Deseret News | Hats off to Sakoda, Rams, Aggies, Cougs

Reader comments
Dick Harmon: Hats off to Sakoda, Rams, Aggies, Cougs

118 comments | Read story

Page:
< Previous
1
2
3

SoCal | 9:19 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

Hey everybody, this SoCal fellow must be pretty insecure about his fellow Utes to be posting every other comment. Either that or he is insanely jealous about the pub that BYU is getting over his beloved team. Which one do you all think it is?

re: SoCalUtahFan | 9:26 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

Words cannot describe the utter nonsense you expound.

I'd try to explain how wrong you are, but as Mark Twain once said:

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

Fully Invested | 9:53 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

SoCalUteFan, do you never learn? It's quite obvious that Ute fans are bugged by the fact that BYU is Ranked higher than Utah in the AP, Coaches, and Harris polls. Otherwise, why would you keep bringing it up when the BCS poll comes out on Oct. 19. I actually hope BYU is behind Utah in that first BCS poll because they are a different team when they have a chip on their shoulder.

Which makes me wonder. Wouldn't you think the Utes would be a bit upset about the lack of respect given by the voters. Instead they are, in the words of Ute fans, pulling out lucky wins over the likes of Michigan(who is bad this year), OSU, and Air Force.

Just admit that you're upset about the rankings, and let it go until Oct. 19, or better yet until Nov. 23, when the computer rankings really mean something.

Comments continue below

so let me get this straight | 10:20 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

Matt Asiata scores in the 4th quarter and that is consider resting your first stringers most of the second half? Sounds like running up the score to me in the 4th with a 1st stringer.

BTW the SOS thing is nothing but crap for crap. All that matters is W and L at the end of the season.

Hey Crowton Lover...if utah wins games that give the mwc credibility, why have you not won more mwc championships beyond your some urban legend years? Answer is: The utes don't play anyone. Period. TCU is the team that has carried the mwc since entering the league with their win over Oklahoma.

BTW don't forget that when utah got a lucky invite to arizona in 2004, their BSC opponents record was 23-24 combined. That's inpressive!

2008: BYU 41 Utah 9

Oregonian | 10:57 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

((NIU / Weber State) + (4th quarter of UCLA - yards after contact (YAC)) / (Lou Holtz + USU) * (SOS + 2004 Fiesta Bowl)) =

1. UNLV
2. Seton Hall (Basketball)
3. Utah Red Rocks
4. Dallas Cowboys
5. BYU

I'm going to bed.....

re:fully invested | 11:56 p.m. Oct. 7, 2008

Sorry but to say that utah fans are jealous of your ranking is silly. First off one of the polls your cited doesn't count for anything so throw the AP out, now we've got utah 13th and byu at and average of 8.5. Seems to me thats closer than where we started with utah unranked (#28) and byu at #17. So we've closed the gap, thats all I can ask for at this point, and we will continue to close the gap as it gets harder and harder for byu to move up the last couple spots and utah still has a few more potential teams ahead of them losing to help them move up. To those trying to discredit SOS, welcome to my life circa 2004, deal with it, whether you like it or not it matters, the reason utah fans mention it now is because we don't want byu fans actin all surprised and hurt when utah is either ahead of your team in the BCS standings or at the very worse one or two spots behind, in esence still gaining ground. As I mentioned before non of it matter cause both teams are high enough that 12-0=BCS

re:so let me get this straight | 12:08 a.m. Oct. 8, 2008

how can you state that SOS is "crap for crap" and then say utah was lucky to get invited to the fiesta bowl because their BCS opponents record was 23-24? You can't have it both ways son, either SOS doesn't matter or it does...and I'll even answer that for ya. As a Utah fan who saw my team that deserved a chance and was talented enough to play any of the teams ahead of them and at least go 5/10, but got shafted and had to play Pitt who the BCS gave a ranking to just to avoid embarassment and the only complaint that could ever be brought against that team by the people that wanted to keep us out...SOS, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it does matter, and even if you do beat utah but you don't go to a NC game it will be for the same reason, is sad I know but its true all of us who have to hope that our OOC teams are good when we play them because our leagues are rated low all feel the same pain, this year it happens to be working in utah favor compared to byu.

Re: FullyInvested... | 6:45 a.m. Oct. 8, 2008

...and "SoCal|9:19PM" & "Re:SoCal|9:26PM"
Sorry that you don't have logical support for your team not being over-rated in human polls so you have to instead use negative words like insecure, jealous, etc to call me (and other Utah fans).
It's true that it's not BYU's fault that UCLA and UW are so bad this year --though may be that's why BYU is still unbeaten. (No explanation for NIA on the schedule though).
I am not upset about rankings --just want to prove a point about SOS and computer rankings.
And it's true that I feel Utah was lucky to escape Michigan with a win --but then most teams that left the Big House with a win would feel lucky too.
And Utah is lucky that the offense came to live in time to score 11-straight points in just a few minutes to beat OSU --a team that 7 days before whipped #1 ranked USC.

SoCalUtahFan

Fully Invested | 8:03 a.m. Oct. 8, 2008

To re:fully invested and CoCalUteFan,

I don't believe for one minute that you are trying to soften the blow for Cougar fans. BTW we're okay. I know that SOS matters; on Oct. 19 and Nov. 23. Until we play Utah, I could care les about SOS. I actually worry more about winning the rest of our games. What difference does it make if we lose? and unlike you guys, I don't care if BYU falls behind Utah in the polls. I put about as much stock in the polls as you guys do. What's more important is how my team plays from week to week. Last week was not good for either team. Utah should have won by two touchdowns. So what point are you trying to prove about computer rankings that we don't get? I think you are still bothered; just a little bit. It's ok to admit it. You'll feel better.

12-0? | 3:32 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008

Being half way through the season, both sides seem to take it for granted that they will finish undefeated. Very few teams every accomplish that, it is very difficult to not have at least one bad game or play a team that is really pumped up to bring you down. I think it would be better to just take things one game at a time.

Both of these teams have shown plenty of problems and weaknesses that could come back to haunt them against even a mediocre team. Either one could easily have 1 or 2 loses now. Don't expect to the MWC to cower in fear at the mighty cougs/utes, they will be very excited to knock us off. Remember, neither team has played anyone that even has hope of going to a bowl or of having descent seasons. Wait until we play somebody who actually still has some fight in them...

AP Poll | 3:39 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008

"First off one of the polls your cited doesn't count for anything so throw the AP out,"

Obviously you don't know much about college football history.

The AP poll may not be included in the BCS rankings, but it does COUNT FOR A LOT.

The AP has been around since 1936. When teams like Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, etc., talk about winning past national championships, they're usually refering to being selected as national champions in the AP poll.

And, despite the BCS cartel, the AP STILL selects a National Champion.

Remember in 2005 when Texas and USC played for the National Championship and Pete Carroll was talking about a three-peat (and there was talk of copyright infringement because another coach coined the phrase). Three-peat was used because USC was playing for their 3rd National Championship in a row.

Guess what, they didn't win the BCS title in 2003! That was LSU! But, the Trojans did win the AP National Championship in 2003.

To say that they AP poll "doesn't count for anything" because of the invention of the BCS shows a complete lack of understanding and appreciation of college football history.

good so far but .... | 5:05 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008

the U and Y are really good this year and the game in Salt Lake will go to the wire with either one capable of winning. The TCU game for the Y will be TOUGH. TCU is an athletic team that feeds off turn overs especially at home. Utah has the best schedule by far with home games against both TCU and BYU.

SoCal again | 6:51 p.m. Oct. 8, 2008

99% of people that say that BYU is overrated in the human polls are Ute fans. Is that logical enough for ya?
BTW, I was calling YOU insecure and jealous, etc., not Utah fans, since you seem to need to post every other comment with all these ridiculous facts as to why Utah is more legitimate than BYU in the polls. Somehow you think the computer polls are more accurate since they happen to favor the Utes in certain ways. The human polls, since BYU is ranked higher at the moment, must be wrong because they don't favor your team. Is that correct?
Next....

Re SoCal again | 11:13 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008

It's not just Ute fans that have been saying that BYU is overrated. Have read the articles about the Cougars on cnnsi.com lately? Didn't think so. As far as "legitimate" goes, BOTH the Cougars and the Utes are undefeated. You can't say that's not "legitimate", because last I checked, USC LOST to Oregon State. Didn't Utah just beat Oregon State? So tell me, in your eyes with winning and losing and "legitimate" polls, who are the "legitimate" teams? Maybe Washington?

Re SoCal again | 12:42 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008

It's not just the Ute fans saying BYU is overrated, (apparently I can't name my source though because my post gets knocked down) but there are quite a few national publications saying that BYU is overrated. Either way, BYU and Utah are both undefeated. Last I checked, USC lost to Oregon State. Didn't Utah just beat Oregon State? Anyway, since neither of them are "legitimate", who, in your eyes is? Washington maybe? Maybe you're just insecure and jealous because your team has a loss?

RE: 11:13 & 12:42 | 7:09 p.m. Oct. 9, 2008

Apparently you're a little confused. I'm not a USC fan, so it doesn't bother me in the least that they have a loss. I was commenting to SoCalUteFan or whatever his moniker is regarding prior comments posted.
Of course national publications are going to say BYU is overrated. Are they from a BCS conference? No. So what else are they going to say? If Utah eventually gets in the top ten, they will probably say the same thing about them.
By using the word legitimate, I was saying that many Ute fans think that BYU's record/ranking isn't valid because of one reason or another.
Obviously, the vast majority of the media believes BYU isn't overrated or they wouldn't keep voting for them to be where they are in the polls. I'm just saying that no matter what BYU does, many Ute fans will always say they are overrated, whether it is justified or not.

Re: Re | 12:06 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

I guess I was confused. I'm sorry for the USC bashing (I still hate them though). Either way, my point is it's not just Ute fans that say BYU is overrated. It's the rest of the country as well. I haven't heard one thing this year talking about BYU that said they weren't overrated. The only people who think BYU is NOT overrated are BYU fans. I'm not knocking on BYU, they have a good team. Just not worthy of 8th in the country. It's not just the Ute fans saying it. We just happen to agree with the rest of the country.

he coulda said.... | 5:40 p.m. Oct. 10, 2008

Utah State put up 2 TDs on the STARTING BYU DEFENSE!! More than they put up on the Utah Reserves in the 4th quarter of that game.

Page:
< Previous
1
2
3

Add your comment

Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 words or containing URLs will not be posted.

Words Remaining

E-mail address: For internal use only. We may want to contact you to publish your comment (not your e-mail address) in the newspaper or for a separate story idea.