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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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People can... | 2:43 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
vote for laws, candidates or any other position for whatever reason they want
to. It doesn't matter if they have religious reasons for their voting
habits or not. There is no law whatsover on any piece of legislation in the
United States that says that a person's reasons for voting how they wish
have to be secular reasons. Every single person in this country goes into the
voting booth with their individual background, circumstances, morals, values and
beliefs with them. Elections and ballot measures are not interested in WHY
somebody voted for something, just that they DID.
Question to people like Laura | 2:44 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
"People like Brad Pitt donated 100K to the NO campaign."
What are "people like Brad Pitt"?
What are "people like Brad Pitt"?
Sokel | 3:01 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Let them move to Conneticut or Massachusetts...or
France. The people have spoken...We the people have
a right to protect what we do or do not find acceptable behavior.
France. The people have spoken...We the people have
a right to protect what we do or do not find acceptable behavior.
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TO JAN COLLINS | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I hope you read the comments posted by "just some facts" posted at
1:35. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight before making such stupid
remarks. There were MANY, MANY of us who joined with the Mormons working in
Southern California to correct the travisty of justice brought on by four judges
earlier this year. This issue was as much about the audacity of these judges -
who, on thier own, stole the right of the voter to have his vote count. Just in
case you have forgotten this is a government FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE. This
issue was already decided on BY THE PEOPLE but was overturned by just these four
judges. Prop 8 was just as much a voting rights issue as it was a was a moral
issue. California voters WERE NOT all Mormons! They DID NOT even make up the
majority of voters! Exactly what part of this is it you are not able to
comprehend? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE...postum?
dj | 3:20 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
People who have that kind of money to donate.
Guapo | 3:21 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If the people in CA voted for YES on 8 they (ie gays, lesbians, and what every
else you call the wackos) need to respect it. Not all California is all San
Frqncisco and West Hollywood. If they do not like the way the vote came out GET
OUT OF CA. Don't bnlame the churches because of your lifestyle change you
have made. If you do not like it here MOVE OUT. No one is stopping you.
Anonymous | 3:21 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Has anyone else noticed that the Mormon Church leadership has not instructed its
members to donate $20 million for a political campaign to end polygamy in Utah?
To Mumacita | 3:24 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As a Jew, I cannot let your post go by without comment.
Kristallnacht was a pogrom in Nazi Germany on November 9�10, 1938. On a single night, 92 Jews were murdered, and 25,000�30,000 were arrested and deported to concentration camps. Tomorrow is the 70th anniversary of the horrific event.
Please do not compare the peaceful anti-8 demonstrations to this.
Kristallnacht was a pogrom in Nazi Germany on November 9�10, 1938. On a single night, 92 Jews were murdered, and 25,000�30,000 were arrested and deported to concentration camps. Tomorrow is the 70th anniversary of the horrific event.
Please do not compare the peaceful anti-8 demonstrations to this.
Steve | 3:25 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I'm going to gather my straight friends and I together and go protest in
front of a gay club. This is stupid.
Rebutting so-called "God's Will" | 3:26 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
"God's Will" posted:
"... It is human arrogance and foolishness to think that God could not have created mankind as a species that procreates asexually."
No, it's your total ignorance of historical and biological reality that could even create such a pretense. You're obviously not aware of the definition of "asexual":
1. Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless.
2. Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.
Mankind produces sexually naturally through the union of a man and a woman. Assert otherwise, and you might as well be chasing rainbows and hunting unicorns.
"God also created mankind as a technology developing species. "If man were meant to fly, God would have given him wings!" So we invent airplanes and space flight."
Just because man can, doesn't mean man should. It's called "self-restraint," a concept radical gays don't seem to handle very well. The fruits of progress can be used for good or ill, but homosexual unions masquerading as "marriages" is not progress; they are only a pathetic approximation of the natural role of men and women and aren't conducive to healthy families.
"... It is human arrogance and foolishness to think that God could not have created mankind as a species that procreates asexually."
No, it's your total ignorance of historical and biological reality that could even create such a pretense. You're obviously not aware of the definition of "asexual":
1. Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless.
2. Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.
Mankind produces sexually naturally through the union of a man and a woman. Assert otherwise, and you might as well be chasing rainbows and hunting unicorns.
"God also created mankind as a technology developing species. "If man were meant to fly, God would have given him wings!" So we invent airplanes and space flight."
Just because man can, doesn't mean man should. It's called "self-restraint," a concept radical gays don't seem to handle very well. The fruits of progress can be used for good or ill, but homosexual unions masquerading as "marriages" is not progress; they are only a pathetic approximation of the natural role of men and women and aren't conducive to healthy families.
Curt | 3:30 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I have a dear friend who attended the protest against the church for its stand
against gay marriage. This lead to a discussion that exposed the hypocrisy of so
many of those who marched at the temple. I asked her why she would hold the
church accountable for it's position against gay marraige, but she voted
for Barack Obama who repeated said and I qoute "marriage should be left
between a man and a woman" How could they vote for a candidate whose open
position is closer to the Mormon church's than there own. The Knight of
Columbus was a huge contributor to fight this iniative, but not a single protest
at the cathedral of the Madeliene. 52% of Californian's oppose gay marraige
in one of the most liberal states outside of France.
To Anonymous from AZLDSGal | 3:34 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Polygamy in Utah is already illegal. Polygamy in this entire country is
illegal. They can't prosecute them because they are not getting married by
legal law. They marry the first wife by law and marry the rest by what
"they believe" to be a spiritual marriage. You might want to check
out a book once a while and read up on these things before you speak.
Anonymous | 3:40 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Hate state? Utah? Hmmm, sounds like the Utah I have known for many years. Too
bad we continue to be like this.
Rover | 3:43 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
RE: arc
the constitution will hang by a thread and orrin hatch will save it.
Or Mitt Romney.
the constitution will hang by a thread and orrin hatch will save it.
Or Mitt Romney.
Response to more lies from liars | 3:44 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
What,
"You don't get it. Nobody is upset that people voted against it, they're upset that the church spent millions of dollars supporting any bill."
It's obvious you don't get it since:
1) this was not an bill. Please learn the difference between an initiative and a bill.
2) the LDS Church only made an in-kind donation of $2,078.97 which means that the Church reported money it spent in support of Proposition 8.
3) Individual Mormons donated and so did many others including Bruce Bastian, a non-Mormon, from Utah who donated 1 million to oppose Prop. 8. I suspect that the average donation of Mormons is $5,000.
We as individuals have a right to donate to any cause we choose and to be free from harassment when we choose to become involved in free elections. The Church did nothing different than the organizations who opposed Proposition 8 and many of them donated far more time, money and resources to oppose Prop. 8 so give it a rest.
"You don't get it. Nobody is upset that people voted against it, they're upset that the church spent millions of dollars supporting any bill."
It's obvious you don't get it since:
1) this was not an bill. Please learn the difference between an initiative and a bill.
2) the LDS Church only made an in-kind donation of $2,078.97 which means that the Church reported money it spent in support of Proposition 8.
3) Individual Mormons donated and so did many others including Bruce Bastian, a non-Mormon, from Utah who donated 1 million to oppose Prop. 8. I suspect that the average donation of Mormons is $5,000.
We as individuals have a right to donate to any cause we choose and to be free from harassment when we choose to become involved in free elections. The Church did nothing different than the organizations who opposed Proposition 8 and many of them donated far more time, money and resources to oppose Prop. 8 so give it a rest.
Barbara Eades | 3:44 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As I read "a man and a woman" in Prop 8, I see nothing in that
pertaining EXCLUSIVELY to same sex couples; however, it seems that for whatever
reason or reasons, that seems to be what it evolved to. How did it come to this?
Thank you Attorney General Jerry Brown, as it would appear the way you worded
the information on the ballots regarding Prop 8 brought this on as exclusively
pertaining to same sex couples. Woe is me! Seems to me like some people need to
go back to school and learn to read or more importantly learn meanings of words.
Obviously there are other situations that are not "a man and a
woman"!!!
Anonymous | 3:48 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Do you think you are being original when you say the Adam and Steve bit? It is
dull and stupid and if you think abut it God DID create Adam and Steve!!! And
gays normally do come from heterosexual intercourse so can that mean that you
breeders create gays and lesbians? Think about it
To the lying tyrant | 3:49 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Anonymous,
"Has anyone else noticed that the Mormon Church leadership has not instructed its members to donate $20 million for a political campaign to end polygamy in Utah?"
Polygamy isn't legal in Utah and Utah's Attorney General, a Mormon, has enforced the law. The lies will not work and you will prove to the world that you bigoted tyrants will do and say anything to force your opinion on the majority.
"Has anyone else noticed that the Mormon Church leadership has not instructed its members to donate $20 million for a political campaign to end polygamy in Utah?"
Polygamy isn't legal in Utah and Utah's Attorney General, a Mormon, has enforced the law. The lies will not work and you will prove to the world that you bigoted tyrants will do and say anything to force your opinion on the majority.
Anon | 3:49 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Imagine if, in deference to the self-esteem of lazy students and mathematical
idiots, PI was declared by judges to be exactly 3.
This is precisely analogical to what the CA Supreme Court did in declaring marriage to be between two individuals regardless of sex.
The sole point of difference is that the inevitable damage from the stupidity of defining PI to be exactly 3 would occur almost immediately (any future engineering relying on PI would cease to function).
This is precisely analogical to what the CA Supreme Court did in declaring marriage to be between two individuals regardless of sex.
The sole point of difference is that the inevitable damage from the stupidity of defining PI to be exactly 3 would occur almost immediately (any future engineering relying on PI would cease to function).
Dorias | 3:49 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I think it is time for Rocky Anderson to come out of the closet.
so happy i left | 3:52 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I am so happy I left the mormon church a few months back. I left because I
believed the history was full of lies, they preach hate and hypocrisy.
After reading these post and hear people talk about this issue, I thank god I no longer have any association with these people.
After reading these post and hear people talk about this issue, I thank god I no longer have any association with these people.
Anonymous | 3:53 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
So you think that my being gay is a sin? I really don't care what you think
and you don't care either that I think being LDS is a sin...so we are even.
Get a life
glenncali | 3:53 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Thank you LDS for supporting Prop. 8...they won't have our children to
pervert...Roman Catholic
Tru | 3:54 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The LDS church isn't the only church that spent millions of $s. Anyone
protesting in the Vatican??? You have equated Sexual Preference with natural
rights. Race & gender are things over which people have no control.
Sexual activity is. To bunch them together is a mistake. Sexual activity
outside of marriage is a moral issue, which is why the church is involved.
Laws are in place to protect gays to visit loved ones in the hospital, inherit
when the loved one passes away, and even to adopt. What more do gays need?
need does not equal want...What they want is a recruiting vehicle like the
schools and other state mandates to impose the gay choice upon a heterosexual
society. If everyone were to become gay the human race would eliminate itself
in one generation.
GAY AND PROUD | 3:55 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I have to laugh at you heterosexuals...you spend so much time worrying about
what we gays are doing in our bedrooms...I couldn't care less what you do
in yours..if I did I would probably throw up
Anonymous | 3:57 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
LDS Moral? Oh please...give me a break
Anonymous | 4:00 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Why are we targeting the LDS??? Because you stick your noses in other
peoples' business where you are not welcome. Have you not noticed that most
of the time your so called missionaries are NOT welcome.
Anonymous | 4:04 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Being gay is not a choice...don't go mouthing off stuff you have no clue
about
Anonymous | 4:05 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Hate=Mormon
Floridian | 4:07 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As a Mormon I understand the position of the Church. But honestly I do not know
the position of all the gays and lesbians. What are you looking for? Is the
word marriage what your are trying to add to your relationship? Please use this
forum to educate. Honestly if you do it with respect and civility many Mormons
will listen to what you really want and feel.
Unimpressed | 4:09 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Lets see, a male named Whipple is whining that he can't marry another man
in Utah because a bunch of people in California, for the second time, against
this arrangement?
Whipple clearly is far too much time on his hands or cannot find any real injustice to correct.
Whipple clearly is far too much time on his hands or cannot find any real injustice to correct.
Frank | 4:12 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
2% of California is Mormon. There are more gays than Mormons in California,
which makes the fact that 77% of the money for Yes On Prop 8 came from Mormon
sources mostly outside the state rather awkward for California's Mormons.
Hmmm | 4:13 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Hmmm, maybe all you Mormons are right. People keep saying that no rights have
been taken away from me, I still have the right to marry someone of the opposite
sex. Well gay folks, maybe it's time to listen. If every gay man married
a gay women, think of the tax revenue we'd deny the straight community, and
boy could we mess with their heads! I've got great health care coverage,
are there any lesbians out there who'd like to share my piece of the pie?
Bring your kids too - the more the merrier! Or, how about this - we could all
make a little extra money by marrying illegal aliens - you know, for a fee of
course. And, there's an endless number who are just dying to get here! Wow,
we could really pad our pocket books, couldn't we. Hey gay brothers and
sisters, maybe they're actually onto something!
Beeswax | 4:13 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Yes, the "people have spoken." However, it will be resolved when the
Supreme Court has spoken. Equality trumps bigotry every time.
Freedom will prevail over tyrant | 4:14 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Anonymous,
"Why are we targeting the LDS??? Because you stick your noses in other peoples' business where you are not welcome. Have you not noticed that most of the time your so called missionaries are NOT welcome."
The law that we live under is our business as much as it is the business of those who opposed Prop. 8. You don't have a right to vote while we don't. Many non-Mormons donated to oppose Prop. 8 including Bruce Bastian who donated $1,000,000 even though he lives in Utah. Members of the Church donated on an average of $5,000 which is less then the donations of many supporters of same-sex marriage.
We have never stuck our noses in anyone's business. We don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home but it is our business what the law is and our opinions have as much right in the public square as does yours and to suggest that we don't or to target the Church for exercising the same right as other associations of individuals is tyrannical. Freedom will prevail and the enemies of liberty who want to force their will on the majority will not prevail.
"Why are we targeting the LDS??? Because you stick your noses in other peoples' business where you are not welcome. Have you not noticed that most of the time your so called missionaries are NOT welcome."
The law that we live under is our business as much as it is the business of those who opposed Prop. 8. You don't have a right to vote while we don't. Many non-Mormons donated to oppose Prop. 8 including Bruce Bastian who donated $1,000,000 even though he lives in Utah. Members of the Church donated on an average of $5,000 which is less then the donations of many supporters of same-sex marriage.
We have never stuck our noses in anyone's business. We don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home but it is our business what the law is and our opinions have as much right in the public square as does yours and to suggest that we don't or to target the Church for exercising the same right as other associations of individuals is tyrannical. Freedom will prevail and the enemies of liberty who want to force their will on the majority will not prevail.
David S | 4:16 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Man has the potential to live beyond his own narrow interests--through families:
grandparent, parent, and children families.
No person, through the lives of their forefathers, the span of their own life, and the life extending through their posterity will ever experience the deepest fulfillment outside the traditional family.
Gays/lesbians, however great their individual souls may be, will never enjoy this enduring, extended kind of fulfillment.
Let those of us who trust family as THE enduring intuition of growth and happiness never be ashamed to protect it.
No person, through the lives of their forefathers, the span of their own life, and the life extending through their posterity will ever experience the deepest fulfillment outside the traditional family.
Gays/lesbians, however great their individual souls may be, will never enjoy this enduring, extended kind of fulfillment.
Let those of us who trust family as THE enduring intuition of growth and happiness never be ashamed to protect it.
Gays NOT fair | 4:17 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Discerning between right and wrong is not "hate," unless you're
given to self-serving epithets and propagandistic name-calling.
Try to be fair about this, at least - if voting for or supporting Proposition 8 is "hate" toward gays, then voting against it is "hate" toward heterosexuals.
The sniffy indignation behind "why do you care what I do in my bedroom?" is really laughable since gays has made it their agenda to CODIFY public approval for their private acts.
Try to be fair about this, at least - if voting for or supporting Proposition 8 is "hate" toward gays, then voting against it is "hate" toward heterosexuals.
The sniffy indignation behind "why do you care what I do in my bedroom?" is really laughable since gays has made it their agenda to CODIFY public approval for their private acts.
Plain & Simple | 4:19 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Jason: Your tone was hysterical; source please of how tithing funds were
used. You have none, but it sure is easy to make allegations isn't it?
Let me try one. Jason hates Mormons. That was easy to say as an allegation but
I have no source to back it up (except maybe your post).
Your comments on churches tax exempt statud convince of one thing. You are not a tax attorney.
"Our rights have been taken away from us." The amendment in California says, "Only marriage between a mand and a woman is valid or recoginized in California." Exactly what rights have you lost?
"The purpose of a supreme court is to protect the minority from the the tyranny of the majority." Wrong, the purpose of the courts are to see that justice is done, not legislate from the bench. Legislation is left for another branch of our government to do.
Your comments on churches tax exempt statud convince of one thing. You are not a tax attorney.
"Our rights have been taken away from us." The amendment in California says, "Only marriage between a mand and a woman is valid or recoginized in California." Exactly what rights have you lost?
"The purpose of a supreme court is to protect the minority from the the tyranny of the majority." Wrong, the purpose of the courts are to see that justice is done, not legislate from the bench. Legislation is left for another branch of our government to do.
It's none of your damn business | 4:20 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
GAY AND PROUD,
"I have to laugh at you heterosexuals...you spend so much time worrying about what we gays are doing in our bedrooms..."
We don't care what you do in your bedroom. I have never given it a second thought but this issue is not about what you do in your bedroom.
Instead this is about the right of the majority to define legal institutions so long as the majority allows everyone to access it regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation. That is the case here.
Gays aren't denied the right to marry a person of the opposite sex because they are gay while straight people are allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex because they are straight. Nor are gays denied the right to marry a straight person because they are gay. It would be a violation of due process to only allow gays to marry gays. A gay man can marry a gay woman or a straight woman and a straight man can marry a straight woman or a gay woman.
"I couldn't care less what you do in yours..."
It's none of your business what I do in my bedroom.
"I have to laugh at you heterosexuals...you spend so much time worrying about what we gays are doing in our bedrooms..."
We don't care what you do in your bedroom. I have never given it a second thought but this issue is not about what you do in your bedroom.
Instead this is about the right of the majority to define legal institutions so long as the majority allows everyone to access it regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation. That is the case here.
Gays aren't denied the right to marry a person of the opposite sex because they are gay while straight people are allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex because they are straight. Nor are gays denied the right to marry a straight person because they are gay. It would be a violation of due process to only allow gays to marry gays. A gay man can marry a gay woman or a straight woman and a straight man can marry a straight woman or a gay woman.
"I couldn't care less what you do in yours..."
It's none of your business what I do in my bedroom.
No means no! | 4:24 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Same sex marriage is not a constitutional right. Activist judges are to stick to
the constitution and that document is not supposed to evolve. The saddest part
of all this controversy is that this historic institution is being
"hammered" by those who want to change it and won't take
"no" for an answer. Activist judges chose to make this a divisive one
when then told the people that their vote didn't matter and in essence that
they were too stupid to understand the issue and the constitution.
By the way, "no" only has value for some groups if they're the ones saying it!
Prop 8 was right and it protects children from the agenda of those who want everything they live to be given public sanction. The people of California have spoken twice and all faiths and races have been the voice of their belief. If some don't like it, maybe they need to understand that voters see the long range social and moral implications of their demands and are willing to stand for what they know.
By the way, "no" only has value for some groups if they're the ones saying it!
Prop 8 was right and it protects children from the agenda of those who want everything they live to be given public sanction. The people of California have spoken twice and all faiths and races have been the voice of their belief. If some don't like it, maybe they need to understand that voters see the long range social and moral implications of their demands and are willing to stand for what they know.
Plain & Simple | 4:26 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Ken from Galt: Your source please that the majority of the money came from
members of the LDS church. Another wild accusation with no evidence.
Did anyone ask the blacks? | 4:27 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Did anyone ask the black community why so many who went and voted Obama voted
yes on Prop 8? I did. I teach in an Urban school of 600. 49% are black- 43%
Hispanic- whites and other groups are the minority. I asked the parents of some
of my students who supported Prop8. Here is what they said. I was amazed. They
said-The gay community comes in to our neighborhoods looking for young guys to
take to the clubs and use them until they are older. They dump them back into
our neighborhoods when they no longer care about these older boys. They treat
them like used garbage. Too many black women are raising children on their own
or their momma's raising them. The gays do nothing to help the community.
They don't go to their churches, their places of entertainment and they
certainly don't live among the blacks. Black women are particulary angry
at gays as man/daddy robbers. Black students are very cruel to gays and it
requires a lot of work to protect the gay students at my school from the blacks
who persecute them. These are some of the reasons for the vote.
John T | 4:27 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I am glad Californias spoke out. Gays live with it. They dont want you there.
Great!
Patty | 4:27 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Mormons:
Be aware that the whole country has had enough of your nonsense. Once you would have been able to get away with bankrolling regressive legislation without people understanding that your church was behind it. I even knew people a little while ago who did not understand what Mitt Romney was up to, so I set them straight. And crybaby Gordon can go back to packing peas.
A pox on all of you and your phony way of life.
Be aware that the whole country has had enough of your nonsense. Once you would have been able to get away with bankrolling regressive legislation without people understanding that your church was behind it. I even knew people a little while ago who did not understand what Mitt Romney was up to, so I set them straight. And crybaby Gordon can go back to packing peas.
A pox on all of you and your phony way of life.
curious | 4:29 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To the minority of Mormons who did not support prop 8- how were you able to vote
against it while the church was using millions of your own tithing money to get
it passed?? I don't get it.
Sarah | 4:31 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I love how so many homosexuals call the rest of us "breeders", like
pointing out that heterosexuals have the ability to have children of their own
is supposed to be an insult or something. All it really does is show spite and
jealousy. It doesn't hurt anybody, it makes us roll our eyes.
Mark Hales | 4:32 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
As, to be hated, needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.[26]
And let me add an additional verse.
Once embraced we protect it by law,
And reinforce our freedom�s fatal flaw-
That the evil can change the legal decree,
To protect that which is of depravity.
As, to be hated, needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.[26]
And let me add an additional verse.
Once embraced we protect it by law,
And reinforce our freedom�s fatal flaw-
That the evil can change the legal decree,
To protect that which is of depravity.
They want to change the law | 4:32 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Tru,
"The LDS church isn't the only church that spent millions of $s."
The Church didn't spend millions of dollars. It only made an in-kind donation of $2,078.97 to pay for the travel of Church leaders to a meeting in California. On the other hand the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops made direct donations of $200,000.
Please don't help these liars spread falsehoods by accepting their lies as truth and posting based on that assumption.
"You have equated Sexual Preference with natural rights. Race & gender are things over which people have no control. Sexual activity is. To bunch them together is a mistake. Sexual activity outside of marriage is a moral issue, which is why the church is involved."
Equal protection and due process under the law requires that the government not deny a person people marriage based on their race, gender or sexual orientation as the law is defined.
The law states that one man and one woman can marry so we do not discriminate based on gender. Nor do we discriminate based on race or sexual orientation.
We can't prohibit blacks, gays or women who are 30 from serving as U.S. Senators if they meet requirements.
"The LDS church isn't the only church that spent millions of $s."
The Church didn't spend millions of dollars. It only made an in-kind donation of $2,078.97 to pay for the travel of Church leaders to a meeting in California. On the other hand the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops made direct donations of $200,000.
Please don't help these liars spread falsehoods by accepting their lies as truth and posting based on that assumption.
"You have equated Sexual Preference with natural rights. Race & gender are things over which people have no control. Sexual activity is. To bunch them together is a mistake. Sexual activity outside of marriage is a moral issue, which is why the church is involved."
Equal protection and due process under the law requires that the government not deny a person people marriage based on their race, gender or sexual orientation as the law is defined.
The law states that one man and one woman can marry so we do not discriminate based on gender. Nor do we discriminate based on race or sexual orientation.
We can't prohibit blacks, gays or women who are 30 from serving as U.S. Senators if they meet requirements.
I am I am | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Back when the government originally told the mormons they couldn't perform
polygamy because it would ruin the sanctity of marriage they had all these
reasons why it was okay. Now it seems they are on the other side of the fence
tell ing somebody else they shouldn't have certain rights because it would
ruin the sanctity of marriage.
mormons, you need to stop thinking you are on top of the world and the only ones with knowledge or a plan. until you realize we are all the same you will be stuck.
mormons, you need to stop thinking you are on top of the world and the only ones with knowledge or a plan. until you realize we are all the same you will be stuck.
Paul Thomson | 4:34 p.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Proposition 8 passed not just as a result of Mormon voters, nonetheless these
gays are within their rights to protest peacefully, just as we were within our
rights to vote yes on proposition 8. I hope that people will stay vigilant and
protect marriage and protest to keep marriage a union between one man and one
woman , in places were this definition has been eroded. In general society was
built on marriage between one man and one woman, I hope that it can stay this
way, supporters of proposition 8 must not become complacent to attempts from gay
activists in the future.
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