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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Kat | 10:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I will never understand how gays getting married effects me or anyone elses
marriage. Not everyone has the same religious beliefs and it is truly appalling
to force thos beliefs on others. Gays aren't asking for anything more than
what other Ameericans have...equal rights. I don't care what screwball
church supported this measure. It's hateful, mean and unamerican. Jesus
is shaking his head in shame at his follwers who hide behind him as they spread
intollerance and hate.
tired of it all | 10:40 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I read a lot of these comments. It all boils down to what the people voted for.
The state of Massachuesettes voted to have gay marriage. It is known fact that
it has caused charities to close their doors. It is fact that being gay is
being taught as "NORMAL" in public schools. The LDS church did its
research and has not told even ONE lie. NO, we told the truth, The truth
always hurts those who don't want to hear it.
Lutheran from California | 10:43 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Speaking as a Lutheran from California, the question I have is, How come the
Mormons are the ones standing up for marriage and family? Where's my
Church on this?
Every Lutheran I know supported Prop 8 but my Church was silent.
We main stream Protestants need to get with the program.
Every Lutheran I know supported Prop 8 but my Church was silent.
We main stream Protestants need to get with the program.
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Anon | 10:43 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The right to worship freely and the right to speak our beliefs freely are so
important that our Founding Fathers gave us the First Amendment.
The free-speech war is lost. Hate-speech, hate-crimes, and anti-discrimination laws now punish men for their words. "Oppressing," "intimidating," or causing "emotional distress" to - in other words, criticizing - members of a legally protected group in the exercise of their rights is a criminal act under hate-crimes laws.
Our God asks us to teach repentance and obedience to His commandments. Due to Proposition 8, we can now avoid falling afoul of hate-crimes laws in teaching God�s law of sexual morality by teaching that sex outside of marriage is sin; we no longer have need to directly criticize homosexual practices.
It will not stay this way. The US Supreme Court, in Lawrence V. Texas, demonstrated that it is willing to look to foreign legal precedence, in opposition to the Constitution, American legal precedence, and culture, to ensure the politically correct results - against Christianity. The American experiment in religious liberty ends when the Supremes rule against us.
Thank-you, California, for Proposition 8. Our persecutors must once again act illegally to attack us.
The free-speech war is lost. Hate-speech, hate-crimes, and anti-discrimination laws now punish men for their words. "Oppressing," "intimidating," or causing "emotional distress" to - in other words, criticizing - members of a legally protected group in the exercise of their rights is a criminal act under hate-crimes laws.
Our God asks us to teach repentance and obedience to His commandments. Due to Proposition 8, we can now avoid falling afoul of hate-crimes laws in teaching God�s law of sexual morality by teaching that sex outside of marriage is sin; we no longer have need to directly criticize homosexual practices.
It will not stay this way. The US Supreme Court, in Lawrence V. Texas, demonstrated that it is willing to look to foreign legal precedence, in opposition to the Constitution, American legal precedence, and culture, to ensure the politically correct results - against Christianity. The American experiment in religious liberty ends when the Supremes rule against us.
Thank-you, California, for Proposition 8. Our persecutors must once again act illegally to attack us.
gays | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
seriously, you all need some intense psychotherapy.
Anonymous | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
It's comical that Mormons are out front defining marriage when just a few
yearS ago Mormons were defining marriage as one man and anywhere from one to a
few dozen women. Why do Mormons think they are such moral highbrows that they
should be out telling everyone else how they need to live. I was a fifth
generqtion MORMON BUT JUST BECAME DISILLUSIONED WITH THE WAY mORMONS HAVE TO
ALWAYS BE TELLING EVERYONE ELSE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. lIVE AND LET OTHERS
LIVE..
tired of it all | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
We don't want our society turning into another Sodom and Gamorrah. Yes,
they were destroyed because they were "GAY".
Hello, God will not bend to your whims.
Hello, God will not bend to your whims.
tap9 | 10:48 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The Opponents of 8 only care about their rights and could care less about mine.
What about the rights I have as a parent and the rights of children who
don't want this leftist agenda continually forced down our throats?
I'm sick of it.
I stood out on corners holding signs in CA and you wouldn't believe the profane, vulgar, obscene actions of these people. I've never been flipped off so many times in my life.
There is truly hate in their words and actions and they will stop at nothing to get their way including perpetuating lies during the campaign and slandering the church. There is little to no civility or respect on the No on 8 side.
Shame on them!
I stood out on corners holding signs in CA and you wouldn't believe the profane, vulgar, obscene actions of these people. I've never been flipped off so many times in my life.
There is truly hate in their words and actions and they will stop at nothing to get their way including perpetuating lies during the campaign and slandering the church. There is little to no civility or respect on the No on 8 side.
Shame on them!
dirkk | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Could it be that many of these protesters are ex-LDS, which creates a particular
animosity? Many leave the church, but can't leave it alone.
Anonymous | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Philip C. Smith,
The University of Hawaii is not a real university, least of all for sociology.
The University of Hawaii is not a real university, least of all for sociology.
To Tired of the LDS Church | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To Tired of the LDS Church:
Why does the gay community try to impose their morals on others? Obviously gays feel it's important that it's their duty to make everyone think like they do. Why else would they have such an active protest program. If you don't believe in majority rules, then don't accept the results and whine until judges rule in your favor. Otherwise, why don't you just live your life how you want and allow others to do the same. We would all live happier and longer if we lived by that motto.
Why does the gay community try to impose their morals on others? Obviously gays feel it's important that it's their duty to make everyone think like they do. Why else would they have such an active protest program. If you don't believe in majority rules, then don't accept the results and whine until judges rule in your favor. Otherwise, why don't you just live your life how you want and allow others to do the same. We would all live happier and longer if we lived by that motto.
hmmm | 10:54 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I find it interesting that so many commenters who pre-election were declaring
how much time and effort they were expending to pass Prop8 are now backpedaling
and soft-selling how effective they were. They're busy, busy, busy sharing
the "credit" with everyone else who voted with them. What happened to
the "leading the charge" attitude that existed pre-election? Why are
you high-tailing it to the hinterlands now?
Are you uncomfortable with your success and what it means for so many of your loved ones and their inability to now create legally recognized family units the way you and the rest of their relatives and friends have?
Does the victory seem a little hollow to know you've broken many hearts that are yearning for a modicum of recognition for their committed partnerships?
Maybe in the cold light of the day after it doesn't feel so much like loving your neighbor as yourself.
Are you uncomfortable with your success and what it means for so many of your loved ones and their inability to now create legally recognized family units the way you and the rest of their relatives and friends have?
Does the victory seem a little hollow to know you've broken many hearts that are yearning for a modicum of recognition for their committed partnerships?
Maybe in the cold light of the day after it doesn't feel so much like loving your neighbor as yourself.
PhoenixAdam | 10:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
We are not seeking special rights, civil unions, or domestic partnerships. You
cannot vote discriminatory language into the constitution. We will have Equal
Rights. We will Marriage. We will fight! You have hate. lies, and neo-cons.
"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere" ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere" ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Bryan in VA | 10:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The LDS church is nowhere near being "terrible as an army with
banners" that it will be someday. With the LDS being about 1.8% of
California's population the gay marriage crowd needs to look for its
villian elsewhere - like in about 5,000,000 California residences.
Darin to Phillip Smith, Ph. D | 10:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
With all due respect, Phillip, with a Ph. D. from Stanford you should know what
a rational argument is. No amount of wishful thinking will mean that every child
will be raised in a household headed by both a mother and a father. And what has
this got to do with gay marriage anyway? No amount of wishful thinking will
result in the end of homosexuality. You, apparently, don't deny that gays
exist, so what about this fact? Banning gay marriage guarantees a mom and a dad
for every kid? Give me a break. If you truly want to help children, let's
focus on social programs, social support to struggling families, etc. Who
wouldn't be for it? Finally, some of those children are and will be gay,
and for their sakes I do hope we will be able to truly love and help them - and
I'm sorry, but "Yes, we love you, dear child, but there is something
wrong with you" is neither a loving nor helpful attitude. Your
"it's-for-the kids" argument is just one of the several shams
that duped people into Prop 8.
family mom | 10:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I vote for less government. If the HGBLT people want a union, let them invent
their own ceremony. Call it g-arriage, b-arriage, t-arriage, h-arriage, or
L-arriage. Let them choose the name. Everyone knows there will be people at the
edge who will want more, and will keep pressing for legislation, and thus, more
government control over the family.
A democracy works best when the majority of the people want what is right and good, leaving government out of their private lives. When they don't, civilizations crumble. This is a slippery slope that may lead to family rights belonging to the government. YES for Prop 8 protects family freedom, and strengthens moral agency.
Because of the freedoms we enjoy, anyone can live with anything and be happy or sad, their choice. But what happens when the people turn over to the government all power and control over the family? What government controls it can also eliminate.
Marriage, where it began, has Adam and Eve married by God and commanded to "be one" and multiply. Family is flesh and blood. Life is about preserving the next generation. What will HGBLT do to ours? Lets be tolerant while preserving the family.
A democracy works best when the majority of the people want what is right and good, leaving government out of their private lives. When they don't, civilizations crumble. This is a slippery slope that may lead to family rights belonging to the government. YES for Prop 8 protects family freedom, and strengthens moral agency.
Because of the freedoms we enjoy, anyone can live with anything and be happy or sad, their choice. But what happens when the people turn over to the government all power and control over the family? What government controls it can also eliminate.
Marriage, where it began, has Adam and Eve married by God and commanded to "be one" and multiply. Family is flesh and blood. Life is about preserving the next generation. What will HGBLT do to ours? Lets be tolerant while preserving the family.
Boyd Henderson | 10:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Just because a couple cannot reproduce is no reason to condemn them as immoral,
inferior, or otherwise inappropriate for �true
marriage�.
God said, �It is not good for man to be alone.� THAT �commandment� was given even before the commandment to �multiply and replenish the earth�.
Marriage is about companionship � �it is not good for man to be alone� � prior to anything else. Couples are first and foremost couples, not parents or prospective parents!
Same-sex marriage fulfills this first and primary �commandment� of God: to NOT be alone. That is all the value to society marriage needs to provide. That alone deserves protection as a fundamental civil right for ALL individuals.
Thus sayeth God: Man was not meant to be alone. Marriage is divinely ordained to answer this eternal principle of human existence, for man to not be alone.
Condemning a fellow child of God to being alone by outlawing their right to overcome fundamental loneliness through marriage, and assigning them a status as second-class citizens because they don�t overcome loneliness in the same way YOU do is fundamentally inhumane and contrary to the will of God!
God said, �It is not good for man to be alone.� THAT �commandment� was given even before the commandment to �multiply and replenish the earth�.
Marriage is about companionship � �it is not good for man to be alone� � prior to anything else. Couples are first and foremost couples, not parents or prospective parents!
Same-sex marriage fulfills this first and primary �commandment� of God: to NOT be alone. That is all the value to society marriage needs to provide. That alone deserves protection as a fundamental civil right for ALL individuals.
Thus sayeth God: Man was not meant to be alone. Marriage is divinely ordained to answer this eternal principle of human existence, for man to not be alone.
Condemning a fellow child of God to being alone by outlawing their right to overcome fundamental loneliness through marriage, and assigning them a status as second-class citizens because they don�t overcome loneliness in the same way YOU do is fundamentally inhumane and contrary to the will of God!
Henry Drummond | 11:00 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Well Dr. Smith, what else are you prepared to do to make sure children are
raised only in the best homes? Who else are you going to make ineligible for
marriage? Maybe only higher income groups should be allowed to marry and raise
children - there is certainly ample science to support that notion. What happens
if a study shows that children who come from smaller families are better off
than children from the large families my Mormon friends seem to prefer? Are you
going to ban them as well.
This isn't about sociology - it is about human rights.
This isn't about sociology - it is about human rights.
Too Bad | 11:00 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
In the beginning God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Go America | 11:01 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
We have no common ground on this issue.
Gays believe that it's all about love and acceptance and that they should be able to marry each other. That it does not hurt anyone or infringe on anybody else's rights.
Mormons believe that it is all about an assault on families and a continued deterioration of our society. That it is about trying to normalize abnormal behavior. That it is about legitimizing actions that are contrary to the commandments of God.
I hear the Gays shouting ME ME ME!! NOW NOW NOW!!
Mormons have a much bigger, less selfish vision of how this could effect the whole.
Gays believe that it's all about love and acceptance and that they should be able to marry each other. That it does not hurt anyone or infringe on anybody else's rights.
Mormons believe that it is all about an assault on families and a continued deterioration of our society. That it is about trying to normalize abnormal behavior. That it is about legitimizing actions that are contrary to the commandments of God.
I hear the Gays shouting ME ME ME!! NOW NOW NOW!!
Mormons have a much bigger, less selfish vision of how this could effect the whole.
Portabello | 11:02 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Have pity on these handicapped/disabled people who are homosexuals. Not only
sexually handicapped but also mentally.
The people have spoken NO TO GAY MARRAIGES
The people have spoken NO TO GAY MARRAIGES
Joseph Corcoran | 11:03 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The prevailing idea that homosexuality is a choice, rather than an inborn aspect
of one's nature, appears to be the deciding factor in the intolerant
attitudes of most who have posted here. If you asked yourself for a moment why,
exactly, anyone would choose to be an object of general disgust, derision, and
discrimination, you might come to understand the preposterousness of such a
proposition. Although I am now very well-adjusted to my own sexuality, please
believe that, as a young Mormon growing up, I would have given anything to be
spared such a fate. You might as well ask someone to change the color of their
skin as ask them to change their nature in this regard. Those who believe
sexuality to be a "lifestyle choice" are simply ignorant of the facts.
Scientific research increasingly supports the genetic causes of human
sexuality. Besides, what difference could it possibly make to grant a tiny,
harmless minority the basic civil rights which they desire to possess. We, too,
pay a third of our incomes to the government in the form of taxes, and deserve
equality under the law.
Scott in Vegas | 11:04 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I agree with the Mormons. A holy union between a man and a woman is called
marriage. Sam-sex unions?...gotta be named something else. It ain't the
same, who can argue?
God's Will | 11:04 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
God has created many species of life that procreate asexually. It is human
arrogance and foolishness to think that God could not have created mankind as a
species that procreates asexually.
God also created mankind as a technology developing species. "If man were meant to fly, God would have given him wings!" So we invent airplanes and space flight.
"If God had meant for man to reproduce in any other way than with one man and one woman, he would have created us androgynous." So we invent artificial insemination, maternal and paternal surrogacy, sperm banks, cloning, and even adoption.
The reproductive argument against same-sex marriage is mute. It goes nowhere in supporting the idea that same-sex couples should not be able to marry, and goes a LONG way in showing how foolish, retrograde, backwards, and uninformed are the supporters of Proposition 8.
God also created mankind as a technology developing species. "If man were meant to fly, God would have given him wings!" So we invent airplanes and space flight.
"If God had meant for man to reproduce in any other way than with one man and one woman, he would have created us androgynous." So we invent artificial insemination, maternal and paternal surrogacy, sperm banks, cloning, and even adoption.
The reproductive argument against same-sex marriage is mute. It goes nowhere in supporting the idea that same-sex couples should not be able to marry, and goes a LONG way in showing how foolish, retrograde, backwards, and uninformed are the supporters of Proposition 8.
Canadiandy | 11:08 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Wow!
Rocky Anderson as the poster boy for greater love, better understanding, dignity and respect toward all?
This one had me chuckling.
Rocky Anderson as the poster boy for greater love, better understanding, dignity and respect toward all?
This one had me chuckling.
Anonymous | 11:09 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
if the lds church and its members wants to step into the civil rights debate,
expect a response. it's that simple. and if the catholic church wants to
try to weigh in on it too (especially with all the skeletons in ITS closet like
looking the other way while priests molest children), expect a response. as to
calling these protesters bigots-- the worlds pot & kettle come to mind....
bawahahah!!! :o) | 11:11 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Thank you, thank you, thank you! "Arc" you just made my day with the
best belly laugh I've had in a long time. Ohmygoodness, I still have tears
streaming down my face.
To Laura and Plain & Simple, could you folks please post a few more comments?
lol
To Laura and Plain & Simple, could you folks please post a few more comments?
lol
Last I checked | 11:12 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Prop 8 passed with 52% of the votes. Mormons make up about 2% of the population
in CA. A lot of people voted to keep marriage between a man and a woman not
just the Mormons.
Anonymous | 11:12 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Yeah, exactly...talk about rights, (as a non-mormon) they have rights to their
opinion as well. Mormons are of the minority too. Gays asre complaining about
being discrimintated against, while they are discriminating against another
minority. Hypocrites! I read somewhere that Mormons only make up 2% of CA
population, yet it passed by 52%. Why aren't they ranting and raving to
the other 50% too? Hmmm, talk about think before you speak?!
Terrific! | 11:19 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Gays- whatever you do, don't leave that 2 block radius. I'll be there
as soon as I can. Question: do you know which Salt Lake County store has the
cheapest eggs and water balloons?
Tyler | 11:19 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
For those of you who say gays aren't respecting democracy, you should go
back to school. You debase the judicial process as activism. That's part of
democracy too. And that fact that you have to change constitutions designed to
protect minorities shows that you have no respect for the established law since
you have to rush to change it in order to get what you want.
And for those who claim that prop 8 defends "traditional" marriage obviously don't realize that one man one woman was a break from thousands of years of polygamist marriages.
and as soon as a group gets involved in politics, they are subject to political protests. Deal with it.
Maybe freedom of religion should be voted away next since fundamental rights are up for vote.
And for those who claim that prop 8 defends "traditional" marriage obviously don't realize that one man one woman was a break from thousands of years of polygamist marriages.
and as soon as a group gets involved in politics, they are subject to political protests. Deal with it.
Maybe freedom of religion should be voted away next since fundamental rights are up for vote.
Mark | 11:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I cannot believe how many hateful homosexuals there are. If LDS is replaced with
African American or any other group who supported Prop 8, the populace would see
these people for the H8full people that they are. Shame on the LGBT community.
If you want respect, you need to respect the rule of law an the voice of the
people. Remember everybody has the right to marry. Men can marry women, and
women can marry men. No one has taken away your right to marry, nor taken away
your right to your freedom of expression. If the gay community needs marriage to
feel good about themselves then maybe they need to take a look at their
behavior. I believe that they are born gay, but I also believe that they choose
to live a gay lifestyle. Life is all about the choices we make. If you
don't like the consequences of your choices then make different choices.
Anonymous | 11:25 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If you wanted to protect marriage you'd ban divorce. A religion that
divorces people can't really say they stand for the sanctity of marriage.
SoCalGal | 11:26 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Why is it that when radical liberals propositions or votes don't go their
way they protest and cry and scream or even worse threaten to burn down
churches/temples and kill people? I thought the gay movement people were
tolerant and non-violent. WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!
James | 11:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Of coarse the church is against it.
Anonymous | 11:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
For those of you who say you're doing it for the children: I hope you
realize that when you're children are grown how shameful your behavior will
look. Out of fear of anyone different from you try to change laws so that your
way of life is enforced. Your theology on agency and free choice is conveniently
ignored. Your children will grow up in society where people are valued for who
they are, try to fight it all you like but equality, justice and liberty will
surely prevail
Unbelieveable | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Be thankful that you are allowed to protest because in some countries of this
world you would be executed for the behavior you take part in. Thank goodness
for the stars and stripes.
Pro Polygamist | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I love two women. They both love me. We want a long lasting relationship that
will be good for all of us. Yet you pass a law keeping us apart. Why? Do you
hate us? We are not hurting society being together � we
should be able to marry. We were one time able do until society passed a law
that says we can�t. Why do you in your hate take away our
rights.
Wait sorry, this in not the cause you're fighting for.
Wait sorry, this in not the cause you're fighting for.
Anonymous | 11:34 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
People on this board sound like they're from Iran - wanting religion to be
the laws of the day. The US Constitution was designed to stop such things. If
you want to leave in a theocracy move somewhere else. America is the land of the
free, which includes freedoms for minorities too. I don't attack your
freedom of religion, you shouldn't attack my freedom to the civil rights
given to married couples. I could care less what you believe, or what your bible
says. Our country wasn't designed to enforce the bible.
oregon outsider | 11:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
the comments are very entertaining. I appreciate the quote from John Adams,
"our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people."
Very informative if you think about it.
I also think it's funny that people are talking about boycotting Utah. I believe there will be more people who travel to Utah because of their support for prop 8 than will boycott it. I for one am planning a vacation their this year in my support of prop 8.
Finally, all those that say this vote will be overturned. Well, if it is, it still doesn't make it right. However, we will still abide by the laws. We will also homeschool our children and still teach our children that the gay lifestyle is not following God's plan. That even if you are born with gay tendencies you still have a choice to follow them or not. I choose to stay faithful to my wife even though I am born with a desire to procreate with all women. And lastly, I agree with the sociologist. I think, based on studies, the gay agenda is a very selfish agenda, not doing what's best for the children.
I also think it's funny that people are talking about boycotting Utah. I believe there will be more people who travel to Utah because of their support for prop 8 than will boycott it. I for one am planning a vacation their this year in my support of prop 8.
Finally, all those that say this vote will be overturned. Well, if it is, it still doesn't make it right. However, we will still abide by the laws. We will also homeschool our children and still teach our children that the gay lifestyle is not following God's plan. That even if you are born with gay tendencies you still have a choice to follow them or not. I choose to stay faithful to my wife even though I am born with a desire to procreate with all women. And lastly, I agree with the sociologist. I think, based on studies, the gay agenda is a very selfish agenda, not doing what's best for the children.
Anonymous | 11:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As a gay man, I know Jesus loves me. He loves my boyfriend too. Anyone who tries
to use religion as justification for bringing hardship to others has never read
any of Jesus's teachings in the new testament. I am a child of God, and He
will give me justice from my oppressors.
Mark | 11:39 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
They are singling Mormons out because they are the easy target. Mormons are a
tiny minority of the people that voted for prop 8 in California yet they are
being singled out. That's about like singling out the gays for getting
Obama elected.
Anonymous | 11:42 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
You can say we're hateful for defending our rights, but that's easy
for you to say when you take all your civil liberties for granted
wayne | 11:44 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
the real issue here is should the california supream court had given special
protection to homosexual individuals, those protections that current law grants
to miorities especially blacks, women, and the handicapted for what can best be
called a behavior?
the court ruling flys in the face of justis. homosexuals were given every right granted heterosexual couple by means of civil unions. the gay community has not lost a singel right.
but if the court decision had stood and prop 8 had not passes. I and those in the heterosexual community would have perminately lost rights. those right include: having religious and moral issues desided in a court of law with out juditial bias. the right to free association. the right to be free from harrasment due to my moral and religious beliefs. seperation of church form the state.
a protest like the ones that happend by LDS buildings are enough to tell that the gay right crowd are willing to push there agenda on anyone. and do not care whoes right they trample on.
again what right have my homosexual brothers and sisters lost? juditial bises of the court that should not have been granted them in the first place?
the court ruling flys in the face of justis. homosexuals were given every right granted heterosexual couple by means of civil unions. the gay community has not lost a singel right.
but if the court decision had stood and prop 8 had not passes. I and those in the heterosexual community would have perminately lost rights. those right include: having religious and moral issues desided in a court of law with out juditial bias. the right to free association. the right to be free from harrasment due to my moral and religious beliefs. seperation of church form the state.
a protest like the ones that happend by LDS buildings are enough to tell that the gay right crowd are willing to push there agenda on anyone. and do not care whoes right they trample on.
again what right have my homosexual brothers and sisters lost? juditial bises of the court that should not have been granted them in the first place?
The bartering continues | 11:44 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
...and if you can find 10 righteous souls I will spare the city.
family mom | 11:46 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If we want to wear our sexual orientation on our sleeve I choose
"Marriage" for mine. They don't get it.
A person can be of any sexual orientation and not choose to be married. Heterosexuals can be just as immoral as Homosexuals, Transsexuals, Lesbians, Bisexuals.
Marriage to me means I (a woman) have chosen to be married to a man, and commit to only him in my sexual relationship. It also means I have chosen to have children, our own flesh and blood.
If a Homosexual, Transsexual, Lesbian, or Bisexual wants that same kind of commitment, let them have it, but DON'T WEAR MY LABEL. It must be called something different, like H-arriage, T-arriage, B-arriage, L-arriage.
They want to wear my label, but I'm not willing to give it up. I wear it with a capital "M".
A person can be of any sexual orientation and not choose to be married. Heterosexuals can be just as immoral as Homosexuals, Transsexuals, Lesbians, Bisexuals.
Marriage to me means I (a woman) have chosen to be married to a man, and commit to only him in my sexual relationship. It also means I have chosen to have children, our own flesh and blood.
If a Homosexual, Transsexual, Lesbian, or Bisexual wants that same kind of commitment, let them have it, but DON'T WEAR MY LABEL. It must be called something different, like H-arriage, T-arriage, B-arriage, L-arriage.
They want to wear my label, but I'm not willing to give it up. I wear it with a capital "M".
to Financial view | 11:46 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Are you kidding? Two adults in a same-gender union will contribute more in
taxes even with the break than ANY typical Utah family that not only
doesn't pay in due to tax breaks, but more often than not collects a bonus.
50% of Utah families pay 0 income tax...just about what the no offspring of
same-gender unions won't pay.
Svoboda | 11:48 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Marriage is with a man and woman. Period.
For those who disagee, your time would be better spent trying to reinvent something else. Here are my suggestions for you to reinvent:
1)the sunrise being in the West and not the East
2)make the sky green and the grass blue
3)give fish legs
4)bring back the dinosaurs
5) make ducks honk and geese peep
The list is endless
For those who disagee, your time would be better spent trying to reinvent something else. Here are my suggestions for you to reinvent:
1)the sunrise being in the West and not the East
2)make the sky green and the grass blue
3)give fish legs
4)bring back the dinosaurs
5) make ducks honk and geese peep
The list is endless
harrasment | 11:50 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
so basically because they did not get the sanction of the government to practice
immorality, they are going to harrass those who stand in their way. Make no
mistake...these people want to destroy religion...and all it stands for.
LDS in CA | 11:53 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I don't mean to be mean or cause a fight. I am serious here. All of you
anti prop 8 people do not need to worry about all of this. I think Obama will
somehow fix things so that it is leagle in all states. So just be patient.
Also, in the meantime, why don't you just move to a state where gay
marriage is leagle?
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