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Hundreds protest over Prop. 8
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No on 8 | 5:41 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Wa,wa,wa I didn't get my way.
rattler | 5:49 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The majority has spoken. I'm not protesting the people who gave Obama the
$750 million to win his election. Although I didn't vote for him, he is the
president elect and I respect that.
California doesn't want it | 5:49 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
It wasn't the Mormons that defeated gay marriages, it was 2 million
Californians that voted against it TWICE.
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Equal Laws for Equal People | 5:50 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Why were the "marriage laws" that were on the books 100+ years ago
sufficient to send the flippin' US Army after "us" when we
challenged the traditional idea of marriage, but it take a friggin'
amendment of the State of CA's constitution to enforce the one man-one
woman concept of marriage???
BECAUSE demographically the gay-lesbian community is composed of spoiled, upper-middle to upper class brats whose baby-boomer parents run the whole fetchin' world. And those brats still have the nerve to claim the holy position of being an "oppressed minority".
BECAUSE demographically the gay-lesbian community is composed of spoiled, upper-middle to upper class brats whose baby-boomer parents run the whole fetchin' world. And those brats still have the nerve to claim the holy position of being an "oppressed minority".
Anonymous | 5:51 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
How screwed up.
Henry Drummond | 5:59 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I suspect that all the Church has really accomplished here is to cause
everything they wanted to avoid. They are uniting their opponents and creating
tremendous sympathy for them while at the same time making themselves the focus
of criticism that they triumphed by misleading and misinforming the public. The
next wave of state constitutional amendments will be ones that legalize Gay
marriage rather than banning them.
Pete | 6:06 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Go Home People. The voters spoke, what more do you want? and it just wasn't
the LDS who voted. DUH!
Anonymous | 6:08 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Not enough californians voted against it. The church backed a constitutional
change to remove rights. I hope they keep takin' it back to the church.
Somebody had better be nailing their theses to the door.
Soldier | 6:08 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Seems as though California has too much power politically anyway. And, yes, they
are one of the "key" big states that elected our president elect who
doesn't seem to stand for anything except whatever wasn't stood for in
the past. LDS are a minority, too, but you don't see us doing much soap box
work like every other minority out there. At what point will caucasian
individuals be considered a minority? I recall that it is predicted to actually
happen in less than 10 years at the present rate of change. And yes it is true
that these folks make up that particular class and they have no kidfs to spend
their moneys on so they push for adoption which will, if they end up putting as
much into the kid as their pets, will knock them out of the upper class. I would
rather they stay in the upper class and get slammed with those tax increases
they voted for by putting in their "most liberal politician in
congress" according to Newsmax who will make sure the wealthy get punished
for being that way.
Bayou Vol | 6:09 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Funny how these things only further isolate their cause and marginalize their
views. Violent protests over an election are not usually the most effective way
to convince the majority.
Shame? | 6:12 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
His "shame on you" statement is very hypocritical. It's okay for
him to judge and condemn them, but not okay for them to vote according to their
conscience? Wrong.
Wondering | 6:14 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I am just wondering if they also protested against the Catholic church and other
churchs that were also in the coalalition that the LDS joined into ?
AND, the people voted this into law NOT the LDS church! This seems really immature to me.
AND, the people voted this into law NOT the LDS church! This seems really immature to me.
photo | 6:15 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The sign about mormons having 10 wives... yet again, don't have their info
correct, but how dare anyone call them on it.
To all the haters.... | 6:18 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Mormons will always take a strong stand on marriage and family, and they will
never run away from your criticism and persecution. You can fight and sue and
cry and whine and burn our churches and temples all you want, but Mormons will
never back down from doing what is morally right.
Utah Man | 6:21 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I love how the No on 8 side demands tolerance but only when it convenient to
their agenda. I noticed how someone went ahead and defaced the temple gates with
the words bigot in the picture shown.
Quite classy.
Quite classy.
Tolerance | 6:24 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Protesters, where is your tolerance? Don't having any? suprise, surprise!
Mark | 6:24 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Funny how these comments only further isolate mormons from society and show how
mean spirited and full of hate you are. Mormons are sad and furthermore a people
of convenience. Wow I have never been happier about my choice to leave the cult.
Divine Definition | 6:31 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Marriage is not a socially constructed idea as many would like it to be. It is
something instituted by God and is inherently a man and a woman. These
protesters have the same argument that boys would have suing the Girl Scouts to
allow them to participate; flawed!! Girl Scouts have better cookies and benefit
from that reputation and boys will never be able to benefit from it because they
are not girls. Girls suing Boy Scouts would be another flawed argument despite
Eagle Scouts receiving admiration and opportunities with jobs, school, etc. I
imagine men will start suing the government because they cannot birth
children.
I support gay partnerships but they are fundamentally NOT MARRIAGE. Just like the gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, and transgender lobby has voiced over years and years; they are unique and different. Heaven knows I have received this "population-specific" training as part of my schooling and professional career as a clinical therapist/psychologist.
Oh, someone might want to educate the bigoted sign the lesbian is holding up about Mormon's.
I support gay partnerships but they are fundamentally NOT MARRIAGE. Just like the gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, and transgender lobby has voiced over years and years; they are unique and different. Heaven knows I have received this "population-specific" training as part of my schooling and professional career as a clinical therapist/psychologist.
Oh, someone might want to educate the bigoted sign the lesbian is holding up about Mormon's.
Civil Rights | 6:31 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
More and more people are seeing this as a Civil Rights issue and justly so. I
applaud the people who are fighting for their rights. If it wasn't for
black citizens standing up for equality who knows where we would be today as a
country. The gay marriage movement is no different. People who apose gay
marriage use the excuse that they don't want their kids being taught about
this issue in school. People who were fighting against blacks didn't want
their kids being integrated into their all white schools. People say that in
the Bible it states that a man and a woman are the only people allowed to get
married, however in the Book of Mormon it states that blacks are a lessor race
than the white race. My point is, is that all of these arguments are
ridiculous. California will eventually allow gay marriages to happen and then
the rest of the country will follow. Whether it happens next week or next year
it really doesn't matter, because people are inherintly good by nature and
they will see the error of their ways. Opposition to gay marriage is out of
fear and fear will never win....Love.
Californian | 6:38 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
For those of you who ask why didn't anyone protest the Catholic Church or
the Protestants? The answer is simple, those churches gave their opinions with
class. The Mormon Church took this political issure on as their own little war.
They were in every large newspaper shoving their views down everybodies throat
and people are definately sick of it. I would definately be a little weary if I
had a child on a mission in California right now. Their are many people who are
very upset with the LDS Church right now.
Dennis Wofford | 6:39 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The Church will decline in rapid order from the fallout over this issue. It has
divided the church and caused many to become inactive or full on remove there
names from the rolls. What a sad thing this has become. I almost fell sorry for
the lds church but then I think of the hatred they show others in the name of a
god whom only there leader speaks to Hmmmm! Well anyway it is end of days, well
end of days for this cult anyway.
Why not every one else? | 6:45 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I find it facinating that the one church that they target is the LDS church.
Were there not MANY other churches and groups that avidly pushed for the
Proposition to pass? And is it not true that the LDS faithful only represent a
small amount of the people in California who voted for it? This was a majority
vore by ALL of the people in California. For those who feel that this is not
fair, what can you say? It went to a vote, and it did not pass. End of
discussion. That is democracy at work. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.
But you cannot always have things exactly the way you THINK that they should be.
Re: Mark | 6:46 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Wow!!!!
Who cares? | 6:49 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Who cars if these religiously bigoted protestors do? We would rather obey God
than man!
The vote is over... | 6:52 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Hey, it's over and the voice of the people has been heard. You can file law
suits etc., but the people have spoken and it's time to move on.
Tom in Lazybrook | 6:53 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
The reason the Mormons are blamed entirely for this is because the Mormons, and
the Mormons ALONE pushed this. Just like Nebraska and Hawaii. By the way, this
is what Thursday during work looks like. Wonder what happens on Saturday
night.
Tolerance? Not until we have our civil rights.
Tolerance? Not until we have our civil rights.
not suprised | 6:53 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
By their fruits ye shall know them.
Re: Why not every ine else | 6:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
It is because of the LDS rabidness and the way the members of the church treat
non-members. It is shameful. The Catholics share the same view, contributed more
but did so respectfully and with dignity. I am not a religious man and was
against Prop 8 but the mormons are the least likley I would identify with all
the religious groups involves as representing the teachings of jesus. Your
shameful and rabid manners have pooly hurt a public image that was already in
shambles
It's Not Right | 6:58 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Discrimination should never be put up for the public to vote on.
Tom in Lazybrook | 6:59 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
So when are the General Authorities starting the campaign for California style
civil unions in Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, and Utah? Seriously, if they
aren't all a bunch of LIARS, they will get that enacted into law with
PUBLIC support for pro-Gay legislation they claim they support in California for
states where they control everything. But we all know that won't happen.
Because the General Authorities really do want to destroy Gay people. They can
prove me wrong by actions not pr garbage.
bob carlisle | 7:03 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
true story: they are going to raise money to fight it and for each donation,
they are going to send President Monson a card saying how he is wrong and a
bunch of garbage.
sounds like bible type prophesy to me
sounds like bible type prophesy to me
You guys don't get it | 7:04 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
This is no longer about waht is moral not moral or discrimination. It is about
hysteria. It is about how the LDS church fed the hysteria and now does not have
the skills to stop it. This has now fallen into an irrational rage. I know I
live here, have been to the protest marches, heard my LDS friends talk about
their church services.
I have personally directed those that worked with me against 8 to dis-engage, stop protesting and work with the courts. After all this is a system of checks and balances. It is now time for the courts to put this in check. The LDS church has to take some responsibilty for this rage.
I have personally directed those that worked with me against 8 to dis-engage, stop protesting and work with the courts. After all this is a system of checks and balances. It is now time for the courts to put this in check. The LDS church has to take some responsibilty for this rage.
RE: Who cares? | 7:04 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Be careful which 'God(s)' you obey. You better make sure your prophet
is receiving inspiration from the God of the bible before you act on his words.
Are you sure of that?
Matt | 7:07 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
It is interesting that many people want to equate perversion to race.
Most blacks, latinos, and other "minorities" realize that they are not perversions of the human race. The are of a different race.
A white gay guy is still caucasion. A latino gay guy is still latino.
Gay is not a race. It is a choice of a way of life. To equate it to race is to call all other races a perversion.
Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman.
Through the legal bond of "civil union" gays and lesbians have all the same legal rights as anyone else.
A rose is a rose no matter what you call it.
A mariage is between a man and a woman no matter what efforts some put forth to redefine it.
Most blacks, latinos, and other "minorities" realize that they are not perversions of the human race. The are of a different race.
A white gay guy is still caucasion. A latino gay guy is still latino.
Gay is not a race. It is a choice of a way of life. To equate it to race is to call all other races a perversion.
Marriage is a bond between a man and a woman.
Through the legal bond of "civil union" gays and lesbians have all the same legal rights as anyone else.
A rose is a rose no matter what you call it.
A mariage is between a man and a woman no matter what efforts some put forth to redefine it.
Aren't they the epitome | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
...of tolerance and civility! The photos say it all. We should be ashamed for
our behavior and have compassion on these poor sign-waving, uncouth, public
property defacing hypocrites.
Ask Brother Brigham | 7:14 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
You mormons need to look no further then how BY would have defined marriage to
understand that you are wrong in the eyes and teaching of a prophet; and yes the
church and the doctrines are ever changing to suit society's demands.
Oh yeah, remember that little intolerance to inter-racial marriage as well.
Peace out..
Oh yeah, remember that little intolerance to inter-racial marriage as well.
Peace out..
KJB | 7:15 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I wonder how many of the people who are calling the No On 8 people whiners here
are the same ones throwing the massive temper tantrums over on the Barack Obama
threads?
history | 7:17 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
When the Germans, (Hitler) took away the rights of the few - the majority was
okay with it. When early Amaricans have taken the rights of the few away -
again the majority was okay with it. When will it stop. Just because their was
a vote it does not make it right. Time will tell and all things change.
Why hurt other human beings for the sake of your own feelings?
Why hurt other human beings for the sake of your own feelings?
sarah | 7:18 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I'm not sure Mormons on this forum particularly understand that a marriage
document is a legal document that gives certain legal, tax, and personal rights
to people entering into the agreement. It is not a document endorsed by your
god, don't you remember that is why you get married in your temple because
that is where your god endorses your union??? Your argument is illogical and
based on fear and discriminates inherently against a minority group of people.
Regarding Civil Rights | 7:23 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I guess you haven't read the Book of Mormon in a long while since no where
have I ever read in it that "Blacks are a lesser race than the white
race" and I've read it over 20 times. May I ask you "Civil
Rights", if a young teenage mother wanted to put her child up for adoption
with a heterosexual couple for religious reasons, but was told by the state NO
because that would be discrimination and under the law (this is hypothetical
with the understanding if Prop 8 hadn't won) all couples, no matter their
type of partnership, must be looked at equally, what should she do? Don't
think it would happen? Think again, In Massachusettes the courts told the
Catholic church it had to adopt out to homosexual couples as well as
heterosexual ones, despite homosexual unions being against church doctrine. The
church pulled it's adoption agency out of Massachussettes. The courts sent
a strong underlying message to "UNWED" pregnant women with religious
convictions...you HAVE TO consider samesex couples. In Massachusettes religious
belief does not take presedence over what THE COURT dictates is bigotry. Yet
the consitution was made to protect RELIGIOUS LIBERTY and free speech.
Former Mormon | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Mormons love to play persecuted victims don't they? It has served them
well in the past and continues to do so today. I sent my letter of resignation
to my Bishop on October 30. It is nice to have that fairytale nonsense behind
me once and for all. As Fawn Brodie put it so eloquently, "It is like
shedding a hot woollen coat on a summer day." The relief was immediate!
John Pack Lambert | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
No member of the church has ten wives. People are excommunicated for
practicing polygamy.
The FLDS claim that the powers that be in Utah are trying to destroy them, they have no connection with the church.
I am really tired of the anti-traditional marriage people bringing up the polygamy lie. They are perpetuating false notions and lies. They are not showing any of their vaunted tolerance and understanding in this matter.
That is the true bigoted statement, to claim members of a church that has been excommunicating polygamists for a century have multiple wives.
Any member who participated in the No on 8 campaign should be ashamed of having worked with people who perpetuate such false attacks on the church.
The FLDS claim that the powers that be in Utah are trying to destroy them, they have no connection with the church.
I am really tired of the anti-traditional marriage people bringing up the polygamy lie. They are perpetuating false notions and lies. They are not showing any of their vaunted tolerance and understanding in this matter.
That is the true bigoted statement, to claim members of a church that has been excommunicating polygamists for a century have multiple wives.
Any member who participated in the No on 8 campaign should be ashamed of having worked with people who perpetuate such false attacks on the church.
Wheat and the Tares | 7:29 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
For those wishing and threatening a decline in LDS Church membershipp over the
its stand against perversion, please don't threaten. Act upon your
conscience. Like the Lord himself said, "My sheep hear my voice."
Isn't it apparent that the tares will separate themselves from the wheat
over issues of righteousness that the tares cannot abide?
Icky | 7:31 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I'm a man and I don't understand Gays. I have never understood how
you can be attracted to another man. It repulses me and I can't help but
feel that it is sick and wrong. I now get to be called all kinds of mean and
insensitive names for how I feel. I'm sorry, but I think I was born that
way. Can't people be a little more tolerant with my feelings? It's
just the way I am.
LDS in CA | 7:32 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
NOBODY got any rights taken away. Marriage is NOT a right anyway. Gay people
have all the same rights that married people have. It just isn't called
marriage. It is called a civil union. What more do these people want? Who
cares if the LDS Church says anthing? Don't they have a right to say their
opinion just like everyone else does? Don't we have the right to accept it
or not? Maybe people are upset because they feel it as a "threat" to
their agenda if the LDS church says anything? This is all just like my mom
said. When anything has anything directly or remotely associated with sex,
everyone looses their sense of logic.
Wow | 7:34 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
DOWN WITH THOSE INFERNAL CITIZENS WHO VOTED "YES" ON THIS HORRIFIC
BALLOT INITIATIVE!! DOWN, I SAY! DOWN WITH DEMOCRACY! UP WITH JUDICIAL
ACTIVISM! UP WITH RIOTERS!
Dave | 7:34 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
I don't personally believe that it is really possible to make the people
in the "Gay rights" movement happy any more than you can satisfy
people in the environmentalist movement. It is an ongoing and constantly
updating agenda. As soon as one goal is achieved the next one just moves to the
top of the agenda.
John Pack Lambert | 7:35 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
To Tom at 6:53,
The Mormons were not the only ones pushing this. Focus on the Family backed it, and they are not Mormon at all. The Catholic Church endorsed it. There were many Christian Churchs of many denominations in California that backed it. Orthodox Jews backed it.
In Hawaii the Latter-day Saints formed a coalition with the Catholics to back the law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. To claim Mormons alone pushed these things is just down right false.
The Mormons were not the only ones pushing this. Focus on the Family backed it, and they are not Mormon at all. The Catholic Church endorsed it. There were many Christian Churchs of many denominations in California that backed it. Orthodox Jews backed it.
In Hawaii the Latter-day Saints formed a coalition with the Catholics to back the law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. To claim Mormons alone pushed these things is just down right false.
To sarah and the others | 7:36 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
Read California Family Code Section 297.5. Gay civil unions enjoy all the same
rights as marriage. This is not a church meddling in other people's rights;
this is a church defending itself when the gay rights agenda meddles in
religious rights? Don't believe it? What about the Methodist church in New
Jersey that got its tax exempt status revoked over this issue? What about the
situation in the schools in Massachusetts?
To the LDS critics, don't tell me about us not having class. Inciting religious bigotry (seen that No on 8 ad with the Mormon missionaries?) is not class. Harassing worshipers as they try to attend the Oakland Temple is not class. Egging my friend's house is not class. Don't talk to me about tolerance.
To the LDS critics, don't tell me about us not having class. Inciting religious bigotry (seen that No on 8 ad with the Mormon missionaries?) is not class. Harassing worshipers as they try to attend the Oakland Temple is not class. Egging my friend's house is not class. Don't talk to me about tolerance.
No wonder | 7:36 p.m. Nov. 6, 2008
If the Church engages in political activity, and it did, then protests are
inevitable. Does it accept civil unions? What, then, is the difference except
terminology? Leave marriage up the churches, giving each church the right to
govern marriage for its own members, and have the state govern the legal
relationship (contract) for all couples. Gays have always been with us and will
always be with us. Even though I don't personally approve, I cannot impose
my morality on others unless there is a bona fide public safety issue - and none
exist in this situation.
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