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Don't vote for her then... | 12:28 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
When all is said and done in November, will you accept the President whoever it
is, or will you only be satisfied if Obama is elected because he represent
change? Has Obama ever governed anything?
NB | 12:55 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Thank goodness for ubiquitous camcorders, podcasting churches, Google and
YouTube. You can easily find a wide assortment of Sarah Palin, _in her own
words_, establishing beyond doubt her own staggering hubris, willful ignorance
of basic history and science, and genuinely horrifying personal theology.
That Senator McCain would select her as his running mate reveals that he is himself capable of exercising dangerously poor judgement.
But, this is Utah, Sarah Palin is a Republican, and she has a pretty smile. She's being treated like a savior in heels.
That Senator McCain would select her as his running mate reveals that he is himself capable of exercising dangerously poor judgement.
But, this is Utah, Sarah Palin is a Republican, and she has a pretty smile. She's being treated like a savior in heels.
John C. | 2:47 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Just for the record can eather of you count how many governers we've had
who became president? Scince I started voting there was Ragen (Who stoped the
cold war). Clinton and Bush.
And sorry to NB that we in utah tend to vote for people who share our ideals sorry that bothers you so much. Perhaps you should go back to California?
And sorry to NB that we in utah tend to vote for people who share our ideals sorry that bothers you so much. Perhaps you should go back to California?
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Zac | 4:50 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Well it's a good thing Obama comes packed with experience, right?
Juno effect | 5:28 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
What I find ironic is that last year, a popular movie entitled "Juno"
about a young teenager's struggles to do the right thing when she gets
pregnant (by offering her baby up for adoption) was widely criticized by
right-wing religious groups claiming the film glorified teenaged pregnancy. For
those of us who saw the film, we saw it very differently as a realistic slice of
life --both humorous but heartfelt. What I find ironic now is how the religious
right has embraced Bristol Palin for her very same predicament. With
Republicans out to cut funding for single mothers, but now forced to embrace one
as their own, perhaps the GOP may wake up and see that social issues such as
this must be funded if we are to reduce abortion. Maybe real sex education is
needed as well! It's sad that Palin is forcing Bristol to marry her
immature boyfriend when statistics show that teen marriages are most likely to
fail. Is marrying the right move? Is not offering this baby up to adoptive
parents who really want a baby a better course of action? In the political
spotlight, it looks like the right thing is no longer an option.
GWB | 5:30 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
NB, have you heard about the anti-semetic teachings of her church? Google it
and you will find a sermon while she was in attendance where the Pastor
proclaimed that the attacks by Palestinians on Jews was "judgement"
for not believing in the one true savior. I wonder how Joe Lieberman feels
about that.
Oh, and did you hear the McCain campaign say that Palin would not be doing any interviews or taking questions from reporters? They want to make sure that they keep her in a scripted bubble so that she cannot be pressed to answer a question they have not previously screened.
Anyway, in the end it does not matter how the people of Utah vote. If Obama wins it will be in spite of Utah giving McCain his largest margin of any state. If McCain wins, he will do so without having ever campigned in Utah and in spite of his mother's anti-mormon statement.
Oh, and did you hear the McCain campaign say that Palin would not be doing any interviews or taking questions from reporters? They want to make sure that they keep her in a scripted bubble so that she cannot be pressed to answer a question they have not previously screened.
Anyway, in the end it does not matter how the people of Utah vote. If Obama wins it will be in spite of Utah giving McCain his largest margin of any state. If McCain wins, he will do so without having ever campigned in Utah and in spite of his mother's anti-mormon statement.
Mike Richards | 5:59 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Yes, of course, Sarah Palin is a "liability" - to the Democrats. For
the first time in years, the Republicans have someone they can cheer. Sarah
Palin has captured the hearts and minds of Republicans across this nation. She
is the reason that John McCain will sit at the desk in the Oval Office in
January. She will be the reason that Republicans will vote for a candidate for
President, rather than writing in someone who is not on the ticket.
The Democrats "wish" that they could take her out of the picture, but she's here and she's a winner. No matter how the Democrats try to smear her, all they're doing is showing America how crude and petty and coarse they can be. They had the chance to elect Hillary, but they chose Obama. Now they'll have to live with that choice. It's all about "choice" and the consequences of "choice".
In November, it will be very clear, that America doesn't agree with the Democrat Party's "choice" of candidates.
The Democrats "wish" that they could take her out of the picture, but she's here and she's a winner. No matter how the Democrats try to smear her, all they're doing is showing America how crude and petty and coarse they can be. They had the chance to elect Hillary, but they chose Obama. Now they'll have to live with that choice. It's all about "choice" and the consequences of "choice".
In November, it will be very clear, that America doesn't agree with the Democrat Party's "choice" of candidates.
Anonymous | 6:28 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
He selected her for one simple reason, the conservative evangelicals love her.
80% of evangelicals have a favorable view of her. She is not getting nearly as
warm a reception from independents or women, which is why McCain tried to play
the middle (of the road) man last night.
ceg | 7:48 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
The dems are worried because she has more experience than their number one guy,
Obama.
So? | 7:55 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Every candidate has upside and down. You have to choose from the parties those
that represent what you believe. The argument that is most laughable is the
experience question. Just a week ago Dems would argue that Pres. Lincoln had no
experience and was a great leader. Now they complain that Palin has no
experience and MIGHT become president. The democratic presidential nominee has
little experience and they want him to BE president. I have no experience and
yet believe I could govern better than GWB or many other elected officials. I
want someone who will stop the wasteful practices of our federal government. I
want to make the playing field fair for everyone. I want to encourage everyone
to achieve. I want to help those that can't help themselves. Lets quit
the petty arguments about my team and yours and think about whats best for our
country.
She is Liability? | 8:13 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I am afraid that all the reasons why people are not going to vote for her or
shouldn't vote for her, the people are to obtuse to understand these
reasons. She is a hit with the people.
Grover | 8:24 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Has McCain ever governed anything?? So both Presidential candidates are the same
in that regard. Since Congress is apparently the problem, which has caused more
of the problem, someone there three years or someone there 26 years? Someone who
has voted with a failed administration over 90% or someone opposed to that
administration's policies?
to ceg | 8:29 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
What a silly comment. Republicans are throwing around the ludicrous talking
point that she has more experience than Obama. No Democrat believes it or is
worried about it.
Gus Talwynd | 8:33 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
The wisdom of selecting Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate is
genius. McCain was losing his evangelical Right base. Sarah Palin appeals to
that base much as George W. Bush is recognized as their guiding light.
Depending upon how John McCain uses Sarah Palin and the role she shall play in a McCain White House, it is a perfect gesture to the social conservatives that the Bush years will continue as basic policy.
The debate about Sarah Palin is only within the Republican Party with the party leadership and advisors at odds with the evangelical base. However, in this instance, it is the base that wins because McCain had no change if he had picked his favorite, Joe Lieberman.
The opposition Democrats will find much in Sarah Palin to criticize and will make her stand on social issues and quest for economic earmarks a central issue of the campaign. Taking the money for the Bridge to Nowhere, first supporting it and then opposing it after it became a political liability, is but one telling example.
Now McCain must prove to Democrats and Moderates that his has not become more McBush in these last two months of the election.
Depending upon how John McCain uses Sarah Palin and the role she shall play in a McCain White House, it is a perfect gesture to the social conservatives that the Bush years will continue as basic policy.
The debate about Sarah Palin is only within the Republican Party with the party leadership and advisors at odds with the evangelical base. However, in this instance, it is the base that wins because McCain had no change if he had picked his favorite, Joe Lieberman.
The opposition Democrats will find much in Sarah Palin to criticize and will make her stand on social issues and quest for economic earmarks a central issue of the campaign. Taking the money for the Bridge to Nowhere, first supporting it and then opposing it after it became a political liability, is but one telling example.
Now McCain must prove to Democrats and Moderates that his has not become more McBush in these last two months of the election.
GeeBee | 8:38 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I'll ask again...Mike Richards...be honest with yourself- 2 weeks ago,
Sarah Palin was a foreign name to you. Be honest with yourself- should
something happen to McCain in the first year of the presidency, out of all the
possible contenders, Sarah Palin is the one most qualified to run the country?
Give me a break, man.
wrz | 8:43 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
"Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, with a population of 5,469, from
1996-2002, and as governor of Alaska for less than two years. This is certainly
not enough experience to govern at the national level."
Compare that to your guy, Osama, who was a Community Organizer for perhaps 500 people whose projects are now mostly empty and boarded up. He voted mostly "present" as a state senator and spent most of his two years in the US Senate campaigning.
Comparatively, there's no question Palin has more administrative experience. And she's not even running for pres. Osama's your light-weight. How anyone can vote for him based on experience is a mystery.
Compare that to your guy, Osama, who was a Community Organizer for perhaps 500 people whose projects are now mostly empty and boarded up. He voted mostly "present" as a state senator and spent most of his two years in the US Senate campaigning.
Comparatively, there's no question Palin has more administrative experience. And she's not even running for pres. Osama's your light-weight. How anyone can vote for him based on experience is a mystery.
wrz | 8:58 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
to ceg | 8:29 a.m. ----
"What a silly comment. Republicans are throwing around the ludicrous talking point that she has more experience than Obama."
Show us where this isn't true. Administratively, she ran a city and a state, Osama ran a housing project.
"No Democrat believes it or is worried about it."
Democrats seldom embrace or believe the truth.
"What a silly comment. Republicans are throwing around the ludicrous talking point that she has more experience than Obama."
Show us where this isn't true. Administratively, she ran a city and a state, Osama ran a housing project.
"No Democrat believes it or is worried about it."
Democrats seldom embrace or believe the truth.
2 bits | 9:02 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Your welcome to your opinion, but I think many clear minded (not fogged by
partisan-blinders that only let them see the negative in anything about their
opposition) people will disagree with you.
If you're really so blind that you haven't noticed the buzz (mostly possitive) that followed the Palin announcement you really are deep into the Democrat coolaid.
If you're really so blind that you haven't noticed the buzz (mostly possitive) that followed the Palin announcement you really are deep into the Democrat coolaid.
PJ | 9:05 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
GeeBee | 8:38 a.m. said:
>>>>I'll ask again...Mike Richards...be honest with yourself- 2 weeks ago, Sarah Palin was a foreign name to you. Be honest with yourself- should something happen to McCain in the first year of the presidency, out of all the possible contenders, Sarah Palin is the one most qualified to run the country? Give me a break, man.<<<<
You're ignoring the big question... "Out of all the contenders, is Osama qualified to run the country?
Palin has arguably just as much knowledge of government as Osama... and tons more administrative experience.
>>>>I'll ask again...Mike Richards...be honest with yourself- 2 weeks ago, Sarah Palin was a foreign name to you. Be honest with yourself- should something happen to McCain in the first year of the presidency, out of all the possible contenders, Sarah Palin is the one most qualified to run the country? Give me a break, man.<<<<
You're ignoring the big question... "Out of all the contenders, is Osama qualified to run the country?
Palin has arguably just as much knowledge of government as Osama... and tons more administrative experience.
To John C. | 9:12 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Who spells Reagan Ragen? Honestly anyone who listens to someone who cant even
spell their favorite president's name needs to wake up.
to GeeBee | 9:18 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Before he started running for President, almost the minute he joined the Senate,
what did anyone know about Barack Obama? And how long did the media cover up his
issues to protect him? He can't believe that McCain is unsure of the exact
number of investment properties his wife owns, but expects us to believe that he
never knew his Pastor of 20 years was so "radical". He didn't
know the man that he has long associated with, and considered a good friend and
political mentor, had bombed the Pentagon and other areas, and in 2001 said he
wished he had done more terroristic activities? That is William Ayers. Google
his name and see if he is someone you would associate with in any realm.
What about the great mortgage deal Obama got through James Johnson, who was also part of Obama's VP search committee.
But lets not forget about Mr Rezko, a prominent campaign contributor of Obama's and also a good friend and patron. He is now under indictment for influence peddling and business fraud. He was also involved with Obama on a shady land deal.
Palin has undergone more media scrutiny in 1-week than Obama has in years.
What about the great mortgage deal Obama got through James Johnson, who was also part of Obama's VP search committee.
But lets not forget about Mr Rezko, a prominent campaign contributor of Obama's and also a good friend and patron. He is now under indictment for influence peddling and business fraud. He was also involved with Obama on a shady land deal.
Palin has undergone more media scrutiny in 1-week than Obama has in years.
Liability | 9:31 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
At least Palin's governed something, somewhere. Contrast that with Obama
who's done nothing but vote on stuff - I can do that too.
And don't play the population card. Biden's state only has 100k more people than Alaska but I don't hear Democrats complaining about that.
Hypocrisy, thy name is the Democratic Party.
And don't play the population card. Biden's state only has 100k more people than Alaska but I don't hear Democrats complaining about that.
Hypocrisy, thy name is the Democratic Party.
Hey Zac | 9:31 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Of course he has experience. He was an Illinois state senator. He voted on
hundreds of pieces of legislation.....several dozen of which he had the
fortitude, integrity, and character to vote "present". It takes a lot
of guts to let people know you were there and were to afraid of your future
political career to cast a vote.
Mike Richards | 9:41 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
GeeBee,
Your question will be answered in November. If a plurality of voters cast their ballot for McCain/Palin, then yes, those Americans who took the time to vote said with their ballot that Sarah Palin is qualified to lead this nation.
Of the four candidates, Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin, I would favor Sarah Palin over all of the others.
We're dealing with four people. You and I and all the others who participated in the Primary process eliminated anyone else from consideration (expect the minor candidates that could easily spoil the election for either the Republicans or the Democrats).
Are you sexist? Don't you think that a Governor could run the Country as well as a Senator whose greatest claim to experience is that of a community organizer? By the way, I'm not putting down Mr. Obama because he was a community organizer. I'm questioning his ability to be chief executive when he has never held a job that includes the responsibilities of chief executive.
Your question will be answered in November. If a plurality of voters cast their ballot for McCain/Palin, then yes, those Americans who took the time to vote said with their ballot that Sarah Palin is qualified to lead this nation.
Of the four candidates, Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin, I would favor Sarah Palin over all of the others.
We're dealing with four people. You and I and all the others who participated in the Primary process eliminated anyone else from consideration (expect the minor candidates that could easily spoil the election for either the Republicans or the Democrats).
Are you sexist? Don't you think that a Governor could run the Country as well as a Senator whose greatest claim to experience is that of a community organizer? By the way, I'm not putting down Mr. Obama because he was a community organizer. I'm questioning his ability to be chief executive when he has never held a job that includes the responsibilities of chief executive.
GWB | 9:56 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Come on GeeBee, you know Mike can't do that. He will tow the
O'Reilly, Rove, Rush, Hannity line.
Conicidentally, did you see the Daily show a couple of days ago where Rove proclaimed that Palin is qualified because she has been the Mayor of the 2nd largest city in Alaska (it is not with Fairbanks, Juneau and Ankorage ahead of it, pop 5700 when she ran it) and that she is Governor of the largest state in the US. Then he juxaposed this with Rove statements on Tim Kaine (D, VA) where he said he is not qualified to be President because his only experience is being Mayor of Richmond VA, the 105th largest city (pop 200,000) and being Gov of VA for 3 years.
Then he showed O'Reilly saying how Bristol Palin's pregnancy was none of anyones business as long as she isn't expecting public support for her or the baby, and then a clip of BillO talking about Jamie Lynn Spears being pregnant and unwed at 17. For Spears Bill said that an unmarried 17year old being pregnant is a disgrace and can only be reflective of bad parenting.
Oh, the hypocrisy is thick on the right wing.
Conicidentally, did you see the Daily show a couple of days ago where Rove proclaimed that Palin is qualified because she has been the Mayor of the 2nd largest city in Alaska (it is not with Fairbanks, Juneau and Ankorage ahead of it, pop 5700 when she ran it) and that she is Governor of the largest state in the US. Then he juxaposed this with Rove statements on Tim Kaine (D, VA) where he said he is not qualified to be President because his only experience is being Mayor of Richmond VA, the 105th largest city (pop 200,000) and being Gov of VA for 3 years.
Then he showed O'Reilly saying how Bristol Palin's pregnancy was none of anyones business as long as she isn't expecting public support for her or the baby, and then a clip of BillO talking about Jamie Lynn Spears being pregnant and unwed at 17. For Spears Bill said that an unmarried 17year old being pregnant is a disgrace and can only be reflective of bad parenting.
Oh, the hypocrisy is thick on the right wing.
to GWB | 10:23 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Watch all of O'Reilly. Jamie Lynn Spears is not the only daughter in that
family with issues. Arguably her issues are not nearly as bad as
Brittany's. So when you combine the 2-daughters, there is some parenting
trouble, especially when you actually talk to their parents it becomes evident.
who is top of ticket? | 10:26 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
John McCain looked for someone to out-shine Obama. He selected someone that
outshines himself. People would rather listen to Palin because she's new
on the scene. She makes McCain look even more old fashioned. Too bad
she'll be shuffled off to the VP position where she won't be able to
accomplish anything.
MEB | 10:26 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Hey - I like the new Gus! Very good post!
The person who is the most happy with McCain's choice is Biden. They are lobbing softballs at him, and have done for the past week. Since Palin's announcement, the press is giving Biden a free pass.
Here's an interesting statistic. 6 months ago, Democrats soundly rejected Biden's bid for the oval office. Of the nearly 40 million votes cast by Democrats in the primaries, they only cast about 80,000 for Biden. He was one of the first to bow out. What's that, about 0.2% of the vote? He only got 3% of the vote in his own state!! Now Dems are all over him as the right guy to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? The right guy to push the change they are clamoring over?
And Palin? She got more votes from Alaskans when she ran for Governor of that 'small' state. 114,000 Alaskans gave her a vote of confidence as opposed to 80,000 Democrats nationwide.
Do Democrats really want Biden? Do they even really like him?
And GeeBee, if McCain had selected God himself to be his running mate, you still wouldn't have voted for him.
The person who is the most happy with McCain's choice is Biden. They are lobbing softballs at him, and have done for the past week. Since Palin's announcement, the press is giving Biden a free pass.
Here's an interesting statistic. 6 months ago, Democrats soundly rejected Biden's bid for the oval office. Of the nearly 40 million votes cast by Democrats in the primaries, they only cast about 80,000 for Biden. He was one of the first to bow out. What's that, about 0.2% of the vote? He only got 3% of the vote in his own state!! Now Dems are all over him as the right guy to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? The right guy to push the change they are clamoring over?
And Palin? She got more votes from Alaskans when she ran for Governor of that 'small' state. 114,000 Alaskans gave her a vote of confidence as opposed to 80,000 Democrats nationwide.
Do Democrats really want Biden? Do they even really like him?
And GeeBee, if McCain had selected God himself to be his running mate, you still wouldn't have voted for him.
Grover | 10:26 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Earth to Mike Richards: Nice try buddy! Gov. Palin is NOT at the top of the
ticket so "of the four candidates, I would prefer Sarah Palin over all of
the others" doesn't matter. You brought up "executive
experience" and stated "I'm questioning his ability to be chief
executive when he has never held a job that includes the responsibilities of
chief executive." If a four year senator has no executive background then
your guy has six times as much lack of executive experience. Ask yourself if
McCain were to have a minor heart attack before election day, would Pubs put
Palin at the top of the ticket?
Mike Richards | 10:45 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
I've waited for someone else to point out that if Democrats are so incensed
about un-married sex, they may want to explore the lives of a Mr. John F.
Kennedy and a Mr. William Clinton.
They may also want to consult with their local public health people and ask how many teenagers have been treated for sexually transmitted diseases because they believed President Clinton when he told the world that what he and his lady friends were doing was not sex.
Go up and down the roles of Congress and list those that have been "caught" in sexually compromising situations, tally up those numbers and then report back which party leads that race. But then, Democrats have always been good at telling everyone else how to live and how to give while doing just the opposite themselves.
They may also want to consult with their local public health people and ask how many teenagers have been treated for sexually transmitted diseases because they believed President Clinton when he told the world that what he and his lady friends were doing was not sex.
Go up and down the roles of Congress and list those that have been "caught" in sexually compromising situations, tally up those numbers and then report back which party leads that race. But then, Democrats have always been good at telling everyone else how to live and how to give while doing just the opposite themselves.
Oh Please | 10:51 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
You're nuts if you vote for Palin, whose brain belongs to Rush Limbaugh.
Everything she said is an echo of his scurrilous radio show, when she
wasn't misrepresenting her own record. This is truly a frightening woman.
@ Mike Richards | 11:19 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Mike Richards, do we really want to start listing all the politicians that have
had sex outside their marriages? the republicans are not going to far any better
then the democrats. Not to mention I do not think it would really help McCain
much if we start airing his dirty laundry. I think you and would probably agree
that this talk about Pains daughter is pointless but I really don't think
your post is heading in a dierction that is going to prove McCain is more fit
for office.
Mike Richards | 11:26 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Gover,
You and I read each other's posts regularly. Have I ever suggested that I would vote for Mr. McCain because of his executive experience? If I vote Republican this year, it will not be because of Mr. McCain's experience; rather, it will be because he had sense enough to realize that his view of America was not compatible with the view of Americans outside of Washington. He had the sense to bring on board someone who is completely in touch with the common, average American. He had the sense to look outside of Washington for the solution to the problems caused by those in Washington. Mr. McCain is either the luckiest guy in politics, or, perhaps, just perhaps, he actually knows what he is doing.
Clearly, Sarah Palin is not considered to be a liability by Mr. McCain.
You and I read each other's posts regularly. Have I ever suggested that I would vote for Mr. McCain because of his executive experience? If I vote Republican this year, it will not be because of Mr. McCain's experience; rather, it will be because he had sense enough to realize that his view of America was not compatible with the view of Americans outside of Washington. He had the sense to bring on board someone who is completely in touch with the common, average American. He had the sense to look outside of Washington for the solution to the problems caused by those in Washington. Mr. McCain is either the luckiest guy in politics, or, perhaps, just perhaps, he actually knows what he is doing.
Clearly, Sarah Palin is not considered to be a liability by Mr. McCain.
hard to believe | 11:28 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Hard to fathom there are STILL those who would admit they support Cheney and
Bush and everything they have done to this once great country.
It doesn't seem to bother them as they watch the country run into the ground while their leaders get filthy rich.
Such incredible ignorance!
It doesn't seem to bother them as they watch the country run into the ground while their leaders get filthy rich.
Such incredible ignorance!
wrz | 11:59 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Grover | 10:26 a.m. Sept. 5, 2008
"Ask yourself if McCain were to have a minor heart attack before election day, would Pubs put Palin at the top of the ticket?"
If B. Hussein Obama died of lung cancer (he smokes) before election day would you put Biden, the worst of all the Dem candidates, at the top of the ticket?
And another thing... is your guy, who did hard drugs as a young adult, a good example for America's youth?
"Ask yourself if McCain were to have a minor heart attack before election day, would Pubs put Palin at the top of the ticket?"
If B. Hussein Obama died of lung cancer (he smokes) before election day would you put Biden, the worst of all the Dem candidates, at the top of the ticket?
And another thing... is your guy, who did hard drugs as a young adult, a good example for America's youth?
MEB | 12:04 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Some of us believe this country is still great. With all of the mistakes, with
all of its warts (we've always had them), it's still the greatest
country in the world. I don't buy into this 'America is to blame for
all the world's evils' mantra coming from the left. I've always
been proud of my country, warts and all.
I had to laugh last night when McCain ripped the 'platform of change' right out from underneath Obama. His choice of a running mate shows that he is serious about change in Washington. Obama chose a Washington retread who had already been widely rejected by Democrats in the Primaries. Change? He may be looking for the White House to change from Republican to Democrat, but outside of that, it's politics as usual.
I had to laugh last night when McCain ripped the 'platform of change' right out from underneath Obama. His choice of a running mate shows that he is serious about change in Washington. Obama chose a Washington retread who had already been widely rejected by Democrats in the Primaries. Change? He may be looking for the White House to change from Republican to Democrat, but outside of that, it's politics as usual.
Hal | 12:05 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Mike Richards @ 10:45 a.m. said --- "I've waited for someone else to
point out that if Democrats are so incensed about un-married sex, they may want
to explore the lives of a Mr. John F. Kennedy and a Mr. William
Clinton."
This is expected conduct for liberal Democrats. That's why the press lets them get away with it. There's no shocking story to report.
PS: You forgot the escapades of Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick.
This is expected conduct for liberal Democrats. That's why the press lets them get away with it. There's no shocking story to report.
PS: You forgot the escapades of Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick.
To: Hard to believe | 12:11 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
This whole country is ignorant. The Republican party had the most qualified
candidate in their hands for President; Mitt Romney. I'm no conservative,
but he had the most experience, knowledge, and leadership qualities to run the
country. And yet the Republicans threw him down the drain because he is LDS.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON HE ISN'T IN MCCAINE"S POSITION RIGHT NOW.
And yet Utah will still vote red even though the elephants have squashed our wonderful state and culture into the ground time and time again.
You want someone who represents our values for President, so why are you picking a candidate whose party threw us down the drain because of our religion? Please someone help me understand this
And yet Utah will still vote red even though the elephants have squashed our wonderful state and culture into the ground time and time again.
You want someone who represents our values for President, so why are you picking a candidate whose party threw us down the drain because of our religion? Please someone help me understand this
Grover | 12:15 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
He had the sense to bring on Palin after the "base" told him that
Lieberman was a no go and they would bring up Huckabee for VP if he tried to get
"Joementum". McCain is already the "Not Mitt" to Utah Pubs.
Joe for VP would have made you stay home (or write in Mitt). Is it a Good
political move? So far a brilliant political move if he can successfully paint
Palin as mainstream to Independents while showing her as hard right to the
base. 60 days in politics is an eternity. Time will tell. Loose lips sink ships
(even those labeled "maverick").
wrz | 12:17 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
hard to believe | 11:28 a.m. ----
Hard to fathom there are STILL those who would admit they support Cheney and Bush and everything they have done to this once great country.
It doesn't seem to bother them as they watch the country run into the ground while their leaders get filthy rich.
I support Bush and Cheney for a number of reasons including: 1) Bush is our duly elected President, 2) he has kept this country safe from terrorist attack since Sept 01, and 3) he has maintained a healthy economy for the last six years (until the Dumbs took over Congress two years ago). What else of significance is there?
Hard to fathom there are STILL those who would admit they support Cheney and Bush and everything they have done to this once great country.
It doesn't seem to bother them as they watch the country run into the ground while their leaders get filthy rich.
I support Bush and Cheney for a number of reasons including: 1) Bush is our duly elected President, 2) he has kept this country safe from terrorist attack since Sept 01, and 3) he has maintained a healthy economy for the last six years (until the Dumbs took over Congress two years ago). What else of significance is there?
Admit it, she has "IT"! | 12:22 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
In my opinion, Sarah Palin has "It". I don't know what
"it" is for sure. Is it she's cute, she's spunky,
she's common, she's accessable, she's like me, she's not a
career politician, I don't know but she's got it and I like her.
Those on the left are so obviously jealous that the Republicans found Sarah Palin.
The left thought BO was the only one with charisma and "it". Well now the Republicans have found someone with "it" and the left can't handle it!
I still think Obama will beat McCain on issues and not his cuteness or washington outsider, community organizer, savior of the universe, first black president immage. But at least Palin will help make things interesting.
Those on the left are so obviously jealous that the Republicans found Sarah Palin.
The left thought BO was the only one with charisma and "it". Well now the Republicans have found someone with "it" and the left can't handle it!
I still think Obama will beat McCain on issues and not his cuteness or washington outsider, community organizer, savior of the universe, first black president immage. But at least Palin will help make things interesting.
Anonymous | 12:24 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
There was not one single thing wrz stated above that was the truth.
In fact, everything is exactly the opposite.
In fact, everything is exactly the opposite.
GWB | 12:28 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Mike Richards, Hal and others: When Mike said "I've waited for
someone else to point out that if Democrats are so incensed about un-married
sex, they may want to explore the lives of a Mr. John F. Kennedy and a Mr.
William Clinton," he misses the point.
The reason Democrats bring it up is that the Republican's are the party that believes that personal conduct outside of work is relevant to the job performance of an individual. Democrats have long held the belief that personal activities are personal and that a person/politician should be judge on how they execute their duties of the job.
Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for telling a lie about an extra-marital affair.
Now, when a Repbulican VP candidate elopes and has a baby 8 months later and her daughter follows and gets pregnant at 17, it is the GOP saying we should leave peoples personal lives out personal.
It is the double standard, impeaching Clinton on personal matters and they crying foul now that is the height of hypocrisy, not the press asking questions about Bristol Palin.
The reason Democrats bring it up is that the Republican's are the party that believes that personal conduct outside of work is relevant to the job performance of an individual. Democrats have long held the belief that personal activities are personal and that a person/politician should be judge on how they execute their duties of the job.
Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for telling a lie about an extra-marital affair.
Now, when a Repbulican VP candidate elopes and has a baby 8 months later and her daughter follows and gets pregnant at 17, it is the GOP saying we should leave peoples personal lives out personal.
It is the double standard, impeaching Clinton on personal matters and they crying foul now that is the height of hypocrisy, not the press asking questions about Bristol Palin.
Grover | 12:31 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
wrz: what else of significance? What about your Pres did hard drugs AND alcohol.
What kind of example is that to hockey moms?
Annoynomous @ 12:24 | 12:43 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
You're an idiot -- and what proof do you have? All the things that wrz
said is true.
a) Is George Bush not our elected president?
b) Have we had a terrorism attack on our country since 911 that even comes close to the type of human life taken at that time?
c) The economy was in good standing until Congress took over in 2006. Hum -- the same congress that WALKED OUT on even VOTING on an energy bill. Not even VOTING. Wow -- kinda like Obama voting present.
For all of you that like to claim that McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time -- Bush doesn't write law. McCain has voted 90% of the time in the last year with HIS PARTY. Republican. (and that's within the last year -- biased media -- only about 75% overall). Obama has voted 100% of the time with his party -- 100% -- when he has bothered to vote and think and not just whimp out saying "present" because he's too afraid he might be judged by actually voting for or against something.
a) Is George Bush not our elected president?
b) Have we had a terrorism attack on our country since 911 that even comes close to the type of human life taken at that time?
c) The economy was in good standing until Congress took over in 2006. Hum -- the same congress that WALKED OUT on even VOTING on an energy bill. Not even VOTING. Wow -- kinda like Obama voting present.
For all of you that like to claim that McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time -- Bush doesn't write law. McCain has voted 90% of the time in the last year with HIS PARTY. Republican. (and that's within the last year -- biased media -- only about 75% overall). Obama has voted 100% of the time with his party -- 100% -- when he has bothered to vote and think and not just whimp out saying "present" because he's too afraid he might be judged by actually voting for or against something.
MEB | 12:44 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
GWB - He was impeached for committing a felony. Had his own party had the
fortitude to do what Republicans do to Nixon during Watergate, they may have
maintained a little integrity. Instead, they stood behind a career liar and a
lawyer who was stupid enough to perjure himself.
BTW - looking at this article from an accounting standpoint, a liability is also an asset if it hasn't been 'bought and paid for'. So, in that sense, I'd agree that she is a liability.
BTW - looking at this article from an accounting standpoint, a liability is also an asset if it hasn't been 'bought and paid for'. So, in that sense, I'd agree that she is a liability.
Hal | 12:45 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
GWB | 12:28 p.m. ------
"The reason Democrats bring it up is that the Republican's are the party that believes that personal conduct outside of work is relevant to the job performance of an individual. Democrats have long held the belief that personal activities are personal and that a person/politician should be judge on how they execute their duties of the job."
So a bank robber or extortionist outside his normal work-a-day job is OK with you? Is that your point?
"Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for telling a lie about an extra-marital affair."
Bill was impeached for lying in a court of law and under oath. His own state pulled his lawyer's license.
"The reason Democrats bring it up is that the Republican's are the party that believes that personal conduct outside of work is relevant to the job performance of an individual. Democrats have long held the belief that personal activities are personal and that a person/politician should be judge on how they execute their duties of the job."
So a bank robber or extortionist outside his normal work-a-day job is OK with you? Is that your point?
"Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for telling a lie about an extra-marital affair."
Bill was impeached for lying in a court of law and under oath. His own state pulled his lawyer's license.
GWB | 12:46 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
WRZ, You are going to have a tough time when Barack Obama wins in November given
that you can't even bring yourself to use his real name rather than a
mocking name.
But, you compare Palin 1996 Mayor to Obama's Community organizer time. Let's look at the real resume comparison.
1980 - 1984
Obama: B.A. in political science from Columbia University.
Palin: Wasilla High School, runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant.
1985 - 1990
Obama: became a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP). Grew the budget from $70,000 to $400,000 and started job training programs, a college preparatory program, and tenants' rights organization.
Then attend Harvard Law School. Elected president of the Harvard Law Review, functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising a staff of 80 editors.
Palin: BS in Political Science from Uof Idaho then commercial fishing with Hubby.
1991 - 1995
Obama: graduated from Harvard Law School; Taught Constitutional Law at Uof Chicago and practiced civil rights for a law firm.
Palin: Joined the Alasaka Independence Party (which advocates Alaska seccession from the US) and elected to Wasilla city council.
more to come...
But, you compare Palin 1996 Mayor to Obama's Community organizer time. Let's look at the real resume comparison.
1980 - 1984
Obama: B.A. in political science from Columbia University.
Palin: Wasilla High School, runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant.
1985 - 1990
Obama: became a community organizer as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP). Grew the budget from $70,000 to $400,000 and started job training programs, a college preparatory program, and tenants' rights organization.
Then attend Harvard Law School. Elected president of the Harvard Law Review, functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising a staff of 80 editors.
Palin: BS in Political Science from Uof Idaho then commercial fishing with Hubby.
1991 - 1995
Obama: graduated from Harvard Law School; Taught Constitutional Law at Uof Chicago and practiced civil rights for a law firm.
Palin: Joined the Alasaka Independence Party (which advocates Alaska seccession from the US) and elected to Wasilla city council.
more to come...
wrz | 12:51 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
Grover | 12:31 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
"wrz: what else of significance? What about your Pres did hard drugs AND alcohol. What kind of example is that to hockey moms?"
Poor example. We elected one druggie, why make the same mistake twice?
"wrz: what else of significance? What about your Pres did hard drugs AND alcohol. What kind of example is that to hockey moms?"
Poor example. We elected one druggie, why make the same mistake twice?
@ GWB | 12:28 p.m. | 1:03 p.m. Sept. 5, 2008
GWB | 12:28 p.m.
I know you're too blind to see this, but Bill Clinton was impeached for admittedly lieing under oath to Congress (not for personal reasons).
Just thought I'd share that news flash with ya.
I know you're too blind to see this, but Bill Clinton was impeached for admittedly lieing under oath to Congress (not for personal reasons).
Just thought I'd share that news flash with ya.
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