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Johnny Utah #9 | 9:41 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
It's really sad that this type of stuff matters in an election. Most
politicians are lying, sneaky, underhanded crooks looking to make millions from
the American people. And yet, too many are concerned that she has a pregnant
daughter out of wedlock. Who cares? Is that an issue that will decide
America's fate? No. I hope Palin did smoke pot, and inhale, and then do it
again because she liked it. People gain life experiences by living outside the
sheltered box that many of you live in. Without the trials and tribulations of
these experiences, you're never pushed to make important decisions. Without
that you can't be a great leader. Since everything is so controlled in
Utah, deciding what tie to wear to church is the biggest decision most people
make here.
To: Roland Kayser | 9:41 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Mr. Kayser, drawing the similarity between a VP nominee's high school
daughter getting pregnant and the Commander in Chief having sex with his
employee are not even in the same ballpark.
If either affects how someone votes or feels about a candidate, that's their right. But those two scenarios are not the same.
If either affects how someone votes or feels about a candidate, that's their right. But those two scenarios are not the same.
David | 9:45 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Bristol Palin got pregnant outside of marriage. Abstinence education is blamed.
John Edwards allegedly has a child out of wedlock. Clearly explicit sex
education is to blame.
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Ute Alum / Jazz Fan | 9:53 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If McCain is elected we the tax payers get to pay for the care of new baby of
Bristol & Levi while they live in the basement of the VP house, getting
better medical & dental benefits than any of us will ever have. We get to
pay for the kiddies to fly home via Air Force Two to Alaska complete w/ S.
Service detail. And if this baby is born in Alaska, good old mom will be able
to hop on a government transport Gulfstream G5 and be there in time for
delivery. This woman has her hands full with her family and someone will suffer
as she attempts to fullfill her duties as VP. Maybe McCain will just have her
going to State funerals and making useless speeches just like that other GOP
bright choice -Dan Q.
Lee Benson is right, part 1 | 9:54 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Lee, I agree 100%. McCain and Palin are the ones responsible for bringing the
Palin family's crisis into the limelight, not the media or the public.
When she was announced as VP, and her wonders were proclaimed, I thought,
"Wow, can it be true? A real super-woman at last, who really can do it
all? How are the children are doing, I wonder?" Three days later we found
out. As career opportunities-of-a-lifetime come along to parents and spouses
whose families are in temporary states of great need, many thousands of women
AND men have and would decline them in order to care for the family. Many have
the courage to say, often in anquish, "I want to serve, but call me back in
five or ten years." They do so knowing the call may never come, but such
people are never forgotten by their families, not for generations. If they are
competent, opportunities will keep coming. This is not a sexist attitude, as I
heard one Christian Republican leader criticize on NPR this morning . . .
The "i" rules !!! | 9:57 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
As usual in this state. As long as the person has a R behind his or her name-
that person's life is off limits. But let it be a D or an I and all heck
breaks loose! The R leadership in this state is a joke. I'm not a D-
I'm one of those I's that the D's and R's talk about. The
R's VP choice is as bad as the D's VP choice! I do know that being a
Mayor in Alaska quailifies you for staring in Mayberry-that's about it.
the light | 10:06 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Whoever said Sarah Palin does not know U.S. History should also check
Obama's knowledge. Obama said he had visited 57 states and had one more to
go. For all you that question her experience explain what Obama has ever been
in charge of, where is his experience. Hanging out in racist churches? Or
withterrorists? Or with slum lords? I am not sure that exprerience qualifies
him any more than Sarah Palin.
Oops! | 10:14 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Lee,
You missed this one. I would argue that going through real family issues like a daughter having a child out of wedlock, qualifies her to be MORE in touch with Americans. I am sure she is not proud of her daughter's actions, but if this is the only 'dirt' they can dig up on her, then the media is really grasping at straws. And so what if she went back to work 3 days after her baby was born? That's not even newsworthy to me. Did she also leave the cap off the toothpaste once?
You missed this one. I would argue that going through real family issues like a daughter having a child out of wedlock, qualifies her to be MORE in touch with Americans. I am sure she is not proud of her daughter's actions, but if this is the only 'dirt' they can dig up on her, then the media is really grasping at straws. And so what if she went back to work 3 days after her baby was born? That's not even newsworthy to me. Did she also leave the cap off the toothpaste once?
Palin, Wrong for America | 10:16 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
We can see through this choice that McCain is following the Bush doctrine for
appointments. First, Dick Cheney, no elaboration necessary. Fran Townsend,
soccer mom with no experience or knowledge about homeland security but a wife of
a good friend. Mike Brown FEMA, relative of a big contributor. Personal
secretary Harriett Myers nominated for the supreme court. Halliburton and huge
no-bid contracts. If we want government to work for us, we need to get rid of
these guys and give the Dems a chance. They could not possibly do worse than
the Rebublicans have the last 8 years. I recall fondly the Clinton years as
peaceful, a strong economy, and we even had a budget surplus. Bring back the
good ol days. Bill for PREZ.
Our Motto | 10:17 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Do as We Say, Not as We Do.
Liberals are such loser liars | 10:18 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Going after Sarah Palin is so ridiculous. She's been a great Governor.
What has Obama been? A community organizer, that's it. Which means he
organized people to vote for him and further his political career. With Obama,
it's ALL about Obama. Become President and make mega-millions of bucks,
exactly what the Clintons did. It was all about the Clintons too. Greedy
selfish people that they are. For Palin, it's been all about the people
she works for, making life better for them. Grow up liberal hacks. Whatever
negatives you can find about Palin, there are worse to be said about Obama and
he's running for Pres, not VP.
Oh Please | 10:19 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If one of the Democrats' kids came up pregnant we'd hear nothing but
screaming about the immoral "Libbles." Not a word about McCain, fully
grown man who abandoned his crippled wife and children for a pretty blonde
millionairess who could "advance his career."
Hey D | 10:23 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Anyone could have picked an aging Senator for a running mate. There are lots of
them out there to choose from.
But a Sarah Palin.... now there you have someone trying to make a change.
I, personally, am pleased to see that she has made a few enemies while Governor in Alaska. If not, it would speak to her unwillingness to play agressively in the political arena. Politics is not a lovey-lovey business. Our leaders need to be tough, employ strategy, and respond as appropriate. Both nationally and internationally.
As Patton once said, and Sarah Palin is finding out, "God deliver us from our friends. We can handle our enemies."
But a Sarah Palin.... now there you have someone trying to make a change.
I, personally, am pleased to see that she has made a few enemies while Governor in Alaska. If not, it would speak to her unwillingness to play agressively in the political arena. Politics is not a lovey-lovey business. Our leaders need to be tough, employ strategy, and respond as appropriate. Both nationally and internationally.
As Patton once said, and Sarah Palin is finding out, "God deliver us from our friends. We can handle our enemies."
Collin Slade | 10:26 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
I am a republican, and I am here to tell you that the decisions candidates make
in their private lives DOES matter.
If a candidate can't control their conduct and leadership in their provincial, totally controllable private lives and family lives, why should they be trusted with their decison making, and leadership with greater responsibility????
Lack of fidelity and integrity mattered with Bill Clinton. It matters with Sarah Palin. And McCain, and Obama and everyone else who comes before the people and requests to lead.
If a candidate can't control their conduct and leadership in their provincial, totally controllable private lives and family lives, why should they be trusted with their decison making, and leadership with greater responsibility????
Lack of fidelity and integrity mattered with Bill Clinton. It matters with Sarah Palin. And McCain, and Obama and everyone else who comes before the people and requests to lead.
barbie | 10:30 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Flanked by Cindy and Sarah, we see John McCain's weakness for Barbies more
than ever.
HarryL | 10:37 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Do you know of one true 'blessing' here? We will no longer be
inundated by pictures of Brad and Angelina on the covers of People and the
Enquirer at the checkstand ... from now on it will be Levi, Bristol, and their
baby. Cheney's daughter is gay, Bush has a daughter who was a total
embarrassment, and nothing was said. Think about this. Sarah Palin is great. Her
kids love her, she has a great family, and she has answered a 'call'
to serve. What she is doing is sacrificial and I, and we all know, she fully
realizes the issues of not being home with her family. So they bring the family
to her in the White House. McCain could not have picked a better running mate.
Paperboy | 10:38 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
"Her private life should be off-limits," said Senator Bob Bennett.
So, a candidate's views on religion, family, the U.S. constitution, abortion, use of legal (alcohol) and illegal drugs, sexual preference, the right to bare arms, support for national defense, etc. should be kept private?
You can't have it both ways Bob. This statement just doesn't make sense. In the last 40 years or so (since Reagan was elected) there has been a strong precedent for intense public scrutiny of each party's candidate for the presidential ticket. Both the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate has undergone a vetting process through the press.
How a candidate has conducted himself or herself in private life goes to the heart of the matter of whether a person is fit for public service and deserves to hold one of the two most powerful public offices in the U.S., and the world, for that matter.
Why is Sarah Palin deserving of a different standard?
So, a candidate's views on religion, family, the U.S. constitution, abortion, use of legal (alcohol) and illegal drugs, sexual preference, the right to bare arms, support for national defense, etc. should be kept private?
You can't have it both ways Bob. This statement just doesn't make sense. In the last 40 years or so (since Reagan was elected) there has been a strong precedent for intense public scrutiny of each party's candidate for the presidential ticket. Both the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate has undergone a vetting process through the press.
How a candidate has conducted himself or herself in private life goes to the heart of the matter of whether a person is fit for public service and deserves to hold one of the two most powerful public offices in the U.S., and the world, for that matter.
Why is Sarah Palin deserving of a different standard?
Donovan | 10:41 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
I am LDS and I realize that abortion has been legal since 1973. It is still
legal.
I voted republican several times because of the abortion issue, but nothing has ever been done, nor will it ever.
I have come to the conclusion that we have been lied to for votes, period the end.
When I look at the state of the nation after the last eight years I get sick.
I don't care aboout "well it this fault, or that fault", the republicans have been at the top of the tree, and they have devistated the country to the point of no return. (I hope not, but just look around).
I must vote for anybody who has a different vision for "we the people". I will put religion on the side burner this time around.
I voted republican several times because of the abortion issue, but nothing has ever been done, nor will it ever.
I have come to the conclusion that we have been lied to for votes, period the end.
When I look at the state of the nation after the last eight years I get sick.
I don't care aboout "well it this fault, or that fault", the republicans have been at the top of the tree, and they have devistated the country to the point of no return. (I hope not, but just look around).
I must vote for anybody who has a different vision for "we the people". I will put religion on the side burner this time around.
Alma | 10:42 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Romney for Pres?
Romney for VP?
Don't the LDS know that the Republican Party laugh at the Mormons behind closed doors? Better wake up!
The GPO is run by the Southern religious right and they have no place for Mormons.
Do the Democrats constantly bring up Senator Harry Read religion? No.
It was reported by the press that the GPO has adopted the trends of the Nazis. Distance yourself from them.
Come November I think you will see a big switch by Nevada and Utah to Obama. He says nothing prejudicial against peoples religion.
Romney for VP?
Don't the LDS know that the Republican Party laugh at the Mormons behind closed doors? Better wake up!
The GPO is run by the Southern religious right and they have no place for Mormons.
Do the Democrats constantly bring up Senator Harry Read religion? No.
It was reported by the press that the GPO has adopted the trends of the Nazis. Distance yourself from them.
Come November I think you will see a big switch by Nevada and Utah to Obama. He says nothing prejudicial against peoples religion.
Good point! | 10:43 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
10:19, you raise a good point. Amid all of the hubbub about what great character
John McCain's experiences in the Hanoi Hilton gave him, we hear very little
about his adulterous relationship with Cindy McCain before the two married.
Those who are quick to condemn Billyboy Clinton for his adultery, are rather slow to condemn John McCain for dumping his crippled wife in order to marry a blonde heiress to a beer fortune. Sounds like family values to me.
Also, I hope we get to hear more about how Sarah Palin's husband belonged to the Alaska Independence Party, an anti-American secessionist movement in Alaska. Sounds like patriotism to me.
Those who are quick to condemn Billyboy Clinton for his adultery, are rather slow to condemn John McCain for dumping his crippled wife in order to marry a blonde heiress to a beer fortune. Sounds like family values to me.
Also, I hope we get to hear more about how Sarah Palin's husband belonged to the Alaska Independence Party, an anti-American secessionist movement in Alaska. Sounds like patriotism to me.
Doesn't Cast Stones | 10:46 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If parenting were a Science then we could figure it all out and all of our kids
would turn out just perfect in every way. But, it's not. Everyone makes
mistakes and none of us are responsible for the mistakes of others...even our
children if we did the best we could. It is curious to me that the majority of
the attacks against Palin are actually for the decisions made by those around
her, some of which were made decades ago (please don't judge me today on
what I did when I was younger, but on what I do now). The true sign of character
is not by the trials we face, but in how we face them. Sarah Palin has had two
situations where many Americans would have taken the easy road and opted for
abortion. She has declined both and chosen the more difficult road of personal
responsiblity and accountability. She seems to pass the test very well. Yet, her
detractors want to focus on the trials and not on the way she handles them.
Sounds like they're having to dig pretty deep.
Former Lee Benson Reader | 10:56 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
You've got to be kidding me? Only the G-Rated, good parts? Everything that
you quoted (the 'G-Rated,good' about Sarah Palin) was ABOUT Sarah
Palin. The 'not so good' parts are ABOUT her FAMILY. It just shows
that she is HUMAN and still handles the situation with grace and dignity. You
have been so wrong on so many issues I can't stand to read your column any
longer.
Thomas | 11:03 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
That's all you guys got on her. Her teenager has made some wrong choices
but is now making up for it. That's pretty weak. I think the Republicans
will take that "spin" throw it right back at you.
Sarah Palin has a family with all the joys and heartache those relationships come with.
Yes, Desperate times do call for desparate measures. Obama better start digging.
Sarah Palin has a family with all the joys and heartache those relationships come with.
Yes, Desperate times do call for desparate measures. Obama better start digging.
Oh Please | 11:04 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Republicans insult America with their vice-presidential choices. The criminals
Agnew and Cheney, the brainless Quayle, and now this.
Hear, Hear | 11:04 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Roland Kayser....I think your comment is the best of all listed here.
Let's not apply a double standard on either side.
Quotes out of Context | 11:08 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Two posters on this article and several yesterday said Barack Obama considers
babies mistakes. I am sure you are passing this along from other sources using
the comment out of context. It was not said in supporting abortion. In context
you can see that the mistake he was referring to was a failure in "teaching
children that sex is not causal" and not giving them enough education to
protect themselves from disease.
What a joke | 11:16 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Oh my! A child being born out of wedlock. That hasn't ever happened before.
You can't possibly be a good parent when a child gets pregnant at the age
of 17. (Please note the serious sarcasm here) All this article proves is that
she is human. I can name lots of people who have these same things happen. I am
a Mormon who will be voting democrat but it is because of McCain, not Palin. Get
over yourself Lee. What an awful article! And heaven forbid your child ever gets
pregnant as a teen. Maybe your better than thou opinion might change.
Part 2, Lee is right | 11:19 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
. . . As I was saying, one Christian Republican leader this morning on NPR
attempted to defend the choice of Palin by calling people like me sexists
(I'm female). What name shall we call those who esteem the right of
children to be reared with adequate care, safety, and privacy to be equal to the
right of parents to do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences to
their families? Hear this about George McGovern,'s efforts to find a
running mate: After being turned down by a few more prominent people he wrote,
"I turned to Abe Ribicoff, a senator from Connecticut and another longtime
friend. He said it would be an honor to be the first Jew on the national ticket
of either party, but he was about to marry. 'I just can't cancel a
honeymoon and take on a national campaign,' he told me." Palin would
hardly be the first American to put family matters before career or ethnic,
gender, religious or political causes. It has happened in tens of thousands of
great families by great spouses and parents all over this country, and THAT is
what has made our nation great.
?????? | 11:22 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Who knows her???? Brother Bear, maybe!
Kat | 11:28 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Actually Sarah Palin did smoke pot and fully admits to it. She said it was legal
in AK. when she smoked. I am fine with smoking pot and I think it should be
legal. But, Sarah as a VP is the most insulting thing to all women. It is very
hard to listen to her speak she is so stupid. I just wish we could have a pres
and VP who actually know how to form sentences. I watched McCain's face
when they announced her as VP and you can tell he is so not happy about this
choice, he just had to choose a woman but why not an intelligent woman. Oh, I
forgot Republicans like to thing women are dumb. That is why McCain voted NO on
equal pay for women.
re: quotes out of context | 11:31 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
The quotes are not out of context. He was supporting abortion. Obama said he
would not want his daughters to make a mistake and then be forced to live with
it.
Money-G | 11:32 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If McCain truly knew about all the issues that are surfacing regarding
Palin's past, which I doubt, then why would you select her as a running
mate. Yes, McCain is regarded as a Maverick but this selection even crosses
that line. Obama is not qualifed to run the affairs of the country but she is.
Makes know practical sense to me. Yes I agree with Senator Obama that the
family is off limits. However, it appears that Palin has more pressing issues
to deal with at home than trying to run on a presidential ticket. I don't
think McCain again made the correct decision and will probably be his downfall
to the highest office in the land. But better to find out now than later in the
White House making hasty decisions.
re No to Hypocrisy | 12:01 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Are you kidding me? You were never going to vote conservative so your hypocrisy
is apparent. The Dems are the ones flaming this not the conservatives. She
said her daughter is pregnant and plans to marry her boyfriend and raise their
child. Where did they stray? Only in the eyes of a liberal. As for your Obama
example, it makes not sense because it is pure hypothetical and cannot ever be
proven one way or another.
Definition of a liberal: Someone who stands on their head and tells the world it's upside down.
BTW, LDS guidelines state that the first solution to the pregnancy is for the couple to marry if it is appropriate. I guess you must be referring to the FLDS or maybe the RLDS or maybe your own HypocricyLDS. Get a life and go ahead and vote for the guy who says yes to partial birth abortions. I'm sure you will feel better that you did your part to keep it going. After all we don't need so many mistakes born each year.
Definition of a liberal: Someone who stands on their head and tells the world it's upside down.
BTW, LDS guidelines state that the first solution to the pregnancy is for the couple to marry if it is appropriate. I guess you must be referring to the FLDS or maybe the RLDS or maybe your own HypocricyLDS. Get a life and go ahead and vote for the guy who says yes to partial birth abortions. I'm sure you will feel better that you did your part to keep it going. After all we don't need so many mistakes born each year.
re: Viet Tran | 12:09 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
We did win the Iraq war and the war on Terror in Iraq is nearly won. Feel free
to keep reading the liberal media who would also tell you the world is flat if
it fits their agenda. As for the economy a 3% growth rate is pretty good
considering the mortgage and oil problems going on right now. Your precious
european union only gets at best a 1% growth rate. Socialists like you should
move to countries where your ideas are acceptable. Heck Hugo Chavez would
welcome you with open arms right? I just hope we can get more liberals out of
washington so I could keep more of the money I earned and give it to the
charities I deem worthy. But people like you want to force me to give my money
to the ones you deem worthy (planned parenthood, Air America, etc). Of course
you won't give your money. Let's take it from the rich who by
definition are just the conservatives.
Denial | 12:19 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
"RE David O. McKay | 7:50 a.m. Sept. 3, 2008
He without sin, let him first cast the stone at her."
Oh, so it is a sin? David O. McKay's words are truer than they were in his day. No other success can compensate for failure in the home.
I am not the father of a pregnant 17 year old. I left my job to make sure my children would have someone in their life. Go look at the pics of Bristol with hard liquor and goofing off. Palin needs to take some personal responsibility and stop pretending to be so pious. She had her first child 8 months after eloping. Yes, she too was pregnant before marriage yet forces her morals on others.
He without sin, let him first cast the stone at her."
Oh, so it is a sin? David O. McKay's words are truer than they were in his day. No other success can compensate for failure in the home.
I am not the father of a pregnant 17 year old. I left my job to make sure my children would have someone in their life. Go look at the pics of Bristol with hard liquor and goofing off. Palin needs to take some personal responsibility and stop pretending to be so pious. She had her first child 8 months after eloping. Yes, she too was pregnant before marriage yet forces her morals on others.
kat | 12:22 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
To: Liberals are such looser liars.
Did you watch FOX lately, that is exactly what they said. Funny,,, Let's talk about mega millions of bucks, hmm, the Bush Admin. They made a fortune off of this war for oil. They sacraficed our children for oil. They tell us to support it our we are not patriotic, that is garbage. McCain who doesn't even know how many houses he has, and Sara, good o'l wonderful Sarah, getting 27 million for her pee wee little town on ear marks. Really, what about her little highway to nowhere, the only reason she changed her mind on that was they weren't going to bribe her with enough money. So take a look at this party and tell me what they have done for the people of this country, not the people of their country club, but this country, the poor the sick etc..
Did you watch FOX lately, that is exactly what they said. Funny,,, Let's talk about mega millions of bucks, hmm, the Bush Admin. They made a fortune off of this war for oil. They sacraficed our children for oil. They tell us to support it our we are not patriotic, that is garbage. McCain who doesn't even know how many houses he has, and Sara, good o'l wonderful Sarah, getting 27 million for her pee wee little town on ear marks. Really, what about her little highway to nowhere, the only reason she changed her mind on that was they weren't going to bribe her with enough money. So take a look at this party and tell me what they have done for the people of this country, not the people of their country club, but this country, the poor the sick etc..
Anonymous | 12:23 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
So, we can't pick on candidate's families, is that what the
republican's are saying. then why did McCain, back in June 1998, pick on
Chelsea Clinton when he was speaking at a republican fundraiser:
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.�
The republicans picked on Jimmy Carter's brother or his daughter all those years back, and what about Bill Clinton's brother?
I hate to say it but both sides pick on every little thing about the other candidate,including their families. If someone is going to run for the highest office in the country then they, along with their family, will be scrutinized. Their family can/will influence the candidate (look at Nancy Reagan with Ronnie, or Hillary with Bill). The candidate should have had some serious discussions with their family members about the implications of running and if the family didn't want to be put in the spotlight the candidate shouldn't have run. The pregnancy is fair game!!
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.�
The republicans picked on Jimmy Carter's brother or his daughter all those years back, and what about Bill Clinton's brother?
I hate to say it but both sides pick on every little thing about the other candidate,including their families. If someone is going to run for the highest office in the country then they, along with their family, will be scrutinized. Their family can/will influence the candidate (look at Nancy Reagan with Ronnie, or Hillary with Bill). The candidate should have had some serious discussions with their family members about the implications of running and if the family didn't want to be put in the spotlight the candidate shouldn't have run. The pregnancy is fair game!!
PookyBear | 2:08 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If the Bush Administration fought a "war for oil," then where is all
the freakin' oil???
Media matters | 2:24 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Just remember, the only reason we all know about Jeremiah Wright, Obama's
pastor, is because the media stuck their nose in to Obama's personal life.
Whether it is right or it is wrong, the reality is that the media will stick its
nose in to every politician's personal life. And, the bigger the office,
the bigger the scrutiny. I have lived through Monica Lewinsky, the drunk Bush
daughters, Palin's personal life, and I am sure many more media-frenzies to
come. The media reports--thank goodness.
Mike R. | 2:45 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Teenager gets pregnant. Gee that never happens in Democrat circles. Just goes
to prove that there is nothing to do in Wisalia.
Hubby gets a DUI 20 years ago. My guess is that he paid his debt to society and now it is irrellivant. Had he gotten arrested last week, it would be a big deal, for him.
Fired the Public Safety Director for not firing her former Bro-In-Law. He should have been fired. He was drinking beer in his police car on duty, and did a few other things that were unseemely while on duty. She had the right to fire the director because he serves at her whim anyway.
I think that we could infer that she is human as well as her family. While I don't condone teen pregnancy, she did it and she is preggers. Oh well. If she is old enough to tango, she is old enough to pay the price. Adoption? Yes.
Hubby gets a DUI 20 years ago. My guess is that he paid his debt to society and now it is irrellivant. Had he gotten arrested last week, it would be a big deal, for him.
Fired the Public Safety Director for not firing her former Bro-In-Law. He should have been fired. He was drinking beer in his police car on duty, and did a few other things that were unseemely while on duty. She had the right to fire the director because he serves at her whim anyway.
I think that we could infer that she is human as well as her family. While I don't condone teen pregnancy, she did it and she is preggers. Oh well. If she is old enough to tango, she is old enough to pay the price. Adoption? Yes.
Anonymous | 2:52 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
Im curious, Palin states the father of her daughter's child will marry her
daughter. The kid is only 17 or 18 himself and you're going to tell him
who he is going to spend the rest of his life with. I'm not sure that will
fly with his parents. I think Lee has every right to write about a candidates
life history because the candidate is running for public office and wants the
public to trust them to make the right decision affecting the country. How
you've lived your lifes has some merit on what you believe and how you will
make decisions. Lee is just reporting the facts or what he believes to the
facts at this point in time.
Let's take a poll? | 3:07 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
All those who are running for office, that did not have pre-marital sex, please
let us know. Also, if your parents didn't have pre-marital sex, please let
us know. I graduated from high school in 1972, I went to a school of 3000, I
knew of one girl getting pregnant. Now, girls are having sex at age 12, but
they can abort the babies or have our taxes take care of them. I can't
believe that a young woman, who got pregnant and is going to marry the father is
more sinful for letting the baby live. What is wrong with our society, we know
that Obama would have his child abort the baby. The far left has made having
babies a sin, what is wrong with them???
Clint A. | 4:35 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
"The far left has made having babies a sin, what is wrong with
them"
The question is, what wrong with you?
To make such a statement is child like, and so uninformed I would know where to begin to tear that junk apart, its so silly.
If you can't use have a logical arguement, please dont make up such crap.
Most democrates I know do not like abortion, unless it is in the case of rape or insest.
People who do not think like you are not evil. Try to see the good in people, and please look in the old mirror sometimes.
The question is, what wrong with you?
To make such a statement is child like, and so uninformed I would know where to begin to tear that junk apart, its so silly.
If you can't use have a logical arguement, please dont make up such crap.
Most democrates I know do not like abortion, unless it is in the case of rape or insest.
People who do not think like you are not evil. Try to see the good in people, and please look in the old mirror sometimes.
Bob Pomeroy | 6:00 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
I find it incredulous that "liberals, leftists and democrats are being held
out as responsible for all this controversy I guess it's born of the idea
that he who is not with us is against us, and that thereby plenty of republicans
and etc are being tarred. The controversy itself has become the news, almost as
if orchestrated. Nobody needs to fan the flames, our cultural values are doing
all that work. A nation of gossip mongers is at play. It does seem a bit
disconsonate with the ideal she proclaims, so there's a handle on it
somewhere, but nobody's perfect.
Somehow we ought to try seeing some of these lables as variant spellings of the proverbial N word, and just never use them anymore. Soon enough, new designer words will appear to take their places, but maybe by then we'll learn that all this phony short sighted labeling is really the problem.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lables are for the purpose of dividing. Cooperation and accommodation are essential to a democracy. Dividers mean for us to fail.
God Bless Grandmas and their tireless efforts toward conciliation.
Best of luck to the kids and their lives.
Amen
Somehow we ought to try seeing some of these lables as variant spellings of the proverbial N word, and just never use them anymore. Soon enough, new designer words will appear to take their places, but maybe by then we'll learn that all this phony short sighted labeling is really the problem.
United we stand, divided we fall. Lables are for the purpose of dividing. Cooperation and accommodation are essential to a democracy. Dividers mean for us to fail.
God Bless Grandmas and their tireless efforts toward conciliation.
Best of luck to the kids and their lives.
Amen
Ridgerunner | 6:08 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
I wonder how many of those protestors outside the Rebulican convention could
pass a drug test, or have a job and pay any taxes? I am not saying all Democrats
are that way, but why didn't we see those kind of people protesting at the
Democratic convention? Telling questions indeed about what kinds of people
support what party?
Her daughter's pregnancy ... | 6:09 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
is not what is bad. It is the fact that she chose her political glory over her
family. She had to have understood before hand what she was going to do to her
daughter by running for VP. Another Jaime Lee Spears.
Family values? She didn't abort her son, but it doesn't she is willing to spend very much time with him either...I think that she could have served her country without sacrificing her family if she would have waited a couple of years. She probably is a great person, but when you preach that family is the fabric of our country and say no to same-sex marriages and no to abortions for this reason, please don't say no to taking care of the ones that are already alive.
Family values? She didn't abort her son, but it doesn't she is willing to spend very much time with him either...I think that she could have served her country without sacrificing her family if she would have waited a couple of years. She probably is a great person, but when you preach that family is the fabric of our country and say no to same-sex marriages and no to abortions for this reason, please don't say no to taking care of the ones that are already alive.
Steven Wilson | 6:14 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
The trooper controversy is a joke. The State Trooper shot her nephew with a
Taser Gun. The kid was eleven years old. No kidding, Sarah Palin wanted him
fired? He could have killed her nephew. This was just one of many instances that
the Trooper had made very bad judgement calls.
Walt Monegan wouldn't terminate him from his position. Walt Monegan was let go. These Troopers are hired to protect and serve....not to shoot eleven year olds with Taser Guns for fun at family picnics.
Walt Monegan was hired to do his duty and discipline officers who were a threat to society lacking sound judgement. Walt failed to do his job. He tried to sweep the incident under the rug.
Sarah Palin did her job...she found a replacement that would enforce discipline on the State Troopers.
Walt Monegan wouldn't terminate him from his position. Walt Monegan was let go. These Troopers are hired to protect and serve....not to shoot eleven year olds with Taser Guns for fun at family picnics.
Walt Monegan was hired to do his duty and discipline officers who were a threat to society lacking sound judgement. Walt failed to do his job. He tried to sweep the incident under the rug.
Sarah Palin did her job...she found a replacement that would enforce discipline on the State Troopers.
What am I Missing? | 6:22 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
This has been covered ad nauseum, but what is there about having a teenage child
make a mistake and going back to work after giving birth to a child that even
remotely suggests that she has been uncovered as some kind of fraud? Au
contraire. I think it shows that she is a normal person who is able to deal with
the unexpected setbacks we all experience.
I, like many of the posters, am trying to figure out why this is even news. It sounds like a desperate attempt to discredit her for something that seems to demonstrate her ability to be a mom and a public servant at the same time and is not a negative unless you want it to be, and it is apparent that many DO want it to be.
If you must, find something legitimate to criticize her for, but for being a hard worker and a mother of a children who make mistakes? The horror. She must be the only person who has children who make mistakes. Shame on her.
Keep moving. Nothing to see here.
I, like many of the posters, am trying to figure out why this is even news. It sounds like a desperate attempt to discredit her for something that seems to demonstrate her ability to be a mom and a public servant at the same time and is not a negative unless you want it to be, and it is apparent that many DO want it to be.
If you must, find something legitimate to criticize her for, but for being a hard worker and a mother of a children who make mistakes? The horror. She must be the only person who has children who make mistakes. Shame on her.
Keep moving. Nothing to see here.
Anonymous | 8:21 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
If Palin can't control her 16 year old daugther. Then how can she control
the country?
Anonymous | 8:42 p.m. Sept. 3, 2008
I understand that Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to
quietly have her daughter Bristol get married before news of her pregnancy
leaked out. Palin had planned for the wedding to take place right after the
Republican National Convention and then she was going to announce the pregnancy.
But her daughter refused to go along with the plan and that sparked a
mother-daughter showdown over the failed cover-up.
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