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Utah Utes football: TCU's defense, speed a concern for Utes
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Duh | 6:18 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
This is where Utah makes the stand........yeah right! Lets see how the UTES feel
at the end of this one. Hope its good but, I doubt it.
Maddog | 6:43 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Sorry Utes but you have been exposed thanks to New Mexico. Johnson can plan on
looking up from the ground all night long and the running game will be shut
down.
TheHailstorm | 8:05 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Should be a whale of a game. After watching them play It wouldn't surprise
me at all to see them run the table and be in a BCS game. I see two good things
coming from that senerio;
1.. A cash cow that helps all of the conference with the extra money coming from the other bowl eligable teams and
2. Byu and Utah fans can quit their nitpicking , sniveling , name calling ways with both teams adding a higher quaity recruiting class from all of the positive exposure.
I am a Utah man sir , but I can live with an 11-1 record .. I want the Utes to win in the worst, or rather the best way, but if the game swings toward TCU somethings bright and optimistic will still be in the future for all of the MWC teams.
1.. A cash cow that helps all of the conference with the extra money coming from the other bowl eligable teams and
2. Byu and Utah fans can quit their nitpicking , sniveling , name calling ways with both teams adding a higher quaity recruiting class from all of the positive exposure.
I am a Utah man sir , but I can live with an 11-1 record .. I want the Utes to win in the worst, or rather the best way, but if the game swings toward TCU somethings bright and optimistic will still be in the future for all of the MWC teams.
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Mormon | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
My Utes are going to prevail in this and the rest of their games. GO UTES!!!
UNLV | 8:16 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
TCU can't shut down any running game. BYU just didn't have the
intelligence to see that when they played them. With an effective running game,
Johnson will pick TCU apart. Utah by 14.
Re: Maddog | 8:29 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Just like TCU was exposed against CSU the week before they played BYU?
TCU | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
TCU will single-handedly knock the state of Utah out of the BCS.
To Duh and Maddog | 8:41 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
I hate to disclose any intelligence to you, but you are forgetting 3 big factors
in favor of the U. TCU is on the road for back to back games. The U campus is
nearly a mile high. And temperatures have been in the 30's all week for
the Utes, and will be for the game as well. In Fort Worth, it has been 70s all
week.
Those three factors will even out any athletic gains the Frogs have over the Utes. It's going to be a barn burner.
Those three factors will even out any athletic gains the Frogs have over the Utes. It's going to be a barn burner.
Dave | 8:46 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
The Utes will prevail once again!! 10-0 baby!! I say the Utes will dominate
and win by at least 10 points or more.
BCS here we come once again!!
GO UTES
BCS here we come once again!!
GO UTES
re Maddog | 9:00 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Bitter bitter coogs. 400 yards of offense? Scoreboard isn't always in
indicator of dominance. Utah dominated the game. It was never in question.
NM is always a tough opponent and the only reason we didn't blow the Lobos out was stupid penalties and poor play calling. They exposed nothing. Our offense has struggled all year long yet we are 9-0.
The Utes have shown that they get up for, and win the big games that they are not favored to win. see Georgia Tech, BYU (with backup ratliffe), Ucla (top ten team) Louisville, and on and on... K whit is the best coach in the state. He just needs a new offensive coordinater. GO UTES! 10-0 and BCS BOUND!!! (Again)
NM is always a tough opponent and the only reason we didn't blow the Lobos out was stupid penalties and poor play calling. They exposed nothing. Our offense has struggled all year long yet we are 9-0.
The Utes have shown that they get up for, and win the big games that they are not favored to win. see Georgia Tech, BYU (with backup ratliffe), Ucla (top ten team) Louisville, and on and on... K whit is the best coach in the state. He just needs a new offensive coordinater. GO UTES! 10-0 and BCS BOUND!!! (Again)
Eagle Tail Speaks | 9:01 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Thank you, TheHailstorm. I agree completely. Want to have some fun, watch the
contest on Thursday evening. The Utes have plenty of outstanding young men and
athletes. Many communities are represented by this tremendous group. TCU will
bring the most difficult test for them. Watch and enjoy as the Utes struggle
and compete to win.
Dapper2k | 9:10 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Why Utah will win.
Both Defenses are very, very good, top 10 defenses for sure. Which will make it hard for the offenses to sustain drives. With both teams struggling to move the ball the Utes will gain ground on the kicking team winning the field position battle thanks to Louie Louie. With the Utes gaining 10 to 15 yards per punt getting into field goal range for Louie to put points on the board.
As sad as this souonds the Utes MVP is their Defense and thier Kicker. We've won 2 or 3 games this year because of Louie and I see another one coming on Thursday.
Louie for President! Go Utes!
Both Defenses are very, very good, top 10 defenses for sure. Which will make it hard for the offenses to sustain drives. With both teams struggling to move the ball the Utes will gain ground on the kicking team winning the field position battle thanks to Louie Louie. With the Utes gaining 10 to 15 yards per punt getting into field goal range for Louie to put points on the board.
As sad as this souonds the Utes MVP is their Defense and thier Kicker. We've won 2 or 3 games this year because of Louie and I see another one coming on Thursday.
Louie for President! Go Utes!
My Analysis | 9:20 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Here's my analysis.....not the expert but here it is anyway. Per
FoxSports, TCU scores 36.6 points a game on 408 yards per game while Utah scores
36.1 points on 405 yard per game. Offense - EVEN.
FoxSports shows TCU defense gives up 214 yards and 11 points a game. Utah's devense gives up 266 yards and 17 points a game. DEFENSE - Slight Edge to TCU.
I can't find Special Teams rankings, but Rivals.com ranks Louie as the best special teams player in the nation. SPECIAL TEAMS - Slight Edge to Utah
Intangibles - This is the only differetiator. TCU travels to Utah on a short week after playing a night game the Saturday before. They travel to a high altitude and weather.com shows the kickoff temperature at about 36 degrees. Those things all favor Utah, since TCU is used to hotter weather. Look at their game vs. Colorado St to see the effects of these elements (cold and altitude). INTANGIBLES - Edge Utah
In the end, it should be a very closely contested game. But, I think Utah should have a slight edge. Also, turnovers could decide the game.
Go Utes...I'll be there supporting in black!!
FoxSports shows TCU defense gives up 214 yards and 11 points a game. Utah's devense gives up 266 yards and 17 points a game. DEFENSE - Slight Edge to TCU.
I can't find Special Teams rankings, but Rivals.com ranks Louie as the best special teams player in the nation. SPECIAL TEAMS - Slight Edge to Utah
Intangibles - This is the only differetiator. TCU travels to Utah on a short week after playing a night game the Saturday before. They travel to a high altitude and weather.com shows the kickoff temperature at about 36 degrees. Those things all favor Utah, since TCU is used to hotter weather. Look at their game vs. Colorado St to see the effects of these elements (cold and altitude). INTANGIBLES - Edge Utah
In the end, it should be a very closely contested game. But, I think Utah should have a slight edge. Also, turnovers could decide the game.
Go Utes...I'll be there supporting in black!!
Horned frogs | 9:23 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
don't hop
Deceptive | 9:30 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
There's no question that TCU's D is excpetional, but those run stats
are deceiving. With 38 sacks, opponents' rushing stats drop considerably.
BYU averaged less than 1 yard/carry in raw stats, but 6-7 "carries"
were a Max Hall sack. TCU can be run on. Unga averaged 3.8 yards/carry in the
game. BYU didn't give him the ball enough, possibly because they were in a
hole early and panicked. They shut down the run against Oklahoma, but also got
scorched for more than 400 yards in the air and numerous big plays for TDs. This
is a D that picks their poison. With Utah's diverse ability and numerous
weapons to run the ball, they certainly have a good chance of having run
success.
As for TCU's offense, they are nice, but not great. They are racking up stats lately on terrible defenses. The numbers for Dalton since return for injury are nice numbers, but they come against BYU, Wyoming, and UNLV. Bad, bad defenses. Again, I'm not saying that TCU isn't talented and dangerous, but people are in love with them for gaudy numbers that aren't necessarily depicting the whole story.
As for TCU's offense, they are nice, but not great. They are racking up stats lately on terrible defenses. The numbers for Dalton since return for injury are nice numbers, but they come against BYU, Wyoming, and UNLV. Bad, bad defenses. Again, I'm not saying that TCU isn't talented and dangerous, but people are in love with them for gaudy numbers that aren't necessarily depicting the whole story.
more ute fans | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Hey cougs,
It looks like you should be cheering for Utah on thursday. If TCU wins then the conference is theirs and nov 22 is for 2nd place. If utah wins then BYU has a chance at sharing the conference title. Of course, that chance is very small if they keep playing like they are now. BYU will get routed against utah and will lose to AF if they dont get it together.
Go Utes!!
It looks like you should be cheering for Utah on thursday. If TCU wins then the conference is theirs and nov 22 is for 2nd place. If utah wins then BYU has a chance at sharing the conference title. Of course, that chance is very small if they keep playing like they are now. BYU will get routed against utah and will lose to AF if they dont get it together.
Go Utes!!
UTES will Compete | 9:40 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
At least Utah will show up and make a game out of it. Instead of get burned as
if they were a bunch of white guys trying to play defensive secondary positions
against fast guys from the south...wait...that's exactly what it was.
The Key... | 9:41 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
will be turnovers.
Whichever team is +2 in turnovers will win.
If Brian can avoid coughing up the ball, the Utes have a chance. If Brian plays his usual game - giving up one interception and one fumble - TCU will be celebrating their first trip to a BCS bowl.
Whichever team is +2 in turnovers will win.
If Brian can avoid coughing up the ball, the Utes have a chance. If Brian plays his usual game - giving up one interception and one fumble - TCU will be celebrating their first trip to a BCS bowl.
Final | 10:02 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
1 TCU 8-0 Fiesta
2 BYU 7-1 Poinsettia
3 Utah 6-2 Las Vegas
4 Air Force 5-3 Armed Forces
2 BYU 7-1 Poinsettia
3 Utah 6-2 Las Vegas
4 Air Force 5-3 Armed Forces
re: Maddog | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Using your logic... TCU was exposed by Colorado State
Similarities? | 10:43 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Similarities? Speed? Run the Ball Very Well? "We are a lot Similarities
between the two offenses."
You hope TCU didn't see this. Like Joe Glenn Said "Guaranteed"
I sure hope you guys win this one and play all the marbles when our BYU COUGARS come to town and see another magic. Harlene is Open and 4th and 19. Let's see here - 4th and goal - One Second left in the game and Utes up 38 to 35 - Max Hall pass the ball to cross pattern at the end zone and Ute defender taking the interception but slip through his hands and both D. Pitta and A. Collie catch the ball for TD - COUGARS WIN again and Greg Wrubell go real crazy over the KSL radio. YES. So, Utes go one game at a time and take care of buisness tomorrow night!
You hope TCU didn't see this. Like Joe Glenn Said "Guaranteed"
I sure hope you guys win this one and play all the marbles when our BYU COUGARS come to town and see another magic. Harlene is Open and 4th and 19. Let's see here - 4th and goal - One Second left in the game and Utes up 38 to 35 - Max Hall pass the ball to cross pattern at the end zone and Ute defender taking the interception but slip through his hands and both D. Pitta and A. Collie catch the ball for TD - COUGARS WIN again and Greg Wrubell go real crazy over the KSL radio. YES. So, Utes go one game at a time and take care of buisness tomorrow night!
Dick | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
The good news is, if Utah's MWC championship hopes go down the drain on
Thursday, so do BYU's. Life doesn't get much better than that.
re: final | 10:59 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Brilliant! So 3rd place Utah goes to the Las Vegas Bowl (where TCU will go if
they don't get a BCS Bowl Bid) over 2nd place BYU who gets stuck with the
Poinsettia Bowl after beating Utah?
I'll help you out a little. If the 1st place MWC team goes to a BCS Bowl, the 2nd place MWC team will play at the Las Vegas Bowl.
I'll help you out a little. If the 1st place MWC team goes to a BCS Bowl, the 2nd place MWC team will play at the Las Vegas Bowl.
Blackedout | 11:13 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
I hope the Utes play well for our sake, but if they don't, let's see
if there's as much smack talk coming from Utah as there was after
BYU's (AT TCU) game... It's time to back it up, or admit you're
hot air. I like the word "Blackout" to describe what's likely to
happen Thursday... Good Luck.
Hey Cougs | 11:21 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Your so worried about Utah getting Demolished by TCU maybe you should worry
about your rag tag group of DB's trying to stay on the field without
getting injured. Don't start thinking about Utah on Nov. 22nd and a
conference championship until you get there with only 1 loss.
James | 11:25 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Hope Boylen gives a better speech than the last one, he kind of ran out of
things to say and lost momentum, had to finish up "Go Utes!" to end
with a cheer.
Hilarious | 11:27 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
"Men's basketball coach Jim Boylen is scheduled to address the
crowd."
Ol' Jimmy is gettin' an early start on grabbing the mic to share his passion with the crowd.
We love you Jimmy!
GO UTES!!!!!
Ol' Jimmy is gettin' an early start on grabbing the mic to share his passion with the crowd.
We love you Jimmy!
GO UTES!!!!!
Nostradomus | 11:29 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
The Frogs will be cold and winded before the kickoff. Utah will make their
usual mistakes to keep the game close. Brian will ultimately redeem himself and
the Utes will be 10 and 0. But I degress. The world will come to an end before
the bowl season starts, so we will never know what could have been.
Dashing | 11:35 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
So Utah fans like 10:45 a.m. will be cheering for a Utah to lose to TCU so that
the Utes can dash BYU's chances of winning another MWC title...
Strange, ???
but, interesting...!!!
The blackout is starting to make sense now.
Strange, ???
but, interesting...!!!
The blackout is starting to make sense now.
Chip | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
The weather, watch the weather. Late 1960's Ranked and undefeated ASU come
into Utah, snowed the day before, cold temperatures, I was at that game. ASU
fumbled alot in 1st half, Utah held on to win. I'm a strong BYU fan but
I'll be rooting for Utah Thursday !
MWC.... | 11:38 a.m. Nov. 5, 2008
I watched the BYU/TCU Game and all the BYU fans after the loss could say is Utah
is going to get killed. The worst loss in the year and all they could say is
Utah is going to get killed. Championships is about Defense one that BYU
doesn't have and both Utah and Tcu both have. Wether Utah gets killed or
not doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is go MWC. We all could
use the money. Hopefully Utah can get new turf without the ugly soccer lines on
it.
re: Hey Cougs | 12:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
"You're" (note, it's a contraction, not a possessive) so
worried about BYU's depleted secondary that you've forgotten about the
blitz-happy secondary U will be facing tomorrow night. U should be worried about
how Brian can survive TCU's pressure or both teams will be playing their
November 22nd matchup with one loss.
I sure hope... | 12:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
... Coach Ludwig brings his a-game! I know the Utes have the talent on offense
to win, but whether Ludwig puts them in situations to display that talent
remains to be seen.
Re the predictions from all the new TCU fans from Utah County, to have any credibility, your comparisons have to take more into account than just BYU losing to TCU by a huge margin and Utah barely beating UNM last week. TCU has not been the juggernaut all year - they've laid a few eggs too (their CSU game, for example). By the same token, Utah has not always shown as poorly as they did last week. We blew out Wyoming thanks to our D and special teams play. We doubled up UNLV, tripled CSU, and quintupled USU. We're averaging over 36 points a game - not really the sign of a feeble offense.
This has all the makings of a real barn-burner - I just wish I didn't have to work late that night, or I'd be there for the blackout. Looks like my co-workers will get to listen with me on the internet.
GO UTES!!
Re the predictions from all the new TCU fans from Utah County, to have any credibility, your comparisons have to take more into account than just BYU losing to TCU by a huge margin and Utah barely beating UNM last week. TCU has not been the juggernaut all year - they've laid a few eggs too (their CSU game, for example). By the same token, Utah has not always shown as poorly as they did last week. We blew out Wyoming thanks to our D and special teams play. We doubled up UNLV, tripled CSU, and quintupled USU. We're averaging over 36 points a game - not really the sign of a feeble offense.
This has all the makings of a real barn-burner - I just wish I didn't have to work late that night, or I'd be there for the blackout. Looks like my co-workers will get to listen with me on the internet.
GO UTES!!
BYU Defense | 12:22 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
If there is one thing I know about Mendenhall, he will have the Cougar defense
ready to smash the ute offense. The blackout will be the outer darkness for the
utes and the Cougars white will stand for purity and living right. Ahmen.
Not necessarily | 12:25 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
"If the 1st place MWC team goes to a BCS Bowl, the 2nd place MWC team will
play at the Las Vegas Bowl."
The Las Vegas Bowl gets the 1st pick of available MWC teams. If TCU plays in a BCS bowl, the Las Vegas Bowl could pick BYU, Utah or Air Force. Since BYU has played in 3 straight Las Vegas Bowls, the bowl could invite a very good Utah team for a change of pace.
The Las Vegas Bowl gets the 1st pick of available MWC teams. If TCU plays in a BCS bowl, the Las Vegas Bowl could pick BYU, Utah or Air Force. Since BYU has played in 3 straight Las Vegas Bowls, the bowl could invite a very good Utah team for a change of pace.
Much Ado About Nothing | 12:49 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Utah and BYU are mediocre teams that want so badly to be great, but are not. As
an article stated yesterday, the Utes have only played a ranked team when they
themselves were ranked 5 times -- in the school's history.
I think it's great to be excited about this game, great to banter about who's better, Utah or BYU. But please, not delusions of grandeur. The MWC has no elite teams. I'm excited for the BCS possibilities, but I will be hoping that the MWC doesn't embarrass itself too (which will most likely happen). Maybe the MWC BCS team will get lucky and draw the Big East champion.
I think it's great to be excited about this game, great to banter about who's better, Utah or BYU. But please, not delusions of grandeur. The MWC has no elite teams. I'm excited for the BCS possibilities, but I will be hoping that the MWC doesn't embarrass itself too (which will most likely happen). Maybe the MWC BCS team will get lucky and draw the Big East champion.
byu-haters | 1:10 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
These chumps are just upset because they got toasted on national tv.
Utah always shows up to big games and struggles to lower opponents. Last week they struggled, this week they blow them out of the water like the ucla game. GO UTES!
Utah always shows up to big games and struggles to lower opponents. Last week they struggled, this week they blow them out of the water like the ucla game. GO UTES!
Can't wait | 1:50 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
"These chumps are just upset because they got toasted on national
tv."
Keep thinking that way.
It's going to be so much fun watching the "chumps," as you call them, upset the mighty Utes in RES.
Utah fans seem way more focused on how BYU did against TCU, than how the Utes are going to do against the Frogs. Better hope that your team is more focused than you are or it could be an ugly night for Utah fans.
Keep thinking that way.
It's going to be so much fun watching the "chumps," as you call them, upset the mighty Utes in RES.
Utah fans seem way more focused on how BYU did against TCU, than how the Utes are going to do against the Frogs. Better hope that your team is more focused than you are or it could be an ugly night for Utah fans.
Byu-Whiners | 1:54 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
This is an article about TCU & Utah not about your third place team. Your
whining and jealousy are getting really old!!!
Anonymous | 1:54 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
I think this is going to be in the ball park of 17-13. I am a die hard ute fan,
but this game could go either way. Home field is a huge advantage. I think
both teams are pretty much the same as last year and neither team lost much to
graduation from last year. the fact that TCU had to travel back home last
Saturday night and then to SLC today eliminates a day of practice for them .
Also, if the weather delays their flight, it can make for a long day of travel.
I think in athletes of this caliber, the elevation doesn't come into play
until the fourth quarter. It takes longer for the body to recover. However,
the Utah offense needs to put together 4-5 minute drives in the second half to
take advantage of it. TCU leads the nation in penalities and penalty yards, and
if they commit those penalties at times that extend Utah's drivesor stop
their own, then that will be the difference. The same goes for Utah. Nothing
wrong with penalties except for timing.
RE Not Racism | 2:08 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
"Mommy...He started it! I wasn't doing anything..he just called me a
name! Waaaa Booo hoooo"
Thanks for the laugh TDS fans!
Thanks for the laugh TDS fans!
Mommy... | 2:31 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
is proud of her little one and hoping that some day he'll grow up and
understand.
Obviously, that day may be a long time in coming.
Obviously, that day may be a long time in coming.
Anonymous | 2:41 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Utes are people! Show some respect.
Anonymous | 3:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
@ umm, nice try (2:51 pm)
What it sounds like you are saying is that you really aren't responsible for your own behavior, i.e. "the real blame lies with Utah"
Just couldn't help yourself could you?
What it sounds like you are saying is that you really aren't responsible for your own behavior, i.e. "the real blame lies with Utah"
Just couldn't help yourself could you?
most likely will be a loss | 4:33 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Hey yewt fans you know those close games your sorry little team had against
Michigan, Oregon St, AFA, and New Mexico? Weak teams every one of them. Your
little team is most likely going to lose because TCU is WAY better than any of
those teams. This is your 1st real test this season.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Black Clothes | 5:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
are perfect! They'll already be in mourning clothes by the end of the
game! Great choice utes!
wYo8 | 6:25 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
anything to dis little brother is fair game.
Chris | 7:32 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
I love the criticism about the New Mexico win and being "exposed". To
be exposed you would have to claim to be something you are not, which the Utes
have not done this year. I am more pleased with a 3 point win over New Mexico
than a ONE point prayer over the huskies... Which yes, are currently THE WORST
TEAM in the nation right now. Enjoy your humble pie cougars, num num NUM!
Tomorrow!! | 7:58 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
Anything can happen on this one. Two great teams going head to head. I expect
it to be a battle to the end as long as BJ doesn't turn the ball over, and
doesn't hesitate like he did until the last two minutes against OSU.
Don't ya just love college football season? Man am I excited to be there
tomorrow to watch it all play out.
Ten bucks says that if Utah wins, the fans from Utah County still keep running their mouths.
Go Utes!
Ten bucks says that if Utah wins, the fans from Utah County still keep running their mouths.
Go Utes!
re: Chris & Michigan | 7:59 p.m. Nov. 5, 2008
How about that skin-of-your-teeth 2-point win over the worst Michigan team in 5
decades? Now that's something you can be proud of.
It's so interesting how Utah fans have deluded themselves into believing that Utah's Michigan win is SOOOOOO much more impression than BYU's Washington win.
Please explain why a win over the 96th worst team in Sagarin's ratings is so much more impressive than a win over the 121st worst team.
Enjoy your over-inflated opinion of yourselves for another 24-hours.
It's so interesting how Utah fans have deluded themselves into believing that Utah's Michigan win is SOOOOOO much more impression than BYU's Washington win.
Please explain why a win over the 96th worst team in Sagarin's ratings is so much more impressive than a win over the 121st worst team.
Enjoy your over-inflated opinion of yourselves for another 24-hours.
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