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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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mom of three | 10:04 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
To Anonymous 9:43 pm: (and all of you who have made similar comments) Your
comments are mean spirited and have not an ounce of decency! Your words speak a
lot about you and that is really sad. This kind of speech does nothing to help
each other see others' points of view, it just alienates people and makes
you look like a "pot stirrer".
A reader... | 10:07 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
DEAR Ashamed: if you don't think those "lies" that you call them
aren't true...then you don't watch the news or read much...check it
out before you claim it's a lie...it's right around the corner and
happening already in some schools. My grandson has already experienced it.
Comments continue below
Non-LDS Man Here | 10:14 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
RE: You're THAT guy
How does my attitude represent or give the mormon church anything, when I am not even mormon. Your comment didn't make any sense.
How does my attitude represent or give the mormon church anything, when I am not even mormon. Your comment didn't make any sense.
To:wheat from the tares | 10:16 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
Nice...I'm going to give you a solid 9.4 on the self righteous scale.
Re: Really? You're Suprised? | 10:20 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
I don't think it's surprise on the part of most members of the LDS
Church. It's disappointment that anti-8 people are acting so bigoted, and
then have the nerve to call us that for voicing our opinions.
from MGL with wow | 10:26 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
wow what is going on in USA. Homosexual is life style people choose and what.
Democracy isn't anarchy. It's sign of world end.
man I gotta get out of this town | 10:30 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
I live in LA, and I will truly celebrate the day that I will leave this state
when I finish school. I feel that someday Church members will have to leave this
modern-day Babylon so that the Lord will be able to do what he sees fit with the
whole state, whether it be burn with wildfires, destroyed by earthquakes, or
swallowed into the ocean. The Church used to have a stronghold in LA, but it has
just continually gotten weaker and weaker, and it is because of the liberal
mindset of the majority of people in LA and the entire state, including many
churchmembers. I believe Church leaders have seen that the failure of Prop 8 or
other similar legislation would/will be the beginning of a moral downturn in
California and in the rest of the US. It's okay to take away any mention of
God and the pledge of allegiance from school, but heaven forbid that we fail to
discuss the alternative lifestyle choices of the moral minority. This is the
beginning of the end, biblical prophecy will be fulfilled, as it always has, as
the latter days wind down. Let me out of here!
Lame | 10:32 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
All these comments are lame...no one is a bigot for having a view point. The
religious right has as much claim to freedom of speech and religious beliefs as
homosexuals. Ballot initiatives are the purest form of democracy we have. Those
that would have Prop 8 repealed by the judges in California would love to have
the government subvert the will of the people. If homosexuals don't like it
they can move to a state where it is recognized. The people have spoken...end of
story.
Friend of Plain & Simple | 10:35 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
A little English and Math lesson for those who are spreading disinformation
through their gender confusion.
"Gay marriage" is one of the greatest oxymorons ever.
Gay = man+man or woman+woman
Marriage = man+woman
Truth does not equal "hate." Nor does a belief and practice that differs from yours and is grounded in time-honored and socially beneficial mores equal "hate." You can scream hate a dozen times, a million times for that matter, and it won't change the truth, which is: Others who disagree with you have just as much right to voice their opinions as you do without those being ironically, erroneously and continually denounced and spat upon as "hateful." It's a shallow tactic, and can easily be seen through by anyone with half a brain.
"Gay marriage" is one of the greatest oxymorons ever.
Gay = man+man or woman+woman
Marriage = man+woman
Truth does not equal "hate." Nor does a belief and practice that differs from yours and is grounded in time-honored and socially beneficial mores equal "hate." You can scream hate a dozen times, a million times for that matter, and it won't change the truth, which is: Others who disagree with you have just as much right to voice their opinions as you do without those being ironically, erroneously and continually denounced and spat upon as "hateful." It's a shallow tactic, and can easily be seen through by anyone with half a brain.
Fed Up | 10:36 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
I truly believe that the Native Americans, Black/African Americans, Irish
Americans and the Chineses Americans deserve better rights than they have now.
They have been through a lot more than anyone in this country. Gays already have
their rights. What more do they need? Stop getting greedy!
Not to worry | 10:41 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
Gov. Arnold S. of California stated this morning on CNN that the gay marriage
issue will probably go back to the California Supreme Court and be overturned
again. I am glad to see that Arnolds views on this subject have evolved and he
is now in favor of marriage among the gay population (if in doupt, read the LA
Times today). Not worry all, Arnold told the homosexual community to never give
up for what is right. Stay strong and equal rights will prevale.
LDS in CA | 10:52 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
Anti California H8 are LDS too; plenty of us in fact. Be careful in discounting
the opinion of your neighbour. I love all these commnets from Utah LDS. Very few
I know in CA would spew such comments, amazing. I have a gay son and if push
comes to shove I chose him, I believe his conviction more than most LDS who have
posted here. All I see her from LDS is hate with no reason other then "that
is what I have been told." Sorry for the rant, I am just an upset mom and
frustrated with the church and some of the people.
no hate | 11:13 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
I don't care what side of the fence you sit on...it is sad to me that a
prophet of god asked members of the lords church to support the proposition and
some have chosen to be in open defiance to this council? I don't
understand.
Joseph | 11:22 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
It makes me sad. There are good Mormons, there are good Gay people. The Mormon
Church's enormous financial support of this proposition is hurting both.
Put the money toward more productive use.
Prop 8 passed | 11:25 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
Nothing more to say than that. The legal process will work its way back through
the courts, but the voice of the people of California twice have ruled that
marriage is between a man and a woman. Guaranteed if the courts overturn this
yet again, eventually nothing will be deemed illegal. Those in favor of
legalizing same-sex marriage claim it is ridiculous to claim that the slippery
slope to legalizing pedophilia (child brides), polygamy (multiple spouses), and
bestiality begins with same-sex marriage, but that is the logical conclusion if
the courts deem you cannot "discriminate" based on sexual preference
even with constitutional verbiage. How can you think the FLDS could not claim
polygamy and child brides are not to be discriminated against if same-sex
marriage is legalized? No one is condoning any type of government interference
in the bedroom or lives of same-sex practitioners, merely the democratically
passed proposition stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil
unions and legal rights are available in California for same-sex practitioners
but not marriage, so no discrimination exists by law.
Lamanite Man | 11:33 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
Being gay is a choice of lifestyle. In the bible, this is an abomination in the
eyes of the Lord. The LDS church is doing what is best for its families and in
keeping family traditions. The church is doing what is best for our children and
for our future.
Do you have a crystal ball | 11:58 p.m. Nov. 9, 2008
How does the Chruch know that it is doing what is best for families. It seems to
me that they are asking many parents to choose between the children who were
born to them and who they have loved forever, and the religion. To those of you
with high and mighty opinions about the happiness of families and what is best
for them....perhaps your God did not deem you worthy to be given such a
beautiful child in these so called "latter days".
Dan | 12:04 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I do think the church is awesome for supporting this... however it dont mean a
thing if the people of california dont actually vote for it. so dont hate the
church hate the majority of california. well on second thought dont hate anyone
just become strait and you'll find you like it
Prop 8 Supporter | 12:08 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The liberals threw a ton of cash at this (more than the Yes campaign). They
have screamed for democratic process. When that doesn't suit them, they
have a tantrum. LDS folks accounted for 2% of the Yes vote... Why didn't
these people scream a week ago when there was a vote to be had?
To LDS in CA-"spewing"? | 12:17 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I was born and raised in CA. I lived in a suburb of LA for 30 years. I have
friends of every race, religion, and sexual preference. The only
"spewing" going on is by those who oppose defining marriage between 1
man and 1 woman. I have friends whose home was vandalized because of a pro prop
8 sign in their yard. Moreover, their sidewalk and driveway sported foul bigoted
lanuage. The police told them the only remedy or recourse they had was to take
the sign out of their yard! I didn't see anything in the media about THAT
one. Now the property of a sacred religious place has been damaged by those who
did it in the name of "acceptance" and "love" for all?
Hmmm...not so loving huh? Of course you love your son. Of course you want him to
be happy. No one wants to deny that to him. But please, don't call quietly
defending ones moral and religious beliefs "spewing". The only thing
being denied to homosexuals is the religious legitimization of an act that has
boldly been delcared by the Maker of us all to be out of harmony with His plan.
Utahn living in New York | 12:23 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It's interesting to watch this debate from outside of Utah and California.
As I read this comment thread, I keep thinking. Do my fellow Mormons not see the
ultimate irony and hypocrisy of the Church's support for Prop8? Just over a
100 years ago, we were the ones fighting for the acceptance of the
"Mormon" definition of marriage (e.g. one many/many wives). I find it
horribly ironic that in 100 years we have gone from being the persecuted to
being the persecutors. It's very disheartening to see that our leaders
would prefer us to devote our time and energy in order to marginalize 10% of the
population. With all of the travesties, poverty, and war in this world, you
would think the First Presidency would their energy focused on these issues. And
that 6 point "Commentary on what would happened if Prop8 fails" that
was passed around in chruch really made me angry. As a lawyer, I found that the
reasoning in it was totally deceptive and misleading. Going down that road only
opened the church to more criticism.
Anonymous | 12:41 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
This is how majority rule has ruined American.
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
This is how majority rule has ruined American.
LoveToAll | 12:42 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
It's weird to me that people are treating "gay's" as if they
are not regular human beings but rather a "special" group of people
that need "special" rights for their immorality. Yes, we are to love
all of God's children but that doesn't mean that we have to accept or
condone their lifestyle. Parents don't need to choose their religion over
their children's behavior. The Mormon religion teaches parents to love
their Lost Children, to pray, support and help their children come back to our
Savior, Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven. It's not a Crytal Ball that
is used to see that it's the best thing for families, it called
SPIRITUALITY!
Jonathan | 1:10 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I've seen 5 year olds who don't get their way act the same way........
Democracy in California | 1:10 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The majority of California voters went to the polls to excerise their civic
duty, outcome...the majority voted for passage of proposition 8. Though the Gay
and Lesbian say they are disappointed and hurt it appears they cannot acccept
the truth. Like an upset adolesent they turn to name calling,lies and causing
civil unrest on city streets and hiways in So. California. On local news one gay
man commented "We will have thousands of transvesites here every night at
the Morman Temple if needed". It is interesting to note the protesters have
not the courage to protest at the doors or gates of the AME church in South
Central L.A.. The Gay community is rapidly losing respect and supporters by the
thousands as result of their chilish actions since the election on Tuesday.
Anonymous | 1:20 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
We have genocide in Darfur, we have AIDS ravaging Africa, Breast Cancer is
killing millions, Hunger, homeless on the streets, Iraq and Afghan War vets not
getting treatment for PTSD and other related injuries.... but of course the most
dangerous thing to humanity is two guys down the street getting married, so
let's throw all of our money time and effort to defeating these liberal
judges.
When did we as Christians and LDS become the Pharisees? How in the last 100 years has the LDS church gone from the hunted minority cult to the big bully on the playground.
You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.
I am embarrassed to be called not only a Christian and a Mormon. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the LDS conference Center... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, and "Hung out with"
It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the roll of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The Church has taken on this modern day roll!
When did we as Christians and LDS become the Pharisees? How in the last 100 years has the LDS church gone from the hunted minority cult to the big bully on the playground.
You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.
I am embarrassed to be called not only a Christian and a Mormon. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the LDS conference Center... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, and "Hung out with"
It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the roll of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The Church has taken on this modern day roll!
maddmob | 1:24 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
When prop 8 went your way (homosexual) I am not clear where the LDS people had
there 4000 person march and where did we vandalize, whine and moan?Oh ya, we
didn't...We took our rights based upon our correct beliefs and VOTED to not
have our families morally shredded.The family,by the way,is the most fundemental
structure since the beginning of time and along come the homosexuals in 2008 and
think "Well,we will just change the most natural thing God has given us,no
big deal."Pretty sure God didn't give girl on girl or guy on guy the
right to procreate,when you can change that call me and I'll switch to your
side.And what in the world does taxes have to do with marriage?It's
fishing.Do as you want but when you attack the most sacred gift known to man,my
family,we are not going to hell without a fight.
Friend of Plain & Simple | 2:22 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Let's take the post beginnint "We have genocide..." and rewrite
it from the other side, just for kicks:
We have genocide in Darfur, we have AIDS ravaging Africa, Breast Cancer is killing millions, ETC.... but of course the most important LIBERAL AGENDA is to REDEFINE MARRIAGE SO two guys down the street CAN PRETEND TO BE married, so let's throw all of our money time and effort to defeating the WILL OF THE CALIFORNIA VOTERS.
When did we as RADICAL GAYS become the DICTATORS OF SOCIAL POLICY? How in the last 30 years has the GAY COMMUNITY gone from the CLOSETED cult to the big bully on the playground?
You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.
I am embarrassed to be called a HOMOSEXUAL. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the GLBT HEADQUARTERS... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, AND HOW HE TOLD SINNERS TO SIN NO MORE.
It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the ROLE of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The GAYS have taken on this modern day ROLE!
Touche, eh?
We have genocide in Darfur, we have AIDS ravaging Africa, Breast Cancer is killing millions, ETC.... but of course the most important LIBERAL AGENDA is to REDEFINE MARRIAGE SO two guys down the street CAN PRETEND TO BE married, so let's throw all of our money time and effort to defeating the WILL OF THE CALIFORNIA VOTERS.
When did we as RADICAL GAYS become the DICTATORS OF SOCIAL POLICY? How in the last 30 years has the GAY COMMUNITY gone from the CLOSETED cult to the big bully on the playground?
You can't spout love, and support it with hate and lies.
I am embarrassed to be called a HOMOSEXUAL. There will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming to the GLBT HEADQUARTERS... Read the scriptures and figure out who Christ ministered to, AND HOW HE TOLD SINNERS TO SIN NO MORE.
It wasn't with the Pharisees who took upon themselves the ROLE of God as the Judge, Jury, and moral authority. The GAYS have taken on this modern day ROLE!
Touche, eh?
just a person | 5:07 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I will continue to fight against that, wich is contrary to the teachings of
jesus christ. Homosexuality is not condoned in any way or form in the
scriptures. If that doesn't sway their thinking and they just desire gay
marriage because straight people can get married,then talk to my two and four
year old children. Becuse you can't always get what you want.Beside that
point marriage is ordained of God. It states that a man will take a women and
there become one before God.It is plainely stated. If you decide to through God
out of the picture and make it fit your requirements then thankyou for
fullfiling a prophecy and makeing the second comeing, come a bit sooner.
Anonymous 1:20 AM | 5:47 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Also, one other thing to you. You don't think the church is well aware of
all the problems on the earth and uses its resources to help others?? The
church spends untold millions of dollars each year in worthy causes to help
other people. And where does that money come from? From the members of the
church who faithfully pay their tithes and offerings.
You are embarrased to be called a Christian and a Mormon? And all because the church felt like it was right and proper to define holy matimony as being between a man and a woman. Unbelievable.
You are embarrased to be called a Christian and a Mormon? And all because the church felt like it was right and proper to define holy matimony as being between a man and a woman. Unbelievable.
Jake | 6:15 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
This is not about discrimination. This is about a distinction among different
behaviors. All laws distinguish among different kinds of behavior. All laws
are based on what people believe to be good versus what they believe to be
wrong. All laws have a moral foundation.
25 Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may be judged according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord.
26 Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law�to do your business by the voice of the people.
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.
25 Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may be judged according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord.
26 Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law�to do your business by the voice of the people.
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.
NB OC, CA | 6:15 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I like how people are accusing the Church of lying to get Prop 8 passed when the
Church never produced any materials in support of Prop 8. The only thing SLC
ever put on paper was a letter to members asking them to support Prop 8, and the
reasoning given was that this was a moral issue. Any ads providing other
reasoning were produced by the various coalitions and were funded only in part
by individual members, not SLC.
Great-should be good for tourism | 6:25 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Anything that brings money into the state's economy is GREAT!
Protest the Mormons, buy gas, buy food, stay at hotels, go shopping, protest some more, stay long enough ski, spend more money...
Is doesn't matter why they're here, they're here! Booya! Ka-ching! Thanks for the money (and by the way, your protests aren't going to change the minds of the Mormon old men).
Protest the Mormons, buy gas, buy food, stay at hotels, go shopping, protest some more, stay long enough ski, spend more money...
Is doesn't matter why they're here, they're here! Booya! Ka-ching! Thanks for the money (and by the way, your protests aren't going to change the minds of the Mormon old men).
Sifting | 7:23 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Judging by a lot of these comments there is going to be some serious sifting of
the wheat from the tares going on in the LDS church. I'm shocked at how
many LDS members don't comprehend their own religion. It seems a lot of
the members come because of the social aspect. These people are not going to
last.
MMM | 7:45 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Civil Rights: OK, everyone have the right to be supported by the goberment as
equal...as human being...BUT "Religious Marriage" IF YOU REALLY
believe in God and want to live by GOD'S LAW, not changing for your
convenience, Dont fight agaisnt THAT LAW, God doesnt change, He said Man and
Woman, THAT IS NOT MY LAW, OS GOD'S LAW!!!
stop already | 7:54 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
What an absurd amount of time wasted on such none christen like behaviors, if
you are tired of people viewing the LDS church so negatively then stop posting
on these ridiculous threads and get out and help your community and your
neighbors regardless of their religion or sexual orientation. You do not have to
approve of every part of a persons life to show them a little christen love.
True Colors | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
We are now seeing the true colors of the gay rights movement. They vandalise
church property and harass people as they go to church. And they do this
becuase they didn't get their way. If prop 8 would have been defeated do
you think LDS people would have been keying cars, breaking windows and picketing
gay rights people? I don't think so. Prop 8 was voted on and passed by
the voters. I guess this doesn't count if you are gay. Gay people should
have special rights and not have to pay attention to what the majority wants. I
didn't vote for Obama. Gee maybe I should start breaking the windows of
homes that belong to Obama supporters. Maybe I should try and get some activist
judges to put McCain in the whitehouse. Who cares what people voted for? Come
on people. What is a demacracy good for if what the people vote for is not
upheld? I'm afraid gays are going to get their way no matter what the
people want. The system is too corrupt to work anymore.
no more | 8:05 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
no more G and L. California voted. The foundng fathers spoke of. This country
was no intended to be a play ground for the travesty of G and L.
momof4 | 8:20 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
As a mother of young children, I am NOT willing to let my innocent children be
indoctrinated by people who thumb their noses at God's law. God made Adam
and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve. "We, The People" refuse to let you
hijack the term "marriage" for your sick lifestyle. You have the same
rights under a different name. Quit whining! Vandalism doesn't give you
more credibility, it just shows your true colors. Oh, and by the way......you
have not lost rights because gay people NEVER had the right to be married. FYI,
LDS people out there who voted No on Prop 8......you will be held accountable
for your actions by a higher law!
Heidi | 8:23 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
The LDS church gave $22 million to the efforts to Pass Prop 8.........and you
wonder why they are being singled out? Pa-lease!!
This protest WILL make an impact. There will be protests, like this one in almost all 50 states in the next month. With enough interest and momentum, the choice will go to the supreme court and Gay Marriage will be legal. And let me guess, those "prophets" you follow will claim God has spoken to them and allow Gays into their congregation just as with African Americans...? What a bunch of BS!
This protest WILL make an impact. There will be protests, like this one in almost all 50 states in the next month. With enough interest and momentum, the choice will go to the supreme court and Gay Marriage will be legal. And let me guess, those "prophets" you follow will claim God has spoken to them and allow Gays into their congregation just as with African Americans...? What a bunch of BS!
Re: Anonymous 1:20 a.m. | 8:25 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Sorry, but your logic makes no sense whatsoever.
But thanks for proving the scriptures and all the prophecies about the last days correct. Even the very elect will be deceived.
But those who follow the prophet will not be deceived. See, you will never go wrong following the prophet. It comes down to whether you believe the president of the church is a prophet. If you don't -- fine. But why be a member of a church where you don't believe one of the most basic tenets of its beliefs?
What good is it to be a member of a church whose teachings are dictated and swayed by public opinion?
Christ did minister to all. But he also said "If ye love me, keep my commandments." He said the healthy need not a physician -- but when he "hung out with" them, as you say, he didn't condone their behavior. He taught them the right way to live. He told them to "go your way and sin no more." And when he taught contrary to the prevailing thought of the day, he was killed.
Christ did love the sinner -- but never did condone the sin. Ever.
But thanks for proving the scriptures and all the prophecies about the last days correct. Even the very elect will be deceived.
But those who follow the prophet will not be deceived. See, you will never go wrong following the prophet. It comes down to whether you believe the president of the church is a prophet. If you don't -- fine. But why be a member of a church where you don't believe one of the most basic tenets of its beliefs?
What good is it to be a member of a church whose teachings are dictated and swayed by public opinion?
Christ did minister to all. But he also said "If ye love me, keep my commandments." He said the healthy need not a physician -- but when he "hung out with" them, as you say, he didn't condone their behavior. He taught them the right way to live. He told them to "go your way and sin no more." And when he taught contrary to the prevailing thought of the day, he was killed.
Christ did love the sinner -- but never did condone the sin. Ever.
Roger E. Carrier | 8:29 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I am a straight male, age 62, married 40 years, lifelong Utah resident, and I
don�t see for the life of me how gay marriage hurts
anybody�s marriage.
If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it.
We have dozens of Utah families living in homeless shelters, and that money spent in California could have changed their lives. Doesn�t anyone see the contradiction with Christian family values?
The anti-gay marriage people have hyped their cause to preposterous levels. Does the marriage of Jim and Bob of Arbuckle City, California at the Colusa Country Courthouse really have any affect on anybody�s marriage? By preventing Jim and Bob from getting married, are we really saving the family? Come on, get real.
IMPORTANT: I don't believe the LDS Church is a cult or not a Christian religion. My disagreement is not with Mormon theology but with the mean-spirited policy and the funding of a POLITICAL crusade off in California.
Some Mormons that I've known have been salt-of-the-earth people. I've lived in Utah my entire life and love many tithe-paying Mormons.
If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it.
We have dozens of Utah families living in homeless shelters, and that money spent in California could have changed their lives. Doesn�t anyone see the contradiction with Christian family values?
The anti-gay marriage people have hyped their cause to preposterous levels. Does the marriage of Jim and Bob of Arbuckle City, California at the Colusa Country Courthouse really have any affect on anybody�s marriage? By preventing Jim and Bob from getting married, are we really saving the family? Come on, get real.
IMPORTANT: I don't believe the LDS Church is a cult or not a Christian religion. My disagreement is not with Mormon theology but with the mean-spirited policy and the funding of a POLITICAL crusade off in California.
Some Mormons that I've known have been salt-of-the-earth people. I've lived in Utah my entire life and love many tithe-paying Mormons.
Shecky Idaho Mormon | 8:45 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
What is up with Rocky Anderson? After the wimpy way he waved the flag during
the Olympics...why would you even want him representing anybody? What a
'ditz'. Do any of you protesters really think you'll change
anyone's mind? I am amazed at the hypocrisy coming from the gay community.
You are only 'for something' if everybody else agrees with you. They
wanted Prop 8 on the ballot, so you could all vote in favor of it. Oh, but
wait...it got defeated, and now you are just a bunch of whiners. I wanted
McCain over Obama. Obama won. I guess I will deal with it and go on with my
life. Why can't you pathetic cry babies do the same thing.
oh man | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
you mormons are so self centered. I'm sorry that you feel like if gay
marrige is allowed, your marrige will be viewed as "less valid" but
those are YOUR VIEWS. If you believe that god meant for marrige to only be
between a man an a women, then good for you, but obviously gays don't
believe in that, so why are YOUR VIEWS, changing the way that they live their
lives. It's fine if a person doesn't believe in gay marrige, but that
is thier views and it shouldn't be changing the way other people live.
Re: Anonymous | 1:20 a.m. | 8:55 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
"I am embarrassed to be called not only a Christian and a Mormon. There
will come a day when the Savior returns, and I promise you he will not be coming
to the LDS conference Center..."
You're right. He'll first appear at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, and then He'll descend down to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. I don't imagine the LDS Conference Center is anywhere near the top of the list, though I'm sure He'll visit there someday. =)
You're right. He'll first appear at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, and then He'll descend down to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. I don't imagine the LDS Conference Center is anywhere near the top of the list, though I'm sure He'll visit there someday. =)
Robert | 9:25 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
Thank you California for passing Prop 8. I was thrilled to be able to send some
money to support Yes on Prop 8. And thatnk you to all the others who supported
this in any way they could. The intolerance shown by a small activist group of
the LGBT community does a disserve to those who I know to be Gay & Lesbian.
If they would put their effots to promoting the real needs they have of property
rights, visitation rights etc that they say they want for themselves and their
partner, without hijacking Marriage, they would be getting what they want and
need. This radical activism does just what Mr. Whipple says the LDS church did
for his cause. It encourages me to be more actively supportive of protecting
marriage. Expect me to double my contribution the next time it is needed.
Not surprised, but concerned | 9:35 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
it was nice to see the people of California stand up for traditional moral
values that made America great and can keep America from falling further into
societal decay. The democratic process is open to all, but it is sad the way
some people respond. Shooting out windows at an LDS church. It appears mob
mentality is the response of those who disagree with the outcome, and probably
giving a lot of peaceful protestors a bad name.
Arthur | 9:56 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
If a few judges want to deem the current definition marriage unconstitutionally
biased again and again till it sticks, fine by me.
Apparently the country went the wrong way with the civil rights movement. We need those judges to redefine the unconstitutionally biased term "white" to include african americans, hispanics, asians, and indians. Apparently there is no such thing as seperate but equal. I want to be white!!!
Apparently the country went the wrong way with the civil rights movement. We need those judges to redefine the unconstitutionally biased term "white" to include african americans, hispanics, asians, and indians. Apparently there is no such thing as seperate but equal. I want to be white!!!
Roger Carrier | 9:58 a.m. Nov. 10, 2008
I am a straight male, age 62, married 40 years, and I don�t
see for the life of me how gay marriage hurts anybody�s
marriage.
If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it.
The anti-gay marriage people have hyped their cause to preposterous levels. Does the marriage of Jim and Bob of Arbuckle City, California at the Colusa Country Courthouse really have any affect on anybody�s marriage? By preventing Jim and Bob from getting married, we are saving the family? Come on, get real.
IMPORTANT: I don't believe the LDS Church is a cult, and my disagreement is not with Mormon theology. I disagree with the mean-spirited policy and the funding of a crusade off in California. Some Mormons that I've known have been salt-of-the-earth people. I've lived in Utah my whole life.
If a church or person doesn�t believe in it, then fine. But don�t pass laws against it.
The anti-gay marriage people have hyped their cause to preposterous levels. Does the marriage of Jim and Bob of Arbuckle City, California at the Colusa Country Courthouse really have any affect on anybody�s marriage? By preventing Jim and Bob from getting married, we are saving the family? Come on, get real.
IMPORTANT: I don't believe the LDS Church is a cult, and my disagreement is not with Mormon theology. I disagree with the mean-spirited policy and the funding of a crusade off in California. Some Mormons that I've known have been salt-of-the-earth people. I've lived in Utah my whole life.
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