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Prop. 8 protest draws thousands in Salt Lake City
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Ehhh... | 4:22 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
You all need a good washing and annointing.
Lynn | 4:24 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Say what! Where did these people come up with the figure $20,000,000.00 from
the Mormons? Wow! That would be quite a feat, considering that we only have
13,000,000 members, world wide! I seriously doubt that most of us have that
kind of money, especially since a good share of the membership are children!!
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Anonymous | 4:49 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The church didn't win.
God did.
God did.
Anonymous | 5:26 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I have had three different people tell me that they went to Halloween parties
dressed as Mormon missionaries, thousands of miles from CA. The LDS
Church's efforts on behalf of Prop 8 has, rightly or wrongly, turned many
people off to the Church to the point of ridicule. I'm torn about all of
this.
Jason | 5:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
To all of you who say the LDS church had nothing to do with this you are all
liars! The church did donate tithing funds to this cause and everyone knows it.
A church who wants to keep their tax exempt status is supposed to never
influence anyone on any piece of legislation. The church has every right to
council members but when it councils on legislation it has crossed the line.
It's members are also citizens of this country and trying to influence them
on matters of civil issues is breaking the tax law pure and simple. You all tell
us to accept the will of the people. Bullcrap! Our rights have been taken away
from us. We pay our taxes and are still told to shut up you perverts and accept
your fate. NO WE WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Activist judges my foot! They are all
conservative/Republican judges appointed by Republican leaders. The purpose of a
supreme court is to protect the minority from the the tyranny of the majority.
The courts did their job. To even create a prop. like this is in itself tyranny
and will one day be punished! All of you have lost.
kidnephi | 5:41 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I live on the Ease Coast, but was raised in Utah. I am a life long member of The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I have seen many protests against
the Church come and go and "this to shall pass". It is sad that
people will not take the time to really investigate the "Mormon"
church and its doctrines. To much is relied on hearsay, innuendo, second hand
information, and other information from disgruntled ex-members. As has been
stated, the doctrine of the church will not change, marriage between same sex
individuals will not be santioned by the LDS Church.
Please read the "Family Proclamation" for the Church's STAND. These protesters would better serve the community by giving of their time and talents to serving others as Jesus Christ would do. As Jesus Christ told the adulterous woman, "go and sin no more". He did not condemn her.
Please read the "Family Proclamation" for the Church's STAND. These protesters would better serve the community by giving of their time and talents to serving others as Jesus Christ would do. As Jesus Christ told the adulterous woman, "go and sin no more". He did not condemn her.
kidnephi | 5:42 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
That is I live on the "East Coast".
Revoke tax exempt status | 6:05 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The IRS should begin investigations immediately to determine if the tax code has
been violated. If so, regardless of religious organization their tax exempt
status should be revoked.
IRS code:
"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."
IRS code:
"Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."
Adam & Eve | 6:06 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
One Man and one Woman that God broght to earth and replenish the earth and be
happy. Keep it that way.
heleninoz | 6:21 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
In reply to 'Overturn8'. "You are asking for equal rights".
You already have that. I marry a person of the opposite sex and you can marry a
person of the opposite sex. That's fair isn't it? Nothing unequal
about that!
Kermit | 6:29 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The LDS Church deserves the nation's gratutue for strongly opposing the
destruction of marriage. However let's not forget that MOST Americans
favor the only sane position on marriage. Did you notice that 70% of Black
voters in CA voted for Prop 8?
Molly Pritchard | 6:35 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
How wonderful to know the homosexuals will be boycotting Utah. Now if we can
just get them to boycott Virginia, we may have a chance to remain a red state.
Any suggestions?
Judges | 6:36 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Whether this specific issue or any other, any time a judge tries to create law
from the bench, the citizens should stand up against that ruling.
Jugdes do not make laws! That is for the legistlative branch.
When did the Rule of Law become so off base in this country?
Jugdes do not make laws! That is for the legistlative branch.
When did the Rule of Law become so off base in this country?
Voter | 6:44 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
All Mormons did in CA was vote and seek to persuade others to vote as they did.
This is exactly what anti-prop 8 groups did. There's no seperation of
church and state issue.
Incidentally, these "protesters" are targetting the LDS church because they can get away with it. What other religious group can be targeted like this without stirring a national media outcry?
These two fact tell us a great deal about anti-prop 8 groups.
Incidentally, these "protesters" are targetting the LDS church because they can get away with it. What other religious group can be targeted like this without stirring a national media outcry?
These two fact tell us a great deal about anti-prop 8 groups.
Tooele | 6:47 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Did they protest the Catholics or the Blacks or the Hispanics who voted
overwhelmingly for the amendment? Why not?
Doug | 6:48 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Life style choices should not be confused with Civil Rights. Many of us who are
white and were involved in the heat of the Civil Rights movement, for people of
different races, in the sixties understand this principle. A good number of us,
along with the vast majority of black and latino voters in California,
apparently understand.
There is certainly some underlying drive in this demonstrated passion of those who have chosen to forego the ability to create a family to adopt the traditonal family beginning title of married, but it is definetly not about a Civil Right. It is promoting a life style. When life style choices become the basis of Civil Rights the rights of civilized people will be at an end. We can all be thankful a majority of Californians saw through the convoluted "rights" arguments and hatred towards Proposition 8 supporters to vote for the sensible definition of marriage. Despite the loss gays still have the fundamental rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in this good country. The focus of their displeasure on one group of a coalition is frighteningly similar to a German Parties actions in the 30's.
There is certainly some underlying drive in this demonstrated passion of those who have chosen to forego the ability to create a family to adopt the traditonal family beginning title of married, but it is definetly not about a Civil Right. It is promoting a life style. When life style choices become the basis of Civil Rights the rights of civilized people will be at an end. We can all be thankful a majority of Californians saw through the convoluted "rights" arguments and hatred towards Proposition 8 supporters to vote for the sensible definition of marriage. Despite the loss gays still have the fundamental rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in this good country. The focus of their displeasure on one group of a coalition is frighteningly similar to a German Parties actions in the 30's.
stay focused | 6:50 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Said President Harold B. Lee:
�You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may conflict with your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life � Your safety and ours depends upon whether or not we follow � Let�s keep our eye on the President of the Church.� (Conference Report, October 1970, p. 152�153.)
But it is the living prophet who really upsets the world. �Even in the Church,� said President Kimball, �many are prone to garnish the sepulchres of yesterdays prophets and mentally stone the living ones.� (Instructor, 95:527.)
Why? Because the living prophet gets at what we need to know now, and the world prefers that prophets either be dead or worry about their own affairs. Some so-called experts of political science want the prophet to keep still on politics. Some would-be authorities on evolution want the prophet to keep still on evolution. And so the list goes on and on.
How we respond to the words of a living prophet when he tells us what we need to know, but would rather not hear, is a test of our faithfulness.
�You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may conflict with your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life � Your safety and ours depends upon whether or not we follow � Let�s keep our eye on the President of the Church.� (Conference Report, October 1970, p. 152�153.)
But it is the living prophet who really upsets the world. �Even in the Church,� said President Kimball, �many are prone to garnish the sepulchres of yesterdays prophets and mentally stone the living ones.� (Instructor, 95:527.)
Why? Because the living prophet gets at what we need to know now, and the world prefers that prophets either be dead or worry about their own affairs. Some so-called experts of political science want the prophet to keep still on politics. Some would-be authorities on evolution want the prophet to keep still on evolution. And so the list goes on and on.
How we respond to the words of a living prophet when he tells us what we need to know, but would rather not hear, is a test of our faithfulness.
Protest Bastian | 6:50 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
How about going and protesting Bruce Bastian who donated over $1 million against
the proposition? That was the biggest Utah monetary influence. Aren't all
you former Word Perfect employees pleased to see your hard work is being spent
on something so worthwhile?
Too Late | 6:51 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Why do this protest now? It would have been more strategic to do this back
when the LDS Church first started encouraging people to donate money. Now you
just look bitter.
Ken from Galt | 6:56 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Follow the money folks. Where did the majority of the money come from to
promote prop 8? The answer: members of the LDS church. Sure other churches and
their membership were supportive, but not to the same extent as the Mormons.
Dewaine M. Brown | 6:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Three comments:
#1. Free agency is a powerful needed element in life. How it is used determines our destiny.
#2.The fruit of this decade were the result of seeds sown in former decades.
#3. Taken to extremes, one man and one women in marriage create a continuation of the human species in its normal trend.
Taken to extreme, same sex unions would in time terminate the human species.
#1. Free agency is a powerful needed element in life. How it is used determines our destiny.
#2.The fruit of this decade were the result of seeds sown in former decades.
#3. Taken to extremes, one man and one women in marriage create a continuation of the human species in its normal trend.
Taken to extreme, same sex unions would in time terminate the human species.
Balthasar | 6:58 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Hey what's all the fuss about? Oh yeah, gay-"rights" activists
are trying to DROWN OUT the constitutionally-protected free-speech rights of the
Church (and other anti-change-the-definition-of-marriage supportors). Does that
make sense?
For those who truly care about rights - rather than shouting and villifying others for exercising THEIR rights, go through proper legal channels and pass laws. That's all Californians, Arizonans and Floridians did - they went through the established, constitutional LEGAL process and got what they wanted.
Having said that, nobody is against human rights here. It is a lie to claim that pro-Prop 8 = hatred and bigotry. It is a lie to claim that Church involvement in fighting for what it believes is a violation of the separation of Church and State. Chanting those things over and over again - even 10,000 times - does not change lies into truth.
For those who truly care about rights - rather than shouting and villifying others for exercising THEIR rights, go through proper legal channels and pass laws. That's all Californians, Arizonans and Floridians did - they went through the established, constitutional LEGAL process and got what they wanted.
Having said that, nobody is against human rights here. It is a lie to claim that pro-Prop 8 = hatred and bigotry. It is a lie to claim that Church involvement in fighting for what it believes is a violation of the separation of Church and State. Chanting those things over and over again - even 10,000 times - does not change lies into truth.
Carl | 6:58 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If it were not for the Mormons, the whole nation would be in deep doo-doo. Call
the gay and lesbian community next time there is a natural disaster. For all
the criticism, they are the only ones that stand for what is right. Sooner or
later, it will be all churches against the one. And you know which one I mean.
I hope Mr. Whipple, who planned to marry in April is saving himself for
marriage. I don't even want to know if he jumped the....shark.
Sam | 7:01 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Why do I keep reading that the "Mormon's" are trying to impose
their morals onto a people? Seems a deadlock, as the homosexual community is
trying to force their morals onto the world. And no the "mormon
Church" didn't "win this one" the voter did, that is until
the courts take away their votes again.
be informed | 7:02 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Voters of Prop 8 needed to be informed about the issue by both sides in order to
make an conscious decision. The vote was taken, the majority has spoken. In CT,
very little information was given about the Constitution Convention. It was
portrayed as an evil definately VOTE NO! I didn't even know what it was
until the church members informed me (a way to fight back on the recently
adopted law that legalized gay marriages.) It didn't pass and we are stuck
with legalized gay marriages.
Anonymous | 7:18 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I too am LDS and love the church. I have to chime in here though because so
many people seem baffled as to why all these people are so upset with our church
and not the other groups that oppose gay marriage. They are upset because it is
estimated that members of the church are estimated to have contributed 40% of
the money to fight prop 8. I do think that many in our church show an amazing
degree of intolerance toward homosexuals. I know that it's viewed as a sin
and yes, I too believe that will be the judgement in the end, but there are
hundreds of thousands of church members that participate in sexual relations
with members of the opposite sex outside of marriage which is sin also and
nobody looks at them as a threat to society. I think many members think they
have an inside track on judging what is the bigger sin. Get off your
self-righteous horse......sin is sin is sin....let's let God be the judge
and love all of our brothers and sisters.
Calif Resident that Saw it all. | 7:22 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
!!!!! That's all folks. The votes are counted. I don't believe
that the hatred they exhibited in this has been matched in US history for any
proposition. Spitting on campaigners, single finger waving, cussing, screaming,
pushing, chasing those knocking on doors, and the horrible lists go on & on.
The public is losing whatever tolerance they did have for them due to their
hate-filled "demand" for it. One of our friends had their tail-lights
broken out the day they put a bumper sticker on their car. Another had "No
on 8" keyed into the whole side of their car. Now marching on the Mormon
Temples? Defacing them?? How much more creatively can they spell "HATRED
& INTOLERANCE?" Their rainbow colors are truly showing now. One color
for each of their hate filled activities. Hang in there Mormons. The troops
are coming to help you and the opposition is blowing the horn FOR you! (My signs
were stolen several time...I kept spares on hand constantly. I am sooo glad I
DID!!!)
Anonymous | 7:22 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Arc you can't be serious....
2% | 7:22 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Mormons make up 2% of California's population, so who are the other 52.7%
voters? (That's assuming ALL Mormons voted on this issue). I, a Mormon,
would have supported Prop 8 whether the Church encouraged me to do so or not. A
lot of us fear the judgments of God rather than the judgments of disrespectful
people writing on the walls of our temples. But I do know there are good men
and women out there, who oppose our views, and show respect, thank you to those.
Romans 1:24-32 | 7:27 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Scripture, literally being fulfilled.
abcd | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
As has been said, the vast majority of people who voted against changing the
definition of marriage to include homosexual couples were not Mormon.
Protesting is a great right, just be consistent and go protest in
African-American communities, Latino communities, Baptist churches, Catholic
churches, etc. Of course, it won't happen. Everyone knows the LDS Church
is used to gain attention. The Church didn't come out with some new
revelation against gay marriage. Their views have existed much longer than many
of these people have been gay. It is important that we tolerate the homosexual
community and it's rights. Just call your view of a coupled relationship
something different. It's not marriage. I don't have a problem with
what you call your realtionship, just don't try and change the name of what
my heterosexual relationship is called. It's that simple.
Lin in tn | 7:28 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
The people have spoken. This is our system. Move on.
Johane | 7:40 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Well, we can't really be suprised about Gays making a spectacle about this
can we? Its what they do.
Don't Support Either | 7:45 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Marriage is stupid. It is a license to be miserable and be at the expense of
the woman. Let the gays get married. Let them have the benefits of nasty
divorse. They have the right to be just as miserable as us "straight"
people.
Not only do I not support gay marriage, I don't support straight marriage either.....
Not only do I not support gay marriage, I don't support straight marriage either.....
Anonymous | 7:47 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
i think that many in the gay and strait communities have shown they've
exercised their rights, and 3 of the most important: the right of free speech,
the right of peaceful assemblage and the right to vote. How many countries in
this world grant those freedoms/rights? I'm glad that members of several
churches contributed their time and money to fight for a cause they believe in.
I'm glad to see people of all groups passionate about issues. This time,
the right issue prevailed, the right prevailed and it always will.
Californian | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Bishop William Weigand, head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento,
Calif., is right on when he said:
"I call upon the supporters of same-sex marriage to live by their own words and to refrain from discrimination against religion and to exercise tolerance for those who differ from them,"
The biggest irony is that if all California Mormons who voted Yes on Prop8 had voted No, Prop 8 still would have passed. There are only 750,000 Mormons in CA, half or more are children; half or more are non-participating, so at best you had 100,00 to 200,000 Mormons who voted Yes. Prop 8 passed by more than 500,000 votes, with more than 5.5 million voting yes.
Why then does the no on 8 crowd think they should attack a small minority group with bigoted hatefull attacks.
If you want to attack the group that passed prop 8, go to innercity LA and attack the Latinos. Go to Oakland and protest against the Black Churches. But that wouldn't be politically correct, would it? Why donesn't the no on 8 crowd just get the CA legislature to pass an extermination order on the Mormons like others did in the 1800s.
"I call upon the supporters of same-sex marriage to live by their own words and to refrain from discrimination against religion and to exercise tolerance for those who differ from them,"
The biggest irony is that if all California Mormons who voted Yes on Prop8 had voted No, Prop 8 still would have passed. There are only 750,000 Mormons in CA, half or more are children; half or more are non-participating, so at best you had 100,00 to 200,000 Mormons who voted Yes. Prop 8 passed by more than 500,000 votes, with more than 5.5 million voting yes.
Why then does the no on 8 crowd think they should attack a small minority group with bigoted hatefull attacks.
If you want to attack the group that passed prop 8, go to innercity LA and attack the Latinos. Go to Oakland and protest against the Black Churches. But that wouldn't be politically correct, would it? Why donesn't the no on 8 crowd just get the CA legislature to pass an extermination order on the Mormons like others did in the 1800s.
Granny5 | 7:49 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Gays do not want special rights - they want equal rights. I have nothing
against them having a union where their property, their adopted or natural
children are protected and their campanions are given the right of inheriting,
insurance rights at workplace, and the right to visit in the ICU (deathbed
rights). They are human and created by the same God as I. Their blood runs
reds, same as others. Do not condemn - and remember "judgement is mine -
sayeth the Lord". Some people need to practice what they preach. I saw a
sign at the protest last night (on TV) that sums it up for me "Straight -
but not narrow." Let each seek their own happiness - gays are not a threat
to traditional families - let us embrace them and make them welcome into our
lives and homes.
Anonymous | 7:51 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I have friends who are gay and as a lds member, while I don't support their
lifestyle, I respect their choice since they are my friends. They have the right
to protest as well the church and its member had the right to support
Preposition 8.
But.....
Nobody has the right to vandalize private property. So, if somebody tries to spray the walls of the temple, be sure I am not around.
But.....
Nobody has the right to vandalize private property. So, if somebody tries to spray the walls of the temple, be sure I am not around.
Educate yourself | 7:53 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
It is difficult to determine if the lack of education expressed on this issue is
humorous or just sad. Many of those who shout "foul" or
"lies" are obvioisly dissapointed, but more obviously uninformed of
the facts. You have the internet. You can look up the foundational court cases
that led to your doom. It is not in your best interest to scare straight
Americans with law suits and such which sadly is what has happened. Be
intelligent enough to see that. I think that you will find, and hopefully so,
that members of this religion will give you a shoulder to cry on to help you
through difficult times, but redefining marriage is a long entrenched ideology
that will not change easily. Are you sure you have the... Stamina?
JA | 7:54 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Being gay is a choice.....period. Deal with it. You are not a minority...deal
with it.
RE: Boiseguy @ 12:35 a.m. | 7:54 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Have you ever read the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution?! California is able
to decide this on its own because it is a power that is NOT enumerated for the
federal government by the Constitution.
I believe there are now 30 states that have protected the definition of marriage, the most recent additions being CA, AZ, and FL. Do you see a trend?
The GLBT community has domestic partnerships in CA and civil unions in other states. Why is that not good enough?! If there's a problem on the federal level, seek to add "Civil Union" or "Domestic Partnership" to the federal code instead of seeking to change the definition of marriage.
You are trying to legislate the approval of a preference, not a right. If you want to live in love, nobody is stopping you by securing the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman only. Go ahead and speak your mind according to your First Amendment rights. You are free to do so. Just realize that traditional marriage will continue to stand the test of time, because we will stand up for it!
I believe there are now 30 states that have protected the definition of marriage, the most recent additions being CA, AZ, and FL. Do you see a trend?
The GLBT community has domestic partnerships in CA and civil unions in other states. Why is that not good enough?! If there's a problem on the federal level, seek to add "Civil Union" or "Domestic Partnership" to the federal code instead of seeking to change the definition of marriage.
You are trying to legislate the approval of a preference, not a right. If you want to live in love, nobody is stopping you by securing the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman only. Go ahead and speak your mind according to your First Amendment rights. You are free to do so. Just realize that traditional marriage will continue to stand the test of time, because we will stand up for it!
Steve | 7:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I, like so many of you here, am strongly in favor of Proposition 8. However, I
grudgingly admit that these people DO have a right to protest.
Also, has anyone but me noticed that these rights are more and more frequently being used against the church? First the protest at President Hinckley's funeral, and now this. These people need to get a life and realize that democracy means the majority of THE people, not the majority of YOUR people.
Also, has anyone but me noticed that these rights are more and more frequently being used against the church? First the protest at President Hinckley's funeral, and now this. These people need to get a life and realize that democracy means the majority of THE people, not the majority of YOUR people.
Bikermom | 7:55 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
If the real issue was support for gay marriage, I could buy that. But it goes
much deeper. The gay/lesbian agenda is to change what is taught in our schools,
to have our children indoctrinated with the gay lifestyle, to change a
generation's understanding of traditional marriage and families. Gee, in a
couple of generations the human population would begin decreasing. Unless, of
course, artificial insemination became the norm to perpetuate life. The
gays/lesbians want to change a generation by infiltrating our schools, court
system and the very fabric of our traditional society, and then indoctrinate our
children with the gay/lesbian lifestyle. If they don't get their way, they
oppose open voting -- or make it illegal to home school -- or take away
parents' rights to choose what is taught in public schools. Don't talk
to me about tolerance and acceptance. It is your way or the highway. America has
gone way beyond reason to ensure the rights of those with alternative lifestyles
and beliefs. But each time you get a concession, you demand something else --
taking away another right of the traditional, God-fearing people of this
country. Where does it end???
Christy | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
In response to the second comment made that being gay does not give entitle you
to rights and the history of marriage....
Thousands of years have also denied women the right to own property and the right to vote.
Thousands of years have also upheld racial discrimination and subjugating minorities to actual or quasi slavery.
Simply because historical analysis supports a particular position does not entitle that position to an unquestionable and unamendable status. Civil rights and women's rights have shown that past discrimination was simply wrong.
Thousands of years have also denied women the right to own property and the right to vote.
Thousands of years have also upheld racial discrimination and subjugating minorities to actual or quasi slavery.
Simply because historical analysis supports a particular position does not entitle that position to an unquestionable and unamendable status. Civil rights and women's rights have shown that past discrimination was simply wrong.
Can't change Science | 7:57 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Two Plans were proposed in the Council in Heaven. A war was fought that
resulted in 1/3 of our brothers and sisters forever loosing their ability to
have a body and to procreate. The battle rages on today with millions choosing
the same state. No matter how we vote or what the courts rule, no matter how we
fight for or defend our point of view, no matter how we dress, cut our hair, or
change our bodies, no two women in any kind of civil union, marriage, or sexual
relationship or no two men in any kind of civil union, marriage, or sexual
relationship, will ever procreate. Neither Heterosexuals nor Homosexuals can
change science; not one whit.
CB | 8:00 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Please tell me what is the difference between "hating a mormon' and
'hating a gay'? Wouldn't they both be hate crimes? Where in Prop
8 was the word 'hate'?
NEXT TIME | 8:08 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Next you need to go protest at all the houses in California that actually voted
for it. See ya in California!!
Steve again | 8:09 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
Also, it's just a tad bit hypcritical to rant and rave about how you are
being discriminated against, and then single out one single church, especially
one thaat probably had little or no effect on the outcome of the vote. Prop 8
would have passed without the LDS church. SO why do you protest against us, huh?
WHy not somebody who had an effect on the outcome? I am of the opinion that
these people are really just seeking to complain.
You're Kidding, Right? | 8:09 a.m. Nov. 8, 2008
I find it amusing and a bit perplexing that members of a church would protest
its church's official stance on a moral issue. Are you kidding me?
Either the church is wrong on its stance, and you therefore are dumb to continue your membership in it (because if it's wrong, it ain't a "true" church), OR YOU are wrong. I don't see any in between here. Not on an issue like this. It's pretty cut-and-dried as far as this church is concerned.
Either the church is wrong on its stance, and you therefore are dumb to continue your membership in it (because if it's wrong, it ain't a "true" church), OR YOU are wrong. I don't see any in between here. Not on an issue like this. It's pretty cut-and-dried as far as this church is concerned.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the church's only stance in political arenas is that we should be involved and make our votes count. they never did tell us to back any individual thing or person. They just said to be counted.
as far as prop. 8 goes, i am for passing the ban. I am an LDS member, but in no way does the church support and moreover encourage me to attack another group for their beliefs. Maybe a lot of money did come from LDS members, but they weren't encouraged to do that from church officials.
Like the Bishop of the Catholic church said, I encourage you to accept the decision of the California people and accept the law as it was passed.