Steven's Conviction | 6:38 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
The Ted Steven's conviction is probably the last nail in the coffin for the GOP this year. It just looks bad...real bad.
David O | 7:07 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Mormons need to realize that the base of the Republican party hates them and thinks Mormonism is a cult despite the Christian beliefs. This is the way to keep people like Romney out of power. Romney would have been a great VP candidate for Mccain. It would have answered the what to do about the financial crisis where Romney has the most experience. But Alas, the anti Mormon evangelical base dislikes Mormons but this state will once again go Republican to a party that tolerates them like broccoli.
Anonymous | 7:26 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Mormons already realize the base of the Democratic party hates them: (1) God-fearing, (2) traditional marriage, (3) self-reliance instead of government-dependence, etc. You might say that the current Republican party is the lesser of the two evils. The problems began when the Southern Democrats started taking over the Republican party to promote their big government "conservative" social agenda.
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CliftonClyde | 7:34 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Could not agree more with David O and I am speaking as a non LDS individual. Mitt Romney would have been an excellent candidate for President or Vice President this year. It wasn't his qualifications that kept him off the ticket but his religion. The Republicans are going down in flames in 2008 and part of the reason is their religious intolerance.
Anonymous | 7:36 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
David O is right. The right hates Mormons, so don't get your hopes up. Palin? Heaven help us!
To: Dave O | 7:41 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
You fail to understand that Mormons use their faith and values to choose their party, not using their party affiliation to shape their values. Until you and others like you get it, you just won't understand the way Mormons vote.
true blue | 7:47 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Palin will not be the GOP nominee for 2012. Huckabee will make another run, and some unknowns.
Mitt is LDS??? WOW!!! | 7:54 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
'The contribution from Romney, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is "completely unconnected" to the church's own involvement in the issue, Fehrnstrom said.'

Mitt and the LDS Church "completely unconnected"??? Only LDS folk would want the rest of us to believe that Mitt takes no notice of what his Church Leaders say!! Yeah right..................
2012 Is Better | 8:02 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
I am extremely glad that Mitt Romney wasn't on the ticket this year. Nothing he could have done could have overcome the Democrat's argument of "failed Bush policies." Debate the merit of that all you want, but having Romney on the ticket this time around would have killed his chances of anything in 2012.

In four years, people will realize that it was the Demo's policies that messed up the economy and they will be unhappy that Obama's policies haven't fixed anything, and then Romney will have a shot. The Evangelicals will be more likely to overlook his LDS faith at that point, although it will still be a factor that could derail him.
take it from me... | 8:18 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Reagan lost the nomination to Ford in '76;
Ford lost the election to Carter.
After 4 years of Carter and a Dem congress America was ready for the Reagan Revolution.

Mitt lost to McCain who will lose to Obama.
By 2012 America will be sick of Obama
(who will be Carteresque in his clueless arrogance and incompetence)
and the Romney Revolution will be underway.

mark your calendars
Evan from Maine | 8:18 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
After Comrade Obama is chosen as "The Great One" for the United Socialist States Of America, people will realize they should have had Mitt Romney as the top of the ticket. Mitt is the only one that can save us in 2012.
Unfortunate Circumstances | 8:38 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Unfortunately, neither party is a great fit for Mormons. The evangelical republicans don't like us for anything but our conservative vote, and the liberals dislike our views on abortion and gay marriage.

While I am one of the few "blue" (not byu blue) LDS people here in Utah, I still don't support abortion or gay marriage, and will never support gun control. However, I do not like the republicans tax laws, and lax regulations for big business. I also dislike the lack of spending on schools (this should be a much higher priority).

I think that we'd see more support from LDS members if the Dem. party would back off from Abortion and the whole Gay Marriage stance, and then publicly notified the population of it. Until this happens, we won't see much change in this state. Those are some big issues for us, and can still cause me to vote away from pushers of these causes.

If you want more votes for Dems in Utah, then that's what needs to be done. Until then, I'm one of a very few that will still vote blue (most the time).
HSFAN | 8:41 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
I have to laugh at the tactic of libs trying to convince us mo's that the repub/christians hate us?

What a joke....and the liberals love mormons? Which ones would those be...Ellen DeGenerate, Michael Moore, Chevy Chase, Jay Leno, MoDonna, or Mayor Rocky?

And just what values do liberals espouse that mormons share? Communism? Abortion? Legalize Marijuana? Tax those who work, and give it to those who don't? Yea, that Barack is the second coming of Christ and McCain is John the baptist!


Looking at Obama who has not anymore qualifications than does Palin.......makes me really wish I could cast a vote for Romney for Pres this year. This years vote based on the integrity, experience and judgement of the candidates is alot like voting for ...........Satan or Lucifer?
New Yorker | 8:42 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
The GOP takes Utah for granted. This year both presidential candidates are awful. The only way to let the GOP know that we won't vote for just anyone they put on the ballot is to vote for someone else. That is why I am writing in Mitt Romney. I hope he doesn't run in 2012 because after four years of yobama there may not be much left to govern or fix, it will be completely broken.
Pigs will fly | 8:51 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
I lived in Texas, South Carolina and Georgia before coming home to Utah. There is no way conservative so-called Christians will vote for an LDS candidate, not going to happen. The ignorance of people who go to pentecostal Assemblies of God church like Sarah Palin is really breathtaking.

I predict that the first woman president will have to be a Republican, and that the first Mormon president will have to be Democrat.

Sorry Mitt, I like you too.
Rap | 9:01 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Mormons need to get out of politics and into the church to heal their souls and get over the love of money and the power of politics and practice the teachings of Christ before it is too late.
Mitt | 9:04 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
I wish McCain would have picked Mitt, so that fool could have lost twice. But the GOP hates the LDS church, everything about it.

Mitt Romney will never be the President of the United States.

Maybe a different Mormon will be, but not Mitt.

Never.

And whoever wrote that Obama and Palin have equal qualifications to be the President, you need to go get your head checked out.

Palin is not qualified to be a school board president and from the looks of it, neither are you.
Harry Reid | 9:24 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Becasuse of his party's open mind to religion. He is the LDS person with best chance in 2012.
HSFAN | 9:48 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Mitt:

Oh wise one...I noted how you challenged me to get my head examined.....another idiot who can't see the forest through the trees.....

I stand by my post that Obama has no qualifications for President...unless you are referring to his Community Organizer experience? That is about as impressive as his associations with Wright, Ayers, Resko or his desire to raise taxes on those who already pay 86% of the taxes?

If Obama is elected and you have a job, get ready to pay more taxes....if you don't have a job, Obama is going to buy you a house! Communism disquised as an American Dream!
To mitt | 9:53 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Well from Obama's credentials he has so far been... a community organizer and a senator mostly absent while campaigning for president. Yeah great credentials. At least Palin has been doing something while in public office...
Tell us Mitt | 9:58 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
So "Mitt" . . . tell us these wonderful qualifications of Obama . . . He is an empty suit who says "nothing" very eloquently. Don't be a stooge for the liberal media.
Mystifying Media | 10:10 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Mitt isn't running for office. Yet that is what the media wants to talk about. We have three congressional races going on and yet the Deseret News blogs are silent on the subject. Forget Mitt and his future plans, we have decisions to make today.

In 2007 National Taxpayers Union gave Representative Matheson a grade of D. He has been ranked 32 times in his eight years by taxpayer watch-dog groups, and his average ranking over that period is 35%, a D rating at best. I�ll spot him 20 points just in case my sources weren�t complete, but 55% is still is not a passing grade. We can no longer afford to grade Congress on a curve, or soon they will think that 6% will be a passing grade. Jim Matheson may be better than the average Democrat in congress when it comes to protecting taxpayers, but that's like saying that a sprained ankle is better than a compound fracture. I'd rather have neither.

I wish the media would focus on relevant issues instead of Mitt.
Julee11 | 10:14 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
LGBT people in England, Belgium, Canada, Spain and the Netherlands all have equal rights, including marriage. Society has managed to accept it and adapt. We should learn something from "BisexualMingle dotcom", many members here working for GLBT rights. And there are about 100 members per day and they are very active. And if you often are online, you may find what you are looking more easily.
Anonymous | 10:17 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
I bet the LDS' involvement in Prop H8 and meddling in the constitution of CA will be a really good endorsement of a Mormon in the White House and how non-Mormon Americans can feel good about that!

Yup! I betcha!
Anonymous | 10:30 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
The Party's over. Ther will be no pick in '08 nor 09' except for the Republicans to pick their nose!
Officially Democrat | 10:44 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Between the "well-read" Sarah Palin and double-take-super-issue-retractor Romney, I'm voting Democrat in 2012 if those are the frontrunning Republicans.
ITrustNo1 | 10:46 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Palin is more 'Qualified' to be President then Obama. At least she has managed something...like Alaska. Obama hasn't managed a popcorn stand, let alone anything that remotely resembles the United States of America.

Romney, on the other hand, obviously has much more experience then Obama, and he would have eaten Obama's lunch in a debate. Every time Obama would have tried to tap dance to avoid answering specific questions, like he has done with McCain, Romney would have brutalized him with hard cold facts.

Romney can also go more than toe to toe with Obama in the speach delivering category.

This fear I hear in some people's voices concerning anti-Mormonism, and its being a reason for Romney not to run for President in 2012, smacts of your having very "little faith" in the Lord's possible purpose for this gifted, intellegent, honorable man....Mitt Romney. Fear is Lucifers tool, not our Father in Heavens. Thank goodness Joseph Smith understood that.
Mark B | 10:47 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
A true waste of time speculating on the 2012 GOP nominee. Would any of you have picked, PRIOR to the 04 election, McCain and Obama? Not one in a thousand would have, but that doesn't keep you from showing your smarts by speculating, then hoping everyone forgets it. Palin is where she is on the basis of ONE vote - McCain's. And Mitt? He'll have to find a new crowd to pander to because the old one gave him nothing but the back of its hand. But since we're all being silly together, I'll go out on a limb by predicting...another old white guy, four years older than he is now.
Professor | 11:01 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Things change quickly in politics. There is no way Obama and his Democratic Congress will be able to deliver all they promise. It is an impossibility. Four years from now the whole thing will be up for grabs again.

And the Republicans? The evangelicals will most likely shoot themselves in the foot again. They choose McCain over Romney by backing the Pastor and have four years to reload their shotgun.
Don't gasp at this concept. | 11:09 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
First of all to the 10:17 pm post, it isn't like Romney would be hoping to get CA's vote, they are so liberal.

OK, I never thought I would say this, but I think a Romney/Huckabee ticket would be good. I resent the anti-Mormon digs from Huckabee, but I think that he has wised up. I think that Romney would bring stability and Huckabee would bring personality, sorry Romney. I would like to see Mitt run again, I think that religions are going to have to become more tolerant if they want a conservative in office.

I just worry about Israel, I have heard that if Obama is elected that they are going to go after Iran right away.

Don't be surprised if Polosi doesn't end up with the power, they will have Bidan put in the loony bin and she will put out a hit on Obama. That lady is trouble and she wants to control all. And when all this happens, we will watch her sweet little sidekick Mormon, Reed helping her along. What a joke he is, I accept Mormon's being Democrats, but he seems to cross the line all to much.
Mark B | 11:25 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
Wow. The things you can find here. You've got a guy who calls himself ITrustNo1 (not just sure what that means) who takes on the duty of speaking for deity, and adding a little scold lesson for everyone else. Has he MET Romney?
David O | 11:36 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
How many Mormons here responding to me have ever been to these evangelicals churches that call Mormonism a cult? I have been to many many services of many religions and I can tell you for a fact the ones that the far right goes to only likes Mormons for the vote, otherwise the LDS Church is a cult to them. It is a fact, those who deny it just haven't been outside the bubble.

Mitt Romney would be an excellent president in the current economic mess. He was not McCain's vp because of the evangelical right. Romney raised a ton of money for McCain. You think Romney did that because they are pals? No, because he was trying to gain acceptance.
Mormon from a dumb state | 12:16 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Obama is on track to win 9 of the 10 states that has the HIGHEST amount of college graduates per capita in the U.S. Guess what� McCain is on track to win 9 (and maybe all 10) of the states with the LOWEST amount of college graduates per capita.

Now quick, someone please tell me
which states are smarter?

Or, can you say: "We the people"
KM | 12:18 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
It doesn't matter if Obama can't keep his promises. The leftist media will never take him to task. In fact, they will blame the rascally republicans for any Obama failures. Same old same old.
David O | 12:46 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
"To: Dave O | 7:41 p.m. Oct. 27, 2008
You fail to understand that Mormons use their faith and values to choose their party, not using their party affiliation to shape their values. Until you and others like you get it, you just won't understand the way Mormons vote."


No, I know it all too well, I know the disdain the evangelical right has for Mormons. You all forget too soon that Southern Baptist Convention that rolled into town. I got a knock on my door from them and they told me their army was going door to door to tell all the Mormons they chose a false religion. They told me "Mormons were a cult and that Joseph Smith was a fraud." This is what the evangelical right is teaching their children. I told them to take their hate mongering off my doorstep. These are the ones that grow up and vote against people like Mitt Romney.

I only understand too well the voting pattern here and until Mormons vote otherwise, they will be treated as the ugly stepchild in the Republican Party.
Romney's problem remains | 12:57 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Memo from Boston:

Mitt Romney was our governor and he did a great job for Massachusetts! One thing I like about this liberal state: Mormonism was never brought up in the campaign, not even once, and if anyone would have used religion against Mitt they would have been toast. You just don't talk publicly about personal religion in New England, it's considered impolite.

The flipside for Mitt is that Mass is a liberal state. The only way for a Republican to win here is to appeal to moderates. There is a lot of tape showing Mitt saying he supports Roe v Wade and pro gay partnerships. Those tapes aren't going to disappear and will be used against him.

I doubt that evangelicals will ever allow Mitt to be the nominee. They will say it is the tapes where he says he's moderate, but the truth is that they just can't stand Mormons.

Mitt has to be VP first, there's no other way.
White Horse | 1:14 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
No doubt there could be a white horse in the white house by 2012!
Provo Voter | 2:00 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Well, people are waking up to the truth. Look behind the seens and see who is saying what. The funniest and saddest truth is Fox News. To say it is fair and balanced is false. Who is the CEO of Fox News and what has been his role in convincing people with what seems so little regard for truth. Research the name Roger Ailes in wikipedia and maybe you will find out how the buddy system works. Its money for the rich.
David O | 2:24 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
I can tell you one thing for sure, the evangelical right wing of the Republican party loves Palin and her alcohol drinking pregnant unwed teen daughter more than they love Romney, a man who raised a successful family and has helped his wife through her illness and is a successful businessman. His crime that he committed to get less support than her or Huckabee? Being LDS. Mccain would be quite a maverick he claims and dump Palin and throw on Romeny.
scotwright | 3:49 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Here we go again, down that same trail we went with Jimmy Carter. Carter, like Obama was a no nothing populist. This country went through some tough times in the late seventies and it seems that we have forgotten that history. If we believe the BS put out by the media and certain other professional brainwashers we conservatives will give up and give in to the radical slobs who stand with the socialist Dumb-o-crats. Everyone who cares anything about America and Christian values should support McCain/Palin and don't become discouraged. They can win but only if we vote for them. The people who would support Obama, if they stay away from the poles will be helping this become a better country. Think about it!
Anonymous | 4:50 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Mitt has too many tapes against him?!?

What difference does it make?

Obama has so many tapes in his socialists closet he could make a Marx's Halloween movie!

/the media will love it.
Mitt is fit | 5:00 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Obama has been all over the media for good and for evil.
Any student of politics 101 will tell you that that is great. Keep your face and name out there always.

Even when they talked bad about him it made others feel sorry for him.

Mitt Romney is good at it also.

/now he just needs more political money.
JMT | 5:02 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
When I hear talk of Mitt for President there are two things that come to mind. The first is socialized medicine done the Romney way in Massachusetts. It is a financial and performance disaster and VERY similar to what Hillary Clinton proposed. Second, the fact that he raised FEES by $700 million and claimed he didn't increase taxes. While true it is his own "depends on what the definition of 'is' is" moment,

I like the guy but simply think he is another Rino who mocks Repubicans. And I'm not so sure he would not have also jumped in bed with the current $700 billion bailout.

Nothing to love in Romney yet.
I'm glad the GOP is tanking | 5:17 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
I am a conservative woman. A mother of 8. I have special needs kids and a 17 yr old who is preparing for college, not a shotgun wedding with my newborn as the ringbearer.

Palin is not a good example to our daughters. She is teaching by example, that motherhood is just a photo op. Career First. Family whenever you can get around to it, and when you can charge the state for it. McCain is no better. Maybe it's time to release the reins of power, so we can get our act back on track. Raise the standards and bar for our leadership. Stop walking lockstep. Send the clear message to the GOP that we want leadership again. We want to be able to vote without holding noses. We need to be the party of linclon again, and not the party of Dobbson and Palin. It's time to wander in the wilderness for 4 years. The Jewish people had to do it for 40. We only have to wander for a 10th of the time, if we do the hard work during that time!
Which do I want? | 5:32 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
NEITHER of them. The country could do a lot better without either of them. I'm hoping Chuck Hagel will decide to run.
CP | 5:40 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
Oh PLEASE not Sarah Palin!! The elections for this year with the candidates running now is a big enough nightmare!!!!
4th Generation Californian | 6:08 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
To Anonymous who said:
"I bet the LDS' involvement in Prop H8 and meddling in the constitution of CA will be a really good endorsement of a Mormon in the White House and how non-Mormon Americans can feel good about that!

Yup! I betcha!"

I thought that was what this country was all about-being able to express and influence your opinion on any issue regardless of race or religion. Are you saying that if I am LDS I or my church cannot defend beliefs that are central to my religion? What religion are you? Do you have a right to express your views on gay marriage?

Yup! I betcha!
liberal Larry | 6:17 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
If Romney can go back to the drawing board and figure out who he is, he has a shot at the 2012 nomination. He could have gotten away with his liberal conversion to the left, to get elected governor, but his last swing to the right to mollify the wacky religious right, for his resent presidential run, was just too much. Ironically, McCain probably got nominated because he appeared to be more centrist, in his stands, a spot Mitt could have just slide into if he had maintained his integrity, and not tried to appeal to the evangelicals.
Enough With The Fake History | 6:27 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
White Horse at 1:14 wrote:

"No doubt there could be a white horse in the white house by 2012!"

Check your history, there was NO White Horse prophecy ever uttered by Joesph Smith. I for one am sick of Mormons using fake prophecy and history to build their faith and drive their agenda.

When we have so much of substance why do we continually fall back on fake facts and sentimentalism.

Get real!

jenny | 6:36 a.m. Oct. 28, 2008
I don't care for Mitt R but the GOP would be stupid to put Sarah Palin out there for 2012 as she is phonier than Mitt but not the best choice for a woman in such a high position. She may have the gift of the gab but come on, smarts she ain't got

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