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Maggie | 7:59 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Barack Obama is substantial - intelligent and decent. I'm heartened to
find out that others have come to recognize that too. If any of you are tempted
to refer to him mockingly as the 'messiah', or any of the other
disparaging terms I've heard thrown around - please don't. I realize
it's rare to have a politician in our midst who seems lacking in self
interest and power mongering; but hey, let's just take a moment and
appreciate it.
Madden | 8:15 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I read Obama's last book. My impression was he is a decent guy, very smart,
and not beholden to the same special interests as most politicos. My main
concern is that he is promising the world to everyone during this campaign.
There is no way he can deliver on every promise he's making without
bankrupting the country even more than we already are.
He also disappointed in that he stopped taking the high road. For a guy trying to push a different kind of politics, he seems to be listening to all the standard Demo advisors. If he really stuck to his principles and quit playing the attack/counterattack games with the GOP, he'd be blowing them away.
All in all, I like a lot of what he stands for, but I'm not sold on a lot of his policies and promises.
He also disappointed in that he stopped taking the high road. For a guy trying to push a different kind of politics, he seems to be listening to all the standard Demo advisors. If he really stuck to his principles and quit playing the attack/counterattack games with the GOP, he'd be blowing them away.
All in all, I like a lot of what he stands for, but I'm not sold on a lot of his policies and promises.
Chicago Politics | 8:36 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Going up in Chicago and seeing firsthand how the system works there, it
doesn't surprise me to see individuals being caught up in Obama fever.
What most Utahns don't realize is how Obama got to where he is today. Yes,
he is smart but he also uses Chicago style politics to eliminate his opponents.
I won't be voting for the man and no debate performance will change my
mind. If you want someone with Obama's tendencies and have him infuse the
USA with socialist ideas and policies--go for it but this man will never get my
vote.
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I agree | 8:36 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
with Madden. Alas, no politician has been what we as a nation deserve since they
started taking a paycheck. Each year its like choosing our executioner. Sadly,
we've picked a slow, agonizing death for our last four years.
So despite his flaws, I think Obama is breath of fresh air. While still not what we deserve, he's miles closer than McCain. And light-years beyond Bush.
So despite his flaws, I think Obama is breath of fresh air. While still not what we deserve, he's miles closer than McCain. And light-years beyond Bush.
Utah voter | 8:38 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I'm sure I will be accused of being close-minded, but I could never vote
Democrat. I will either vote GOP or just not vote. I don't agree with the
Democratic platform on abortion, gay marriage, gun control, drug policy, capital
punishment, etc., etc.
I realize that many of our fellow Utahns that run on the Democratic ticket do not necessarily agree with their party's official positions on these issues. However, I cannot support a party in any way whose views are so different than mine.
I realize that many of our fellow Utahns that run on the Democratic ticket do not necessarily agree with their party's official positions on these issues. However, I cannot support a party in any way whose views are so different than mine.
Josie | 8:44 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Sorry people, can't vote for Obama who was raised in Indonisa till he was
10 years old, and was in Rev. Wrights church 20 years.
Mikey | 8:45 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Maybe those numbers reflect something other that what is thought - those that
tend to favor McCain didn't bother watching the debate. Not sure what that
says about us, but my wife and I went and saw "Forever Young"
instead.
I'm not interested in a man that can't take a stand in so many roll call votes, and I don't buy the "nuanced message" theory either. A president is a leader, not a messenger, and I see no leadership in the right direction.
He's dead wrong on the right to life, and when everything else is jumbled, or nuanced if you prefer, it is enough for me that he also is wrong on national security and yes, wrong on the economy, wrong on education and wrong on health care. Wrong on Social Security.
Fighting President Bush - right or wrong - at every turn simply because democrats can't afford to let the President have a single victory, is not my idea of a change for the better.
I'm not interested in a man that can't take a stand in so many roll call votes, and I don't buy the "nuanced message" theory either. A president is a leader, not a messenger, and I see no leadership in the right direction.
He's dead wrong on the right to life, and when everything else is jumbled, or nuanced if you prefer, it is enough for me that he also is wrong on national security and yes, wrong on the economy, wrong on education and wrong on health care. Wrong on Social Security.
Fighting President Bush - right or wrong - at every turn simply because democrats can't afford to let the President have a single victory, is not my idea of a change for the better.
Max | 8:55 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
He talks the talk, but look at who he walks with. Ayeres,Rizzio, Wright &
his 2 fincial advisers, both of whom took money from Fanny Mae & Mac I Will
never vote for his left socicalist ideas
Really | 9:18 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
You right wing sheep are a joke. Be sincere, do you you really want 4 more years
of what the last 8 has been all about? How much further do you want to slide
down the tube? How much more will your family budget take? How many more wars do
you want to send our young fathers and mothers too? How much more do you want to
pay for gasoline? How much longer do you want to either go without health care
or pay exorbent premiums? How many other porior friendly countries do you want
to alienate? Get over it, it's over for your party.
SS | 9:21 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I agree with most of the earlier comments. It all sounds good from Obama, but
who is going to pay for it? Lots of big ideas with nothing concrete to back
them up. It can't all be financed on the backs of "the rich."
They're already footing most of the bill and will just ways around paying
even more. The real cure is to get the average American to start living like an
average American and start working harder, saving more, and whining less.
TC | 9:39 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I sway to the right, but this year it is Obama for me! I hope he wins
especially with how incompetent McCain was at the debate. I only hope that more
Utahns wake up and see what a incompetent ticket the republicans have put
together this year.
Don't! | 10:06 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Be fooled or get tricked into voting for this man. It's all about word and
more word. Seriously what experience does this candidate have to qualify him for
the White House? Nothing! Wake up Utah!
Can you spell SOCIALISM? | 10:28 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I live in Texas now but am originally from Utah. I watched the debate and found
Obama to be quite boring. He talks and talks but doesn't say anything.
McCain is much more interesting to listen to. How about Obama saying, "I
have a bracelet too!" We cracked up - so childish! I have read everything
I can get my hands on regarding both candidates. I agree with "Chicago
Politics". Don't be deceived by the "Korihor"
characteristics of Obama. Makes a good presentation but doesn't say much.
Everything I can find on him resonates with Socialism and very left-wing
policies. The main stream media is covering for him big time. That same media
is smearing Sarah Palin and literally making fun of her goodness. BUYER BEWARE
is all I can say!!
Liberal | 10:34 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Let's admit it. Obama would turn this nation into a socail republic. I am a
liberal but I am not that liberal. There is no such thing as bottom up
economics. It is nothing but code for socialism. Trickle down economics works,
but it is not perfect. If anyone complains about it then they need to visit
other countries and see how their bottom up economics works compared to our
trickle down economics.
Also where does Obama get off thinking he can handle the economy better than McCain. Neither of them have ever run a business. They both don't know what they are doing. McCain at least has a better tax plan.
If you want to improve the economy just get rid of coporate and capital gains taxes and you will see an influx in investment into this country.
Also where does Obama get off thinking he can handle the economy better than McCain. Neither of them have ever run a business. They both don't know what they are doing. McCain at least has a better tax plan.
If you want to improve the economy just get rid of coporate and capital gains taxes and you will see an influx in investment into this country.
KJB | 10:48 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Well, I know where all of the right-wingers hang out on Saturday night.
I'm sure all of the people here who use "socialism" as a scare
tactic really enjoy driving on paved and lit streets, checking books out of the
public library, and knowing they can call the fire department if their houses
are burning down.
As Grimble mentioned before all of the comments here were deleted for some odd reason, nations in Europe (which what I assume Liberal is talking about when (s)he talks about people "need[ing] to visit other countries") enjoy longer life expectancies, a lower infant mortality rate, more paid vacation time each year, and guaranteed health care without being up to their eyeballs in Chinese debt. Of course, here in America all of these things would be part of some evil conspiracy. Meanwhile, spending $700 billion in taxpayer money to clean up Wall Street's mess and protect their golden parachutes is patriotic.
These boards are going to be a lot of fun to read after Obama wins...
As Grimble mentioned before all of the comments here were deleted for some odd reason, nations in Europe (which what I assume Liberal is talking about when (s)he talks about people "need[ing] to visit other countries") enjoy longer life expectancies, a lower infant mortality rate, more paid vacation time each year, and guaranteed health care without being up to their eyeballs in Chinese debt. Of course, here in America all of these things would be part of some evil conspiracy. Meanwhile, spending $700 billion in taxpayer money to clean up Wall Street's mess and protect their golden parachutes is patriotic.
These boards are going to be a lot of fun to read after Obama wins...
Voting Obama - Utah | 10:53 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
I'm going to vote for Obama. He is positive, he speaks his mind in a manner
that doesn't tip-toe around important questions & I think he can really
do something to turn this country around..
McCain is/was with the Bush administration, supported a lot of the really bad ideas & I just refuse to support him. His manner reminds me of Bush too much to trust him. Yes he has some experience - but just because you have experience doesn't mean you'll do a good job.
I believe that Obama actually cares about the American people and not so much the big corporations, and lining his pockets with underhanded deals. Obama all the way for me.
McCain is/was with the Bush administration, supported a lot of the really bad ideas & I just refuse to support him. His manner reminds me of Bush too much to trust him. Yes he has some experience - but just because you have experience doesn't mean you'll do a good job.
I believe that Obama actually cares about the American people and not so much the big corporations, and lining his pockets with underhanded deals. Obama all the way for me.
re:Really | 10:56 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
You left wing sheep are a joke, too. So eager to blame everything on Bush, who
although not a great president, cannot be the reason for every ill in this
country.
The Dems had 2 years at the helm of Congess and did NOTHING! I don't need 4 to 8 years of that. And exactly which countries did we alienate? Iran? Iraq? Libya? N. Korea? They already hated us. Are you really willing to pay the price to be their friend? I'm not.
The Dems had 2 years at the helm of Congess and did NOTHING! I don't need 4 to 8 years of that. And exactly which countries did we alienate? Iran? Iraq? Libya? N. Korea? They already hated us. Are you really willing to pay the price to be their friend? I'm not.
raptor2 | 11:06 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Obama won...
wer | 11:53 p.m. Sept. 27, 2008
Those who find Obama interesting or "refreshing" ought to think about
his past and his promises for the future. He is one the least experienced
senators in Congress, missing close to 100 votes during his "tenure".
He has proposed virtually nothing or led anything in his life.
For his promises: he is on record as being so opposed to the Defense of Family Act (which Bill Clinton signed into law) that he vows to eliminate it.
From the Democratic Party Platform: "We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all
attempts to use this issue to divide us."
For his promises: he is on record as being so opposed to the Defense of Family Act (which Bill Clinton signed into law) that he vows to eliminate it.
From the Democratic Party Platform: "We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all
attempts to use this issue to divide us."
memikeyounot | 2:10 a.m. Sept. 28, 2008
Glad to see that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly are still reading the DNews
and commenting on Obama.
Bundy | 2:15 a.m. Sept. 28, 2008
A couple notes:
1. Mccain is not Bush. Even if they had the exact same policies on every issues, they would still implement those policies differently. In the same way, many of us in Utah share common values (or positions on life), and yet live very different lives.
2. Mccain used the same tactic against Obama that he used against Romney, which is defining your opponent's position, and then not listening to him when he tries to explain or clarify himself. On issues like the surge, and Iran, he tried to define Obama's position differently from what Obama himself stated. He did the same thing to Romney with timetables. This is a cheap tactic and Mccain should cut it out. Go ahead and paint Obama as naive and inexperienced, but please stop the blatant misrepresentation.
1. Mccain is not Bush. Even if they had the exact same policies on every issues, they would still implement those policies differently. In the same way, many of us in Utah share common values (or positions on life), and yet live very different lives.
2. Mccain used the same tactic against Obama that he used against Romney, which is defining your opponent's position, and then not listening to him when he tries to explain or clarify himself. On issues like the surge, and Iran, he tried to define Obama's position differently from what Obama himself stated. He did the same thing to Romney with timetables. This is a cheap tactic and Mccain should cut it out. Go ahead and paint Obama as naive and inexperienced, but please stop the blatant misrepresentation.
SLMG | 6:08 a.m. Sept. 28, 2008
What countries have we alienated????? Pull your head out of the sand, look
around and read international papers, you will find that Bush and his gang have
alienated just about every country on the planet including almost if not all of
our allies. I am a U.S.A. citizen living in Australia as a permanent resident,
it is embarassing to read what is written here and what people have to say about
my country. People here are angry at Bush for the Iraq war and now the
financial mess because it effects their lives too. They think the United states
voters are stupid for putting Bush in office twice and may vote in another
Republican. They are totally beyond belief that McCain choice the least
qualified Republican woman as his running mate. Yes, the world is laughing at
the U.S.A.
re | 12:47 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
If you really look at the financial mess you will come to find out it was
created by the people who support the Democrats and Mr Obama.
Freeman | 1:28 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
To SLMG:
Yes the people of the world laugh, criticize, think we are stupid...until they need something. Then they stick their hands out for American cash/aid/protection. Your Australian friends should remember this from Banda Aceh in 2004-5. You might want to remind them that in addition to the $21 billion in government funds we send abroad each year (more than double the next closest nation's contributions), that PRIVATE American donors also add more than $70 billion in foreign donations each year (check out the Center for Global Prosperity). I think you and your Australian friends are the ones who need to pull your heads out of the sand.
Yes the people of the world laugh, criticize, think we are stupid...until they need something. Then they stick their hands out for American cash/aid/protection. Your Australian friends should remember this from Banda Aceh in 2004-5. You might want to remind them that in addition to the $21 billion in government funds we send abroad each year (more than double the next closest nation's contributions), that PRIVATE American donors also add more than $70 billion in foreign donations each year (check out the Center for Global Prosperity). I think you and your Australian friends are the ones who need to pull your heads out of the sand.
RE: KJB | 2:05 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
Good points.
Staunch right wingers, I know you've already made up your minds.
Swing voters, don't let these people try to scare you by throwing around words like "socialism." Give me a break. Obama is the change we all need. The GOP has run the economy into the ground for 8 years now. So badly that even they are ready to throw $700 billion at the problem. Maybe a little bit more liberal politics could have helped prevent some of these disasters.
Staunch right wingers, I know you've already made up your minds.
Swing voters, don't let these people try to scare you by throwing around words like "socialism." Give me a break. Obama is the change we all need. The GOP has run the economy into the ground for 8 years now. So badly that even they are ready to throw $700 billion at the problem. Maybe a little bit more liberal politics could have helped prevent some of these disasters.
In USA Obama won | 4:07 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
In other parts of the country, the country as a whole, Obama was rated the
winner
SLMG | 4:54 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
Freeman, Thank you for that information, I'm sorry you missed the point. I
was not referring to the generosity of the USA and I was not talking about a
group of friends I am referring to what is being written and said by people the
world over not just in Australia. This may come as a real surprise to you but I
have plenty of friends and associates in the USA that are saying the very same
things. The USA needs a big change and another 4 years of Republican politics
is not going to cut it. I voted for George W. Bush in the last election only
because he got us into HIS war in Iraq and I thought he should get us out but
guess what we are still there spending bilions of my granddaghters money and at
home the ecomomy is going to hell in a hand basket. You vote for McCain, I will
continue to encourage anyone that will listen to make a change and vote for
Obama.
Anonymous | 8:46 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
Honestly, McCain has quite an extensive command of military knowledge. The
problem is that he is stuck in the past with military strategies and approaches
that just dont work in the world today. 2008 is not 1980 or 1960---and America
has changed quite a bit and is less of a world power. You cant bully other
countries into doing what you want when your economy is tanking and you cant
afford the prpper military personel and equipment. This economy needs to improve
first and foremost so we can afford to compete.
Anonymous | 8:59 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
McCain is no MAVERICK by any means. He is egocentric and will destroy this
nation just as Bush has done. He doesnt get it. This country is about middle
class America not just the rich who surround him. Personally i would rather have
my tax money going to programs here at home than going to iraq and nation
building when our schools are falling behind and bridges collapse. It's
amazing that people just dont get it. Had we not invaded iraq- the muslims would
be fighting each other ( to me that is a good thing) because now we are there
focus of hate. Terrorism has been worse ever since. Poor decision making will
continue if McCain is President.
Jeffrey | 9:17 p.m. Sept. 28, 2008
This means that, in Utah speak, Obama was the overwhelming victor!
Painful to say | 12:25 p.m. Sept. 30, 2008
Bush > McCain
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