stillnoclue: there isnt a fur farmer in the entire world that kill the
furbearers 'the same way as the unwanted pets at your local shelter'. and
getting the facts from them...well go ahead and try. go show up at any furfarm
or factory farm asking to see how it all goes down and watch the reaction you
Jeremy Beckham, You make good points but mink are fed 100% by products. They are
eatting the parts of the chickens, Beef,Cheese, Fish etc. that we dont eat.This
is the same food supply that feeds your pets. There is nothing raised just to
feed the minks. Im sure you are talking about a vegtable diet but everyone
doesnt share your tastes. The rest of us like to eat a balanced diet which may
contain meat. The minks are just cleaning up our left-overs! As far as the Anal
electricution and neck breaking goes you can relax the minks are put to sleep
the same way as the unwanted pets at your local shelter. Its time to trust the
farmer and get the facts from them instead of from a website that only wants to
get you upset and mail them a check!
...would turn 6,000 mink loose.
Fur Commission USA has shown their unshakable steadfastness to ignorance
(feigned or otherwise) in their most recent post. Every credible economist,
biologist, and ecologist on the planet now recognizes that the lower we eat on
the food chain the more sustainable it is for the planet. Creating higher
trophic levels of life for our consumption also require the production of lower
trophic levels of life as well - and a great deal of energy is lost in the
process.In simple terms, we must grow food to feed the animals who
we then eat, and this is a terribly inefficient process. It takes roughly 15
pounds of protein from wheat to translate into a pound of protein from animals.
Inefficient and wrong. I suggest going back to basics for FC USA and reading
"Diet for a Small Planet."Not to mention the incredibly fallacious
argument that our choice is between fur and petroleum products for clothing.
Cotton is our primary source of fiber and will remain so. Only an ignoramus or
propagandist would every try to claim that mink farming is more eco-friendly
than cotton farming.
Animal Welfare or Animal Rights?Here are some of the differences:As animal welfare advocates. . .We seek to improve the treatment
and well-being of animals. We support the humane treatment of
animals that ensures comfort and freedom from unnecessary pain and suffering.
We believe we have the right to "own" animals -- they are our
property. We believe animal owners should provide loving care for
the lifetime of their animals. As animal rights activists. . .They seek to end the use and ownership of animals, including the keeping
of pets. They believe that any use of an animal is exploitation so,
not only must we stop using animals for food and clothing, but pet ownership
must be outlawed as well. They want to obtain legal rights for
animals as they believe that animals and humans are equal. They use
false and unsubstantiated allegations of animal abuse to raise funds, attract
media attention and bring supporters into the movement. (The Inhumane Crusade,
Daniel T. Oliver) www.naiaonline.org
This is so important because its our animals throughput these sates!! Everyone
should be a least a little worried of whats happeing! These are animals of our
kind! I fthis keeps happeing the could go ecxint!
But those carrots are domestic.
What does that stand for..Always Laughable Fools? I for one love all forms of
life, so much so, that I can not bear to see wonderful little carrots and
radishes jerked out of the ground and then eaten uncerimoniously by their
inferior humans. They were here first, before man, and therefore should receive
the protection they deserve. Alf should redirect it's attention to the grocery
stores who promote and even sell these poor defenseless creatures for human
consumption. Excuse me please, "Hand me the Steak Sauce and garlic salt".
The difference is that Exxon's blunder was an accident caused by stupidity. With
the ALF it's intentional stupidity.
These mink are also the offspring of domestic mink. It's illegal to remove wild
mink from the environment and use them for commercial purposes.The big
stupid flag in this whole event is the idea of turning 6,000 voracious and
aggressive predators loose in the eco system. Talk about a huge eco-blunder. On
the same scale as the Exxon Valdez.
With less than 3% of the planet capable of supporting crops to feed and clothe
us, humans remain dependent on animals for food and fiber. Since there are 6
billion of us on this planet, we complement wild production with farm-raised
animals, including domesticated mink and fox and rabbit and sheep, all sources
of leather and fur which are all natural fibers used in cold weather clothing.
The alternative to natural fibers, synthetics from oil, is not sustainable. The
people who attacked the farms in Utah and sent out threats to the farmers are
simply terrorists, pure and simple.
Henry David Thoreau said, ""Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the
true place for a just man is also a prison."And Martin Luther King,
Jr. said, "The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of
extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative
extremists."Yes, they are breaking the law. But laws are not the
same as ethics. There are just laws and unjust laws. Freeing mink who are
suffering and will be killed is not the same as flying planes into buildings and
harming people. One is done to preserve life and make those who profit from
suffering and death to lose money. The other is to harm life and cause
suffering due to rigid adherence to fundamentalist dogma. It was once legal to
enslave people, rape women, and beat your children. Times change. The minks
and other animals who are abused and killed unnecessarily deserve a world where
there lives matter. They are not commodities, they are autonomous sentient
beings worthy of compassionate and respectful treatment.
The difference between poodles and minks are huge. These minks are not
domesticated like poodles, they are captive-bred. Captive-bred and
domestication is not the same thing. Domestication takes place over thousands
of years. Biologically and physiologically (and mentally) these minks are the
exact same as their free-living "wild" counterparts. Yes, some will not adapt
and learn to hunt voles and other prey animals... but some will... these are
better chances then the fur farmer gave. Farmers are "torture
artists" - intentional or not. Keeping a wild, energetic animal in a small cage
without access to anything resembling a normal life is torture. Forcing
solitary animals to live in the close confines of thousands of others is
torture. Killing someone who doesn't want to die for selfish reasons and not
survival needs is unethical. And injecting them with weed killers or breaking
their necks does happen all the time. To keep the pelt in good condition, those
who kill must find ways to kill the animal without damaging the pelts.RE: Poodle. I wouldn't "turn him loose" - his biology, behavior and
instinctual urges aren't the same as wolves or coyotes. He isn't at risk of
being tortured or killed.
Better turn your poodle loose too.
Pullthebandaidslow You have no Idea what your saying .First these are
domesicated animals. They have no idea where to find shelter,food or water. You
make it sound like Farmers are some kind of torcher artists when im sure you
dont grow anything! What kind of sense would it make for someone who makes their
living from what he produces to "kill them with weed killer" Get real. That
makes as much sense as you burning the books at the Barnes & Noble you work at.
The point is THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!! Plane and simple.
Many wild animals - who know exactly how to hunt or forage for food - get hit by
cars. This speaks more of this culture's complete (grotesque) reliance on roads
and automobiles, then it does about the inabilities of captive raised minks to
survive in the wild. The reality is, some of the mink will survive
after release. How many would have lived if left in the clutches of the fur
farmer? NONE. The fur farmer would not have allowed any of them to live. And
he would have made a handsome profit on the backs of their months of torment in
captivity and untimely death. At least some mink will survive
because of the activists actions. Lets remember these actions were taken out of
conscience, rather then the avarice of the fur industry who has a vested
interested in demonizing the people who freed these mink because of their
bottom-line.The question isn't are the activists terrorists anyway,
the question is - do we as thinking, feeling human beings have the right to
terrorize, torment, and kill prematurely other intelligent, sentient creatures
for unnecessary (in terms of survival needs) products that are made from
extensive and profound cruelty?
Minks are solitary animals who are semi-aquatic. Minks travel widely and may
occupy as much as 2.5 miles miles of wetland habitat. Minks frequently line
their dens with leaves, grasses, and feathers for comfort. These are
intelligent animals who are forced to live lives of intensive confinement with
no places to hide from humans or other mink. They languish in filthy wire
cages, eating a diet that is anything but natural... and die agonizing deaths by
having their necks broken, gassed, or stomped on. Some mink farmers have been
found killing mink by injecting them with weed killer. Some of the
minks will die after release. This is inevitable. Yet all of them would have
died if left in their filthy confinement. And someone would have profited
greatly from this cruelty. Silence and inaction would have resulted in profit
for the fur industry and no real challenge to the barbarities it represents.The minks, when given the choice at an open cage, preferred the chance
at a free life over incarceration and definitive deaths. It seems grossly
inaccurate to call the people who gave these animals the possibility of avoiding
unnecessary suffering and premature death on the farm, terrorists.
ALF and ELF are perfect examples of the very definition of a terrorist
organization. They are attempting to effect changes by the means of violence.
These mink are dead before they are born. All these people did was
extend their suffering, and create a public safety issue.
"You can see terror in these animals' eyes. What these activists are doing is an
attempt to stop that"The only time he would have been close enough
to the mink to see "the terror in their eyes" is while he was releasing them.
Of course they were scared, they don't know how find food or to
protect themselves from predators, or even find shelter on their own. That's why
they ended up as pancakes on the the roads!
Hey, what ThinkPeople wrote sounds like my job. Come free me!
The issue here is that the released mink will die anyway, but only after
upsetting the balance of nature.
Talk about doublethink! People expressing "anger" at mink being killed on Legacy
Highway who were freed.And then at the same time express support to
fur farmers who collectively 26 MILLION minks every year by gassing,
electrocution, and breed/keep them in captivity and cages from birth to
Stop calling terrorists activists.
Have you seen the dead mink on Legacy Parkway? These bozos really made life
better for the mink they released. I hope these guys get the maximum sentence,
not just for the crime, but for being totally out of touch with the real world.
Perhaps Mr. Young can be prosecuted for aiding terrorists. One can hope!