Kilbarry: CPS has used the immunity for prosecution loophole before.
THe US 5th circuit closed the immunity from prosecution protection last month.
The personal liability issue hopefully will prevent future blanket removals. Between the Texas Supreme court and the US 5th Circuit the CPS will be
held accountable for future "mistakes".
Maybe the letter is a fake.Maybe someone has her locked in a closet and they beat her and rape her daily.They made her write the
letter as a cover up.After all these foster homes are very likely to abuse
the children as shown by history.Wait, that's the argument that CPS
had to take the children in the first place.Never mind that they all don't
practice abuse of the children.There is a great chance of the children
being abused just because they are in a foster home, so all the children
should be taken from CPS. Such a pervasive abuse system.If it
saves just one child it will be worth it.
Joel said: "Ok, Crimmins, now get ready for 253 suits in reverse, including 26
claims for false imprisonment."The 26 adults falsely imprisoned as
children may be the only ones who can sue. I think that "Child Protectors"
usually have immunity against lawsuits for falsely seizing children - unless
they behaved with criminal intent i.e. if they KNEW that the children were NOT
being abused but seized them anyway. This is supposed to be to protect the
rights of children - so that the "Child Protectors" will not be afraid to take
action in future.Thus stupidity, gross incompetence and even
prejudice may not be sufficient grounds for a lawsuit against the CPS.
RE, R: The refe4ence to the murder by an flds boy was true. Yhe boy,
young man, was drugged up and killed his girlfriend. I guess the
lack of education reference has to do with the general smear campaign.......you
see everyone thinks that the state should educate children. An educated child is
state speak for a socialized child. Any child not socialized is brainwashed.
//except for that FLDS kid that recently murdered his girlfriend and stood over
her chanting some strange FLDS prayer//What the heck are you
referring to?And second, there is no need to teach FLDS kids proper
writing and spelling. All they need to know is the difference between a 5" nail
and a 2" nail, and how to tell when their water breaks.What in the
world? Virtually all of them are literate. They do instruct their children. I
don't know where you got this impression from.
you're kidding, right? are you actually comparing FLDS kids versus children
that murder their parents? yes - you're right - most regular kids kill someone
but FLDS kids don't... (except for that FLDS kid that recently murdered his
girlfriend and stood over her chanting some strange FLDS prayer....)and I'm still laughing about your suggestion that FLDS parents teach writing
and spelling, and parenting classes.First of all, having FLDS teach
parenting classes would be like KKK members teaching diversity classes. Unless
pimping 12 yr olds is a class agenda.And second, there is no need to
teach FLDS kids proper writing and spelling. All they need to know is the
difference between a 5" nail and a 2" nail, and how to tell when their water
breaks. Everything else is handled by lawyers or a couple of old men in
charge.And finally - very few parents would want "to have such love
expressed by their child(ren) towards them" if it meant breaking all free will
out of the child. We try to raise leaders out here, not sheepish followers.
That's why it's best if your children of the corn simply stay in their
Thank God for His mercies. May Merrianne soon be returned to her
loving home.For those that think this letter is 'fake' or a 'ruse' -
how sad that you don't even recognize sincere love or intelligence when it is
poured out from the hurting heart of a young lady.It's hilarious
that you think that the letter is a fraud because the handwriting is legible
(and beautiful) and there aren't misspellings. The FLDS must hold
to the old school of practicing legible handwriting and spelling bees, and not
teachers who accept poor writing, spelling, and grammar as acceptable just to
get a disruptive child out of their classroom.Maybe some of the FLDS
should teach children writing and spelling while others teach parenting
classes.I doubt there is a parent alive that wouldn't love to have
such love expressed by their child(ren) toward them. THEIR kids
know and express love. OUR children express disdain, disrespect, and dishonor
toward their parents - don't believe me? Pick up a newspaper and read about OUR
children killing parents, grandparents, siblings, and friends...Yup.
We've done a great job of teaching our children to love.
What is not normal about the letter is that there is no anger at her Mother
being responsible for getting her in this situation. What was she going to do
if Jeffs hadn't been incarcerated and had to live with him? She surely doesn't
sound at all like a married woman. How could her Mother have married her off
with the coping skills she seems to lack.
It's about time. What took them so long to relize that there is no abuse?
The letter sounds completely fake to me. It's probably a ruse.
Joey....Here is a bit of statistical trivia for ya....... The
greatest degree of certainty to which statistics can be used to predict human
behavior is 51%. The reality of the situation is that the smartist
shrink or psycologist using modern statistical methods to predict human behavior
is 1% better than the toss of a coin. Guess that's why we have such a
terrible record of predicting repeat offender rates.
I guess it's possible the letter was faked, but I doubt it. Who's to know,
really?I guess there's two ways to look at the desuiting/unsuiting
or whatever it's called. One is that the CPS intervention has done its job--the
proper oversight has been established and the children were removed from a risky
situation, and can now go back to their families.The other--which is
what I believe--is that this is the inevitable outcome of a vast, miscalculated
overreaching on the part of the Texas CPS. Why else would nearly all of the
children be returned to the same parents who supposedly were putting them in
such grave danger? There wasn't much of any danger in the first place.
Darn...I spoke too late. The girl is being criticized for loving her
family and having neat handwriting. OK.....leys try this. If the girl
writes that she hates her mother and messes up her cursive a bit can she go
home? Lets' all start figureing out just what the correct degree of
hate and unresolved mother daughter "issues" are so we can help the girl "act
normal" and go home.
Though what Texas did was wrong, I am amazed at how often wrong actions can be
blessings in desguise.If the FLDS take this as an opportuinity to
change their practice of forcing young girls to marry older men and also to
change their other reprehensible practice of kicking their young teen boys out
of the house and community, all of this will have been for the good.I call upon society at large, the states of Texas, Utah and Arizona and
others, to help the FLDS put a stop to the practice of kicking their young boys
out if they won't stop themselves.
I read the letter. The letter shows the love of a girl for her
family. I was waiting for the thing to be torn apart sentence by
sentence and twisted into some proof of abuse. But hey......there is plenty of
time for the state psycologists to find something twisted and perverse with a
hidden meaning behind every word. How about a few of the spelling and
gramatics gurus giving it a once over. Let me give all the letter
skeptics a start. The video was bashed and portrayed as a good acting
job......could the letter be a continuance of the same alleged charade?
It does not sound like the average letter from a teenage daughter to her mother.
My gosh it would be nice if teenagers did show that much love for their parents
these days. And that handwriting is not the typical teenagers handwriting
either. Too neat. They must be doing something right in that group or else
someone else wrote it. Seems like there is a lot of overkill going on
concerning this group.
Has anyone read the letter in its entirety? From my point of view, it is a very
strange letter for a 14 year old girl to write to her mother. Not to say that
the strangeness means that it was appropriate for her to be removed from her
family or not, but it is just a very odd letter in my opinion.
Gal50's totally OK with the clairvoyant pronouncements of the CPS. If CPS thinks
your kid is in danger two years from now, then it's totally cool for CPS to
snatch that kid and put her in foster care where there's a 50% chance she'll be
sexually abused anyway. I guess to justify the 50% chance of being sexually
abused, CPS has some pretty good mathematical formulas for calculating a greater
than 50% chance that the girl will be abused if remaining in the FLDS, either
that or they have a good crystal ball, or really good eyeballs.Which
incidentally is one of the chief qualifications a CPS worker can have: the
ability to tell the age difference between a 38 year old and a 16 year old.
Because we know they can't tell a 37 year old from one.
The Justice system is brokenThe Judges do not measure up to the Utah State
Constitution, They do not follow the law by knowing the lawThe Courts are
Well I guess "26 disputed minors" is CPS speak for grown women.
Kind of like protecting a girl from a man in prison and the girls absent
father. How much more CPS double speak will we have to listen to before
someone investigates the agency for misuse of power? Did anyone call
the law about the illegal chicken coop at Barbaras house yet? We don't want
Barberas remaining kids attacked by "wild fowl". Come on CPS.....save
the kids from the chickens.
This is positive news. It doesn't guarantee these 253 children will remain safe.
It only admits that these children are not currently at risk. There is little
likelihood that children under 12 are going to be married or kicked out at the
present moment. Two years down the road could be a different story unless Willie
Jessop is an honest person when he promises no underage marriages. Warren Jeffs
is in jail and that might put a damper on underage marriages, but it seems
Merrill Jessop was highly involved in these marriages and he is still free,
although no longer showing his face.We all hope that girls have a
better future than the 3rd wife of some aged man and that family members remain
available to the boys who exhibit normal teen behavior.
The "26 non-suited minors" is CPS-speak for women a few days from their 37th
birthdays, as highlighted here in an article by Deseret News. Another radical feminist disaster. Who even takes them seriously
this is great news
The girl's letter sounds so unlike a abused child that you have to wonder if CPS
is only putting her in custody to punish her parents. And by CPS's track record,
it's hard to believe otherwise. CPS has now non-suited more than half the YFZ
children, children who were once in such imminent danger that they were placed
in a concentration camp. But oops, they were never in danger, were they? Except
Ok, Crimmins, now get ready for 253 suits in reverse, including 26 claims for