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McCain, Obama clash on cause, cure for econ crisis
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Surprised | 6:21 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I'm surprised some out-of-state campaign worker hasn't already posted
on here pretending to be a Utahn claiming Obama won the debate (before it even
started).
Hindsight is 20-20 | 6:39 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I think that in hindsight, McCain would have been much better off selecting
Mitt, because his strong point is the economy, whereas Sarah is just coming off
like a chattering gossip.
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Fair Play | 6:59 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
This should be a good debate. I'm for Obama by a long shot thus far, and
don't think that anything McCain says will sway me from that, but of
course, I'm willing to listen to his points as well as Obama's. For
his party's sake, I hope he does a little better than his running mate. How
sad that so many were impressed by Palin because she managed to for coherent
sentences and answer MOST of the questions. Between her and George Bush, its
hard to argue that the Republican mind-set is not responsible for the terrible
state of this country.
Unfortunately, I don't think McCain will help their cause.
Guess this year I side with the Democrats.
Unfortunately, I don't think McCain will help their cause.
Guess this year I side with the Democrats.
an macain fan | 7:12 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Im for MaCain all the way any one how says not look at obamas speech an tottally
rip off.
MaCain will win
MaCain will win
Lies & more Lies | 7:18 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
McCain and Obama -> Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
Like it or not | 7:44 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
These are our two choices. You can waste your vote on Ralph Nader or Ron Paul
or whoever, but it's going to be one of these two men who will become the
leader of the free world.
Now I've never voted for a Democrat in my life, but I'll watch the debate and see what both of these guys have to say. Neither of them are squeaky clean, but for all that they have to put up with, we're lucky anyone is willing to run.
Let's give them a listen.
Now I've never voted for a Democrat in my life, but I'll watch the debate and see what both of these guys have to say. Neither of them are squeaky clean, but for all that they have to put up with, we're lucky anyone is willing to run.
Let's give them a listen.
C.L. | 7:47 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Where do I go to renegotiate my home loan?
OOPs, I forgot, I bought a home I could afford and paid it off early! Maybe I should go and buy another home I CANNOT afford and see if I can get the government to help me pay for that one!
SWEET DEAL if you can get it, and have no moral principles whatsoever!
OOPs, I forgot, I bought a home I could afford and paid it off early! Maybe I should go and buy another home I CANNOT afford and see if I can get the government to help me pay for that one!
SWEET DEAL if you can get it, and have no moral principles whatsoever!
Tell a lie enough times... | 7:52 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Wow, last week Biden, now Obama is saying Global Warming is all man made. When
and where has this ever been proven?
For that matter, does Global Warming even exist? From the Oregon Coast, north to Alaska, 2008 has been the coldest summer on record. Where exactly is this warming taking place??
For that matter, does Global Warming even exist? From the Oregon Coast, north to Alaska, 2008 has been the coldest summer on record. Where exactly is this warming taking place??
Mack kain | 7:59 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Desperate!
George Washington | 8:18 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Neither of these jokers will fix anything. They are both part of the problem,
the corruption, and the cronyism. Revolution is the solution!!
to like it or not | 8:20 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Obama will win, I don't like it, but thats the reality. McCain will lose
because he supported the bailout, and thus lost many conservative voters. He
also took too long to put Sarah Palin doing speeches, otherwise, the numbers
would be reversed. My point is: I'm voting for an undetermined 3rd party
just to show BOTH parties that a 3rd party COULD be viable. What we need is for
a 3rd party to be viable enough to sort of "force" the two main
parties to at least be different. McCain's social policies sound democratic
and Obama's fiscal policies sound Republican (kind of like the difference
between Ford and Chevy)in other words, who cares, they both get you down the
road!
Voting for a 3rd party in any sort of numbers (5-10 percent) at least makes the major parties notice that they're being watched!
If McCain would have opposed the bailout he would have shown that he's not another Bush instead of just saying it.
The Obama vs. McCain poll numbers would probably be reversed.
Voting for a 3rd party in any sort of numbers (5-10 percent) at least makes the major parties notice that they're being watched!
If McCain would have opposed the bailout he would have shown that he's not another Bush instead of just saying it.
The Obama vs. McCain poll numbers would probably be reversed.
GWB | 8:33 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
John, do I get to renegotiate my mortgage too? Do I have to skip a payment
first? How do I get that Mr. McCain?
It is funny to see the CNN focus group responses. Each time McCain attacks and goies negative, so does the line. I have yet to see the lines go negative during Obama's talk time.
It is funny to see the CNN focus group responses. Each time McCain attacks and goies negative, so does the line. I have yet to see the lines go negative during Obama's talk time.
Rep turned Dem | 8:36 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
McCain shoots from the hip and doesn't think through his ideas. Picking
his VP from a half hour interview. Solve the economic crisis by resetting the
loan amount for those in foreclosure? Who is going to determine the new loan
amount? The same appraisers who artificially inflated values are now going to
be pressured to artificially deflate values. So what happens to the value of
the house next door that isn't in foreclosure trouble. This would just
cause more corruption and problems. As much as I used to side with Republicans,
this Maverick just doesn't appear to think things through very well.
Barbs | 8:48 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
They look somewhat even when they trade punches on the economy but once they
turn to foreign policy Obama looks totally out of his element. His pauses
increase and his answers seem to be more like empty talking points without
passion. McCain really looks even better than the first debate but I am sure
when I turn watch the post debate coverage all the liberal pundits will say
"Obama put on a performance of a lifetime" while they will diss McCain
and call him old or have a problem with him writing down things on his legal
pad. Another annoying thing was how impatient Obama was with Brokaw when he
wanted to keep the rules of the debate.
Anonymous | 8:50 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
so let me predict the responses to the debate that just ended. All republicans
will say McCain won and all decorated will say Obama won! I KnOW I AM GOIGN WAY
OUT ON A LIMB HERE
Anonymous | 8:52 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Eenie Minnie minie moe,
Catch a LIAR by the toe,
If it hollers just vote NO!
Eenie Minnie minie moe.
Neither candidate was very impressive...
Catch a LIAR by the toe,
If it hollers just vote NO!
Eenie Minnie minie moe.
Neither candidate was very impressive...
Genius | 9:17 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I'm just so shocked to see that McCain and Obama clashed on issues . . .
Who would ever guess that opponents would clash on issues . . .
we have to pick one? | 9:20 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I don't trust either McCain or Obama,
but I don't trust Obama more.
And I have to say it was the most boring debate I ever saw.
I didn't know they had debate reruns.
but I don't trust Obama more.
And I have to say it was the most boring debate I ever saw.
I didn't know they had debate reruns.
Iron Cold Steve | 9:24 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Get use to "President Barrack Obama"
1. He pulls the troops out of Iraq, the MID East will turn into a firestrom - How many dead Jews?
2. He will socialize medicine, get ready for the biggest tax increase in history.
3. He will appoint a liberal supreme court. There goes the 2nd amendment.
4. He will gather all guns except law enforcement
5. We will go green, get use to riding a bus or a scooter to work and one piece of toilet paper per event.
Life will get worse as we know it.
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE !!!
1. He pulls the troops out of Iraq, the MID East will turn into a firestrom - How many dead Jews?
2. He will socialize medicine, get ready for the biggest tax increase in history.
3. He will appoint a liberal supreme court. There goes the 2nd amendment.
4. He will gather all guns except law enforcement
5. We will go green, get use to riding a bus or a scooter to work and one piece of toilet paper per event.
Life will get worse as we know it.
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE !!!
good debate? | 9:28 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Fair Play | 6:59 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
This should be a good debate?~~
I wish The Beverly Hillbilly's had been on another channel.
At least Mr.Drysdale the banker had some creditability.
Old Jed's a millionaire.
Everybody sing!
This should be a good debate?~~
I wish The Beverly Hillbilly's had been on another channel.
At least Mr.Drysdale the banker had some creditability.
Old Jed's a millionaire.
Everybody sing!
Anonymous | 9:43 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I shall vote for Obama. The debate didn't change that.
Housing Bailout??? | 9:48 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
McCain must be drunk on Potomac fever like there is no bottom to the deep
pockets of Uncle Sam. Tonight he proposed a $300B bailout for homeowners, the
specifics of which are staggering. He wants to "reset" the mortgage
values to today's values, fix the interest rates in the mortgages and
forgive the debt portion of the negative equity to keep people in their homes.
He's sounding more like a spendthrift Democrat than a penny pinching
Republican. As far as I'm concerned he's lost all credibility. I am
frankly amazed that anyone can seriously consider voting for either one of these
idiots. I never thought I'd say it when this election cycle began, but Ron
Paul is the only one today who's still holding the line. Neither one will
commit to belt tightening and ratcheting back on the out of control spending
that has produced this deep deep hole we're in economically. Are they so
stupid that they think the American citizens are going to buy their rhetoric?
It's so out of touch with reality after the events of the last several
weeks that it boggles the mind! McCain is insane if he thinks he can buy votes
this way.
Re- housing bailout?? | 9:59 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I have to agree- (sad) - Tell the American voters you are going to add another
300 billion dollars to the already 700 billion dollar joke on Wall Street is
mind boggling.
McCain just went over the voters head with a Chinese lead balloon.
Now I wished I would have voted for Romney.
McCain just went over the voters head with a Chinese lead balloon.
Now I wished I would have voted for Romney.
Anonymous | 10:05 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Surprised:
Sorry, pal. I'm not an Obama campaign worker from out of state. I live and work in Utah County, I'm LDS, I was born and raised in Utah. I know, it blows some peoples' minds to discover there are LDS Utahns that are democrats... And the number of Utahn Obama supporters is growing. I wouldn't be surprised if he's turned Utah blue in four years' time.
MaCain fan:
I honestly can't tell if you are sincere or if you are making fun of ignernt republicans. Either way it's hilarious.
Sorry, pal. I'm not an Obama campaign worker from out of state. I live and work in Utah County, I'm LDS, I was born and raised in Utah. I know, it blows some peoples' minds to discover there are LDS Utahns that are democrats... And the number of Utahn Obama supporters is growing. I wouldn't be surprised if he's turned Utah blue in four years' time.
MaCain fan:
I honestly can't tell if you are sincere or if you are making fun of ignernt republicans. Either way it's hilarious.
Lisa | 10:06 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I am a republican but I am ANGRY that we arent being told the truth. I can
handle it. Why does Washington assume we dont have the brains to handle it? I
understand its not just politicians and corporate America at fault here, so are
we. What I dont appreiciate is not being told what is happening It is my right
to know how and what they are doing with the BILLIONS of dollars. If a
republican President cant tell me then I may take my vote elsewhere. I love our
Governor and really like my local elected officials. Its just a little hard to
swallow the lack of information we arent recieving. I wont just sit back and
smile at such rampant disrespect we are receiving. I fully expect to make
sacrifices financially for the good of my wonderful country , I would also like
to know I am not being taken for a very expensive ride with a unknown
destination. This year I am voting for the one who tells me the truth. I hope
they both can get down to the issues and give it to us straight.....we really
can handle it.
To: To tell a lie | 10:09 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Ummm.? McCain/Leiberman on a roadtrip trying to figure about those greenhouse
gases that are effecting our environment. You saw he said that right?
Alternative fuels are necessary. YOUR buddy said that.
Housing bailout/healthcare | 10:14 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
and a couple of other issues of McCain's weren't explained as how he
was going to pay for them. Taking away from Medicare and Medicaid now that my
401K has been halfed will now mean I'll need to work much longer before I
can retire.
Getting rid of earmarks, especially when you're signing bills with earmarks, will be difficult. I'm just sorry I didn't buy a bigger house, I can use the space, but I always thought you were supposed to buy what you could pay for. Silly me, if McCain's idea goes through at least someone who couldn't afford my dream house will get it.
Getting rid of earmarks, especially when you're signing bills with earmarks, will be difficult. I'm just sorry I didn't buy a bigger house, I can use the space, but I always thought you were supposed to buy what you could pay for. Silly me, if McCain's idea goes through at least someone who couldn't afford my dream house will get it.
Bill from South Dakota | 10:18 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
The "debate" was uneventful, uninspiring, and both candidates are
unpalatable. McCain appears to be expending the least effort possible by a
candidate. Does he really want to win? I'm voting for a
yet-to-be-determined 3rd pary or write-in.
Foreclosure Victims | 10:21 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Interesting how gamblers on housing are now considered victims. The candidates
clearly believe the american people are clueless sheep and they are probably
right since we continue to elect liars to offer hollow rhetoric while never
telling the truth. I think I should take the equity out of my home and dispense
it to those who gambled on a bigger home and have likely made few payments with
no down payment. Why do they even call it "their" home, when they
have no skin in the game.
marty | 10:27 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I know that not everyone likes Glenn Beck. But with regard to this economic
crisis, he has laid out a very nice history of its development in an open letter
to his family (see his website). This is not a Republican or Democrat caused
problem. It was caused by greed and political pandering for votes by members of
both parties. If you want a good education (needed to be able to direct the
recovery) give it a read.
20-20 is right | 10:33 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Not choosing Mitt was a blunder of historic proportions. Even people who
don't like Mitt Romney will tell you that he is a whiz in business. Even
liberals in Massachusetts respect the budget he passed and his sensible
compromise on healthcare, so Massachusetts is the only state with 100% health
insurance.
Sarah Palin adds zero economic credibility to the ticket, and I just can't imagine Palin as president. (OK, before I am accused of sexism: I can easily imagine Condi Rice or even Hillary Clinton as president.)
The more I think about it, the more think that choosing Palin over Mitt tells me something is not right with McCain's judgment.
Sarah Palin adds zero economic credibility to the ticket, and I just can't imagine Palin as president. (OK, before I am accused of sexism: I can easily imagine Condi Rice or even Hillary Clinton as president.)
The more I think about it, the more think that choosing Palin over Mitt tells me something is not right with McCain's judgment.
Anonymous | 10:35 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
McCain looked cranky, annoyed, out of touch. Obama was personable, polished,
charismatic, and connected with the audience. This is gonna be a landslide. Bomb
bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran, that was classic.
re Tell a lie enough times... | 10:43 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
The effects of global warming are not limited solely to the warming of the
climate. Sure, your facts of cold summers might be true, but why do you think
that is? A natural occurrence? Maybe, but rises in climate temp can be far
reaching and latent, such as messing with the seasons. Its incredibly tough to
explain, but do a little reading and it might make sense. Until then, try to
keep an open mind.
re:cl | 10:44 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
congratulations dude, your our hero! So I guess your on the side of giving and
bailing out Wall St. and the banks with the 700 bil., instead of using the money
to help the people who were suckerd into these adjustable loans be able to redo
there Mortgage and keep the home and stop all the fore closers in there tracks,
which is what the excuse was why the banks needed the bailout in the first
place.
re:Housing Bailout | 10:53 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Sorry but as hard as this is to swallow, McCain is right on that issue. The
banks are crying for bailouts because of overwhelming fore closers. The only way
to stop this problem is at the core, and that would be letting these people the
opportunity to redo these terable adjustable loans, otherwise this problem will
go on and on and get worse, instead of dumping all these empty devalued
properties on the markets not to mention spending billions keeping insolvent
banks afloat.
dirk | 10:54 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Get over your love affair with Mitt Romney! Geeze!
Anonymous | 10:55 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
20-20 is right: Mitt, like green Jell-O is a Utah acquired taste. I haven't
had Jell-O in thirty-five years.
McCain in the membrane | 11:03 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Here's another LDS Utahn who's voting Democrat this year. I don't
just side with one side or another because my "culture" dictates
that's what I do. I think for myself, gather the needed information, and
make an educated decision based on the dictates of my conscience. Just as my
church leaders advice me I should. If they advised me to do anything else, they
wouldn't be my church leaders.
Besides, McCain is corrupt and stupid, and by now we all know what that combo in the oval office amounts to...
Besides, McCain is corrupt and stupid, and by now we all know what that combo in the oval office amounts to...
Tell a Lie Enough Times... | 11:04 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Oh, I have no doubt that there is climate change. Always has existed and
probably always will. What is not known and cannot be proven is what % of the
climate changes are man-made and what is a natural cycle. The fact is, no one
knows.
That doesn't mean we don't need to take better care of the planet, but the scare tactics of the left are not needed. Anyone that can't see that Al Gore's mission is nothing more than a money/power grab ought to look into that bridge up in Ketchikan.
For Gore's part, he's still flying around in his buddy's 757, driving an SUV, and living with his family of 4 in a 10,000 square foot mansion. Ditto Alec Baldwin, Michael Moore, Streisand, Clooney, Sarah Jessica Parker, et al.
See, to the liberal elites, making real changes to help the environment (and paying more taxes, etc) is for the "commoners."
That doesn't mean we don't need to take better care of the planet, but the scare tactics of the left are not needed. Anyone that can't see that Al Gore's mission is nothing more than a money/power grab ought to look into that bridge up in Ketchikan.
For Gore's part, he's still flying around in his buddy's 757, driving an SUV, and living with his family of 4 in a 10,000 square foot mansion. Ditto Alec Baldwin, Michael Moore, Streisand, Clooney, Sarah Jessica Parker, et al.
See, to the liberal elites, making real changes to help the environment (and paying more taxes, etc) is for the "commoners."
@Tell a lie enough times... | 11:12 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
From Portland, Or
Our recent summers have nothing on 1954, which rates by far the "worst" summer ever. That year was the coldest summer -- with just an average high temperature of 70.13 degrees through the summer. It was also the second-most frequently rainy with rain on 32 of the 92 days (behind 1964's rain on 35 days.) It gets a very low Summer Sanity Index of "5".
The best summer? 1967. That was the warmest summer on record -- 82.76 degrees and good for "100" on the index, and the driest with just 4 rainy days that summer -- all in June -- to give it a perfect Summer Sanity Index of 100.
So what about this summer (2008)? For Portland, it wasn't too shabby, rating a 50.5 -- just about the most normal summer you can expect. The average temperature was 77.55 degrees -- slightly above average and good for a score of 59.
As for rain, it was just a little wetter than average, with 22 rainy days compared to the average of 19, scoring 42 on the Index.
Who's lying?
Our recent summers have nothing on 1954, which rates by far the "worst" summer ever. That year was the coldest summer -- with just an average high temperature of 70.13 degrees through the summer. It was also the second-most frequently rainy with rain on 32 of the 92 days (behind 1964's rain on 35 days.) It gets a very low Summer Sanity Index of "5".
The best summer? 1967. That was the warmest summer on record -- 82.76 degrees and good for "100" on the index, and the driest with just 4 rainy days that summer -- all in June -- to give it a perfect Summer Sanity Index of 100.
So what about this summer (2008)? For Portland, it wasn't too shabby, rating a 50.5 -- just about the most normal summer you can expect. The average temperature was 77.55 degrees -- slightly above average and good for a score of 59.
As for rain, it was just a little wetter than average, with 22 rainy days compared to the average of 19, scoring 42 on the Index.
Who's lying?
Re: what??! | 11:17 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
You said:
"Maybe it happened because Obama really IS ahead, and he's going to beat those old white republican dudes back into obscurity for awhile."
Pointing out someone's skin color is unnecessary. If you do that, you think that skin color is important, but it's not. It's not any more important than the person's eye color, or hair color, or their gender.
If you bring up a person skin color, whether you seem to be for that skin color or against that skin color, that makes you a racist.
"Maybe it happened because Obama really IS ahead, and he's going to beat those old white republican dudes back into obscurity for awhile."
Pointing out someone's skin color is unnecessary. If you do that, you think that skin color is important, but it's not. It's not any more important than the person's eye color, or hair color, or their gender.
If you bring up a person skin color, whether you seem to be for that skin color or against that skin color, that makes you a racist.
Kelly | 11:24 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I've not noticed, but have we heard anything from our inept and corrupt
senators lately? They both need to be investigated and voted out! Bob Bennets
hands are all over this Fannie and Freddie disaster. #3 on the recipient money
list fallowing only Dodd and #2 Obama!
This one | 11:27 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
I'm voting for "That one"
JOHNJ | 11:31 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
What about people who RENT McCain are you going to bail us out from the
skyrocketing monthly rent hikes?
I don't think so, you have to look at the whole picture and quit leaving out the elderly, disabled, and the poor who do'nt have a house, who are working their but's off trying to live from paycheck to paycheck.
How about it? People are getting about the same as they were in 1993 on social security disability so actually were getting about 1/3 less than then.
I don't think so, you have to look at the whole picture and quit leaving out the elderly, disabled, and the poor who do'nt have a house, who are working their but's off trying to live from paycheck to paycheck.
How about it? People are getting about the same as they were in 1993 on social security disability so actually were getting about 1/3 less than then.
McCain wins Utah | 11:35 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Stop the arguing already. McCain will easily win Utah.
Obama seems to be in the driver's seat overall. But, that's why we hold the election. The polls don't decide it, real votes will. Time will tell.
Whoever wins, they have a mess to clean up. Not to mention a very divided country.
Obama seems to be in the driver's seat overall. But, that's why we hold the election. The polls don't decide it, real votes will. Time will tell.
Whoever wins, they have a mess to clean up. Not to mention a very divided country.
business | 11:42 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008
Big business is all but gone in this country, mostly due to high corp. tax. Now
Obama is targeting small business where I fit in and I can tell you folks, most
of us small business cannot take on anymore taxes. Big business can afford to
just pack up and leave, small business either lays off and cuts back or closes
the doors. Think about that when you look at the company you work for.
Obama Won The Debate | 12:54 a.m. Oct. 8, 2008
And will win by a landslide in Nov!
this one | 8:41 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
is voting for "THAT ONE"!
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Maybe it happened because Obama really IS ahead, and he's going to beat those old white republican dudes back into obscurity for awhile.