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establishment | 1:09 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Who is the establishment? The Republicans? I thought the Democrats controlled
Congress.
David O | 1:21 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
He won't clean up anything, he is part of the problem. They all are part
of the problem. They go in saying they will clean things up but then become
part of the system to remain in office. It's all a farce. What's
right is wrong and what is wrong is right. Just look at supposed religious
people cheering on Palin's pregnant unwed teen daughter and Palin herself.
Anonymous | 3:05 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
McCain has been in the senate for over twenty years and hasn't make much of
a difference yet. It's all a big bunch of hypocracy. No one seems to have
any backbone including Romney. They say what they think will get them elected.
They try to portray themselves as for the people but it turns out they have
lobbyists and are up to their neck getting pork projects through. I don't
even care anymore. Neither party passes the smell test.
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Re: establishment | 3:29 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Democrats have (sort of) had a majority in congress since January 2007. There
are currently an equal number of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate;
however, the two Independents in the Senate caucus with the Democrats, giving
the majority caucus a voting share of 51%.
There are 235 Democrats in the House and 199 Republicans, giving the Democrats a 54.3% voting share.
A 51% to 54.3% majority may make a big difference in a presidential election where chads are hanging in the balance, but in Congress, belonging to the party with 51% of the seats doesn't mean all that much, particularly when a member of the "minority" party wields the right to veto (or tack a signing statement onto) anything you do.
It would certainly be a stretch to call the Democrats the "establishment" based on their current position in national politics.
There are 235 Democrats in the House and 199 Republicans, giving the Democrats a 54.3% voting share.
A 51% to 54.3% majority may make a big difference in a presidential election where chads are hanging in the balance, but in Congress, belonging to the party with 51% of the seats doesn't mean all that much, particularly when a member of the "minority" party wields the right to veto (or tack a signing statement onto) anything you do.
It would certainly be a stretch to call the Democrats the "establishment" based on their current position in national politics.
Stump speech redux | 5:17 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
McCain was just giving a re-hash of all his prior speeches. His speechwriters
could have done better.
It was a typical McCain speech -- a noun, a verb, and POW.
It was a typical McCain speech -- a noun, a verb, and POW.
KingM | 5:39 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Yes, it's time for the Republicans to get elected so they can reform
Washington. Get those liberal activist judges out of the Supreme Court.
Oh, wait. The Republicans have held Congress 12 of the last 14 years and the presidency the last 8 years. Oh, and 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices were appointed by Republicans.
So what exactly are they trying to say with their change mantra?
Oh, wait. The Republicans have held Congress 12 of the last 14 years and the presidency the last 8 years. Oh, and 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices were appointed by Republicans.
So what exactly are they trying to say with their change mantra?
To: David O | 5:44 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Look at the religious people? Are you a bigot? Take a look at all the people
cheering for Obama who is FOR abortion and gay rights. Are you saying they are
or are not religious. It's people like you who get it all mixed up. The
thing that McCain said that was dead right was that we will be attacked again by
terrorists if we don't do something about it (by the way, terrorists are a
group of religious people who believe that you are better off dead). Terrorist
countries, N. Korea, Russia all want a democrate in office... hmmmmmm now what
does that tell you? it tells you that a republican scares them and they
can't do the evil things they want to do.
Interloper | 6:05 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
John McCain has been in Congress for more than half my life, and I am not young.
He was in Congress a decade before Bristol Palin was born. He celebrated his
silver anniversary in Congress before her fetus was conceived. The man is a
retread's retread. How can anyone not see that he is part of the very
thing he claims he wants to change?
huh? | 6:09 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Last time I checked, gop had the white house for thepast 7 years. Last time
checked the gop had control of congress 6 out of the last 7 years.
McCain is running against... himself. Nice move, move the hand quickly and the dumb public won't notice that you have hidden the pea in your hand.
McCain is running against... himself. Nice move, move the hand quickly and the dumb public won't notice that you have hidden the pea in your hand.
Really? | 6:11 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
to establishment: do you really need to reminded you that the republicans
controlled the executive and the legislative branches of government for six of
the last eight years? Do you really need to reminded of the razor thin majority
in the legislature? Do you really need to be reminded of how Bush has sought to
obstruct the legislature at every turn by withholding requested information,
threats and actual use of the veto pen he lost the first six years? How he has
taking his case to the courts when he did not get his way? Sorry but not going
to fall for it.
Anonymous | 6:47 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I saw something different last night than the rest of you. I think he is
sincere and honest. I find all four people - Obama, Biden, McCain and Pallin,
to be admirable people. This is first time in my 35 years of voting that all
the candidates are decent people. However, I think that McCain's breadth
of experiences will play well for America.
SlowS | 6:53 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I could not respect McCain more for his service to our country. I honor and
admire him. That being said, he is only offering four more years of a repeat of
the power-brokers who have nearly wrecked our country's economy and foreign
relations.
Don't forget | 7:03 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
It is the democrate that makes everything messy and the Republican who has to
straighten it out. Let's not forget that Clinton HAD Osama bin Laden and
let him go then the repulican had to go after him. If Clinton hadn't have
messed things up then the war wouldn't have been necessary.
I'm not for McCain but he's the lesser of the two evil choices placed before us today. Obama has NO experience and Biden who will carry the team. Therefore, I will vote for McCain and No How, No Way, NO OBAMA.
I'm not for McCain but he's the lesser of the two evil choices placed before us today. Obama has NO experience and Biden who will carry the team. Therefore, I will vote for McCain and No How, No Way, NO OBAMA.
SO | 7:45 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
For those of you that don't believe that McCain and Bush are the same
person last night's speech should have removed all fear. His proposals fell
directly in line with what W. has championed for 8 miserable years in office. In
fact the only places that McCain differed was he was even more adamant about
school vouchers and the like. McCain has promised to change the establishment
and you saw how well the crowd received that info. The man is the establishment
and will find it hard to change the habits he has had for the last 30 years of
being a good ole boy
Phoebe | 7:46 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
The Republicans are hoping the voters are such boobs that they'll respond
to empty slogans and forget about the facts. And why not? It's worked
before. We voters get the leaders we deserve . . . and if we fall for this
stuff yet again, this is all we deserve.
sarah | 7:49 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I have made my decision. I will vote for Obama because I want that new car that
he mentioned in his acceptance speech. He said all would afford a new car and I
need one. I also could use better health insurance and I would like to see all
of my grandchildren get as good an education as Mr Obama. He promised that as
well. If that will happen, I will have a bunch of Harvard lawyers in my
family.
Go Obama!!! I want to receive all of the handouts.
Go Obama!!! I want to receive all of the handouts.
Think, Think Think | 8:00 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
It will be one thing to get new administrators at the top but in reality voters
what you need to do is get every incumbent senator and congressman out of office
if you really want to change the direction of this country. Then and only then
can a new president and his administration change the direction of this country.
This rats nest back in D.C. needs to be thrown out. You know Utah what that
means here- Hatch, Bennett, Bishop, Matheson and every incumbent in state office
needs to be dumped. Give whoever the new president might be a chance to change
things by working with new caring(hopefully) state representatives. Thats how we
will make a change. These grey bearded, power mongrels in office now will resist
any change a new president wants to make.
gf | 8:03 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I remember in the seventies a Utahn ran for the Senate on the "change"
platform. He thought lifetime politicians were the problem and promised to only
run for two terms. Wonder what Orrin Harch is doing now?
Observer | 8:05 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I feel sorry for John McCain. No matter how much pancake makeup he wears, he
still comes across as a worn out, tired old man.
Op Ed from the New York Times? | 8:20 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Can't the Deseret News take an news story from a mainstream paper instead
of the elite New York Times? Bizarre indeed. McCain's life as a prisoner of
war, spoken with humility, was a portrait of leadership. Sorry, you missed an
opportunity to tell the real story.
To: sarah | 8:23 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
It will be like the gimicks you get in your emails that claim that "you
have won" now all you have to do is give you bank account and personal
information so you can claim your prize that never existed in the first place.
Yet, Obama's your Mama alright. If you remember that Hillary Clinton
preached and preached about medical reform and it never happend the whole eight
years she and her husband were in office, it never happened. Just another
democrate's empty promise. All talk and no action.
Observer | 8:44 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
McCain's personal story is old and has been told over and over. That's
all his speech was. The same old story. McCain was a POW 40 years ago. He made a
bad decision to support the Vietnam war then, he made a bad decision to support
the Iraq war now. He never learns. And despite how McCain and the GOP are
attempting to steal the Democratic message of change, people see it for what it
is. More of the same that we've had under Bush for the last 8 years.
BobP | 9:00 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Remember, after 4 years of McCain we can consider * years of Palin.
The fools here who are attacking Palin for her daughter's pregnancy must be those Pharisees who were perfect children and who had perfect children.
The fools here who are attacking Palin for her daughter's pregnancy must be those Pharisees who were perfect children and who had perfect children.
Anonymous | 9:00 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I'm not convinced that a person who was tortured qualifies him as a world
leader.
I'd say it would qualify him as a loose cannon.
I'd say it would qualify him as a loose cannon.
Webster | 9:03 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
What is a democrate?
Ann | 9:09 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I'm an Obama supporter but I wasn't completely convinced McCain was
going to be "four more years of Bush" until I heard Palin speak. Now
I'm convinced she is nothing but a female George W. (albeit a slightly
smarter version). Now I'm convinced!
Talking or Acting | 9:11 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I agree with Think, Think Think.
The U.S. Constitution is a magnificent document with built in Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances.
One Branch may try to change the way things are happening in Washington D.C. but could be blocked by the other two branches.
There are two sides to every election. One is that years of service are very meaningful which means that the person has either learned to facilitate or block whatever is wanted.
Why can't we have term limits in the Legislative Branch as we have with the Administrative. Remember close to 100 years ago when Senator Hatch ran on the fact that his opponent had been in office too long.
Politicians can influence voters into thinking things will change, but if they don't, the only way voters have of getting them out is at the next election, or impeachment which is next to impossible. However, most of us have short memories and we forget what was promised versus what was delivered.
Thousands of persons make their livings by manipulating people's minds and politicians are no different.
These are difficult issues, something akin to "throwing out the baby with the bathwater."
The U.S. Constitution is a magnificent document with built in Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances.
One Branch may try to change the way things are happening in Washington D.C. but could be blocked by the other two branches.
There are two sides to every election. One is that years of service are very meaningful which means that the person has either learned to facilitate or block whatever is wanted.
Why can't we have term limits in the Legislative Branch as we have with the Administrative. Remember close to 100 years ago when Senator Hatch ran on the fact that his opponent had been in office too long.
Politicians can influence voters into thinking things will change, but if they don't, the only way voters have of getting them out is at the next election, or impeachment which is next to impossible. However, most of us have short memories and we forget what was promised versus what was delivered.
Thousands of persons make their livings by manipulating people's minds and politicians are no different.
These are difficult issues, something akin to "throwing out the baby with the bathwater."
Mike | 9:20 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Republicans = Change. What a crock! Well, they can't exactly run on their
acomplishments. That's it folks, elect the war "hero" and the
"pit bull with lipstick". That's just what this country needs.
Don't worry about middle class problems, health care, uncessary waring in
foreign lands, social security, medicare, the US Constitution, the bill of
rights, habeus corpus, illegal spying on americans etc. Never fear America,
just vote for the flag wavers. Papa McCain and Moma Pit Bull will keep you
safe. Be very very afraid America. There's a black man that just might
take over, and we whiteys, know what that means. Woooooooo......
East Coast Reader | 9:54 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Unfortunately we only have a choice between a mediocre senator and a socialist -
quasi Marxist - pro-abortionist Senator for President so to me it's a no
brainer going with McCain. The change Obama talks about is definitely for the
wrong reasons although for some reason all the gullible people and socialists
treat him like a rock star. It's much better to at least maintain the
status quo and have McCain try out his ideas then risk everything for
Obama's communist/social ideas that have failed all over the globe in other
countries. What amazes me is how Obama voted present 160 times on senate votes
- he can't even take a side - I'm surprised he was actually there. He
hasn't done a darn thing in the senate except work on his campaign, so I
wouldn't expect him to really do anything if he becomes president - same
old BS we got from Carter and Clinton - those were miserable years ( thank
heavens technology saved our butts in the nineties). Real change willonly come
when we replace 90% of Congress.
Anonymous | 9:55 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
These are surely the saddest times for the GOP.
To Mike | 10:20 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Just exactly will having Nobama in the white house improve things?
He's a demo. He will raise taxes, leave our borders open, destroy the healthcare industry, kill babies, and just screw things up more.
Nobama = Jimmy Carter II
Be afraid, be VERY afraid.
Mellie | 10:48 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
How can a candidate who has hosted a convention so filled with rancor expect to
be taken seriously when he later states that he will end partisan politics?
hahahahahahahaha
Grimble | 10:47 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
John McCain: "THROW THE BUMS OUT! Oh, wait. We ARE the bums...."
Shaking in Their Boots | 10:55 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
People, people, people, the Dems have all been handed their talking points and
they sound like broken records. Isn't there an independent thought among
them? Dems are shaking in their boots. The Republican base, like a sleeping
giant, has been completely awakened and invigorated. Sad times for the GOP? I
don't think so. The momentum has changed. The invincible one who walks
on water and parts the seas, has reached his apex and from now on, it is all
downhill, albeit gradually--but surely. McCain/Palin will clean the Obama/Biden
clock on election day. The American people will reject the Dems'
half-truths, lies and venom which will all have been in vain on election day.
Anonymous | 11:00 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I get a kick out of the neocons who tell everybody they will NOT raise taxes.
The country is in debt to its ears.
How do you think all that money is going to be generated to pay for the Republican's wars?
The fatcats are going to bail us out?
LOL!
The country is in debt to its ears.
How do you think all that money is going to be generated to pay for the Republican's wars?
The fatcats are going to bail us out?
LOL!
Clear Choice | 11:05 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
So at last Dem's and Rep's agree on something: We need CHANGE in
Washington! Then who do we vote for the guy who talks about it and will raise
taxes to do it or the guy who has and will do something about it at a lower cost
to the already stressed tax payer. For me the choice is clear! MCAIN/PALIN
Don't forget the DEM's have had control of the senate for two years and have done nothing to change anything. They can't blame Bush for veto because he rarely vetoes anything! What we have now is a democratic congress having their way and a President who has let them. What a huge mess! Think twice before putting more Senatorial Dem's in office again!
Don't forget the DEM's have had control of the senate for two years and have done nothing to change anything. They can't blame Bush for veto because he rarely vetoes anything! What we have now is a democratic congress having their way and a President who has let them. What a huge mess! Think twice before putting more Senatorial Dem's in office again!
Re: Re: establishment 3:29a | 11:08 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
More Democrat double-speak. The Dems are expert at it. We DO have a
Democrat-controlled obstructionist, do-nothing congress no matter how they spin
it.
shook up | 11:28 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
It's great seeing you Lib's beside youselves. Gov. Palin has you all
in a tizzie!! More fun than I've had in years!
Anonymous | 11:45 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Just like the neocons believing Cheney and Bush would lead them to the promised
land with their WMD's in Iraq and Iraq being responsible for 9/11, these
same poor chumps believe McBush and Palin will be in the Whitehouse and will
create thousands and thousands of jobs.
LOL!
LOL!
Ben | 11:53 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
For you Republicans out there, what has that party done for you? Anything?
Unless your a CEO or happen to be very wealthy you probably can't think of
much. So why vote R? Undoubtedly the answer will be "values".
It's okay that woman can make less than men, its okay to give rich people
and oil companies tax breaks becuase they agree with my values.
Observer | 11:54 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Palin has the democrats shaking in their boots.....shaking with laughter.
Republican Control | 11:55 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
The Democrats have only had control for the last 9 months or so, the Republicans
have had control for the last 7 years. HMM who's to blame, well lets see
that's not hard, The Republicans. That was the worst speech, he said
nothing about a plan to fix the mess his party made,he is trying so hard to
distance himself. But when you vote 95% of the time with the person responsible,
that makes you responsible.
Anonymous | 11:57 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I'll take someone who has been proven is war any time over a Chicago
community activist who has not accomplished anything except to get the
democrats's nomination.
Dear Ben | 11:59 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Tax breaks across the board. That is what the party has done for me and for
you...
Fool me twice? | 12:11 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I voted for Bush and it makes me sick. I would have voted for Romney if he were
the candidate, because we definitely need competence and change. I watched both
conventions and made up my mind. There is no way I am going to let the
evangelicals control this country. McCain is old and has cancer, Palin I
don't trust at all.
RE: 7:03 A.M. | 12:20 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Drop it on Clinton having the cross hairs on Bin Ladin. Maybe he did maybe he
didn't. The current idiot in the White House has had the cross hairs on
him since 2001 and still can't seem to find the cave dweller. But think
about it, why would he want to? That would end the war that Bush's cronnies
are profitting from. Oh yeah, he has "flawed intelligence". We heard
that one before.
I hope the Demacrats win. I am not one but they couldn't screw up the country any worse than the destructive Republicans.
I hope the Demacrats win. I am not one but they couldn't screw up the country any worse than the destructive Republicans.
sammyd | 12:29 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
No change. In the early 70's we had a gas shortage until they were allowed
to build a pipeline, in the 80's we had an oil shortage until protected
off-shore oil leases were sold to them at an undervalued price. The latest
shortage is about Alaska and claiming oil leases in protected areas to go with
the 62 million acres of unused leases they already have stockpiled.
(wouldn't it be great if leases expired every 10 years if not used?)
McCains choice was obvious, the Govenor of Alaska who favors giving oil leases even in primative widlife refuges. Just think of the oil money the Republicans are raking in. Business as usual.
McCains choice was obvious, the Govenor of Alaska who favors giving oil leases even in primative widlife refuges. Just think of the oil money the Republicans are raking in. Business as usual.
Grimble | 12:39 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Yeah, I guess the choice this year is between the tax-and-spend democrats and
the SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND Republicans.
Who was the last president to have a balanced budget?
Clinton.
Who was the president who bloated the federal budget and expanded government more than any other?
Bush II.
Who was it before that?
Bush I.
Who was it before that?
Reagan.
Every four years the Republicans talk the talk, but when they get elected they never walk the walk.
Or, to put it another way:
Republicans run on the platform of how incompetent government is.
Then they take office and prove themselves correct.
Who was the last president to have a balanced budget?
Clinton.
Who was the president who bloated the federal budget and expanded government more than any other?
Bush II.
Who was it before that?
Bush I.
Who was it before that?
Reagan.
Every four years the Republicans talk the talk, but when they get elected they never walk the walk.
Or, to put it another way:
Republicans run on the platform of how incompetent government is.
Then they take office and prove themselves correct.
Interesting tidbit | 12:57 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I thought it was an interesting statistic that was shown on the TV screen last
night about the Republican delegates themselves. They are 91% white. And over
50% of them make over $500,000.
Enjoy | 1:03 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Establishment drank the koolaid rather than holding his voting accountable for
the mounting economic problem looming in America.
Utahans hate to admit this. If California catches a cold Utah gets pneumonia. Think of the Californians not buying homes in St. George. Then, there are the ski vacations they won't be taking. Their are more Mormons in California than Utah. Tithing is linked to incomes.
Many of you will be unemployed in the next few months. The less consumers purchase here the fewer miles England's trucks travel.
It's trickling down. When you are taking church handout to feed your kids. Think how you should up against gay marriage.
Utahans hate to admit this. If California catches a cold Utah gets pneumonia. Think of the Californians not buying homes in St. George. Then, there are the ski vacations they won't be taking. Their are more Mormons in California than Utah. Tithing is linked to incomes.
Many of you will be unemployed in the next few months. The less consumers purchase here the fewer miles England's trucks travel.
It's trickling down. When you are taking church handout to feed your kids. Think how you should up against gay marriage.
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