Comments about ‘Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City’

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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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Yeah, that's right

Yeah right, the Church has asked for a spirit of understanding from both sides. The gay community has protested, defiled sacred property, name called, threatened members of the Church, sought to have their tax exempt status revoked even though they have broken no law or done anything to warrant that - they have name called, vilified, just about everything they could do.

In the gay community, tolerance is defined as forcing the conservatives to accept their perverted lifestyle. Marriage has traditionally been reserved to a man and a woman. They produce offspring. Hopefully they stay together and are faithful. The children are raised in an enviornment of love with the benefits of a mother AND a father - both of whom have differing tendencies and characteristics which are necessary for the favorable setting for the rearing of children. Homosexuals cannot provide that enviornment, cannot reproduce and cannot - apparently - tolerate anyone who has any views different than their own.

Tolerance is a ONE WAY STREET!

vegasjeff

oh my heck, someone please think of the children!!!!

Wassup

First of all Mr. Whipple, get you facts straight even though it make not serve your agenda. You mentioned that the LDS church members donated 77% of the funds to pass Prop 8. I just saw the KTLA video of the march at the Los Angeles temple. They said that members had donated about $15M...........clearly less than 50%. But in an effort to paint the LDS church members as the majority donators, get your facts straight.

Stick to your civil unions. Don't force your definition of marriage down the throats of everyone else who believes your BEHAVIOR is immoral.

Perhaps your group will now petition diety to add two more commandments. Honor thy father and thy father and Honor thy mother and thy mother. That was TIC! Why is the vast majority of religious denominations against gay marriage?

BTW..........I look forward to your march in Compton or Watts to protest the high percentage of blacks and latinos voting in favor of the Proposition. Let me know how you are treated there vs. in SLC

kenny

There are many organizations scattered across the world that focus on the family. The Latter Day Saint Church is probably one of the most respected and influential of those groups.Should society embrace a new defination of the term family and its makeup then that weakens the long estblished defination being that of man and woman united together in marriage.Offering union to two beings other than man and woman should be and will be spoken out againts by a moral christian society.We have lost our focus on the principle of what is right and wrong.God allows us to choose but He directs the judgements upon us.There is no escape.

car face

people need to grow up

pjw

I live in California, grew up in Utah. I think that the protesters have a point. I dont agree with gay marriage, but the mormons should lose their tax status for getting so heavily involved in another states politics.

Remember the they obtained the end of main street-one of the most valuable properties in SLC-for a song and a dance from the city.

Utah is the only state in the union that doesnt respect the US constitution and separation between church and state.

Every high school has a mormon building across the street and their theology on kid's class schedules. Shame on them and their half baked theology!

Somebody said that half of California is Mormon? Huh have you ever been here?

I supported Prop 8, but I would sure as hell rather get it passed without some religious groups violating the US constitution.

That after all is a hell of a lot more serious than gays marrying!

vegas jeff

such hateful comments from people who claim to be from a church of god.

The View

To arc: What if the Constitution hung by a thread a no one was there to save it because they were all at home watching Ellen?

reason

Most of you commenters don't seem to have the facts. The LDS church preached from the pulpit in favor of prop. 8, they made up over 40% of the money for the pro-8 campaign, and members were given "callings" to work on taking away marriages from gays and lesbians.

What you are witnessing is people of good will, who have compassion and care about equality standing up against the imposition of LDS beliefs on the government of CA.

Being LGBT is genetic, and gays are not going away. You only have a choice about how you treat your fellow human beings. Sadly, the world is now seeing how cruel the LDS church can truly be. But at least some of you and your neighbors let the world know last night that not all Utahns are haters, and not all mormons lack compassion. And sometimes, people are willing to stand up for what is right and decent.

RW

With talk of "homophobes" and gay-haters, I believe, at least for myself, we're not afraid of, nor do we hate, homosexuals. We just disagree vigorously with the practice of homosexuality.

Personally, I view it as a sin, similar to any other moral sin like adultery, viewing of pornography, fornication, etc. We love the sinner and hate the sin.

Now, what I've said may sound unfair, biased, and morally "high-minded", but am I not free to voice my concerns in an open forum. And that, thanks to our founding fathers.

For those who believe in a living prophet and have a firm conviction of LDS beliefs, this is a very real issue. Much depends on it, both in people's lives and for society and the country. From that perspective, how could anyone expect us to stay silent when issues of such importance ARE on the ballot?

Who Me?

Those of you who keep asking why the Mormon church is being singled out remind me of children asking their mothers why they are being blamed and not their siblings when they were in fact the ones responsible for the blame.

Deseret man in Milwaukee

Isn't protesting what was ultimately the vote of the people in California i.e. democracy in action (and yes it takes monetary support to bring about a vote - unless the politburo is in charge) rather pathetic ? These same people would probably applaud judges bypassing democracy to mandate laws while bypassing 'we the people'. I would expect Rocky Anderson to be all for such nonsense.

CP

I wish the media would stop giving exposure to these kinds of activities. But, I do have one question. Are you who were involved in this protest on Temple Square going to go and protest your so called cause at the Cathedral of the Madelain. Because the Catholic Church also helped to get Prop. 8 passed. Or are you just biased against the LDS Church??

Blue

To Plain and Simple: You can look up the term civil marriage yourself. However, you will not find it in your bible or Book of Mormon. Perhaps you should change your moniker to Plain and Simpleton?

Biologist 2 cents

It is ironic opponents of gay marriage argue homosexuality is "not natural" because it does not produce offspring.

This argument is based on a complete MISunderstanding of biological science.

Biological science is on the side of the gays and lesbians!

Homosexuality is found extensively in the animal kingdom and is as "natural" as is heterosexuality.

Social symbiosis has been extensively documented in many species, including the valuable survival role provided by homosexual and nonreproductive members of many species within the species, as well as among different species.

Nobody can possibly argue that God DESIGNED humans to be strictly heterosexual and that homosexuality is, therefore, "unnatural" and "sinful" and will bring about the destruction of human societies.

Neither the scientific nor the ethical cases can be made for that.

By contrast, the ecological perspective in biology completely supports the "naturalness" of homosexuality as well as the societal benefits non-reproducing (homosexual) members and couples of species provide.

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Unintelligent Design (2003) by Mark Perakh and

Unintelligent Design: Why God Isn't as Smart as She Thinks She Is (2007) by Robyn Williams

The Blind Watchmaker (1986) by Richard Dawkins

Biological Exuberance (1999) by Bruce Bagemihl

Arizona Guy

The Arizona version of Prop 8 was Prop 102. I live on a corner, and all 4 of us had Prop 102 signs on our lawns. 2 of us are LDS and 2 are Catholic. One of our Catholic neighbors came to us to ask where he could get a sign, and of course we gladly helped him get one. My other Catholic neighbor had his sign before we had one. Protecting traditional marriage is important to many diverse religious and ethnic groups, as demonstrated by the 70% of African Americans who also voted for it in California. Somehow I don't think the primary source of inspiration for those votes came from the LDS Church. Those who are ranting now didn't have a problem when 4 judges dismissed millions of votes in the previous California action. Now they dismiss the wide diversity of voting and pick what they see as a safe target to vent their anger; the LDS Church.

MORMON POWER

you fools give the LDS church way too much credit for the passage of Prop 8. Are you really dumb enough to think that the Mormon church has that much power in the state of California? The Mormon church more influential than Hollywood and the coorporate giants like Apple and Google. As a California Mormon I'm flattered, really!

They that be with us

Mormons should not be troubled or concerned about the protesters at temple square. Those that followed the prophet in upholding traditional marriage can draw comfort from the scriptures and see the parallel.

Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and compassed the city about.

And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?
And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.


We have done our part. It is not our fight anymore.

SS

1. Why are only the LDS being singled out? These protesters are very hypocritical.

2. Why can't gay couples have civil unions with the rights that come with marriage but without legally requiring any church to recognize it as marriage?

3. You gay rights folks do realize that all the protesting and legislation in the world will never eliminate the 'ick factor' (your term, not mine), right? No judge will ever force straight people to equate gay to normal.

Don

Would those who claim that the law (Prop 8) discriminates agaist a certain class of people, extend the same rights to those who desire plural marriage?

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