? I'm afraid gays are going to get their way no matter what the people want. The system is too corrupt to work anymore.

no more

no more G and L. California voted. The foundng fathers spoke of. This country was no intended to be a play ground for the travesty of G and L.

momof4

As a mother of young children, I am NOT willing to let my innocent children be indoctrinated by people who thumb their noses at God's law. God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve. "We, The People" refuse to let you hijack the term "marriage" for your sick lifestyle. You have the same rights under a different name. Quit whining! Vandalism doesn't give you more credibility, it just shows your true colors. Oh, and by the way......you have not lost rights because gay people NEVER had the right to be married. FYI, LDS people out there who voted No on Prop 8......you will be held accountable for your actions by a higher law!

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