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Published: Saturday, Nov. 8 2008 2:12 a.m. MST

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Yes on 8 in Cali

Where are they going next? To Oakland and Watts to protest the Black communities for voting Yes on 8? To the Vatican to protest the Catholics? Give me a break! These people play the victim really well, but they are vicious. They don't hesitate to use violence, flip their middle finger, cuss at you, and threaten to burn your churches down if one doesn't accept their despicable life style.

ah, no

That's not "standing up for yourselves," that's singling out on church to spew hatred at, in a spoiled brat attitude about not having enough votes on "your" side. Very sore losers, very bad behavior. How can they expect to be taken seriously when they are so nasty to people?????

disgusted...

WHERE ARE THE CATHOLICS, EVANGELICALS, AND OTHER "CHRISTIANS" WHO SHARE OUR MORALS AND BELIEFS WHEN IT COMES TO MARRIAGE AND FAMILIES???
oh, that's right, hiding in a hole because it isn't POPULAR right now to stand up for what you believe in...
And THEY doubt WE are christians!!!

If I Only Had a Brain

You Mormons remind me of Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, clicking her shoes together and repeating ad nauseum "I want to go home." Your "prophet" is just the same as the Wizard too, now that I think of it.

re: ashamed to be a mormon

I understand where you are coming from, but you must realize that if gay marriage becomes legal and recognized by the state, then anyone who does not believe in or accepts gay marriage will therefore be punished. The main reasons why the Church fought for this was to protect the religious freedoms of those who do not believe in gay marriage. The Church has stated that they support the rights of gay couples. Gay couples should get all of the legal rights that straight couples receive. But what this essentially comes down to is that the liberal gay community wants to have their practices accepted by everyone, and this is not going to happen. So, long live democracy and the power of the vote!!

To Love thy Neighbor | 5:48

I guess the comedy of your judgmental rant against judgmentalism is lost on you.

But it is funny to the rest of us.

victory

What an amazing victory for the good of society!! I can't believe that they are trying to compare this to the social rights movement of the 1960s and 1970s. Being gay is not the same as being a woman or being African American. One must choose to be gay (contrary to what any liberal gay person would tell you.) It is the same as someone who must choose to be an alcoholic, or a drug user, or a smoker. Just because you have the temptation to be gay doesn't mean that you have to act out on those temptations.

The statistic that 40 states have bans on gay marriage now was very encouraging. FAMILY VALUES!!!

RM

I once attended an open house before a temple dedication on a very cold, blustry day. There were protestors marching outside carrying signs and handing out literature. A recent convert took several cups of hot chocolate and gave it to the protestors because he felt sorry for them that it was so cold and miserable outside. I thought what a act of christian charity! He didn't argue with them or debate them, just gave them hot chocolate.

You demonstrate true ignorance

Which Church,

"Your own doctrine speaks out against what your church is doing."

It's no wonder you think marriage is a civil right if you read the Constitution the same way you read this scripture. It doesn't say what you want it to say. Here's why:

This scripture states that it is unjust to "mingle religious influence" with "civil government" where "one religious society is fostered" and another is "proscribed in its SPIRITUAL PRIVILEGES."

Separate from that is: "and the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS of its members, as citizens, denied." Marriage is not a right since rights can't be granted or taken away by Government and marriage was granted by government.

Freedom of speech, religion, and right to peacefully assemble were not granted by the government but are "enumerated." These rights also are INDIVIDUAL and not collective. Your right to freedom of speech does not mean the government has to print or publish your opinions nor allow you to assemble in Congress.

Our religious opinions don't give us the right to

It saying "unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others" means individuals don't have the right to deny freedom of speech, religion, assembly, etc.

marcus0263

We do not believe it just to amingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
(Doctrine and Covenants 134:9)

Sad day for the Church to be so hypocritical

re: Derick

The LDS Church, and every other church for that matter, has every right to support, oppose, or fight for any proposed law that may inhibit the ability of its members to practice their religion. The LDS church never comes out for or against politicians. They only focus on the issues that will effect society, and when they see the need to fight for what is morally correct they do with all the boldness and tenacity that they can muster. And if you don't like it, too bad. It is their constitutional right to voice their opinion. It is also the constitutional right of those protesters to go down there and stomp around in the cold and voice their opinion. And it was the constitutional right for the majority of Californian voters to vote for and support the traditional form of marriage (for the 2nd time). I love America, because no where else could people voice their opinions so freely!!

Bodymek

Thank GOD you fled persecution in OH and KS so that you could come here and deny the rights of others. How DARE you!! It is NONE of your business who anyone marries but theirs. As long as those being married are two adults of sound mind you have no business whatsoever telling them what they may do. It is no more my right to tell you how you may practice your religion than it is for you to tell me who I can marry. This is coming from a straight man by the way. You preach acceptance. So accept. You say you don't judge others. This sounds a lot like a judgement to me. Pick a side and stop crossing the line. These marriages will hurt no one. When will you ever learn that the only one you have control over is you. No one else, and until you learn that all this world will have is strife. Just like you had in Ohio. Joseph Smith being murdered didn't stop your relion. Stopping gays from marrying won't stop the inevitable...so stop trying to fight it. It's against your religion to do so in the first place!

Jazz fan in SoCal

Why are only mormons being attacked. Could it be SATAN.

If you say so

"The LDS church is extremely tolerant and loving of homosexuals."

Which is easily seen by all of the gay rights now available in Utah..........

California Girl

I live in Orange County California. Plenty of non-mormons supported Prop 8. My Seventh Day Adventist, Methodist, Lutheran, Agnostic, Presbyterian, Baptist & Catholic friends supported this. This is about the People of California saying no to the crazy activist judges. Get Real!

To the tyrant who hates freedom

Aumacoma,

"Just a note to you that support Prop 8 from a religious perspective. In the United States of America we have a constitution that keeps government out of the business of churches and churches out of the business of government (except in Utah)."

The U.S. Constitution doesn't prevent a Church from participating in the making of laws that they have to obey and live under also. It prevents them from supporting or endorsing candidates yet we recognize that they have a say on our laws since they have to obey and live under them.

That's a basic principle of democracy and no idea whether religious, scientific or just plain stupid is excluded from the public discussion.

"Religious involvement in this matter is unconsitutional and unAmerican. This is a civil matter and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion."

Churches must obey the law but you forbid them to participate in the government of the U.S but your organizations can do so? That's tyranny!

"That would be a Theocracy not a Democracy that is America."

No, that would be if the Church was the government but they are members of this country and have equal rights with your organizations.

get a grip

If you want to see hate speech go to an gay website. They are full of hate speech towards the LDS church. Where is the ACLU when you need them?

Remember teachers unions contributed to No on 8, nearly a million dollars,these are the people who teach your kids.

When the courts take this back, not one dime of taxpayer money should be used to fund the homosexuals cause, this is your money. From the arguments here that would be the state fighting against religion and that is unconstitutional.

The gay movement wants to hijack one of the most sacred blessings a latter-day saint has, that of marriage, and redefine it with what many view as one of the most vial of all human behaviors of homosexual acts. No wonder the LDS are taking a stand. It is a position against the act not the person.

The track record is clear give the gay activists and inch and they will take a mile, don't open a hole in the wall.

Tolerance vs Acceptance

We will tolerate the gay community, tolerate their attacks against organized religions but we will not accept it.

U Made the Hysteria now Deal

Realy now? The church whipped up the hysteria. Now the chuch has to take some responsibility for this hysteria they caused.
So what is the next step? Perhaps an economic boycott is in order. SKI TAHOE!

Sad news for prop 8 supporters

It's not over folks. The ACLU and others contend that California's ballot cannot be used to undermine one group's access to rights enjoyed by other citizens.

They argue that initiatives that make "fundamental" changes to core principles of the state constitution must first be approved by the state Legislature, then sent to voters for passage.

Take off your party hats. It's too early to begin celebrating your victory for Proposition 8.

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