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Yes on 8 in Cali | 6:09 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Where are they going next? To Oakland and Watts to protest the Black
communities for voting Yes on 8? To the Vatican to protest the Catholics? Give
me a break! These people play the victim really well, but they are vicious.
They don't hesitate to use violence, flip their middle finger, cuss at you,
and threaten to burn your churches down if one doesn't accept their
despicable life style.
ah, no | 6:10 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
That's not "standing up for yourselves," that's singling out
on church to spew hatred at, in a spoiled brat attitude about not having enough
votes on "your" side. Very sore losers, very bad behavior. How can
they expect to be taken seriously when they are so nasty to people?????
disgusted... | 6:11 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
WHERE ARE THE CATHOLICS, EVANGELICALS, AND OTHER "CHRISTIANS" WHO
SHARE OUR MORALS AND BELIEFS WHEN IT COMES TO MARRIAGE AND FAMILIES???
oh, that's right, hiding in a hole because it isn't POPULAR right now to stand up for what you believe in...
And THEY doubt WE are christians!!!
oh, that's right, hiding in a hole because it isn't POPULAR right now to stand up for what you believe in...
And THEY doubt WE are christians!!!
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If I Only Had a Brain | 6:13 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
You Mormons remind me of Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, clicking her shoes
together and repeating ad nauseum "I want to go home." Your
"prophet" is just the same as the Wizard too, now that I think of it.
re: ashamed to be a mormon | 6:14 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I understand where you are coming from, but you must realize that if gay
marriage becomes legal and recognized by the state, then anyone who does not
believe in or accepts gay marriage will therefore be punished. The main reasons
why the Church fought for this was to protect the religious freedoms of those
who do not believe in gay marriage. The Church has stated that they support the
rights of gay couples. Gay couples should get all of the legal rights that
straight couples receive. But what this essentially comes down to is that the
liberal gay community wants to have their practices accepted by everyone, and
this is not going to happen. So, long live democracy and the power of the
vote!!
To Love thy Neighbor | 5:48 | 6:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I guess the comedy of your judgmental rant against judgmentalism is lost on
you.
But it is funny to the rest of us.
But it is funny to the rest of us.
victory | 6:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
What an amazing victory for the good of society!! I can't believe that
they are trying to compare this to the social rights movement of the 1960s and
1970s. Being gay is not the same as being a woman or being African American.
One must choose to be gay (contrary to what any liberal gay person would tell
you.) It is the same as someone who must choose to be an alcoholic, or a drug
user, or a smoker. Just because you have the temptation to be gay doesn't
mean that you have to act out on those temptations.
The statistic that 40 states have bans on gay marriage now was very encouraging. FAMILY VALUES!!!
The statistic that 40 states have bans on gay marriage now was very encouraging. FAMILY VALUES!!!
RM | 6:21 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I once attended an open house before a temple dedication on a very cold, blustry
day. There were protestors marching outside carrying signs and handing out
literature. A recent convert took several cups of hot chocolate and gave it to
the protestors because he felt sorry for them that it was so cold and miserable
outside. I thought what a act of christian charity! He didn't argue with
them or debate them, just gave them hot chocolate.
You demonstrate true ignorance | 6:21 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Which Church,
"Your own doctrine speaks out against what your church is doing."
It's no wonder you think marriage is a civil right if you read the Constitution the same way you read this scripture. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Here's why:
This scripture states that it is unjust to "mingle religious influence" with "civil government" where "one religious society is fostered" and another is "proscribed in its SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES."
Separate from that is: "and the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS of its members, as citizens, denied." Marriage is not a right since rights can't be granted or taken away by Government and marriage was granted by government.
Freedom of speech, religion, and right to peacefully assemble were not granted by the government but are "enumerated." These rights also are INDIVIDUAL and not collective. Your right to freedom of speech does not mean the government has to print or publish your opinions nor allow you to assemble in Congress.
Our religious opinions don't give us the right to
It saying "unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others" means individuals don't have the right to deny freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc.
"Your own doctrine speaks out against what your church is doing."
It's no wonder you think marriage is a civil right if you read the Constitution the same way you read this scripture. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Here's why:
This scripture states that it is unjust to "mingle religious influence" with "civil government" where "one religious society is fostered" and another is "proscribed in its SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES."
Separate from that is: "and the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS of its members, as citizens, denied." Marriage is not a right since rights can't be granted or taken away by Government and marriage was granted by government.
Freedom of speech, religion, and right to peacefully assemble were not granted by the government but are "enumerated." These rights also are INDIVIDUAL and not collective. Your right to freedom of speech does not mean the government has to print or publish your opinions nor allow you to assemble in Congress.
Our religious opinions don't give us the right to
It saying "unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others" means individuals don't have the right to deny freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc.
marcus0263 | 6:22 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
We do not believe it just to amingle religious influence with civil government,
whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its
spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens,
denied.
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:9)
Sad day for the Church to be so hypocritical
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:9)
Sad day for the Church to be so hypocritical
re: Derick | 6:24 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS Church, and every other church for that matter, has every right to
support, oppose, or fight for any proposed law that may inhibit the ability of
its members to practice their religion. The LDS church never comes out for or
against politicians. They only focus on the issues that will effect society,
and when they see the need to fight for what is morally correct they do with all
the boldness and tenacity that they can muster. And if you don't like it,
too bad. It is their constitutional right to voice their opinion. It is also
the constitutional right of those protesters to go down there and stomp around
in the cold and voice their opinion. And it was the constitutional right for
the majority of Californian voters to vote for and support the traditional form
of marriage (for the 2nd time). I love America, because no where else could
people voice their opinions so freely!!
Bodymek | 6:26 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Thank GOD you fled persecution in OH and KS so that you could come here and deny
the rights of others. How DARE you!! It is NONE of your business who anyone
marries but theirs. As long as those being married are two adults of sound mind
you have no business whatsoever telling them what they may do. It is no more my
right to tell you how you may practice your religion than it is for you to tell
me who I can marry. This is coming from a straight man by the way. You preach
acceptance. So accept. You say you don't judge others. This sounds a lot
like a judgement to me. Pick a side and stop crossing the line. These
marriages will hurt no one. When will you ever learn that the only one you have
control over is you. No one else, and until you learn that all this world will
have is strife. Just like you had in Ohio. Joseph Smith being murdered
didn't stop your relion. Stopping gays from marrying won't stop the
inevitable...so stop trying to fight it. It's against your religion to do
so in the first place!
Jazz fan in SoCal | 6:26 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Why are only mormons being attacked. Could it be SATAN.
If you say so | 6:28 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"The LDS church is extremely tolerant and loving of homosexuals."
Which is easily seen by all of the gay rights now available in Utah..........
Which is easily seen by all of the gay rights now available in Utah..........
California Girl | 6:30 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I live in Orange County California. Plenty of non-mormons supported Prop 8. My
Seventh Day Adventist, Methodist, Lutheran, Agnostic, Presbyterian, Baptist
& Catholic friends supported this. This is about the People of California
saying no to the crazy activist judges. Get Real!
To the tyrant who hates freedom | 6:32 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Aumacoma,
"Just a note to you that support Prop 8 from a religious perspective. In the United States of America we have a constitution that keeps government out of the business of churches and churches out of the business of government (except in Utah)."
The U.S. Constitution doesn't prevent a Church from participating in the making of laws that they have to obey and live under also. It prevents them from supporting or endorsing candidates yet we recognize that they have a say on our laws since they have to obey and live under them.
That's a basic principle of democracy and no idea whether religious, scientific or just plain stupid is excluded from the public discussion.
"Religious involvement in this matter is unconsitutional and unAmerican. This is a civil matter and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion."
Churches must obey the law but you forbid them to participate in the government of the U.S but your organizations can do so? That's tyranny!
"That would be a Theocracy not a Democracy that is America."
No, that would be if the Church was the government but they are members of this country and have equal rights with your organizations.
"Just a note to you that support Prop 8 from a religious perspective. In the United States of America we have a constitution that keeps government out of the business of churches and churches out of the business of government (except in Utah)."
The U.S. Constitution doesn't prevent a Church from participating in the making of laws that they have to obey and live under also. It prevents them from supporting or endorsing candidates yet we recognize that they have a say on our laws since they have to obey and live under them.
That's a basic principle of democracy and no idea whether religious, scientific or just plain stupid is excluded from the public discussion.
"Religious involvement in this matter is unconsitutional and unAmerican. This is a civil matter and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion."
Churches must obey the law but you forbid them to participate in the government of the U.S but your organizations can do so? That's tyranny!
"That would be a Theocracy not a Democracy that is America."
No, that would be if the Church was the government but they are members of this country and have equal rights with your organizations.
get a grip | 6:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
If you want to see hate speech go to an gay website. They are full of hate
speech towards the LDS church. Where is the ACLU when you need them?
Remember teachers unions contributed to No on 8, nearly a million dollars,these are the people who teach your kids.
When the courts take this back, not one dime of taxpayer money should be used to fund the homosexuals cause, this is your money. From the arguments here that would be the state fighting against religion and that is unconstitutional.
The gay movement wants to hijack one of the most sacred blessings a latter-day saint has, that of marriage, and redefine it with what many view as one of the most vial of all human behaviors of homosexual acts. No wonder the LDS are taking a stand. It is a position against the act not the person.
The track record is clear give the gay activists and inch and they will take a mile, don't open a hole in the wall.
Remember teachers unions contributed to No on 8, nearly a million dollars,these are the people who teach your kids.
When the courts take this back, not one dime of taxpayer money should be used to fund the homosexuals cause, this is your money. From the arguments here that would be the state fighting against religion and that is unconstitutional.
The gay movement wants to hijack one of the most sacred blessings a latter-day saint has, that of marriage, and redefine it with what many view as one of the most vial of all human behaviors of homosexual acts. No wonder the LDS are taking a stand. It is a position against the act not the person.
The track record is clear give the gay activists and inch and they will take a mile, don't open a hole in the wall.
Tolerance vs Acceptance | 6:34 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
We will tolerate the gay community, tolerate their attacks against organized
religions but we will not accept it.
U Made the Hysteria now Deal | 6:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Realy now? The church whipped up the hysteria. Now the chuch has to take some
responsibility for this hysteria they caused.
So what is the next step? Perhaps an economic boycott is in order. SKI TAHOE!
So what is the next step? Perhaps an economic boycott is in order. SKI TAHOE!
Sad news for prop 8 supporters | 6:40 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It's not over folks. The ACLU and others contend that California's
ballot cannot be used to undermine one group's access to rights enjoyed by
other citizens.
They argue that initiatives that make "fundamental" changes to core principles of the state constitution must first be approved by the state Legislature, then sent to voters for passage.
Take off your party hats. It's too early to begin celebrating your victory for Proposition 8.
They argue that initiatives that make "fundamental" changes to core principles of the state constitution must first be approved by the state Legislature, then sent to voters for passage.
Take off your party hats. It's too early to begin celebrating your victory for Proposition 8.
funny..... | 6:43 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Could it be SATAN. But true.
Re: Economic boycott | 6:44 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
That is funny! You lost the election initiative and you think there are people
who will not come to Utah to ski because of it! Probably just the opposite will
happen.
To Bodymek | 6:26 | 6:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
How DARE YOU discriminate against me because I'm not an adult. Or of sound
mind. How DARE YOU! It's NONE of your business who anyone marries. So
don't try to use your religion on me and my goat.
How DARE YOU!
How DARE YOU!
Rights cannot be granted/denied | 6:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
All in,
"Yeah, I need my rights to. I believe I should be able to legally marry more than one woman. Not only that, I believe I should be able to marry underage girls too. You are denying my rights if you don't let me!"
They want to redefine marriage to include one person and another regardless of gender but they also would not re-define it to include others who aren't gay or lesbian. As it now stands anyone regardless of their race, gender or sexual orientation can enter into a legal marriage as its currently defined by those who are responsible for its creation, the majority.
"Oh and why don't we legalize my cocaine habit too. So quit discriminating against me."
This is a different issue. If we chose to make their relationships illegal we would violate their rights. Refusing to recognize their choice and permit them to enter into the legal institution of marriage when they don't meet the definition isn't discrimination because they can always choose to marry a person of the opposite sex and we wouldn't care whether they are gay or not.
Let's simplify to freedom of speech. Does government have to publish their speech?
"Yeah, I need my rights to. I believe I should be able to legally marry more than one woman. Not only that, I believe I should be able to marry underage girls too. You are denying my rights if you don't let me!"
They want to redefine marriage to include one person and another regardless of gender but they also would not re-define it to include others who aren't gay or lesbian. As it now stands anyone regardless of their race, gender or sexual orientation can enter into a legal marriage as its currently defined by those who are responsible for its creation, the majority.
"Oh and why don't we legalize my cocaine habit too. So quit discriminating against me."
This is a different issue. If we chose to make their relationships illegal we would violate their rights. Refusing to recognize their choice and permit them to enter into the legal institution of marriage when they don't meet the definition isn't discrimination because they can always choose to marry a person of the opposite sex and we wouldn't care whether they are gay or not.
Let's simplify to freedom of speech. Does government have to publish their speech?
Boycott | 6:49 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Money talks....
More than half the Yes on Prop 8 money came from LDS people--at the direction of Salt Lake City.
So, boycott the Sundance Film Festival and the ski resorts....That is a lawful response consistent with the First Amendment....
More than half the Yes on Prop 8 money came from LDS people--at the direction of Salt Lake City.
So, boycott the Sundance Film Festival and the ski resorts....That is a lawful response consistent with the First Amendment....
Re: True ignorance | 6:49 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It is funny that when people have a difference in oppinion or if they call
something out as confusing, they are all of a sudden...IGNORANT. Homosexuals
rights as CITIZENS of our country is being infringed upon by a small group of
people who believe they have SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES.
"Marriage is not a right since rights can't be granted or taken away by Government and marriage was granted by government." I like this quote alot. Marriage was granted by government and it cannot therefore be taken away...is what you are saying. The courts that overturned this ruling previously were established from.....guess what our government. Our government said that not allowing gays to get married whas against their GOD given rights. This why YES on 8 really doesn't matter in the long run, because the Supreme Court will eventually rule in favor of gay marriage. What would of happened if courts left the rights of blacks in the hands of the majority? They would still be eating in black only diners and walking on the other side of the street. Sometimes it takes someone wiser than the majority to do what is right.
"Marriage is not a right since rights can't be granted or taken away by Government and marriage was granted by government." I like this quote alot. Marriage was granted by government and it cannot therefore be taken away...is what you are saying. The courts that overturned this ruling previously were established from.....guess what our government. Our government said that not allowing gays to get married whas against their GOD given rights. This why YES on 8 really doesn't matter in the long run, because the Supreme Court will eventually rule in favor of gay marriage. What would of happened if courts left the rights of blacks in the hands of the majority? They would still be eating in black only diners and walking on the other side of the street. Sometimes it takes someone wiser than the majority to do what is right.
Not true | 6:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
State recognition of same-sex marriage in no way requires a church or religious
institution to recognize or even perform such ceremonies. Legalizing same-sex
marriage in California never would never require the LDS church to perform
same-sex marriages in its temples against its religious principals - just as
Catholic priests never have been required to marry persons who are divorced and
Orthodox rabbis have never been compelled to perform interfaith marriages.
Right on | 6:52 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
When the voice of the people speaks, let's by all means ignore and try to
silence it. Voice of the people? What is this? A friggin' democracy!
njp | 6:52 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It's great to be LDS!!
"We the People" have spoken | 6:59 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
marcus0263,
"We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:9)
Sad day for the Church to be so hypocritical."
See my post at 6:21 pm for a response to this false claim. This scripture does not say what you want it to. It isn't hypocritical since the scripture simply doesn't apply here. Marriage is not a right and can not be granted or denied by the government.
The government grants legal marriage and can define it as they see fit. The majority, as the government, does not have to recognize your marriage nor does it have to recognize or publish your personal opinions in any official government document.
It doesn't violate your freedom of speech for the government to publish some over others. A majority of Congress even has the authority to expel members of Congress. Because the majority wants to protect the right of minorities it imposed a 2/3rd's vote on itself.
You cross the line. The majority agreed not to harm you if we get to govern.
"We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:9)
Sad day for the Church to be so hypocritical."
See my post at 6:21 pm for a response to this false claim. This scripture does not say what you want it to. It isn't hypocritical since the scripture simply doesn't apply here. Marriage is not a right and can not be granted or denied by the government.
The government grants legal marriage and can define it as they see fit. The majority, as the government, does not have to recognize your marriage nor does it have to recognize or publish your personal opinions in any official government document.
It doesn't violate your freedom of speech for the government to publish some over others. A majority of Congress even has the authority to expel members of Congress. Because the majority wants to protect the right of minorities it imposed a 2/3rd's vote on itself.
You cross the line. The majority agreed not to harm you if we get to govern.
Ezra Brown | 7:00 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The comments here are caustic, cynical and rude. So much nastiness expressed by
supposed Christians. It�s embarrassing to know that fellow
Mormons think and express such deeply hate filled rhetoric toward
God�s children who don�t think like
them. It�s like all the Mormons in Salt Lake have been
listening to Rush Limbaugh and have become little robots who mimic his foul
tone. You sound just like him. What has happened to our church? Where is the
Christ-like love toward your brothers and sisters in the community, gay or
straight? I�m not for gay marriages either, but this
outpouring of hatred is embarrassing. Utah Mormons, you keep getting more and
more isolated and weird.
to get a grip: | 7:03 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There needs to be one clarification of your statement: "Give an inch to
gays and they will take a mile" should be stated: "Give an inch to
gays and they will take the circumference of the earth and destroy her in the
process."
DJ Mills | 7:06 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Doesn't it sound just like when the legions of hell appeared to Heber C.
Kimball's missionary group in England? What else would anybody expect to
happen?
Glad to be me | 7:07 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I'm just curious how these lovers of their own kind in the rainbow world
would feel about the 98% of the adults in the United States having Heterosexual
Pride Day and Month and maybe we too could go flaunt our ungayness and show our
love for our partners the same way. Maybe we could all go parade around their
places of meeting and worship and prevent them from having their privacy and
being able to worship or be themselves. What do think?
All you hypocrites in the G/L communities, keep it indoors, private and out of my society! Go contribute to society by ending poverty and starvation, spreading the words of hope and opportunity, but for the love of God, stop playing the victim! You are gay. Ok, we get it, But at least 52% of Californians don't think you need to ever show you gayness in public or have rights to the sanctity and blessings of marriage like those who can procreate naturally and not distort their progeny.
Thank goodness for the LDS Church, Catholics, Jews, Baptists, Muslims and all others who get it. Prop 8 passed. MOVE ON!
All you hypocrites in the G/L communities, keep it indoors, private and out of my society! Go contribute to society by ending poverty and starvation, spreading the words of hope and opportunity, but for the love of God, stop playing the victim! You are gay. Ok, we get it, But at least 52% of Californians don't think you need to ever show you gayness in public or have rights to the sanctity and blessings of marriage like those who can procreate naturally and not distort their progeny.
Thank goodness for the LDS Church, Catholics, Jews, Baptists, Muslims and all others who get it. Prop 8 passed. MOVE ON!
I'm Betting on the Fat Lady | 7:12 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Forget what your prophet and your Jesus say. It ain't over 'til the
fat lady sings. And that fat lady is a lesbian who is just starting to clear
her throat.
CaliforniaVoters | 7:14 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Um I believe it was the California voters who turned down propisition 8 for the
second time!!! I think the thousands would be better off protesting against
those pesky california voters who turn down gay marriage every time.
If you continue its a Revolution | 7:15 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Sad news for prop 8 supporters,
"It's not over folks. The ACLU and others contend that California's ballot cannot be used to undermine one group's access to rights enjoyed by other citizens."
A revision is different from an amendment in that it would revise the entire constitution and restructure its government. A revision must change, not add to, the Constitution which means that gay marriage must be explicitly granted in the Constitution.
"They argue that initiatives that make "fundamental" changes to core principles of the state constitution must first be approved by the state Legislature, then sent to voters for passage."
Who decides what is a core principle? It seems to me that their argument is that they decide. Marriage is not independent of the majority. It is a institution that the majority created. It is not the same as our other rights.
You have no more right to enter into legal marriage and compel the government to grant you a license to get married than you do to make the majority publish your opinion in official government documents.
"It's too early to begin celebrating your victory for Proposition 8."
I doubt the tyrants will stop trying to make laws.
"It's not over folks. The ACLU and others contend that California's ballot cannot be used to undermine one group's access to rights enjoyed by other citizens."
A revision is different from an amendment in that it would revise the entire constitution and restructure its government. A revision must change, not add to, the Constitution which means that gay marriage must be explicitly granted in the Constitution.
"They argue that initiatives that make "fundamental" changes to core principles of the state constitution must first be approved by the state Legislature, then sent to voters for passage."
Who decides what is a core principle? It seems to me that their argument is that they decide. Marriage is not independent of the majority. It is a institution that the majority created. It is not the same as our other rights.
You have no more right to enter into legal marriage and compel the government to grant you a license to get married than you do to make the majority publish your opinion in official government documents.
"It's too early to begin celebrating your victory for Proposition 8."
I doubt the tyrants will stop trying to make laws.
Wrong Place | 7:15 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Should be protesting the NAACP, and democrat HQ. A huge number of blacks showed
up to vote for obama in California, and exit polls show 70% of them voted for
the ban. Hispanic catholics also helped push the vote over the top. These are
pretty traditional values groups of people still. Unintended consequences they
call it. Why is it the left only like democracy when they win? Lose and
it's straight to the courts, judges via the ACLU. To hell with the
people's vote!
KP | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Mr. Whipple--When and where will you be protesting the Catholic church and their
involvement in support of Prop 8? As the smoke clears, it is clear that the
gay/lesbian community does indeed have an agenda. To all of you LDS members,
keep in mind that it was over 10 years ago that the prophet, his counselors and
the apostles issued a proclamation to the world on marriage and fmaily. How many
of you have received a testimony of the church, made your covenants, raised your
hand in support/sustaining the leadership of the church, take the sacrament each
week and now claim that the church is wrong? We know who is being deceived,
don't we? We are also blessed to know what the outcome will eventually be.
Choose your side.
to BODYMEC | 7:16 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"It is NONE of your business who anyone marries but theirs. As long as
those being married are two adults of sound mind you have no business whatsoever
telling them what they may do"
Who are you to say that marriage has to be between TWO adults...
Polygamy never hurt anyone (I'm playing devil's advocate here...)
That being said...who are you to tell me I can't do meth, cocaine, or heroin...Why can't young adults drink alcohol until they are 21...why can I only drive 65 (or in Utah that's 76) miles per hour...
WHY HAVE ANY RULES AT ALL? Who are you to tell me what to do?
Who are you to say that marriage has to be between TWO adults...
Polygamy never hurt anyone (I'm playing devil's advocate here...)
That being said...who are you to tell me I can't do meth, cocaine, or heroin...Why can't young adults drink alcohol until they are 21...why can I only drive 65 (or in Utah that's 76) miles per hour...
WHY HAVE ANY RULES AT ALL? Who are you to tell me what to do?
RosaMaria | 7:17 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
As member of the Church we need to be civilized. If we go there mantain the
calm. Do not get involved with the gay and their rethoric.
Give me a break! | 7:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Gay people quit trying to blame your sins and unhappeness on the LDS Church and
try not to be such bigots. If you don't like Utah, MOVE! By, By! Have a
nice life. By.......
John Pack Lambert | 7:18 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To Facts,
Living in southern California does not give you knowledge of everything. The Church never encoraged members outside of California to participate in this battle, only inside of California.
Some members outside chose to participate, but the letters were only read in Sacrament meeting in California.
At least hear in Michigan we were never urged through Church channels to participate with Proposition 8.
Living in southern California does not give you knowledge of everything. The Church never encoraged members outside of California to participate in this battle, only inside of California.
Some members outside chose to participate, but the letters were only read in Sacrament meeting in California.
At least hear in Michigan we were never urged through Church channels to participate with Proposition 8.
hum | 7:20 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This is actually amazing. Never in the church history has its own members
demonstrated at Temple Square to this degree and intensity. This is actually
historic.
I'm ashamed | 7:22 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I am a CA member of the LDS church who supports the precepts of democracy and
protesting is one of those tenets. I may not always agree with the cause but I
agree with the right to voice your opinion
Many of the posts on this article are from members of my Church voicing their opinions about gays and the protesters and I am ashamed to associate myself with those members. I love the Church but the general disdain for others demonstrated by so many of us on this post is abhorrent.
It's a sad day when members of our Church look down on others who are voicing what they believe to be an injustice and we turn a cold shoulder. Irrespective of their cause, we ought to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Our members have left a black eye on the face of our Church.
Many of the posts on this article are from members of my Church voicing their opinions about gays and the protesters and I am ashamed to associate myself with those members. I love the Church but the general disdain for others demonstrated by so many of us on this post is abhorrent.
It's a sad day when members of our Church look down on others who are voicing what they believe to be an injustice and we turn a cold shoulder. Irrespective of their cause, we ought to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Our members have left a black eye on the face of our Church.
Gay can drink from same fountain | 7:23 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To: "Re: True ignorance,"
"Homosexuals rights as CITIZENS of our country is being infringed upon by a small group of people who believe they have SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES."
If you remove marriage from the equation and use freedom of speech as the guide you recognize how ridiculous your claims are. But I guess that the government is required to publish your opinions instead of just not violating your right to do so yourself.
"What would of happened if courts left the rights of blacks in the hands of the majority? They would still be eating in black only diners and walking on the other side of the street. Sometimes it takes someone wiser than the majority."
Then the majority doesn't make law and we don't even need to vote. We can just let the Courts pass all of our laws since only those they approve of become the law since they are the lawmakers who want to deceive us into thinking that our vote actually matters and that when we go to the ballot we have a say.
This has nothing to do with blacks and it is insulting to us to suggest otherwise since none of your rights are violated.
"Homosexuals rights as CITIZENS of our country is being infringed upon by a small group of people who believe they have SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES."
If you remove marriage from the equation and use freedom of speech as the guide you recognize how ridiculous your claims are. But I guess that the government is required to publish your opinions instead of just not violating your right to do so yourself.
"What would of happened if courts left the rights of blacks in the hands of the majority? They would still be eating in black only diners and walking on the other side of the street. Sometimes it takes someone wiser than the majority."
Then the majority doesn't make law and we don't even need to vote. We can just let the Courts pass all of our laws since only those they approve of become the law since they are the lawmakers who want to deceive us into thinking that our vote actually matters and that when we go to the ballot we have a say.
This has nothing to do with blacks and it is insulting to us to suggest otherwise since none of your rights are violated.
anne | 7:23 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
You say we made the hysteria now deal?
Is this another example of something you were born to?
Someone/something made you do it? You have no control over your hysteria? You are not capable of exhibiting adult behaviour?
I am assuming you are adults. Right? Aren't you responsible for your own behaviour?
You can't be responsible for a black skin. Your behaviour will never change your skin color. And why should it? Skin color has no behavioural aspect.
If you are truly born homosexual it does not mean you have to live a gay lifestyle. We all have our own weaknesses. We are adults and must learn to deal with those. Not give in to them because we were 'born that way'.
If members of the church behave in a way that is violent, insulting, misleading for real, then it has nothing to do with the church. It is their individual choice to behave that way. The church has asked us to behave civiley etc. Most of us will. Some may not.
Can you say the same? I hope so. Let's find common ground. Do not know what that might be but it is out there.
Peace.
Is this another example of something you were born to?
Someone/something made you do it? You have no control over your hysteria? You are not capable of exhibiting adult behaviour?
I am assuming you are adults. Right? Aren't you responsible for your own behaviour?
You can't be responsible for a black skin. Your behaviour will never change your skin color. And why should it? Skin color has no behavioural aspect.
If you are truly born homosexual it does not mean you have to live a gay lifestyle. We all have our own weaknesses. We are adults and must learn to deal with those. Not give in to them because we were 'born that way'.
If members of the church behave in a way that is violent, insulting, misleading for real, then it has nothing to do with the church. It is their individual choice to behave that way. The church has asked us to behave civiley etc. Most of us will. Some may not.
Can you say the same? I hope so. Let's find common ground. Do not know what that might be but it is out there.
Peace.
Bayou Vol | 7:23 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Section 501 of the tax code states that the LDS church can spend $225,000 plus
5% of the tithing (and other donations) they receive over $1,500,000.
Considering the amount they receive in tithing alone, I am sure that they did
not come close to approaching the limit. It sounds to me like what we have is
just a bunch of sore losers who can't or chose not to interpret the law.
sec 501(H)
The limits in 501 (c) say "except as provided in sec. H"
The limits in 501 (c) say "except as provided in sec. H"
Oh no!!! | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Prop 8 passes due to a significant effort from the members of the LDS faith. As
already stated, many, many other religious, civic, and social groups contributed
as well. But the LDS church is singled out. It really is almost funny, and
frankly, I don't think it is at all surprising to the members of the
church. We get it...you don't like us. That's OK. You didn't
really like us before Prop 8 passed, did you?
The GLT movement is now considering a boycott of Utah. What will we possibly do without the estimated $6B? You know what? Please follow through with your threats to boycott Utah. Don't come fill our ski resorts, our restaurants, our hotels, our members-only clubs that you love to mock. We will be fine without your money and your influence, thank you.
For those who adhere to the belief in modern-day prophets and ongoing revelation, this sort of behavior is not one bit surprising. We will continue to watch with a steadfast hope.
The GLT movement is now considering a boycott of Utah. What will we possibly do without the estimated $6B? You know what? Please follow through with your threats to boycott Utah. Don't come fill our ski resorts, our restaurants, our hotels, our members-only clubs that you love to mock. We will be fine without your money and your influence, thank you.
For those who adhere to the belief in modern-day prophets and ongoing revelation, this sort of behavior is not one bit surprising. We will continue to watch with a steadfast hope.
Courts delegate lawmaking to us | 7:29 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Ezra Brown,
"The comments here are caustic, cynical and rude. So much nastiness expressed by supposed Christians. It�s embarrassing to know that fellow Mormons think and express such deeply hate filled rhetoric toward God�s children who don�t think like them."
I can't speak for anyone else but I have had it with being called names because I want my votes to count and to have a say and not be told "This door is wide open. And it is here to stay whether you like it or not" with an arrogant smirk that these tyrants often find humorous.
This isn't about their rights because we don't want to violate their rights but their hateful actions are offensive to those of us who care about our right to vote and who think that when we vote it should actually matter. This is a stupid game and the majority doesn't make law and I'm never voting again. I'm done with a system that allows Courts to delegate their authority to make laws to voters and their representatives until they decide to take it back up and nullify those laws they don't agree with.
Why not just let them do it all.
"The comments here are caustic, cynical and rude. So much nastiness expressed by supposed Christians. It�s embarrassing to know that fellow Mormons think and express such deeply hate filled rhetoric toward God�s children who don�t think like them."
I can't speak for anyone else but I have had it with being called names because I want my votes to count and to have a say and not be told "This door is wide open. And it is here to stay whether you like it or not" with an arrogant smirk that these tyrants often find humorous.
This isn't about their rights because we don't want to violate their rights but their hateful actions are offensive to those of us who care about our right to vote and who think that when we vote it should actually matter. This is a stupid game and the majority doesn't make law and I'm never voting again. I'm done with a system that allows Courts to delegate their authority to make laws to voters and their representatives until they decide to take it back up and nullify those laws they don't agree with.
Why not just let them do it all.
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