Comments about ‘Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City’

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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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Plain & Simple

To Worship: No one was compelled to send money for Prop 8. Ops, I stand corrected. The California Teachers Associations took money from every teachers paychekc fot the No on 8 campaign, not voluntarily but by coercion.

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To John Thompson: The rights of homosexuals was not determined by popular vote; the definition of marrriage was amended into the constitution.

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To Re:Re: Rights: You used the term "homosexual marriages." Please define marriage for us.

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To Emma: ". . . the Supreme Court in 1967 wrote that marriage is a fundatmental human right . . ." Please define marriage for us.

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To Anonymous of 5:12 p.m.: Source please that members of the LDS church gave $20 million for Prop 8. The California Secretary of State publishes by law all contributions for and against propostions and in the interest of transparency discloses the donors name, city, occupation and amount. There is no information on religious affiliation. So again, you source please.

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To Bodymed: I am not even going to reply to your post as others have adequately beat me to it.

Phillip C. Smith



Anger over the status of marriage in society is unfortunate. We need thoughtful discussions based on reasoned empirical studies rather than verbal blasts, epithets like bigot or homophobe or hostile confrontations.

As a sociologist (Ph.D., Stanford University) I find that scientifically-valid studies support the need of society to recruit and prepare the next generation the best way possible. Professors I knew at Stanford who studied the issue ranged from liberal to moderate-conservative. They indicated that the best unit for preparing the next generation consists of an adult male and female who love and are committed to each other, and in turn love and properly care for children born to or adopted into their union. Heterosexuals marrying during non-child-bearing years also uphold by example this ideal. We should hold to and encourage all others to do so. Social responsibility should replace selfishness. If we truly want to help children, nothing but the best should do. Supporters of traditional marriage have valid science on their side.

Phillip C. Smith, Ph.D.

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To Are they equal?: Define marriage and you will get your answer.

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To Talisyn: Don't put any stock in websites that supposedly ID LDS donors. They are totally unreliable. There is no vetting to determine if they are LDS donors or not. You, I or the Man in the Moon good e-mail them and say everyone on the list was LDS and they would publish it as true.

Plain & Simple

To Former Salt Laker: FYI Saddleback Church in South Orange County is having a demonstration this weekend by the gay community. Perhaps you have heard of their pastor, Rick Warren. They held a debate with John McCain and Barack Obama earlier this year.

Scott M

I see a lot of comoents here about how the church supported this Prop..

Correct me if I am wrong, but the church's only stance in political arenas is that we should be involved and make our votes count. they never did tell us to back any individual thing or person. They just said to be counted.

as far as prop. 8 goes, i am for passing the ban. I am an LDS member, but in no way does the church support and moreover encourage me to attack another group for their beliefs. Maybe a lot of money did come from LDS members, but they weren't encouraged to do that from church officials.

Like the Bishop of the Catholic church said, I encourage you to accept the decision of the California people and accept the law as it was passed.

Ehhh...

You all need a good washing and annointing.

Lynn

Say what! Where did these people come up with the figure $20,000,000.00 from the Mormons? Wow! That would be quite a feat, considering that we only have 13,000,000 members, world wide! I seriously doubt that most of us have that kind of money, especially since a good share of the membership are children!!

Anonymous

The church didn't win.

God did.

Anonymous

I have had three different people tell me that they went to Halloween parties dressed as Mormon missionaries, thousands of miles from CA. The LDS Church's efforts on behalf of Prop 8 has, rightly or wrongly, turned many people off to the Church to the point of ridicule. I'm torn about all of this.

Jason

To all of you who say the LDS church had nothing to do with this you are all liars! The church did donate tithing funds to this cause and everyone knows it. A church who wants to keep their tax exempt status is supposed to never influence anyone on any piece of legislation. The church has every right to council members but when it councils on legislation it has crossed the line. It's members are also citizens of this country and trying to influence them on matters of civil issues is breaking the tax law pure and simple. You all tell us to accept the will of the people. Bullcrap! Our rights have been taken away from us. We pay our taxes and are still told to shut up you perverts and accept your fate. NO WE WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Activist judges my foot! They are all conservative/Republican judges appointed by Republican leaders. The purpose of a supreme court is to protect the minority from the the tyranny of the majority. The courts did their job. To even create a prop. like this is in itself tyranny and will one day be punished! All of you have lost.

kidnephi

I live on the Ease Coast, but was raised in Utah. I am a life long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I have seen many protests against the Church come and go and "this to shall pass". It is sad that people will not take the time to really investigate the "Mormon" church and its doctrines. To much is relied on hearsay, innuendo, second hand information, and other information from disgruntled ex-members. As has been stated, the doctrine of the church will not change, marriage between same sex individuals will not be santioned by the LDS Church.
Please read the "Family Proclamation" for the Church's STAND. These protesters would better serve the community by giving of their time and talents to serving others as Jesus Christ would do. As Jesus Christ told the adulterous woman, "go and sin no more". He did not condemn her.

kidnephi

That is I live on the "East Coast".

Revoke tax exempt status

The IRS should begin investigations immediately to determine if the tax code has been violated. If so, regardless of religious organization their tax exempt status should be revoked.

IRS code:

"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."

Adam & Eve

One Man and one Woman that God broght to earth and replenish the earth and be happy. Keep it that way.

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