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...Really?
And this is another reason I go to UVU. I'm LDS, but I think this is beyond stupid.
BYU should show some class and give this guy his degree. Presumably lots of non-Mormons earn degrees from BYU, and they're not LDS members in good standing!
I think there are probably mroe things than selling a calendar that have cost him his membership. Hymn number 118
Don't think Chad is the only one BYU has dissed. Remember Jim McMahon, One of the greatest quarterbacks BYU has ever fielded. For you young readers, he led BYU in a stunning comeback in the Holiday Bowl in his senior year and then went on to win a Super Bowl for the Chicago Bears. Problem was, he did like a party. BYU kept him on the team (parties and all) and relished in the Holiday Bowl win. But then kicked him out of school the following semester for honor code issues. Methinks it may be BYU that has no honor. Believe me, I was all blue until the McMahon thing.... now color me red!
Until you all know the whole or rest of the story hold onto your rocks.
I find this whole thing crazy. He wasn't active for six years but he continued at the Y? And now he won't be getting a diploma? Is this as confussing to everyone else as it is to me? Slap on a football jersey, a basketball jersey, ect and this wouldn't even be a big deal.
We have the whole story. BYU is holding Chad's diploma ransom until Chad returns as a member of the LDS church in good standing...which they know will never happen. What low class. He finished all his required classes. To withhold his diploma is nothing short of classless. Acts like this are starting to define the Monson era.
So, if he has been inactive for 6 years, how has he managed to get an ecclesiastical endorsement and study at BYU? And if he is so inactive, why did he want to study at BYU?
Did Chad actually serve a mission? Where and when? And why did the Church excommunicate Chad? The article makes it sound like it was for standing in front of a camera shirtless. I hardly think that was the reason (think of all the swimmers on the BYU swim team!).
Had the reporter ever spoken with Chad? This article leaves a lot of questions.
BYU needs to apply the Honor Code to athletes, and NOW! This is unacceptable.
The Church does not publish or broadcast any of the finding,and reasons that come out in church disciplinary councils. You couldn't possibly have all the facts and to make such a rash judgement on what little information you have in this or any case like this. Easy to judge when you don't know all the facts! Been there done that many, many times.
Hey, I'm just a 50 year old guy with a Masters Degree, and this cracks me up.
The younger generation sign their name to a legal document, they understand the terms, and all of a sudden think they are "more clever" than everyone else, break the terms, and wonder why their "cleverness" can't get them out of their situation.
Cleverness cannot be substituted for honor, intelligence, wisdom, loyalty, or integrity.
Our whole housing market fell because of the "cleverness" of the lenders and people buying the homes.
Rules do fit everyone. Don't start whining for this little man-child. He'll be fine. He's too clever.
What a funny, funny diploma-less guy.
Chenney spoke at BYU
I bought a car, I maintained it, I bought new tires, and when they repossessed it, they were picking me out to punish me.
I did makes some payments, and most were late, but I was two payments short!!! I did almost everthing I committed to.
Why did I not get the title to the car?
I honestly think that if the LDS church has an issue with a bunch of return missionaries choosing to take some shirtless pictures, than they need to take a better look at all thier supposedly good standing members. If promoting these types of pictures is enough to excummincate someone, they'd probley lose at least 75% of all thier members to excummincation if people were even half honest. Plus taking away this guy's diploma at this point is just totally BYU and the LDS church abusing thier power. When he was excummincated he already had his credits. Then there's the cost, what about all of his school expences? Are they just going to tell him that he's going to lose it? Like I said, this is abuse of power. I guess the church must need to show that they are still the one's with the power, because if you go to church and put on a rightous face, you don't have to fear being excummincated. Decided what's right for you and do it. If you have act like you belive in something you really don't to make others aknowledge you, than it's thier problem, not yours.
Nobody should be surprised that the administrative beaurocrats at BYU have pulled off a stunt like this. There are way too many administrators at the Y who think they are called of God and inspired to manipulate the lives of students. The power gets to their heads, and things like this happen. Certain administrators are the worst thing about BYU, which I otherwise thoroughly enjoyed as a student. Even President Benson warned us multiple times of the dangers of beaurocracies, especially in the church.
If I were Chad, I'd be initially incensed. On the other hand, a resume that states "BS, BYU (revoked)" is worth more than a regular BYU degree. I have two degrees from BYU that are worth less than that.
For some reason, all posters to the Deseret News website lack spelling skills and have an anti-Mormon agenda. I sure wish the Deseret News would require registration for these boards.
Once again BYU shows their true colors.
Hypocricy at it's best.
Why is it that the "pointing finger" people hold such weight in our faith. Whatever happened to Christlike kindness, the golden rule, and all that. Are we really so small minded as this?
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