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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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CA Supreme Court

May 2008: "We therefore conclude that in view of the substance and significance of the fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship, the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual, and to same-sex couples as well as to opposite-sex couples."

To make an amendment to the California Constitution that is "of substance", the amendment must come from either the state legislature or a constitutional convention. An amendment proposed by the initiative process is not sufficient to make this sort of change to the California Constitution. That's existing California law.

Why then let it on the ballot? Had it been rejected the court wouldn't have had to rule on it at all. That's their preference.

It'll be overturned, and then everybody can spend another 100 million on ads for and against the next one. Think of it as the next economic stimulus package.

To If our Church | 7:46

Too bad you're leaving -- we'll miss you. And, sadly, your family, for generations to come, will miss the truth.

But we'd be missing a lot more if we bought into the world's view that standing up for truth is hate.

It's not. It's love.

God loves you. He loves us all, including Californians on both sides of Prop 8. He wants us all to be happy. But he knows giving in to sin never brings happiness. And giving in to your hate won't bring happiness either.

God bless in your new life. When you get tired of hating, remember, we're always here for you.

Rights aren't created by statute

Be Still and Know,

"Gay people have the right to marry just like everyone else. They just don't have a special right to marry someone of the same sex."

Marriage is not a right and we shouldn't refer to it as a right. The problem we are having is because the people are referring to everything as right.

Rights are inalienable and can not be granted or denied by government. Rights are individual, not collective.

We have a right to freedom of speech. But don't have a right for government to promote or publish it.

We have freedom of religion. But don't have a right to force government to recognize our religion.

We have freedom of assembly but that doesn't mean that Congress has to allow us to assemble in the House chambers.

We have freedom to participate in public meetings but the majority and their representatives don't have to allow us to remain if we are disruptive.

We have freedom to elect members of Congress but the majority of Congress doesn't have to allow them to take their seats and can expel our Congressman.

Simply put, rights are independent of Government and cannot be violated. Marriage isn't a right.

heleninoz

It amazes me! People criticise the LDS church for contributing money toward such an important issue but I would hazard a guess that many of those who are whinging and whining now, would gladly take the handouts and help that the Church gives in times of disasters. A lot of money generously given by LDS members is because they fast meals. They contribute the money not used for food to the Church. I know how the LDS members give generously not only financially but physically.
I am a LATTER DAY SAINT; I AM A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. How thankful I am to have a Prophet to guide me in these Latter Days.

anne

Maybe it will make a difference. Look at them with love and see if it's any easier to see their frustration.
Just because a person is wrong doesn't mean they can't feel hurt and pain. A little empathy goes a long way. Both directions is even better. :D

You can not change them. No person can change another person. You can be an example to them. Teach them with Christ like attitudes. If they don't want to be taught then just love them because they are God's children and our brothers and sisters.

You know what? I was speaking as a LDS person but this all works both directions.

There is a nice non religious saying "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Maybe it's true! It is certainly more kind. And there's a lot fewer hurt feelings. And more listening. My gosh! It just might work!

James

The Church stated "Once again, we call on those involved in the debate over same-sex marriage to act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward each other"
...isn't it too late? You have not show the gay and lesbian community respect by taking away their civil rights...can you really expect the same?

Dare to differ

Bring on the boycott. Isolation is what Our ancestors sought for in the first place..... to have a sanctuary to live their religion according to the dictates of our own hearts, the Lord God himself and not the government of Mamon. We have plenty of natural resources in gold, silver, oil, coal, iron, copper, uranium, natural gas. We have some of the world's most beautiful and pristene scenic wonderlands in our canyons, mountains and deserts. We definitely have the greatest snow on earth. There's plenty of us to support our own economy....so go ahead and bring on your boycott......don't be surprised when you find out just how insignificant you really are because there are plenty of non Mormons out there who appreciate not only us as a people but what we have in our state.

James

Danny C. you are wrong! change will happen! Progress will happen! No longer does society ban interracial marriage, and support segregation of African Americans and Whites.
Ready or not...here it comes!

alternate

protest rocky. Funny how he shows up when it's hate time. This time hate against the LDS church.

Hey, Rocky, maybe you can go after our new President-elect also. Am I not correct that he spoke up in favor of marriage being a man and a woman? Next you best move on to Florida, Arizona and all the other States.

Anonymous

People should not take the frustrations of these protesters too personal. After all they have suffered a huge disappointment.

How would you feel if an outside force tried to influence our states and communities social laws?

Well, actually tons of money came in to Utah to fight a similar law we passed.

And tons of outside money was spent to stop the church and the city from allowing the churches right of way down town.

And tons of outside money has been used to tie up Utah lands in wilderness and tell us how to use it, often preventing its use.

Clinton even set aside the Escalante staircase monument while in Arizona as a political stunt to get Arizona votes, undermining a more substantial discussion going on in our state legislature.

But we should play the bigger part and not be bothered by their defacing our property and using hate to fight hate.

After all, voting ones conscience is a form of hate.

Devout LDS

This is another testimony to me that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the one church that encompasses the fulness of the gospel. That is why Satan has to work so hard to try to thwart this church but not the others.

In CA

"This is the moment we as a gay society need to stand up and fight for ourselves," said Whipple, a gay man who planned to wed in California in April.

Why do they have to be a separate society? If they are sparate then civil unions should work just fine.

Lisa Young

There should be a separation of church and state on this issue. Until all LDS families step up and adopt children outside of their families they have no right to stop other citizens from forming families and adopting. This has far reaching social implications. Preach love not social separatism. Accept differences in others.

Sam

Dear Mormon people. The best thing WE can do, is not even take notice of what is going on in SLC. Do not give the protesters any notice. We need to quit blogging here. Just let it go. They will stop. They want us to get all riled up. Just ignore them.

Numbers

To Shaun, who said: "The more you hate and persecute......the more we're going to grow in numbers and stength." The problem with that idea is that we are not large and strong. It seems that way in Utah, but the truth is, although the Catholic Church is growing by only one percent a year, that one percent per year equals the entire world population of the LDS Church. Imagine adding the entire size of the LDS Church every year! Why do you think the protestors are attacking us and not the Catholic Church? Because they can damage us. Beware.

to Aaron:

Aaron was the brother of Moses remember? You might want to read about Aaron and ponder his situation in the Land of Egypt and out in the wilderness. Remember his disobedience when the masses began to riot that they wanted a golden calf and Aaron actually help make it because at the time Moses had been on the Mount too long and the people began to murmur. So, they convinced Aaron that what they wanted was right and he bought into to their request only to be ashamed later when Moses appear and the terrible consequences for the Israelites followed. Aaron, we are not much different today when we are disobedient to the Lord. The consequences will follow disobedience. Following the crowd has usually never been the right path when is goes against the teachings of the Lord. The Bible is very clear about what happens to those who abuse the sacred blessing of our bodies where procreation is concerned. The Lord will not be mocked in this sacred relationship between and man and woman since Adam and Eve. He loves us but his laws are Eternal and just.

Cherilyn Bacon Eagar

Some points at the heart of this discussion:
1. Many churches were involved.

2. 70% of the black vote influenced the outcome.

3. The media has deceived the public by falsely portraying homosexuality as immutable (i.e. unchangeable; see NARTH.org for supporting social science research).

4. This issue is not about adult sexual relationships. It's about society protecting the optimal environment for raising children - in a family with both a mother and a father.

5. Parental rights were at stake because government-funded schools in countries and states in which same-gender marriage is already lawful are required to, and do, teach the lawful definitions of marriage, including same-gender marriage.

6. Religious liberties were at stake because countries in which same-gender marriage and hate-crime legislation is already the law can fine or penalize individuals and organizations that fall within the definitions of hate crimes statutes.

7. Protests are futile. There were similar protests against the LDS church during the Womens Lib movement. The LDS church was right in forecasting the depravation that would be heaped upon the family when the protected status of women was equalized.

Gay

The word "gay" used to mean someone who is happy! I am happy, does that make me gay? Who changed the meaning? Next word on the change agenda is apparently, "marriage". What will it mean to be married in 10 years? Probably very little if these people succeed in yet another definition change. And no, I am not a bigot or a homophobe. I just don't think marriage should be tampered with. To some of us it is sacred institution ordained by God himself. If true, then these people's arguements are really with God! But can they "tolerant" Him? Can He tolerate them is a better question!

Tolerance

Must we tolerate everything? All behaviors? Are we bigots and intolerant if we can't abide everything and everything? Is no behavior untolerable?

Are they Equal?

If civil unions are the eqivalent of marriage, why not let gays get married and you straights can have civil unions? Why would YOU object to that?

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