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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Protesting Democracy | 4:30 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Let them protest. The last time there was a protest against the Church's
own rights in downtown Salt Lake City that also included Frmr. Mayor Rocky
Anderson (Main Street Plaza issue), the Church won it's case.
I suspect the same will happen again. Especially as the protests catch national attention and demonstrate the gay rights activists' very own animosity toward their neighbors.
Also, over 45% of America didn't want Obama to win, but you don't see them taking to the streets. Democracy prevailed in both cases.
I suspect the same will happen again. Especially as the protests catch national attention and demonstrate the gay rights activists' very own animosity toward their neighbors.
Also, over 45% of America didn't want Obama to win, but you don't see them taking to the streets. Democracy prevailed in both cases.
Veritas | 4:30 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
When the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the decision to become
involved in a political question, it became fair game for political protest.
When any church or religion takes a political position, as opposed to a
religious position, it opens itself up to political protest. The Church should
bear this in mind the next time it gets involved in political issues.
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Anonymous | 4:30 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This is the second time in my life where I have seen the Church express its
desire to tell its members how to respond in a political situation. The Church
made its self very vocal and opened themselves up to this. If you continually
try to keep people down, they will eventually feel the need to respond. This
community is expressing their voice in the only way they know how.
I know people with the Church have been concerned and divided over this issue. Not all Mormons are hateful or fearful of homosexuals. I am sorry that the religion of my birth responded in this way. I hope that the protest is peaceful. The message will be much more successful if it is.
And, just so you know, this vote on Prop 8 was close. Not a mandate, but a sign that things are changing. Inclusiveness and tolerance are not bad things.
So are love and compassion.
I know people with the Church have been concerned and divided over this issue. Not all Mormons are hateful or fearful of homosexuals. I am sorry that the religion of my birth responded in this way. I hope that the protest is peaceful. The message will be much more successful if it is.
And, just so you know, this vote on Prop 8 was close. Not a mandate, but a sign that things are changing. Inclusiveness and tolerance are not bad things.
So are love and compassion.
DanO | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The Church itself might not have donated directly, but it used its vast
infrastructure to mobilize others and spread misinformation. Every argument made
by the Yes side was debunked by LDS lawyers themselves. The Church deserves the
protests just as they did the protests back in the 1970s when they were
discriminating against blacks.
Fred | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Who cares if they march on Temple Square. The important thing is that the
Church helped save the institution of marriage by taking away people's
right to marry a consenting adult with whom they are sexually compatible.
Randall | 4:32 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To: Luvswomen
I enjoy your statement that: "actions like this prove (the church) is not (the true church)".
How quaint. I am sure that the Lord would have leaders of his true church moisten their fingers and hold them up to see which direction the winds of society were blowing. He would then direct them to change His doctrines so they were in line with what society happened to believe at the moment.
That doesn't happen to be a church I am interested in. I'm shopping around for something that is fixed and immutable.
And I am NOT interested in lifestyles that are fixated on morals from the sewer. I AM very tired of the gay community portraying themselves as victims. I've also had it with them trying to take over what is taught to our children in schools. I've seen what has happened in Massachusetts; it is time to stop the gay's blatant attempt to take over our rights as parents.
Go ahead and have your protest at Temple Square. You are only trying to assuage your collective guilt.
I enjoy your statement that: "actions like this prove (the church) is not (the true church)".
How quaint. I am sure that the Lord would have leaders of his true church moisten their fingers and hold them up to see which direction the winds of society were blowing. He would then direct them to change His doctrines so they were in line with what society happened to believe at the moment.
That doesn't happen to be a church I am interested in. I'm shopping around for something that is fixed and immutable.
And I am NOT interested in lifestyles that are fixated on morals from the sewer. I AM very tired of the gay community portraying themselves as victims. I've also had it with them trying to take over what is taught to our children in schools. I've seen what has happened in Massachusetts; it is time to stop the gay's blatant attempt to take over our rights as parents.
Go ahead and have your protest at Temple Square. You are only trying to assuage your collective guilt.
Tasha | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I just want to say that the reason the assembly is at the LDS Church is because
they donated 21 million dollars against these people. It has nothing to do with
people going out of their way to go against the church. It has to do with the
church going out of its way to go against them. I think its a strong union of
people that will be there and I am very proud that at least the right is still
there to have your voice heard. And for those posting the church has never told
the members how to vote go and listen to the news! That is exactly what they
did this time not only calling for the vote but for members to put in time and
money into the campaign!!! Pay attention people. Get out of your sheltered
lives and look around you. Preach love and follow up the preaching by the
action. Taking something from the book of James but changing up a little bit,
"Faith without works is like a screen door on a submarine." Spread
the love by works not just talk.
Boyd | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The protest, as I understand it, is more symbolic, to show that we won't
simply back down after the Proposition 8 vote. Constitutional amendments can be
created, but they can also be repealed. Don't expect this to end here. The
next election, I won't be surprised if a new proposition shows up on the
California ballot to overturn Proposition 8's amendment.
Much like the LDS Church has conferences, organizing to promote unity, so too does the gay community. I'm going mostly because it sounds like it could be fun. I don't think it's proper to criticize a church, but they painted a target on their backs by promoting Prop 8.
And the reason I think the LDS Church is particularly singled out is their own sordid history with America and the pursuit of non-traditional marriage.
Much like the LDS Church has conferences, organizing to promote unity, so too does the gay community. I'm going mostly because it sounds like it could be fun. I don't think it's proper to criticize a church, but they painted a target on their backs by promoting Prop 8.
And the reason I think the LDS Church is particularly singled out is their own sordid history with America and the pursuit of non-traditional marriage.
Democracy VS. Equality | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Democracy has spoken. What I can't understand is why those who are gay
want to sacrifice democracy for the sake of "equality" (whatever that
is).
Denying the Church and its members the right to voice their opinion on moral issues by right of vote is unconstitutional. Democracy has spoken.
Denying the Church and its members the right to voice their opinion on moral issues by right of vote is unconstitutional. Democracy has spoken.
Anonymous | 4:34 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Just like the civil rights movement, gays and lesbians will eventually get their
rights, it will just take time. So I don't mind that the church spent so
much money on trying to get prop 8 because in the end they will lose this
"battle" and the only difference is they will be poor...and for what?
So they could get the attention off of their polygamists and onto a diff
group?...hmm I wonder...
And to all you protesters.. You go! :)
And to all you protesters.. You go! :)
The Shoe Doesn't Fit | 4:34 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
"Tolerance" for bigotry and the denial of civil rights is NEVER
justified. Should the patriots of the American Revolution have just been
tolerant? Of course not. Mormons somehow think their own intolerance is
justified if it is in the name of Jesus, but plead from "tolerance"
from those who oppose them.
It's not a 'rights' issue | 4:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I love how the other side is trying to make this a 'civil right's' issue.
As if being gay is something someone is born with.
Freedom of religion | 4:35 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Why are the gays protesting religion? Is there anyone left who thinks this
isn't an attack on freedom of religion? They demand "freedom" but
seek to deny it to other! There is a word that describes this kind of behavior,
it starts with hypocrite and goes on from there to tyranny and anarchy.
Just a Suggestion | 4:36 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I would really like to know how the Gay and Lesbian Coalition contribute to
society. all I ever see is a "take, take" attitude. If they would take
the time to go give service to someone in need instead of protesting they would
get more respect.
Also, if they feel persecuted they should pray for those who persecute them. I think some of them say they are religious then they should use adhere to the scripture that states, "pray for those who despitefully use and persecute you."
I you are sure that God is behind your cause you should not fear to do this.
Also, if they feel persecuted they should pray for those who persecute them. I think some of them say they are religious then they should use adhere to the scripture that states, "pray for those who despitefully use and persecute you."
I you are sure that God is behind your cause you should not fear to do this.
sad | 4:37 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
the gay community feels helpless, but they need to understand that being
choosing to be gay, does not allow them to change the way God intended marriage
to be. Its like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip. Its like calling
trying to give birth through your nose, its just not the way it was
intended...... now rights to healthcare are a different story.... now
you're just protesting the wrong people....
Coach | 4:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It is interesting to me that some of the people that opposed the prop in
California did so with physical attacks on women and defacing not only churches
but people's cars etc. I was shocked to hear it. My own brother is gay so
I have been a supporter for years of him and his rights. The protests,
violence, vandalism, etc has pushed the gay movement back decades. Take a
lesson from Dr King on how to change attitudes. It is not through name calling
and cowardly acts. It is through example, perseverance and love.
i SAY | 4:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
THE VOTE IS SPECIAL, IF A CHURCH WANTS TO STAND FOR SOMETHING THEN LET
THEM...they have soldiers that have given their all so that they could vote..so
follow your nose it really nose! and this one smells of counter hate on the
protesters part because the VOTE IS THE VOTE. just Ask Obama now live with the
vote!!
Question | 4:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To the Gay and Lesbian Community:
I would really like to know how you Gay and Lesbian Coalition contribute to society as a group. All I ever see is a "take, take" attitude. If you would take the time to go give service to someone in need instead of protesting you would get more respect.
Also, if you feel persecuted you should pray for those who persecute you. I think some of you say you are religious...don't you? If so, you should adhere to the scripture that states, "pray for those who despitefully use and persecute you."
If you are sure that God is behind your cause, you should not fear to do this.
I would really like to know how you Gay and Lesbian Coalition contribute to society as a group. All I ever see is a "take, take" attitude. If you would take the time to go give service to someone in need instead of protesting you would get more respect.
Also, if you feel persecuted you should pray for those who persecute you. I think some of you say you are religious...don't you? If so, you should adhere to the scripture that states, "pray for those who despitefully use and persecute you."
If you are sure that God is behind your cause, you should not fear to do this.
Newly Lost? | 4:42 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Dude, you have been lost for quite some time. Right this sinking ship? Read
the bible... Lev. 20:13. This isn't a mormon doctrine, homosexuality is
not a gene any more than taking a goat on a date is due to genetic
predisposition. Next we're going to hear you whining about the mormons
bigotry against those in love with their barnyard animals.
18,000 Couples! | 4:43 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
There were an estimated 18,000 married same sex couples (36,000 people) who were
legally married. Now, with a stroke they are not?
What would you do?
What would you do?
Craig | 4:44 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The right decision was made to encourage support and protection for traditional
marriage. The hate that is coming out from the gay community proves that there
is a different agenda that is very destructive. The LDS Church speaks highly of
all people but encouraged its members to help with moral decision in protecting
marriage.
Anonymous | 4:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
It really bothers me that the gays are being so nasty about it. It is exactly
how they don't want to be treated. I don't know any LDS people who
spew hatred like they are doing towards us. It was a democratic vote and they
should respect that opinion just as we try to respect their lives. Also, we
have given up so much. Just let us have this one last thing. We took prayer out
of school, we don't teach creationism instead that man came from an ape, we
don't salute the flag or say Merry Christmas anymore. Why can't they
respect our opinion? Why can't they listen to our concerns? Just let us
have our most sacred right saved. They can be married in the civil courts.
Nobody argues that but PLEASE just let us keep our marriage definition.
What if Prop 8 Failed? | 4:46 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
So if Prop 8 had failed - the Gay and Lesbian Community was fully expecting all
10 Million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to
protest...right?
And then on Thursday all 1 Billion Catholic Church members - would take over?
And then by Friday - all the other Californians who voted in favor of Prop 8 - they'd take it on through the weekend?
OF COURSE NOT! -
How ridiculous it is to single out a group of people for acting on their freedoms and voting to preserve marriage (especially when everyone knows not all LDS folks voted in favor of the Proposition).
Of course they wouldn't protest the African American community - 80% of which voted in favor of the proposition - they'd really be called intolerant, bigoted and racist then.
This all sounds pretty intolerant to me. What about all the theft and vandalism of yard signs - that was all in the spirit of tolerance and love too right?
And then on Thursday all 1 Billion Catholic Church members - would take over?
And then by Friday - all the other Californians who voted in favor of Prop 8 - they'd take it on through the weekend?
OF COURSE NOT! -
How ridiculous it is to single out a group of people for acting on their freedoms and voting to preserve marriage (especially when everyone knows not all LDS folks voted in favor of the Proposition).
Of course they wouldn't protest the African American community - 80% of which voted in favor of the proposition - they'd really be called intolerant, bigoted and racist then.
This all sounds pretty intolerant to me. What about all the theft and vandalism of yard signs - that was all in the spirit of tolerance and love too right?
Tom in CA | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Re: Joe H @3:23
"Half of the people in CA are Mormon"????
And you thought Palin was stupid.
"Half of the people in CA are Mormon"????
And you thought Palin was stupid.
Being from Idaho I | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
supported Proposition 8 of MY OWN FREE WILL AND CHOICE. So protesters come on
down and march around my home. Looking forward to it.
Worship | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints said, "It is wrong to
target the church and our sacred places."
Well, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints targeted the heart of my home and my family when they compelled followers to send money into California's Prop. 8 battle.
That's right. I have a home and a family and the church decided to protest it--even though I never once denigrated their institution. Not once. I see that people overwhelmingly support the Church's right to infiltrate my home and family, but are afraid that gays will storm their sacred temple? I am ashamed of you all.
Well, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints targeted the heart of my home and my family when they compelled followers to send money into California's Prop. 8 battle.
That's right. I have a home and a family and the church decided to protest it--even though I never once denigrated their institution. Not once. I see that people overwhelmingly support the Church's right to infiltrate my home and family, but are afraid that gays will storm their sacred temple? I am ashamed of you all.
Protest? | 4:47 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Since 72% of African Americans and 58% of hispanics voted YES on Prop 8, are
they going to Protest the NAACP and ATZLAN organizations as well?
Sarah | 4:48 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Re: Michelle
Thank you very much! That's all I wanted to know. I'll definitely be there.
Thank you very much! That's all I wanted to know. I'll definitely be there.
John Thompson | 4:49 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I don't understand how the rights of homosexuals can be determined by a
popular vote in the way we vote for highway bonds or more sidewalks. No other
group in the country has to seek the approval of the electorate for their civil
rights. To deny to one group the possibility of EVER marrying (and ignoring the
likelihood that we will one day understand sexual orientation better than we do
today) does not sound like it will stand up in court. I don't think this is
over.
Re: Re: Rights | 4:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I can make ridiculous comments and comparisons too. We've had this aspect
of society for thousands of years, and now gay rights activists want to change
it in less than 40 years.
Take comfort in how fast things are moving. The civil rights movement was 50 years ago, and now we've got a black man who will be president in 3 months. Do you seriously doubt that homosexual marriages will be commonplace in another decade?
Take comfort in how fast things are moving. The civil rights movement was 50 years ago, and now we've got a black man who will be president in 3 months. Do you seriously doubt that homosexual marriages will be commonplace in another decade?
Tammy | 4:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Do you know that in Victorian times people used to be jailed for choosing to be
homosexual? We've come a long way since then as tolerance and acceptance of
the practice are pretty commmonplace. How many TV shows or movies can you think
of that involve at least one homosexual couple? However, even though
homosexuality may be tolerated, that doesn't mean it should be recognized
in the same way as traditional marriage between a man and a woman.
But precendence isn't the only reason why I think it was important for the Church to get involved with the passage of Proposition 8. It's also contrary to our very beliefs as a Church and might set the precendence for other states to follow, and isn't the point of free speech to stand up for things we believe in? We may not agree with it, but at least we weren't attacking those who choose to practice it. Before yelling about the evils of bigamy, perhaps those sqwakers ought to take a close look at themselves first.
But precendence isn't the only reason why I think it was important for the Church to get involved with the passage of Proposition 8. It's also contrary to our very beliefs as a Church and might set the precendence for other states to follow, and isn't the point of free speech to stand up for things we believe in? We may not agree with it, but at least we weren't attacking those who choose to practice it. Before yelling about the evils of bigamy, perhaps those sqwakers ought to take a close look at themselves first.
Sean | 4:50 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
No one is pathetic, gay or straight.
I firmly believe that one should never vote to eliminate rights solely on religious beliefs, as we all have the freedom to religious belief and should be respected for this freedom.
The weekend before Election Day, millions received robo-calls stating how Barack Obama did not believe in gay marriage, but the robo-call failed to mention that he was against Proposition 8 as well. Some people widely believe that this robo-call significantly influenced the black population to heavily vote Yes on 8, and it can be argued that the vote may have swung the other way had this group of people known that Barack was directly against this proposition. The omission of this truth from the robo-call is as bad if not worse than a lie. The robo-calls were funded by Yes on 8 money, and over 40% of this entire campaign it came from Mormons.
Not to mention businesses financing the No on 8 campaign were threatened with blackmail letters signed in part by the head of the Mormon religion.
So many people everywhere believe that this religion needs to be held accountable, and I see good reason for this protest.
I firmly believe that one should never vote to eliminate rights solely on religious beliefs, as we all have the freedom to religious belief and should be respected for this freedom.
The weekend before Election Day, millions received robo-calls stating how Barack Obama did not believe in gay marriage, but the robo-call failed to mention that he was against Proposition 8 as well. Some people widely believe that this robo-call significantly influenced the black population to heavily vote Yes on 8, and it can be argued that the vote may have swung the other way had this group of people known that Barack was directly against this proposition. The omission of this truth from the robo-call is as bad if not worse than a lie. The robo-calls were funded by Yes on 8 money, and over 40% of this entire campaign it came from Mormons.
Not to mention businesses financing the No on 8 campaign were threatened with blackmail letters signed in part by the head of the Mormon religion.
So many people everywhere believe that this religion needs to be held accountable, and I see good reason for this protest.
kenny | 4:51 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The battle is moving from the ballot box to the street.History seems to repeat
itself.When the early saints became a strong political power in Navoo and
Missouri, the non church community rose up against the saints hence the saints
did in fact bring many of their problems on to themselves.I would hope that this
will not happen in our days concerning Prop 8.Its one thing to be right but its
another thing to be right and cause a riot.We dont know what the oposition is
capable of but we will soon find out.Personally I think america is gearing up
for a blood bath.Ask yourself "Am I ready to defend my beliefs with a
shotgun?"Someday it will come down to that.
This is America | 4:53 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The Church exercised their legal right to campaign against something they saw as
bad for America. They did it legally and with class. Remember this is the same
country that allowed a church like the Mormon church, to be established, and
last I heard, they still allow Mormon missionaries to go out and
"preach".
So why would the church want to deny these protesters their right to do the same thing. Campaign for something they believe is good for America. I just hope they do it with class, which is not what I've seen in the past. (I got an egg thrown on me walking into temple square to go to the visitor center.)
So why would the church want to deny these protesters their right to do the same thing. Campaign for something they believe is good for America. I just hope they do it with class, which is not what I've seen in the past. (I got an egg thrown on me walking into temple square to go to the visitor center.)
Hmmm. . . . | 4:53 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Wow, this sorta reminds me of when I was little and my little league team won a
championship on a last second three. Legit win,but the losers couldn't
handle it. On the bright side, it will be fun to see what crazy things Rocky
Anderson will come up with to further delegitimize his standing in the world of
rational thought. Enoy yourselves.
Friend of Church | 4:54 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
As a person of color, I'm discussed that gays would try to equate there
situation to be a " civil rights" issue. They have no clue. This a
moral issue, which my good BABTIST up bringing agrees with. This is about
protecting families and the proper upbringing of children, and not the
protecting individuals with serious mental illness. YOu will not change anything
by harrassing people, it will just make them angry and they will fight harder to
defeat you. I also do not want to hear bigot, and all that nonsense. This
protest is about power and nothing else. I hope it snows and snows and snows.
Gary | 4:56 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Gay rights activates can blame themselves for losing the Prop 8 battle. Voters,
concerned for their children, saw what happened in Massachusetts when schools
forced children to read pro-gay propaganda and parents could do nothing to stop
it. They heard about the San Francisco kindergarten class who went on a field
trip to see a lesbian wedding and the principal called it a "teachable
moment". They probably even read about the California kindergarten class
who were given gay pledge cards to sign. All the claims from the NO on 8 people
who said this had nothing to do with schools were exposed as lies. Now everyone
is witness to what happens when gay activates don't get their way in a fair
election. They focus on an easy target, the LDS church, and reveal their own
bigotry and intolerance.
Ema | 4:57 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
As a married heterosexual woman, I know I would be outraged if my marriage was
put up to a popular vote and then taken away. I just can't understand why
so many people think it's OK to vote to take away people's rights.
The majority is not always right. If it were, legal racial discrimination would
still exist. And yes, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in 1967 wrote that
marriage is a fundamental human right, so please don't try to tell me that
marriage isn't a civil right.
Rights | 4:57 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
This was more about MY RIGHT to have my voted counted. When the Judges THREW
OUT my vote in 2000 for their agenda, they said MY VOTE DOES NOT COUNT--NO
MATTER WHAT. Why vote if a judge can say "Sorry I don't agree"?
Prop 8 WILL NOT be overturned, for to do so throws out OUR RIGHTS to elections and places OUR VOTE in the hands of judges.
Rights? MY RIGHT TO VOTE SUPERCEDES THEIR "RIGHT" to MARRY (US Constitution Art 1, 2, 4, 6,7)
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Prop 8 WILL NOT be overturned, for to do so throws out OUR RIGHTS to elections and places OUR VOTE in the hands of judges.
Rights? MY RIGHT TO VOTE SUPERCEDES THEIR "RIGHT" to MARRY (US Constitution Art 1, 2, 4, 6,7)
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Sean | 4:58 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
With respect to the voice of the people being heard, -no one- should ever vote
discrimination into law or directly into the Constitution, and any time such
legislation occurs, it is always declared unconstitutional, because such laws
infringe on our equal and unalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of
happiness, and per our fourteenth amendment to the US Constitution, no state
shall "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws." There are some very good reasons why we have a
judicial branch in the United States, and I can't understand why some
people rush to the argument that the will of the people have spoken with respect
to this specific proposition when this is in fact an argument inherent in
unconstitutionality and therefore invalid to our Country.
Cambodian Girl | 4:58 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
I read this article and then I looked at the obituaries to see who died. I
thought after looking at their names ...."I am so thankful they are out of
this messy world and on to bigger and better things!"
In the long run, we will all die and then what we did here on earth will stare us in the face. I hope, at least for myself, that I stood steadfast and unmovable in what was the right thing to do and not just what I wanted to do. At least my soul will be at peace.
In the long run, we will all die and then what we did here on earth will stare us in the face. I hope, at least for myself, that I stood steadfast and unmovable in what was the right thing to do and not just what I wanted to do. At least my soul will be at peace.
keith | 4:59 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Wish I could be in Salt lake or in California to support the church and
it's position but I encourage all within the vacinity to SLC to be there.
It is not the people we hate but what they do that is contrary to the laws of
god. We are only trying to save you from your ignorance and teach you that the
way of truth and from eternal suffering for a few years of sinful pleasure. Be
humble and learn to listen to the still small voice and not the screams of
lucifer. Who is on the lord side who? stop kicking against the pricks.
tigerlily | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
the church as every right to speak out about gay marriages. we don't have
to agree.
RE: Pete | 5:01 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
If you read "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx, he said the exact same thing.
Eliminate marriage and swear alligience to the state. Are you in favor of
Marxism?
What ARE they teaching in schools?
What ARE they teaching in schools?
Ricky | 5:02 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Dear Gay Brothers & Sisters, reason LDS doctrine teaches against
homosexuality because of the pre-existence where satan and his angels rebelled
against Heavenly Father and 1/3 were cast out of heaven, and lost their
opportunity to obtain bodies on earth that could have helped them to progress
like our God the Father, but they chose evil. And you gay people are part of
the 2/3 who followed Christ and received a body here on earth. we are tested by
faith & obedience to all God's commandments. We are a part of
God's creation to give bodies to us as a part of the plan of salvation and
eternal progression. Satan & his devils are jealous and miserable because
you have a body and they are excited to be around & inside you when you
commit homosexual behavior. Satan fosters gay actions to attempt to destroy
God's plan. Gays who feel gay are not sinners but doing the behavior is
wrong. Why some born gay? we dont know, I was born disabled, I dont know but
there's a purpose we have to learn to care our bodies as temples of God.
Wo, wo, be unto those who disobey God!
WIN-WIN | 5:04 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
DOUBLE WIN: I hope they DO boycott Utah--Forever!!!
WIN 1: Victory on Prop. 8
WIN 2: They choose to stay away.
That's a WIN-WIN and it doesn't get any better than that!
WIN 1: Victory on Prop. 8
WIN 2: They choose to stay away.
That's a WIN-WIN and it doesn't get any better than that!
Those Leaving Over This | 5:05 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
To those leaving the church over this: Your testimonies obviously weren't
sufficient to get you there anyway. You have just been waiting for some excuse
to leave the church. Hopefully you can change that and realize the truth.
Its a Definition | 5:07 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
The LDS church is extremely tolerant and loving of homosexuals. Prop 8 was about
maintaining the definition of marriage (between a man and a woman), which has
been established, accepted, and cherished for thousands of years by nearly every
human that has ever lived. This is the fundamental unit of civilized society.
How can a minority group expect to change such a long accepted definition and
fundamental tenet of civilization?
Homosexuals have rights through civil unions�those were not affected by Prop 8. If the civil union rights are not sufficient, then homosexuals should focus energy on that, not re-defining �marriage�.
Homosexuals have rights through civil unions�those were not affected by Prop 8. If the civil union rights are not sufficient, then homosexuals should focus energy on that, not re-defining �marriage�.
RE: Tasha | 5:09 p.m. Nov. 7, 2008
Tasha, the LDS Church did not give money to Prop 8. The members did.
Conversely, LDS members also gave to the Anti-8 campaign.
Religious organizations protesting government legislation is NOTHING new. Throughout history we have seen numerous religious organizations expressing views that would affect the morality of the people. Tasha, this is something called FREE SPEECH. The Church's did not invade civic organizations or schools to foist their views on people, not did governments invade Churches to command assent. Just because one belongs to a Church, does not mean we can not "petition the government for a redress of greivances" as stated in the 1st Amendment. The Government CAN NOT take my rights to be LDS, and as an LDS member I CAN petition the government.
Take a civics class.
Religious organizations protesting government legislation is NOTHING new. Throughout history we have seen numerous religious organizations expressing views that would affect the morality of the people. Tasha, this is something called FREE SPEECH. The Church's did not invade civic organizations or schools to foist their views on people, not did governments invade Churches to command assent. Just because one belongs to a Church, does not mean we can not "petition the government for a redress of greivances" as stated in the 1st Amendment. The Government CAN NOT take my rights to be LDS, and as an LDS member I CAN petition the government.
Take a civics class.
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