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Census survey shows Utahns marry younger, have more children
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RE: RE: Lisa | 10:34 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
I agree with you. I am LDS and have a multitude of freinds and family that are
not and are just as moral and "rightouse" as I am and some even more
so than some church leaders that I have sustained over the years. Being LDS
doesn't mean your are nessesarily chosen. I struggle myself to keep from
the temptations life affords us and feel that anyone who looks down upon others
for a difference that they think puts them in higher standing than someone eles,
is sorely misslead as to the true teachings of Christ. He never held himself
above others in anyway, well until they nailed him to the cross and then it was
the doing of the people who saw themselfs to be higher than he that put him up
above them, as they stood on the ground looking up at him. We are who we
precive, an opinion is only that. I want to apoligise for the selfrightouse
comment made to you on behalf of those of us LDS who see it with more
perspective and understanding. Have a great life, live it well. Christ is the
only one we have to answer to.
K | 10:33 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Per capita is really not the whole story. Military conscription means
culpulsory: draft. Which means typically more than one son in a family which
large families are more likely to have.
As for the taxes discussion... If everyone paid a good percentage to charities and church based organizations people would be better off as those groups do better than the government at providing assistance. Though I will always think that government does have a roll to play.
As for the taxes discussion... If everyone paid a good percentage to charities and church based organizations people would be better off as those groups do better than the government at providing assistance. Though I will always think that government does have a roll to play.
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GeezZZZZZ! | 10:42 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
re: Lisa
You must understand that not everyone agrees with Mormonism. I'd like to know what is with some of you people and your thinking? I cannot comprehend your thoughts and really don't wish, or care too. Why not give it a break, and try to be nice instead so hateful.
re: Dear Selfish,
Yes, you are selfish.
You must understand that not everyone agrees with Mormonism. I'd like to know what is with some of you people and your thinking? I cannot comprehend your thoughts and really don't wish, or care too. Why not give it a break, and try to be nice instead so hateful.
re: Dear Selfish,
Yes, you are selfish.
RE: A mall | 10:43 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Affording the mall will bring more employment and revenue into the community.
Thus people that otherwise may have had to remain on welfare are employed and
the burdon is lightened and the resorces can be used more effectively. Are
people so narow minded that they cannot see the possibilities of the big picture
and can only live in the moment focused soley on how it may affect them. That
seems so selfish to me. Open your mind and find perspective. It's all about
helping humanity. It's not all about you. I lived out side of Utah with a
large family of my own and when times got rough, I didn't have to go window
shopping. The mall was open to me and my family and it was very affordable.
Ing | 10:46 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Wow. This has been an amazing read. All the stupidity I expected, and then
some. You all are AWESOME. (Well, there have been a few thoughtful posts, but
not enough to ruin the good times.)
Seriously, though...
These figures are good news, for the most part (and yes, they ARE legitimate news). It's not a perfect society, but the census numbers seem to show that the people of Utah have a lot of good things going for them as a group.
I have to agree with the people who have noted that there seems to be a disproporionately large amount of whining coming from people in Utah about how horrible the place is. This is puzzling to me. If you hate the place and/or the people so much, why don't you leave? It's an option for most of us. I do see how the ultra-pious, sometimes holier-than-thou attitude of highly religious people can be irritating...but irritating though they may be, they mostly mean well. Maybe it's just that some of you enjoy disparaging your neighbors and being miserable too much to give it up.
Seriously, though...
These figures are good news, for the most part (and yes, they ARE legitimate news). It's not a perfect society, but the census numbers seem to show that the people of Utah have a lot of good things going for them as a group.
I have to agree with the people who have noted that there seems to be a disproporionately large amount of whining coming from people in Utah about how horrible the place is. This is puzzling to me. If you hate the place and/or the people so much, why don't you leave? It's an option for most of us. I do see how the ultra-pious, sometimes holier-than-thou attitude of highly religious people can be irritating...but irritating though they may be, they mostly mean well. Maybe it's just that some of you enjoy disparaging your neighbors and being miserable too much to give it up.
To: Liberal Larry | 11:02 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
The people in this world is self-destructing and this earth will never be
overpopulated.
Rxidawyo | 11:07 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
This probably won't get read, but I think that it is pathetic how so many
bloggers think that it is just fine to critize those that have large families.
Do you have personal issues that you need to deal with? Maybe your one or two
children make you happy. That's great, but to think that a couple who have
more children than you are selfish, think again! Three fingers are pointing
back at you. Maybe your four legged beasts make you happy? So be it. What
ever road you choose to follow, follow it with zeal and leave your
self-centered, worthless, complaintive comments to yourself.
For those that think that large families are a burden on society, than go to the voting booths and vote conservative. Don't you see that our society is heading full steam into a socialistic state. Its your pathetic complaintive liberal vote that even gives families the option to live off of welfare. This idea that the government owes its people anything is just plain wrong. The government only owes us the protection of rights, by establishing laws and enforcing them.
In conclusion, be happy with with what you have and enjoy the ride.
For those that think that large families are a burden on society, than go to the voting booths and vote conservative. Don't you see that our society is heading full steam into a socialistic state. Its your pathetic complaintive liberal vote that even gives families the option to live off of welfare. This idea that the government owes its people anything is just plain wrong. The government only owes us the protection of rights, by establishing laws and enforcing them.
In conclusion, be happy with with what you have and enjoy the ride.
Tim | 11:09 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Please tell me, how does one become a baby machine? Isn't that sort of like
gluttony?
RE: Tim | 11:25 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
I guess it depends on your definition of gluttony. "No pain No gain."
Everyone has their own idea of reward and once you've held that tiny little
human that you just met and you love him/her without condition, you'll have
a hard time deniing that even with all you went through you'd probably do
it all over agian if you could. If you had to work out three hours a day and
stick to a stricked diet to for a year and knew the end results would be your
dream body. Or you knew that staying an extra two hours a day at work in a
position you hate for the next nine months would get you the position and pay
you really wanted, you to might be considered a glutten for punishment in the
quest to attain your reward. Apply this concept to any given want and
you'll find you'll do what it take to recive or achive it.
OK | 11:48 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Let me get this straight...
More Utahns marry younger and have more children?
Wow, what is that about?
But...
Every child that Utahns have must have clothing, food, notebooks for school, a sweater for SBO, and a car.
A wedding, a place to live, which will drive up the cost of housing, an education, and will eventually buy a casket.
Each child born will kick into the economy.
Why stop at ten, the magic number? Why not twenty, or thirty? This is econ 101 at it's best.
30 kids is now the nuber we shoot for. If Obama can push this, the economy will come back, and we all will live happily ever after.
More Utahns marry younger and have more children?
Wow, what is that about?
But...
Every child that Utahns have must have clothing, food, notebooks for school, a sweater for SBO, and a car.
A wedding, a place to live, which will drive up the cost of housing, an education, and will eventually buy a casket.
Each child born will kick into the economy.
Why stop at ten, the magic number? Why not twenty, or thirty? This is econ 101 at it's best.
30 kids is now the nuber we shoot for. If Obama can push this, the economy will come back, and we all will live happily ever after.
Again & Again | 11:55 p.m. Sept. 23, 2008
Re 11:25
I have 4 kids and that has been more than enough for us. I was ready to stop at two, but accidentally became a glutton. Lost my nice figure again and again, and now there is no hope that once sought after body. As if that was all there was to life..ha ha!
However, I cannot figure out for the life of me what you are talking about.
Caley
I have 4 kids and that has been more than enough for us. I was ready to stop at two, but accidentally became a glutton. Lost my nice figure again and again, and now there is no hope that once sought after body. As if that was all there was to life..ha ha!
However, I cannot figure out for the life of me what you are talking about.
Caley
lowonoil | 7:57 a.m. Sept. 25, 2008
If we do not devise a lower birth rate solution to our population problem,
nature will inevitably impose a higher death rate solution.
For example, ever hear of peak phosphorus? We are running into the physical production limits of this key plant nutrient. No growth of our phosphorus supply means no growth of our food supply.
We have managed to hold back Malthus for a couple centuries but he may be back soon with a vengeance.
For example, ever hear of peak phosphorus? We are running into the physical production limits of this key plant nutrient. No growth of our phosphorus supply means no growth of our food supply.
We have managed to hold back Malthus for a couple centuries but he may be back soon with a vengeance.
awesomeron | 2:44 p.m. Sept. 25, 2008
This makes at lot of since. Consider Utah, and the Large LDS Population, at
various levels of activity and obedience.
Realize what you are Not supposed to do before you are Married.
Realize also what you are not supposed to do after you are married. Remember other Faith Groups and their Members that are also encouraged not to do what LDS are thought not to do after marriage.
With the Churches encouragement of Returned Missionaries getting Married and Starting Families. Factor in, that in most cases the female is two to four years younger, or the same age, and very rarely older. Even though Men die sooner.
Considering the discouragement of pre martial relief, either through a relationship or by ones self.
The idea that people would meet and Merry sooner, because of the Basic agreement of core values, is no surprise. Worries about post martial compatibility issues can be settled later and well after, Wedding Night or Honeymoon conceptions. The strains of Child rearing and the expense can some times be relived by Government Entitlement Programs. WIC, Food Stamps, Quest, and through activity and Tithing the Blessing of The Church. So "happy day� all should be well in Zion.
Realize what you are Not supposed to do before you are Married.
Realize also what you are not supposed to do after you are married. Remember other Faith Groups and their Members that are also encouraged not to do what LDS are thought not to do after marriage.
With the Churches encouragement of Returned Missionaries getting Married and Starting Families. Factor in, that in most cases the female is two to four years younger, or the same age, and very rarely older. Even though Men die sooner.
Considering the discouragement of pre martial relief, either through a relationship or by ones self.
The idea that people would meet and Merry sooner, because of the Basic agreement of core values, is no surprise. Worries about post martial compatibility issues can be settled later and well after, Wedding Night or Honeymoon conceptions. The strains of Child rearing and the expense can some times be relived by Government Entitlement Programs. WIC, Food Stamps, Quest, and through activity and Tithing the Blessing of The Church. So "happy day� all should be well in Zion.
RE: Again and Again | 11:56 p.m. Sept. 25, 2008
Incase you are reading:
I have lost my figure as well, as I have bore 13 children, and fought two bouts with cancer, but did it willingly and wantonly. I feel you pain in that category.
Now that I am no longer having biological children and am adopting instead, I am working just as hard to regain my figure, and health, as I did to have my children, and fight cancer.
Hope all works out for you in your life and I guess there is no way to explain what I was saying other than what has already been said. It's all in your/my perspective.
I have lost my figure as well, as I have bore 13 children, and fought two bouts with cancer, but did it willingly and wantonly. I feel you pain in that category.
Now that I am no longer having biological children and am adopting instead, I am working just as hard to regain my figure, and health, as I did to have my children, and fight cancer.
Hope all works out for you in your life and I guess there is no way to explain what I was saying other than what has already been said. It's all in your/my perspective.
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Lets keep popping them out. The Church welfare program is strong enough to help you all through. I just hope the cost of the 'little mall' downtown does not effect the aid we give to our wards and within our boundries. I think it is a sad thing to spend somuch money on an irrelevant project in Heavenly Fathers eyes and see so much suffering and hurt in the world, let alone the LDS community that needs financial assistance. Sad just; sad but I guess we have our priorites right if we live in Utah and can get the help we need with families. All about Zion and appearances but those outside well if you have a large family and struggle; well my Brothren come 'window shop' at our mall an look at the money wasted on mere human desires. I am ashamed on how we help humanity as a church.