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Poll: Obama gains but McCain remains Utah's choice
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Lost in Utah | 2:41 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Wow!!!!!!There are a few people in Utah that get it. We can't have 4 more
years of Bush! It is important that as Utah goes the country doesn't
follow. I am looking forward to the new president and the new direction of our
country. It looks like God is finally guiding us in our election in this
country. Why did it take so long?
LIVs | 2:44 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Utah voters typify the LIV (low-information voter) who relies only on what their
favorite candidate says, that "R" button on the machine, and
right-wing hate radio screamers.
When a coworker claims "If Obama is elected, he'll make people set off car bombs across the US" -- and then says it's being spread throughout his church via email and it's "all over the internet"..........I can only feel sorry for those members.
No wonder our country is in a mess, when seemingly-intelligent and reasonable start spouting such nonsense!
57% of us are suddenly the nation's most gullible voters?
For shame, Utah. For shame.
When a coworker claims "If Obama is elected, he'll make people set off car bombs across the US" -- and then says it's being spread throughout his church via email and it's "all over the internet"..........I can only feel sorry for those members.
No wonder our country is in a mess, when seemingly-intelligent and reasonable start spouting such nonsense!
57% of us are suddenly the nation's most gullible voters?
For shame, Utah. For shame.
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Grover | 2:54 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Utah will remain strongly red until Mitt has another run at it, is the only
nationally viable Republican running and the base still rejects him. Then and
only then will the decades long love affair with the red end in disappointment
and disillusionment and perhaps open the State to a more robust two party
discussion.
J.J. | 3:06 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Far worse than not being a Mormon, Palin's problem is that she is
completely unprepared to address issues of national significance, not because
her experience is inadequate but because she is neither sufficiently interested
nor sufficiently intelligent to do so. While people may disagree with Mitt
Romney and may find his bizarre lurch between a left-of-center governor to
extremely conservative presidential candidate, he is certainly an intelligent
and curious individual.
Like Palin, Obama lacks long-term national & international experience, but he is certainly deeply versed in the issues that president will confront, including economic issues, foreign policy issues, and energy/environmental issues. Even if one disagrees with his ideas, it is clear that he has thought very carefully about them.
Like Palin, Obama lacks long-term national & international experience, but he is certainly deeply versed in the issues that president will confront, including economic issues, foreign policy issues, and energy/environmental issues. Even if one disagrees with his ideas, it is clear that he has thought very carefully about them.
Anonymous | 3:24 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
It's going to be different for a lot of utahans being on the outside
looking in.
Senhor Tambor | 3:26 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Yeah, big surprise. Many parts of Utah now have indoor plumbing, as well.
Henry Drummond | 3:32 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
For some unexplainable reason Senator McCain is campaigning with Vice President
Dick Cheney as I write this. I don't know what he's thinking.
He's trying to distance himself from the most unpopular administration in
history and at the same time talking about how honored he is to have
Cheney's endoresement. Obama immediately jumped on it as a sign that
McCain would just be more of the same.
I've admired senator McCain for many things and voted for him in the primaries in 2000 and this year. It is very sad to see someone who has such a great personal story run such an poor campaign. Romney would in fact have made a much better choice for Vice President. So would any number of other people including some prominent women. Instead he choose The Bridge To Nowhere. Very sad.
I've admired senator McCain for many things and voted for him in the primaries in 2000 and this year. It is very sad to see someone who has such a great personal story run such an poor campaign. Romney would in fact have made a much better choice for Vice President. So would any number of other people including some prominent women. Instead he choose The Bridge To Nowhere. Very sad.
Dixie Dan | 4:02 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Gov. Palin was selected for one reason: to get the Evangelical vote. The
Evangelicals are not thrilled with McCain and dispise Mormons as a non-Christian
cult. Let's also realize that Utah has NEVER voted for a black candidate
since 1847 nor have they ever had one become a LDS Bishop, Stake President or
General Authority in this state. Knowing this, what chance does any black
candidate have being elected in Utah? Add to this that Utah was the LAST state
to recognize Martin Luther King Day. If possible Utah would vote for another 4
years of GWB before Obama.
Hilary Smith | 4:51 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Once Republicans privatize public education, they�ll have
our kids working in the factories again. Now is the time to put our collective
foot down and reject the corporations-first-citizens-second ideology that's
been breaking our backs for the last 30 years.
Re: Hilary | 5:15 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
You sound like you are a student of Karl Marks!
Mr. Independent | 5:25 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Karl Marks? Who is that? Its spelled M-A-R-X. If you're going to use
ridiculous communist slurs please at least spell the name correctly.
Dixie Dan Misinformed | 5:26 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Where do you pull these supposed facts. What a bunch nonsense and blathering.
This election has nothing to do about black and white, it's about
principles.
me | 5:27 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I have to agree with the person who said Utahns are low-informed voters- proven
by the most popular stories for this paper today- 5 of the top 6 articles are
sports articles..
lost in DC | 6:06 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Dixie Dan must be a BO supporter, they're the only ones making this about
race.
@me, just because the sports articles have the most comments doesn't necessarily make them the most read. Even if they are, it's more likely a sign that we're morose over the prospects of a BO presidency and are looking for an escape.
LIV is typical of the hateful left, calling names and insulting those who disagree with them
@me, just because the sports articles have the most comments doesn't necessarily make them the most read. Even if they are, it's more likely a sign that we're morose over the prospects of a BO presidency and are looking for an escape.
LIV is typical of the hateful left, calling names and insulting those who disagree with them
Paul Stewart | 6:09 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
There is no stronger Nation than one with a well run economic engine. One that
is fairly and sensibly regulated. One that shares the wealth equitably. One that
is built on morally sound incentive systems for its operators. One with a
collective advancement and support system for all its members.
Republicans as much or more than any others will tell you that you don't send into battle men without protection and weapons. You don't send men that are unskilled and untrained in the use of weapons. You don't win battles by leaving your compatriots unprotected. And you don't leave the weak and wounded behind. Their rescue is the mark of heroes. If its heroic in the battlefields of war, why not so in the battlefields of life?
America is indeed headed for a brighter future with Obama than with McCain.
Republicans as much or more than any others will tell you that you don't send into battle men without protection and weapons. You don't send men that are unskilled and untrained in the use of weapons. You don't win battles by leaving your compatriots unprotected. And you don't leave the weak and wounded behind. Their rescue is the mark of heroes. If its heroic in the battlefields of war, why not so in the battlefields of life?
America is indeed headed for a brighter future with Obama than with McCain.
yada yada | 6:10 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Whoever has an R after their name is Utah's choice. What a shock! If Ted
Stevens was the nominee Utahns would be yelling about his unfair treatment by
the courts - just like Orrin was willing to be a character witness for him. If
Mark Foley was the nominee Utahns would be touting his superior morals!
Anonymous | 6:10 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I would not say Obama is the person America has been waiting for, but I argue he
is the leadership she is waiting for.... His person and history is a great
surprise and challenge for America. A surprise that I believe will ultimately
delight her and a challenge, one that is long over due by the way, that she will
not only embrace but meet as well....
On Tuesday, when America gives Obama the wheel, he will astutely point the train in America's direction....
Obama will drive an American restoration. In good time, we will once again see that shining light on the hill, that glowing torch in the harbor, that open door to the neighbors, and follow that American Dream.....
America needs to move quickly though, she has drifted too long and is far behind. There is indeed the fierce urgency of now.....
On Tuesday, when America gives Obama the wheel, he will astutely point the train in America's direction....
Obama will drive an American restoration. In good time, we will once again see that shining light on the hill, that glowing torch in the harbor, that open door to the neighbors, and follow that American Dream.....
America needs to move quickly though, she has drifted too long and is far behind. There is indeed the fierce urgency of now.....
Info man | 6:21 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Nice spin Dixie. "Utah never voted for a black candidate since 1847".
Huh??
And last time I checked Mormons don't vote for their leaders. Are there a huge percentage of black mormons in utah? Cmon Dixie! It's not a color thing. I do know Mexican and Poly bishops in Utah though. And about MLK day. Many states opposed the holiday. It wasn't about being disrespectful to MLK, it was about opposing another federal mandated paid holiday on businesses. Also South Corolina was the last state to observe the holiday. As for W Instead of Obama YOU BET!! You keep on drinkin your Hollywood and media issued Kool-Aid about how everything evil, wrong and vile in this world was a grand scheme devised and caused by Bush. And that our currant economic situation is all "Bush's fault". Do I think that Bush has been perfect? Of course not, but we have PROSPERED and we have been kept SAFE with George at the helm. I wonder if al-Qaeda would want another term of W? I think not. I bet islamo- fascist around the globe are lickin their chops at the possibility of an Obama presidency.
Nice try Dix.
And last time I checked Mormons don't vote for their leaders. Are there a huge percentage of black mormons in utah? Cmon Dixie! It's not a color thing. I do know Mexican and Poly bishops in Utah though. And about MLK day. Many states opposed the holiday. It wasn't about being disrespectful to MLK, it was about opposing another federal mandated paid holiday on businesses. Also South Corolina was the last state to observe the holiday. As for W Instead of Obama YOU BET!! You keep on drinkin your Hollywood and media issued Kool-Aid about how everything evil, wrong and vile in this world was a grand scheme devised and caused by Bush. And that our currant economic situation is all "Bush's fault". Do I think that Bush has been perfect? Of course not, but we have PROSPERED and we have been kept SAFE with George at the helm. I wonder if al-Qaeda would want another term of W? I think not. I bet islamo- fascist around the globe are lickin their chops at the possibility of an Obama presidency.
Nice try Dix.
To Ashamed- Ditto | 6:33 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I too feel ashamed to live in a state that would support a man that has a
seemingly personal need to "win" this war. If for no other reasons
don't elect him because he will send son's and daughters, fathers,
brothers- off to war.
Please bring the troops home!
Please bring the troops home!
Marie Devine | 6:39 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
We can become "one nation under God" with "in God we trust"
with God�s wisdom, guidance and protection; or we can vote
to continue to live as a secular nation without speaking of God's
commandments and power, a nation where we talk of religious liberty but refuse
the right to talk of God openly. If we really want change,this is our great
opportunity to show God and man if we want God's wisdom to guide and our
nation.
Senator Obama refuses to end abortion rights and same gender marriage; he read four large Harry Potter (witchcraft-sorcerer) books to his young daughters. He cannot end the holy war against our anti-God ways. (1Samuel 28: King Saul's kingdom was taken from him and given to David for disobedience and going to a witch. 1 Samuel 15:22 �'to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. :23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.")
We need to pray, vote toward God�s ways and trust Him. He gives us what we vote for.
Senator Obama refuses to end abortion rights and same gender marriage; he read four large Harry Potter (witchcraft-sorcerer) books to his young daughters. He cannot end the holy war against our anti-God ways. (1Samuel 28: King Saul's kingdom was taken from him and given to David for disobedience and going to a witch. 1 Samuel 15:22 �'to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. :23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.")
We need to pray, vote toward God�s ways and trust Him. He gives us what we vote for.
Alex P | 6:44 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
It is the right of all eligible people to vote for whom they want.
Many will vote republican because they always do.
However larger numbers are looking again at a party that has doubled the debt from 5 to 10 trillion in 8 years, started an unjust war, supported internment and torture and caused an inflation rate of almost 100% causing many to loose their homes and jobs as a poor way to go.
Many will vote republican because they always do.
However larger numbers are looking again at a party that has doubled the debt from 5 to 10 trillion in 8 years, started an unjust war, supported internment and torture and caused an inflation rate of almost 100% causing many to loose their homes and jobs as a poor way to go.
Leadership Vacuum | 6:47 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Obama has no leadership experience. Hiring folks to run a campaign and being a
community organizer does not make a leader.
McCain and Biden have limited leadership experience. Being a senator provides the opportunity for minimal leadership.
The irony is that Palin has Gov of Alaska has more leadership than all the others combined. What a travesty!
McCain and Biden have limited leadership experience. Being a senator provides the opportunity for minimal leadership.
The irony is that Palin has Gov of Alaska has more leadership than all the others combined. What a travesty!
Anon @ 6:10 | 6:48 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
It's obvious why you are an Obama fan. Both of you sound like you're
reciting poetry but you don't say a thing. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Libs are so
emotional. Do you really think "She" want's to head down the road
of socialism?
pakkarim | 7:02 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I'm from Durian Tunggal, Melaka, Malaysia and have friends among Utahns.
Dear friends, pls do the right thing for the people of the world. We have the audacity to hope that you will usher in the need for change! Yes you can! Thanks.
Dear friends, pls do the right thing for the people of the world. We have the audacity to hope that you will usher in the need for change! Yes you can! Thanks.
The mainger is full of dogs | 7:17 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
We have a leadership vacuum. Of the two candidates, who has shown the greater
leadership skills in picking talent to run his organization? McCain has had to
regroup twice. His choice of Palin has backfired.
You see a trend here. Where was Obama four years ago? Where has he gotten himself today? Obama has make history. That shows leadership to me.
Utahans have picked only dead horses. Bush ruined America. Mitt was unelectable and McCain is a looser. If you keep choosing the wrong, you are doing something wrong.
You see a trend here. Where was Obama four years ago? Where has he gotten himself today? Obama has make history. That shows leadership to me.
Utahans have picked only dead horses. Bush ruined America. Mitt was unelectable and McCain is a looser. If you keep choosing the wrong, you are doing something wrong.
Dan Jones doesn't get this one | 7:45 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I'm disappointed that Dan Jones doesn't seem to get this one. As a
pollster and analyst I'd hope he'd have a better pulse on what's
going on.
I'm a Republican precinct leader who is *not* voting McCain but it has nothing to do with Romney. I didn't support Romney either. I don't know of any Romney supporters (who actually agreed with his platform) that have a problem pulling the lever for McCain. McCain and Romney are *very, very similar* on the issues. Furthermore, Romney heartily and heavily endorsed McCain.
If Obama is picking up support it is not latent anger that McCain beat "the Mormon" candidate, it is more likely attributed to more Utahns finally looking past the party stereotypes and getting more engaged in the campaigns. I also expect to see a fairly significant rise in so-called "third party" votes this year.
I'm a Republican precinct leader who is *not* voting McCain but it has nothing to do with Romney. I didn't support Romney either. I don't know of any Romney supporters (who actually agreed with his platform) that have a problem pulling the lever for McCain. McCain and Romney are *very, very similar* on the issues. Furthermore, Romney heartily and heavily endorsed McCain.
If Obama is picking up support it is not latent anger that McCain beat "the Mormon" candidate, it is more likely attributed to more Utahns finally looking past the party stereotypes and getting more engaged in the campaigns. I also expect to see a fairly significant rise in so-called "third party" votes this year.
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 7:47 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Patriotism and pure hard work are the hallmarks of his life. I believe that John
McCain is a true American hero and just the kind of President we need in a
troubling time. With his running mate, Sarah Palin, he will fight for
conservative values, stand up for lower taxes and bring real solutions to real
problems facing our nation.
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Reader comments: Poll: Obama gains nothing but taxi fare to the airport to go back home to Chicago pouting, but McCain remains not ONLY Utah's choice, but Florida's choice as well as the rest of the Nation to.
Florida is the ONLY KEY STATE that'll win McCain and Palin their respected seats in our White House.
Join Senator John McCain for a
Miami Road to Victory Rally & Concert
Featuring Special Musical Guests:
Albita
Continental Brass
Carlos Oliva y Los Sobrinos del Juez
Javier Romero
John McCain will be returning to Miami on Sunday, November 2nd for a Road to Victory Rally. Several top musical talents, including those listed above, will be performing at the event. Sunday, November 2, 2008 Doors Open at 7:30 PM
Bank United Center
University of Miami
1245 Dauer Drive
Coral Gables, FL 33134
Reader comments: Poll: Obama gains nothing but taxi fare to the airport to go back home to Chicago pouting, but McCain remains not ONLY Utah's choice, but Florida's choice as well as the rest of the Nation to.
Florida is the ONLY KEY STATE that'll win McCain and Palin their respected seats in our White House.
Paul | 7:51 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I live in Spanish Fork and I have not seen one McCain Palin sign in my home
town. I have seen a hand full of Obama signs. While this is no scientific way
to guage support, I believe it does reflect enthusiasm, an enthusiasm that is
simply not there for the Republican ticket from people of this state.
America is just fine... | 7:54 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
...and I am grateful to live here. My life is and will be what I make of it,
not what the "President" or the "Congress" make of it. I
wish you whiners and complainers and blamers would take responsibility for
yourselves and stop being so...vitriol... against a fellow human beng who,
despite his faults and mistakes, has done more for this country than you will
ever hope to do.
That being said, both parties picked the very worst candidates they possibly could. Neither candidate has captured my support, but I will be exercising my right to vote because many people died to give me that right and I will not dishonor them. How sad I am that I have "bad" and "worse" to choose between. Neither candidate has sparked my confidence in their abilities to manage economics or national security, so the only thing I have to fall back on is my value system. Since my values are more in alignment with the Republican party, that's where my vote will go. Call me low-informed if you must, it will just reinforce the perception I already have about the intolerance you clearly demonstrate with every syllable.
That being said, both parties picked the very worst candidates they possibly could. Neither candidate has captured my support, but I will be exercising my right to vote because many people died to give me that right and I will not dishonor them. How sad I am that I have "bad" and "worse" to choose between. Neither candidate has sparked my confidence in their abilities to manage economics or national security, so the only thing I have to fall back on is my value system. Since my values are more in alignment with the Republican party, that's where my vote will go. Call me low-informed if you must, it will just reinforce the perception I already have about the intolerance you clearly demonstrate with every syllable.
Marks! | 8:03 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Re: Hilary | 5:15 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
You sound like you are a student of Karl Marks!
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Well, there you are, folks. A parrot of right-wing radio/TV.
"Low information voters" are those who depend only on their own candidate's skewed view of the other candidate....and back it up by listening to agreeable hate media.
No wonder they love Palin! She really IS like them!
You sound like you are a student of Karl Marks!
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Well, there you are, folks. A parrot of right-wing radio/TV.
"Low information voters" are those who depend only on their own candidate's skewed view of the other candidate....and back it up by listening to agreeable hate media.
No wonder they love Palin! She really IS like them!
To Marie Devin | 8:16 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I really hope you are kidding. Bush had 8 years and he did nothing to end
abortion rights. And the Harry Potter thing -- it is a story that many people
religious or otherwise have read to their children.
And America is just fine ... I'm glad your value system favors those that make millions of dollars, corporations that send their jobs overseas and receive tax breaks for it. You must not care about public education, tax breaks for the middle class, affordable healthcare, etc. Republicans really have no value system except for that they claim to be the right choice for religion because they oppose abortion and gay rights. Really well guees what abortion is legal and in the last eight years Bush has done nothing to change that nor would McCain.
Maybe you should find out what the Republican value system is -- the wealthy and big business get whatever they want at the expense of everyone else.
And America is just fine ... I'm glad your value system favors those that make millions of dollars, corporations that send their jobs overseas and receive tax breaks for it. You must not care about public education, tax breaks for the middle class, affordable healthcare, etc. Republicans really have no value system except for that they claim to be the right choice for religion because they oppose abortion and gay rights. Really well guees what abortion is legal and in the last eight years Bush has done nothing to change that nor would McCain.
Maybe you should find out what the Republican value system is -- the wealthy and big business get whatever they want at the expense of everyone else.
wow | 8:18 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
please re:hilary push away the keyboard and pick up a book.
I agree with | 8:19 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
the content of "America is just fine"...But I'm voting for Chuck
Baldwin instead. Yeah, I know he's not gonna win etc etc. But here's
why: This is my first election to participate in and I have decided that I will
ALWAYS vote for the candidate that most supports the Constitution since I
believe that is the surest way to preserve our economic, political, and personal
freedom. Don't care what party he's in. I vote on principle, not
politics or promises.
McCain is an old has-been who just wants to get in the Oval Office before he croaks (I mean, how long has this guy been trying?). He only wants power and has little in the way of real, workable answers to the problems facing this nation.
Obama is an outright Marxist. Read the Communist Manifesto. Obama supports virtually all of it, although he wouldn't admit it to God. He has no experience. His ideas are just fairy tales and are not workable at best, and will spell ruin for the US at worst.
I don't agree with all of Baldwin's ideas, but he comes the closest to my own thoughts. Therefore he gets my vote. End of story.
McCain is an old has-been who just wants to get in the Oval Office before he croaks (I mean, how long has this guy been trying?). He only wants power and has little in the way of real, workable answers to the problems facing this nation.
Obama is an outright Marxist. Read the Communist Manifesto. Obama supports virtually all of it, although he wouldn't admit it to God. He has no experience. His ideas are just fairy tales and are not workable at best, and will spell ruin for the US at worst.
I don't agree with all of Baldwin's ideas, but he comes the closest to my own thoughts. Therefore he gets my vote. End of story.
EAH | 9:10 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Thank you info man!!! I was beginning to wonder if anyone out there got it. You
Obama fans have no idea what we are in for with that sweet talkin' man.
You let him take care of you. The government always does such a fine job with
whatever they are running. Sorry all you Bush haters He didn't do it all.
Go America | 9:20 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Energy--A big issue. This one is big in McCain's favor. Use what we have.
Do you know anyone who works in the oil, natural gas fields? They have great
high paying jobs. Do you like the lower fuel prices? Imagine the prices if we
were producing most of our own. Imagine all the high paying jobs to build up
this industry. Building refineries, pipelines, trucking the products, buildings
homes for the workers (been to Vernal area lately?). Many more jobs will be
created to support the increase of this industry! Imagine our economy with all
our money staying home instead of going to other countries!! Imagine the
strength of our nation. We would be more secure using our own God given
resources. We can also develop wind, nuclear etc. Imagine how we can help some
of the less fortunate with all of these high paying job opportunities.
Don't forcibly take from some to give to others! Create more and allow
those who want more the ability to get more! Look at all the charitable
donations that would be made (with tax incentives of course). I don't want
a welfare state.
Obama's America doesn't give hope to me.
Obama's America doesn't give hope to me.
jr | 9:28 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
to Leadership Vacuum - it takes a leader to be able to delegate and it takes a
leader to recognize others have talents and knowledge to reach out to those
around him. Wow look at George W - where has his leadership lead us? Sarah
Palin was mayor of a small town not a large city in Alaska, she has not been
Governor for more than two years. She is good at spinning evil and lies to get
where she wants to go and is divisive in her comments - her leadership is more
in line with that of Adolf for sure
angry | 9:31 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I'd like to ask, Why is it that our state is not looking at the fact that
John McCain, had an affair on his first wife. Are you so intent on putting
another Republican in the White House that you're willing to over look the
fact the man committed ADULTERY? So much for obeying the 10 commandments! I
voted for a man with the intestinal fortitude to be FAITHFUL to his wife.
Steve | 9:49 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Someone accused Obama of being a Marxist. After reading about Marxism, or at
least the "10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto" in Wikipedia, it
seems that some of the ideas first published in that work of 1848 are commonly
accepted as part of life in modern America, without having (yet) gone to the
extreme published in that work, namely:
-A progressive or graduated income tax.
-Abolition of right of inheritance (estate tax)
-Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels (seen after Civil War?, Enemy Combatants?)
-Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly (bail-out plan?)
-Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form.
I'm not trying to defend Marxism (I didn't have any idea what it was other than being associated loosley with communism), but doesn't it seem that we are all a bit "marxist" perhaps at some level, even if we don't agree with it in it's most extreme implementation? And what's wrong with taking the best of whatever philosophy we find, and applying it to our situation? Gotta love the Great Melting Pot!
-A progressive or graduated income tax.
-Abolition of right of inheritance (estate tax)
-Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels (seen after Civil War?, Enemy Combatants?)
-Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly (bail-out plan?)
-Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form.
I'm not trying to defend Marxism (I didn't have any idea what it was other than being associated loosley with communism), but doesn't it seem that we are all a bit "marxist" perhaps at some level, even if we don't agree with it in it's most extreme implementation? And what's wrong with taking the best of whatever philosophy we find, and applying it to our situation? Gotta love the Great Melting Pot!
socialism | 10:12 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
What!? I cannot believe that people accuse Obama of socialism. Socialism =
government getting involved with corporate America. Hello, last time I checked
Republican Bush is still running this country. Allowing government bailouts.
What part of screwing up the country is Obamas fault? It is our fearless leader
that has gotten us in this fine mess. I don't know why anyone would want
money mongers, war mongers and someone that cannot play well with others
continuing on to ruin what we have left.
Grimble | 10:21 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I am sick and tired of people claiming that because I support Obama I must have
been brainwashed into doing so. I am a rural Utah native, a practicing Mormon,
a husband, a father, and a neighbor, and I study the issues very carefully. I
have arrived at the decision to support Obama after much research and
contemplation. If your research takes you to a different conclusion, fine. We
can discuss those differences civilly. But I am sick and tired of minimally
informed neighbors and ward members and people on this board telling me I must
have drunk the kool-aid or been fooled by Obama's sweet talk. Disagree
with his policies if you wish. That's fine. But enough of this childish
trash talk. Grow up.
Furthermore, I have been astonished by how many people have justified supporting McCain by saying he's "The lesser of two evils." I see no McCain signs in my neighborhood. Nobody likes him. But they can't fathom voting for Obama because of the rumors they've heard.
So it appears we will either have a president that half the country loves, or a president that half the country hates and the other half can barely stand.
Furthermore, I have been astonished by how many people have justified supporting McCain by saying he's "The lesser of two evils." I see no McCain signs in my neighborhood. Nobody likes him. But they can't fathom voting for Obama because of the rumors they've heard.
So it appears we will either have a president that half the country loves, or a president that half the country hates and the other half can barely stand.
Anonymous | 10:22 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Why do conservatives hate America? They don't care enough about America to
know what powers a president has.
Obama can't end abortion, because no president can. That is a power given to congress.
Conservatives, in their blind hatred of America, fail to see that the majority of Americans aren't seeking socialism. Most Americans dream of requiring wealth.
Conservative are people devoid of faith in our great nation. Little wonder Utah ranks low on enlistments. Greed and w3hat it in it for them and not what they can do for America is conservatives motivation.
Have you never heard a conservative wanting to pay their fair share of the wars the troops they claim to support are fighting?
Obama can't end abortion, because no president can. That is a power given to congress.
Conservatives, in their blind hatred of America, fail to see that the majority of Americans aren't seeking socialism. Most Americans dream of requiring wealth.
Conservative are people devoid of faith in our great nation. Little wonder Utah ranks low on enlistments. Greed and w3hat it in it for them and not what they can do for America is conservatives motivation.
Have you never heard a conservative wanting to pay their fair share of the wars the troops they claim to support are fighting?
earthkeeper | 10:30 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
I have found that most people have very little knowledge about the office of
president. The president can do very little unless congress allows it. He can
ask to go to war but he can't until congress holds up their hands show
their approval and gives him the funding for it. It is congress that makes the
tax laws. The president can not give his buddys tax breaks. One of the important
things the president can do is veto the bills that cross his desk. I wish that
he would have vetoed the bill that was pushed through by Barney Franks, Chuck
Shumer, Chris Dodd and others that loosened up the mortage laws. Their big
argument was that every one should be able to buy a house. So they
did,including many thousands that couldn't afford them, and every body got
rich but the taxpayers. So now the low incomes are defaulting on their loans.
And Obama wants to take from the rich and give to the poor. The rich create the
jobs for those that want one. Did you know that 40,000,000 people do not pay
taxes but instead they will a check from Uncle Sam, YOU!!!
Pah | 10:41 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Utah's choice? What difference does that make?? Obama is the next
president whether Utah likes it or not!
Ing | 10:50 p.m. Nov. 1, 2008
Steve...EXACTLY! It's nice to see somebody go out and get some information
and think about things.
I read the Communist Manifesto for an English class several years ago, and it changed my life. Well, maybe not that extreme, but it changed the way I thought about a lot of things. I'm not espousing communism as a way of life, but I did discover that Marxism is not the epitome of evil, nor is socialism the diametric opposite of being American. A lot of things we take for granted now--and consider ultimately American--like no child labor and free, state-supported education for everyone, come from socialism.
Anyway, my point is, vote your conscience, but get as much accurate information as you can first!
I read the Communist Manifesto for an English class several years ago, and it changed my life. Well, maybe not that extreme, but it changed the way I thought about a lot of things. I'm not espousing communism as a way of life, but I did discover that Marxism is not the epitome of evil, nor is socialism the diametric opposite of being American. A lot of things we take for granted now--and consider ultimately American--like no child labor and free, state-supported education for everyone, come from socialism.
Anyway, my point is, vote your conscience, but get as much accurate information as you can first!
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