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U.S. didn't hate Palin's performance; Utah loved her
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junglejim123 | 7:11 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
When you poll teenboppers with their text messaging you arent getting the whole
picture. But tune in November when you will see how many of us " middle
class bitter people " really feel about Obama !! We do not feel safe with
him based on his radical associations. How can you feel safe with someone who
pals around with and works on committes with radicals who are proud that they
conspired to blow up government buildings, kill people and feel that they
haven't done enough ????? You want those people in the White House ??
Obama can talk all he wants but many of us arent buying his radical agenda !!!
No Bama 2008 !!!!
Olivier G | 7:14 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
The way some folks - journalists and "pundits" included - seem to be
convinced that Mrs Palin "won" the debate beats me...
How is that possible?
The impression fits with the overall theme that Ms. Palin and Senator John McCain have been trying to advance: that expertise is overrated, homespun sincerity is better than sophistication, conviction is more important than analysis.
It just can't be... Unless substance has been devalued to such an extent that it urgently needs an intellectual bailout...
Voters judging Ms. Palin�s performance should focus on the governing philosophy that is symbolized by her speech style, not the red herrings of accent or dialect.
In modern society, fractured as it is into myriad interest groups and microgroups, any attempt to define the interests of the "average person" will be so general as to be useless.
Do we want a "folksy" America?
How is that possible?
The impression fits with the overall theme that Ms. Palin and Senator John McCain have been trying to advance: that expertise is overrated, homespun sincerity is better than sophistication, conviction is more important than analysis.
It just can't be... Unless substance has been devalued to such an extent that it urgently needs an intellectual bailout...
Voters judging Ms. Palin�s performance should focus on the governing philosophy that is symbolized by her speech style, not the red herrings of accent or dialect.
In modern society, fractured as it is into myriad interest groups and microgroups, any attempt to define the interests of the "average person" will be so general as to be useless.
Do we want a "folksy" America?
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Toby | 7:16 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
"She wasn't awful" coming from the Washington Post is a ringing
endorsment of her performance. She must have done much better than I thought.
Texas reader | 7:17 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
It just shows how out of touch with reality Utah voters are.
happymom | 7:29 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
my heart breaks for her newborn. i have a son her age (and i too am 44). does
she really think that running for vp is more important than caring for her
child? he needs her more than we do. don't get me wrong, i think she is a
great lady. but one things that really ails america is the errosion of the
family. she isn't setting a very good example.
Anonymous | 7:31 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Utah is so backwater....
Max, SLC | 7:33 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Due to the fact that the debate was not a race changer, it was perfect for the
Republican party. In fact, it probably means they won the debate. The
expectation was Biden would clobber! Biden did well. He is a 35+yr politician.
We expect that. Palin wasn't as polished, but she was funny and down to
earth. She answered well enough.
* Palin (B): she exceeded expectations. no major gaffes
* Biden (B+): he was presidential (look out Obama)
* Winner: Palin - she kept up with Biden and was 'one of us'.
* Palin (B): she exceeded expectations. no major gaffes
* Biden (B+): he was presidential (look out Obama)
* Winner: Palin - she kept up with Biden and was 'one of us'.
Scared | 7:40 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
She is just what we need. Another politician that is completely unprepared and
out of her league. She's barely qualified to be a Mayor. Wake up. This is
scary stuff.
SteveD | 7:52 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Sarah pointed out that she is not an insider. That is exactly what this country
needs. Biden was slick but not well prcticed, he kept mixing up Obama and
Mccain. He was self admittedly, friends with MCcain for along time, I'm not
sure he knows who he's running with.
Cats | 7:54 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Sarah was wonderful. She hit it out of the park.
Anonymous | 7:54 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
orin hatch shuld be vp
uncannygunman | 7:55 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Utah suffers from "Wouldn't it be wonderful if" syndrome. As in
"Wouldn't it be wonderful if this get-rich quick scheme would actually
work?" As in "Wouldn't it be wonderful if our kids didn't
experiment with sex and drugs?" And, "Wouldn't it be wonderful
if that plucky hockey mom Sarah Palin was actually a better debater of national
issues than that awful old Joe Biden and can rescue our favorite party from that
awful Barack Obama?"
Just because something might be wonderful, that doesn't make it true. Quite the opposite--if it's too good to be true, it probably is!
Just because something might be wonderful, that doesn't make it true. Quite the opposite--if it's too good to be true, it probably is!
Rich | 7:56 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
I'm a Utah Native. I'm not surprised most of those asked by Dan Jones
favored Palin. We are stupid in Utah!
Anonymous | 8:05 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin winks and talks about "Joe Six Pack", but this Utahn thought
Palin didn't answer half the questions asked to her. It is obvious that she
is way out of her league here and she has no business being on a VP ticket.
Perhaps McCain should have met with her more than a couple of times and he would
have known that she can't name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade,
doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is, and believes because Putin flys in
Alaska's airspace that she has foreign policy experience. McCain got his VP
pick wrong and it cost him this election.
drew | 8:07 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Why is the DN using a former high school debater as their expert analyst?
So I played high school football. Think I should provide analysis on the NFL?
So I played high school football. Think I should provide analysis on the NFL?
Lowered Standards?? | 8:13 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
It baffles me that the expectations being so low for Palin allowed her to be
seen favorably. Would a man in her position have gotten away with her lack of
strength and knowledge of issues? Even Hillary would have been taken to task. I
actually heard Buchanan remark on how attractive she is--this qualifies her for
office??Breath of fresh air? Are foreign leaders going to embrace a VP as a
breath of fresh air? Once the winks and "goshdarnits" wear off, what
are we left with? Insulting that MCCAIN would offer this up as our choice for
the second highest office in our country. Palin should have passed on this-she
got a little starstruck, falling for what MCCAIN's advisors fed her about
being "a maverick" (uugh). Maybe with more experience, expanded
knowledge of issues and policies(actual knowledge, not regurgitating things
she's been told),just maybe she could be taken seriously. Her
unprofessional behavior wouldn't even be tolerated by most large companies.
Just another example of MCCAIN's impulsive behavior. Questionable at best.
McClain's lost | 8:13 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
McCain lost the election on his bailout vote, despite Palin's best efforts
to rescue him. He's having a devil of a time reconciling his
self-described "maverick" image with a vote where he caves in to
special-interest lobbyists and business-as-usual earmarks to the biggest
spending frivolity in history!
chris | 8:19 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Keep it real Palin is dumb as a box of nails. Not only is she not intelligent
enough to be a heartbeat away from leading this Nation, she is too dumb to be
Gov. of a State, even a sparsely populated State. Given Gramp's age and
health there is a good chance this know nothing woman could fall into the job of
Pres. and that is a scary thought.
Anonymous | 8:32 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
I suppose she's a breath of fresh air if one wants to see a fake, sassy,
uniformed person be the vice president. During the debate, she frequently
distorted the truth, or flat out lied, and displayed a high school level
knowledge of foreign policy, all while claiming she's a maverick. How is
she a maverick? Alaska leads the nation in pork. As mayor of Wasilla, she
brought in 27 million dollars for a town of 7,000 people. How is that different
from the politicians she rips? She has repeatedly, blatantly lied about her
support for the "bridge to nowhere". She has her head in the sand
about global warming. She thinks living by Canada and Russia gives her foreign
policy experience. She's not qualified, and her acceptance of the
nomination, along with McCain's choice of her, show that this team of
"mavericks" are placing politics ahead of the country.
irony | 8:43 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin and McCain, as well as Fred D are apparently unaware of the 112 US troops
who have lost their lives in Iraq in just the past five months, and the 20
killed in Baghdad bombings Thursday, and still hundreds of civilians killed
monthly in war related violence when they talk about `winning' this war
like Cheney talked about its final throes many years ago. This war with its
hundreds of thousands dead and millions of refugees, in a country that never
attacked us, opposed Al-Queda the ones who did, our own inspector Marine Scott
Ritter told us there were no WMDs, it has no winners, this isn't a football
game, it is a tragedy. What a bizarre mentality to say we shouldn't care
whether starting this war was a mistake or not, we have to go on killing people
so we can feel good about ourselves, my country right or wrong. So many
innocents dead and maimed by our `thou shalt not kill' actions. Iraq would
have changed, like Libya changed, like Romania brought down its dictator,
without empowering Iran. Not to mention 10 billion a month that could better be
used elsewhere.
Go Palin | 8:44 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin Rocks!!!
Mr. Gaffe Machine | 8:46 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
At least Palin wasn't making stuff up like Biden, but the media
doesn't seem to care that he produces more gaffes than Dan Quayle spelling
potato, Hillary dodging bullets in Kosovo, and Al Gore creating the internet
combined.
RE John | 9:02 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Fresh air?? I agree, to bad the air is between her ears. Gotta go to a soccer
game with my "six pack" now.
Jud | 9:05 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin is simply appalling. There is no judgment there, no maturity, no sense of
propriety. Compared to Biden, she sounded like a high-school kid. I actually
felt sorry for him being on the same platform with her. Please, Utahns,
can't you look past your partisanship long enough to recognize what a
terrible, juvenile choice this Palin is?
DR Don | 9:13 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
She "needs more than a wink and a smile to get by."
Yeah, she needs to be a political hack for 35 years first.
America needs "to understand what it means to elect a smiling, know -nothing to the US leadership."
I guess that eliminates Obama right there, doesn't it?
Yeah, she needs to be a political hack for 35 years first.
America needs "to understand what it means to elect a smiling, know -nothing to the US leadership."
I guess that eliminates Obama right there, doesn't it?
John | 9:19 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin demonstrated command of the issues, and core principles.
Biden demonstrated his deserved reputation as a windbag, with shocking factual errors (lies or ignorance?) about the duties of the Vice President, who kicked Hezbollah out, and Obama's statement about meeting without preconditions.
Palin is right on the principles and will make wise decisions, and render sound advice to the President.
Biden is a worthless politician who will be advising an "empty suit" whose principles are hostile to American values and traditions at their very core. Obama's other advisors include unrepentant terrorists, an America hating preacher, and convicted crooks.
Congratulations to my fellow Utahns for having the good taste to approve Palin over Biden.
Biden demonstrated his deserved reputation as a windbag, with shocking factual errors (lies or ignorance?) about the duties of the Vice President, who kicked Hezbollah out, and Obama's statement about meeting without preconditions.
Palin is right on the principles and will make wise decisions, and render sound advice to the President.
Biden is a worthless politician who will be advising an "empty suit" whose principles are hostile to American values and traditions at their very core. Obama's other advisors include unrepentant terrorists, an America hating preacher, and convicted crooks.
Congratulations to my fellow Utahns for having the good taste to approve Palin over Biden.
not ready for primetime | 9:20 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
I'd sure like to know Mrs. Palin as a neighbor or co-worker, but I
don't want her as President of the United States. The last time I voted
for someone who seemed 'regular' was George W Bush, and we know what a
disaster that has been.
The debate was impressive and interesting. Both candidates were polite and intelligent. But Sarah Palin's calls for change and young energy only convinced me even more that 72 year old McCain is not the agent of change.
Mostly because of the economy, I'm voting for Obama.
The debate was impressive and interesting. Both candidates were polite and intelligent. But Sarah Palin's calls for change and young energy only convinced me even more that 72 year old McCain is not the agent of change.
Mostly because of the economy, I'm voting for Obama.
Has anyone noticed? | 9:20 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Both parties have a really old man with experience who might die in office and
both sides have a young minority with little experience in office? These teams
are almost equally matched.
Oh Please | 9:24 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
PALIN'S INAUGURAL/PEP RALLY ADDRESS: "Gosh darn it, all you Joe
Sixpacks and Hockymoms, we're America and we're gonna kick butt. You
betcha. Go team! We're number one! We're number one! Mavericks!
Mavericks! Go fight win!"
SPECTATOR: If I move to Canada, will it cure my nausea?
SPECTATOR: If I move to Canada, will it cure my nausea?
John Harrison | 9:26 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin's goal was to stop the bleeding by not looking like an idiot. She
managed to just barely do this.
Biden's goal was to attack the policies and judgement of John McCain. He did this well.
If that was all there was to consider then Biden won for clearing a higher bar. But the fact is that most people tuned in hoping to witness a Palin train wreck unfold before their eyes. Sine this didn't happen the viewed came away with an unexpectedly positive view of her. Thus I claim that she won though I still think she's a moron and I will not vote for her ticket.
Biden's goal was to attack the policies and judgement of John McCain. He did this well.
If that was all there was to consider then Biden won for clearing a higher bar. But the fact is that most people tuned in hoping to witness a Palin train wreck unfold before their eyes. Sine this didn't happen the viewed came away with an unexpectedly positive view of her. Thus I claim that she won though I still think she's a moron and I will not vote for her ticket.
Flabbergasted | 9:28 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
THIS Utahn doesn't love her. I'm sure she's a very nice person,
but as VP or possibly President?! Horrors!
The Standard bearer | 9:30 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
She is all the right has now. Palin and Romney in 2020.
Re: Appalled | 9:35 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
You said, "Lets (sic) leave it to the people who actually have a clue and
believe in reasoning their ideas out. Enter Obama/Biden..."
Curious to know how Obama/Biden are going to pay for all their big ideas? Tax the rich and the corporations? It just doesn't pencil out, folks! And that's assuming the rich and the corporations don't find loopholes in the tax code (easy) or move their assets off shore.
Look, the only way out of this mess is PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Fewer people making $40k a year trying to look and live like they make four times that. Live on what you make. Stop trying to put in the least amount of work for the most amount of money. I'm an employer, I know.
And PLEASE stop referring to Obama and Biden as being "smarter." I'm just an "average Joe" and my IQ has been tested higher than either one of them, and more importantly, I actually know how to make change for a $5 bill. Neither of these guys have an ounce of real world business experience. So spare us. They only know one way out of the mess we're in - tax the rich. Won't work.
Curious to know how Obama/Biden are going to pay for all their big ideas? Tax the rich and the corporations? It just doesn't pencil out, folks! And that's assuming the rich and the corporations don't find loopholes in the tax code (easy) or move their assets off shore.
Look, the only way out of this mess is PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. Fewer people making $40k a year trying to look and live like they make four times that. Live on what you make. Stop trying to put in the least amount of work for the most amount of money. I'm an employer, I know.
And PLEASE stop referring to Obama and Biden as being "smarter." I'm just an "average Joe" and my IQ has been tested higher than either one of them, and more importantly, I actually know how to make change for a $5 bill. Neither of these guys have an ounce of real world business experience. So spare us. They only know one way out of the mess we're in - tax the rich. Won't work.
Debate Coach | 9:36 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Ah. Another fancy debate between VP candidates. Once again we have people
imprinting on someone they desperately hope will not embarrass them.
In a moment of robotic irony, Mrs. Palin proves to be a parody of herself.
If Tina Fey showed up at the next campaign stops and just let the poor lady get away from the big bad smart people who frustrate her so much, everything would be fine. In fact, Tina Fey could probably just take over for her the rest of the way.
She does wear lovely lipstick and who buys her clothes for her?
Hi. May I call you dupes?
In a moment of robotic irony, Mrs. Palin proves to be a parody of herself.
If Tina Fey showed up at the next campaign stops and just let the poor lady get away from the big bad smart people who frustrate her so much, everything would be fine. In fact, Tina Fey could probably just take over for her the rest of the way.
She does wear lovely lipstick and who buys her clothes for her?
Hi. May I call you dupes?
Phil | 9:36 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
What surprises is that half my neighbors (49%) thought Palin won! What's
the matter with you people? She was a blithering no-show! Biden knew his stuff,
she knew nothing! You call this serious, with her winking, "you
betcha" style, her inability to answer a simple question? Are you all as
dumb as she is?
Decided | 9:36 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
I am a republican. But this crazy idea of McCain to tax my health care benefits
is completely opposite of what a republican would do. As an added slap in the
face I get $5000 to buy my family insurance, news flash to John McCain you
can't buy insurance for a family for $5,000. At least Obama gets it and is
going to CUT my taxes.
jim | 9:36 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Did everyone miss that joe biden did not answer every question either?
GOP Jokers | 9:37 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin is a robot, a puppet. If she were unattractive, she wouldn't have
been chosen. Are we voting for Ms. America?
It's amazing Utah continues to lean so far right, then again, I shouldn't be surprised - apparently eternal consequences outweigh current quality of life and practical decisions.
The GOP ('86 the G - it's just Old) would install a cardboard cutout of Nixon if it could.
End the two-party system - it's not working. Ron Paul is far more logical than either side, and it appears far less shady.
It's amazing Utah continues to lean so far right, then again, I shouldn't be surprised - apparently eternal consequences outweigh current quality of life and practical decisions.
The GOP ('86 the G - it's just Old) would install a cardboard cutout of Nixon if it could.
End the two-party system - it's not working. Ron Paul is far more logical than either side, and it appears far less shady.
coastguy | 9:38 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
This woman is an embarressment to herself, her family and to every American.
She is secretive on Troopergate where she once said she would be transparent.
She will likely be facing criminal charges for her role in Worker's
Compgate for illegally interefering with the trooper's worker's comp
benefits. She sounds like Granny on Beverly Hillbillys.Give me a break. The fact
that her running partner, McCain pulls out of Michigan and she has to learn of
this from reading a newspaper tells you how much he relishes her input-zero.
The fact that American can't see through her is a testament to the TV standards of image-not substance."Dumb and Dumberer here folks. Wake up!You are being used.
The fact that American can't see through her is a testament to the TV standards of image-not substance."Dumb and Dumberer here folks. Wake up!You are being used.
Lars | 9:39 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin did do a much better job than I had anticipated. However, until she can
answer hard questions (not softballs) and respond to the obvious follow up
questons in a competant way, I'll not be convinced she is anything other
than McCains attempt to appeal to the far right. And I thought he wanted to put
country first! Hmmm?
JC1967 | 9:41 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Do you people know where Palin's quote by Ronald Reagan at the end came
from? Look it up and let's hear what you think.
John | 9:43 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
All you Obama voters are not going to get what you want which is reform and
change to improve our country and our relations with other nations. You will
get a VP who has been a Washington insider for years and has helped perpetuate
are current problems. You will get Senate and House banking committee chairman
who revised the laws to allow the sub prime loans and then encourage banks to
make the loans and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy them, all the time
accepting huge contributions from the very companies who would eventually be
destroyed by the policies and practices encouraged by Senator Dodd and
Representative Frank. Good luck to you as Obama and the Democrats drive the
country further and further into the ground with all their big spending plans
and no apparent way to pay for them.
Skip | 9:55 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
If you vote GOP, you're voting for Bush...again. Palin def supports 100% of
Bush's miserable ideology. McCain is Bush-Lite, with an arm candy VP by his
side.
sinilau | 10:05 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Isn't the purpose of a debate to answer the questions, not your own agenda.
Time after time she failed to answer the questions that the Country needed to
hear about. She stuck with what she was comfortable with and was awful when it
came to international relations. She was annoying with all of the winking and
looking at the cameras. This is a debate, so debate with your opponent, look
your opponent in the eye, not the cameras.
She failed her party and it shows that the republicans plain out made the wrong choice.
The fact is choosing Palin/McCain (oops!) Mccain/Palin is, the same as the lame duck president we have in office now! Same useless agenda in lipstick and high heels!
She failed her party and it shows that the republicans plain out made the wrong choice.
The fact is choosing Palin/McCain (oops!) Mccain/Palin is, the same as the lame duck president we have in office now! Same useless agenda in lipstick and high heels!
JeffR | 10:06 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
ROFLMAO, Utah loves Palin? Color the world surprised?
Yup, Utah would love a rabid racist who's thinks a gun toting Jesus walked with dinosaurs on a flat earth.
Maybe Utah will give her a first class ticket to Kolob as reward for being "one with Utah"
Yup, Utah would love a rabid racist who's thinks a gun toting Jesus walked with dinosaurs on a flat earth.
Maybe Utah will give her a first class ticket to Kolob as reward for being "one with Utah"
Not fit to Vote | 10:08 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Palin just repeated last year's lie about what Obama said is taking place
in Afganistan. It was a piece of a larger statement taken out of context and was
discredited by all comers over a year ago, But Sarah now says Obama is unfit for
the presidency for saying something he didn't say. Well, what qualifies
Sarah in the first place?
If you think Palin is qualified for the vice presidency or the presidency, you should be considered unfit to vote in this election.
If you think Palin is qualified for the vice presidency or the presidency, you should be considered unfit to vote in this election.
Bill Keshlear | 10:10 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
It was amazing that Palin was able to cram so much misinformation into the space
of a 1 1/2 hour debate, and that the media, including moderator Ifill and this
newspaper, allowed her to get away with it. Maybe that�s
why Utahns think she won.
According to independent, non-partisan fact check organizations - factcheck.org, CNN, AP, Washington Post - Palin repeated old canards on energy, repeated several false claims on taxes, got the facts wrong on troops levels in Iraq, made health care claims that are inaccurate on several levels and distorted her own record.
I counted 20 in all, not including the fact that she seemed not to know the name of the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, confusing him with a Civil War general.
She flat out lied when she said a $40 billion natural gas pipeline was being built in Alaska. Beginning of construction is at six years away, if it�s ever built at all.
Through Palin's babble of memorized talking points, one line stood out: A Reaganesque bit about government being the problem rather than the solution. This coincides with the government�s $700 billion bailout of the problem created by that very same Reaganesque ideology.
According to independent, non-partisan fact check organizations - factcheck.org, CNN, AP, Washington Post - Palin repeated old canards on energy, repeated several false claims on taxes, got the facts wrong on troops levels in Iraq, made health care claims that are inaccurate on several levels and distorted her own record.
I counted 20 in all, not including the fact that she seemed not to know the name of the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, confusing him with a Civil War general.
She flat out lied when she said a $40 billion natural gas pipeline was being built in Alaska. Beginning of construction is at six years away, if it�s ever built at all.
Through Palin's babble of memorized talking points, one line stood out: A Reaganesque bit about government being the problem rather than the solution. This coincides with the government�s $700 billion bailout of the problem created by that very same Reaganesque ideology.
sparks24 | 10:42 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Anne 2:16 now the facts before you act like a stupid fool. Barack Obama voted
to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire which would have raised taxes on a single
person making 42,000 a year and 84,000 on a married couple. GET THE TRUTH ANNNE
Anonymous | 10:44 a.m. Oct. 4, 2008
Utah backwater ? I'M SORRY UTAH DOESN'T FOLLOW WHAT REST OF MAINSTREAM
AMERICA BELIEVES IN OK !
HONESTLY UTAH IS THAT BEST RUN STATE AND IT HAS SO MANY GREAT THINGS IN THIS STATE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE THEN !!!!!
I'VE LIVED IN MANY STATES SO I KNOW !!!!
HONESTLY UTAH IS THAT BEST RUN STATE AND IT HAS SO MANY GREAT THINGS IN THIS STATE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE THEN !!!!!
I'VE LIVED IN MANY STATES SO I KNOW !!!!
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We have lowered the bar so low that people who want to believe, or are sheep, think she hit a home run.
My goodness, America has sunk to a new low.
BUT WAIT!!! The other candidate... he spoke calmly, rationally, with knowledge and experience. He even teared up thinking of his past losses in his personal life. He even smiled during the debate. He even answered the topics and questions. He stood tall and did not wink and cajole us to vote for him.
Well, I guess there is hope for America after all.
Thank you Joe.