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Great Story | 4:09 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"Ours" is a great story, Michelle.
Too bad your not one of the "ours".
Not more than a month ago you were saying you were "finally proud to be an American".
You, Ma'am, are a PHONY!
Too bad your not one of the "ours".
Not more than a month ago you were saying you were "finally proud to be an American".
You, Ma'am, are a PHONY!
Anonymous | 4:10 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Michelle Obama -
Finally.
A class act in politics.
Could REAL America be coming back?
This woman is awesome!
Finally.
A class act in politics.
Could REAL America be coming back?
This woman is awesome!
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Just Say "NO"! | 4:10 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Just say "no" to Michelle Obama.
We don't need her. No, really....
We don't need her. No, really....
Jimmy Carter's Short Memory | 4:26 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Let me get this straight:
Jimmy Carter is mad because Pres. Bush has "ignored" New Orleans flood victims?
Hmmmm.....does he not remember that as President HE essentially ignored the plight of 52 U.S. citizens who were taken hostage in Iran from November 1979 to January 1981? Man, you want to talk about sitting on your thumb for 444 days, that would be a good example!
Anybody blind enough to try and dispute that?
If America was EVER broadcast as an impotent nation to the rest of the world, that would be it.
What's REALLY ridiculous is that saving people from natural disasters IS NOWHERE IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF AMERICA'S PRESIDENT!!!
Get ticked off all you want at Bush's inaction (he's already done a whole heck of a lot more than I would have done) but rebuilding your home after a flood is NOT his job!
Jimmy Carter is mad because Pres. Bush has "ignored" New Orleans flood victims?
Hmmmm.....does he not remember that as President HE essentially ignored the plight of 52 U.S. citizens who were taken hostage in Iran from November 1979 to January 1981? Man, you want to talk about sitting on your thumb for 444 days, that would be a good example!
Anybody blind enough to try and dispute that?
If America was EVER broadcast as an impotent nation to the rest of the world, that would be it.
What's REALLY ridiculous is that saving people from natural disasters IS NOWHERE IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF AMERICA'S PRESIDENT!!!
Get ticked off all you want at Bush's inaction (he's already done a whole heck of a lot more than I would have done) but rebuilding your home after a flood is NOT his job!
to wrz | 4:35 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
I'm healthy too and I eat right but guess what sometimes that isn't
enough. My best friend ate healthy, exercised regularly and still was diagnosed
with cancer a few months ago. Everyone deserves adequate health care coverage
because you never now when something horrible will happen.
Calling It Like It Is | 4:59 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"Say something stupid | 8:17 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Should the election really be about saying something stupid, and then giving a speech to cover up what you said earlier. What about the issues? When will anyone ever talk about the issues? I could, with the help of a good speech writer, give a great idealistic speech. That doesn't mean I am a good person or does it mean I should win the election."
Man!, you are speaking the truth!
As they say, beauty, or in this case, truth, is more than skin deep.
Should the election really be about saying something stupid, and then giving a speech to cover up what you said earlier. What about the issues? When will anyone ever talk about the issues? I could, with the help of a good speech writer, give a great idealistic speech. That doesn't mean I am a good person or does it mean I should win the election."
Man!, you are speaking the truth!
As they say, beauty, or in this case, truth, is more than skin deep.
Easy there, Trigger... | 5:09 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Rich, 8:44: "You conservatives really don't have any real values. When
Clinton cheated on his wife you wanted his head, when McCain does, you look the
other way."
Back off, pal! I was pretty pleased when I heard that McCain was going to run since he's a former U.S. navy fighter pilot and American POW. But then I found out that he'd left his first wife after she'd suffered a serious car accident, even though she had faithfully waited for him during his POW ordeal. The second I confirmed it was true I dumped my support of him. After listening to Romney's "Faith In America" speech last December I became convinced Romney was THE guy.
Many of the GOP don't love McCain. He's simply the last GOP candidate standing. I'd take a good man who acknowledges he made a serious mistake (and McCain has for years acknowledged his first marriage failing was indeed a mistake he contributed to) any day over a man who's so lost he doesn't even know who he is, what he stands for or what is plan is to make America better.
Back off, pal! I was pretty pleased when I heard that McCain was going to run since he's a former U.S. navy fighter pilot and American POW. But then I found out that he'd left his first wife after she'd suffered a serious car accident, even though she had faithfully waited for him during his POW ordeal. The second I confirmed it was true I dumped my support of him. After listening to Romney's "Faith In America" speech last December I became convinced Romney was THE guy.
Many of the GOP don't love McCain. He's simply the last GOP candidate standing. I'd take a good man who acknowledges he made a serious mistake (and McCain has for years acknowledged his first marriage failing was indeed a mistake he contributed to) any day over a man who's so lost he doesn't even know who he is, what he stands for or what is plan is to make America better.
Anonymous | 5:19 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"George | 10:38 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008
If Michelle Obama is so excited about someone like her family being able to work themselves out of the slums of Chicago, why are they so excited to "CHANGE" America."
Now TAHT'S a danged good question, George.
How about it, Dems? Why WOULD they want to change it?
Buehller? Buehller?....
If Michelle Obama is so excited about someone like her family being able to work themselves out of the slums of Chicago, why are they so excited to "CHANGE" America."
Now TAHT'S a danged good question, George.
How about it, Dems? Why WOULD they want to change it?
Buehller? Buehller?....
Anonymous | 5:22 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Wow, lots of rabid Dems on here.
If Obama wins, America will change all right, but it won't be for the better....
Romney 2012!
If Obama wins, America will change all right, but it won't be for the better....
Romney 2012!
All about race? | 5:32 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"Michelle Obama made it clear last night what this is going to come down
to. This is going to come down to race." - Rush Limbaugh (from his show
today).
From some of the nasty postings above, it is painfully clear where these racist neocons get their
nastiness.
The KKK is alive and well in Utah.
From some of the nasty postings above, it is painfully clear where these racist neocons get their
nastiness.
The KKK is alive and well in Utah.
Anonymous | 5:56 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Nice try wrz, but the usual neocon: "if you're not behind the
Cheney/Bush administration - you're an enemy to America" BS has been
exposed months and months ago.
Where have YOU been?
Where have YOU been?
Honesty | 5:56 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
RE: universal Health care:
IF look at the criterai for health care you realize the ranking meaningless., it all based wether medicen is socializewd.
RE: US Math 10001:
Bad math bad bad math, Math is based on logic not emotion. If anything is just shows your liberal bias, certainly you lack any objectivity. Talk about being a sueep or drinking the koolaid. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself.
IF look at the criterai for health care you realize the ranking meaningless., it all based wether medicen is socializewd.
RE: US Math 10001:
Bad math bad bad math, Math is based on logic not emotion. If anything is just shows your liberal bias, certainly you lack any objectivity. Talk about being a sueep or drinking the koolaid. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself.
Re: wrz | 6:35 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
wrz wrote: "B. Hussein Osama has the right solution. Sit down and have a
nice meeting. Neville Chamberlain found it very useful."
So did Ronald Reagan.
""The war in Iraq has done nothing to stop terrorism"
"Really? When was the latest terror attack on the US?"
So if we start a war and terrorists don't strike our country, there must be a causal relationship? We were never under threat by Iraqi terrorists. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we spurred on a terrorist organization there. We have wasted well over $500 billion on this stupid war (an amount we've had to borrow from foreign nations), driven gas prices sky-high and sent our economy into a recession, sacrificed thousands of soldiers' lives, seen our civil liberties erode in the name of national security, and convinced millions of people worldwide that our country truly is the evil empire. When we bring these kinds of consequences on ourselves, who needs terrorists?
So did Ronald Reagan.
""The war in Iraq has done nothing to stop terrorism"
"Really? When was the latest terror attack on the US?"
So if we start a war and terrorists don't strike our country, there must be a causal relationship? We were never under threat by Iraqi terrorists. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we spurred on a terrorist organization there. We have wasted well over $500 billion on this stupid war (an amount we've had to borrow from foreign nations), driven gas prices sky-high and sent our economy into a recession, sacrificed thousands of soldiers' lives, seen our civil liberties erode in the name of national security, and convinced millions of people worldwide that our country truly is the evil empire. When we bring these kinds of consequences on ourselves, who needs terrorists?
Universal Health Care | 7:38 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"IF look at the criterai for health care you realize the ranking
meaningless., it all based wether medicen is socializewd."
Not at all. One of the things the study wanted to find out was how well each country's health care system provided care to individuals at all income levels. Republicans keep telling us that we can achieve this without universal health care, so this is a valid object of study. However, the study's findings echo what we know from experience: the US system does not provide low income citizens the care they need.
The study also found that health care in the US is significantly more expensive than health care in these other countries. Again, we are not just talking about direct costs to consumers, but total cost to consumers, insurance companies, employers, and the government. Our every-man-for-himself system is terribly inefficient.
The US did very well in some aspects of the study; particularly, our country does very well when it comes to providing preventive care. But the shortcomings identified in the study are real and hurt Americans on a daily basis.
Not at all. One of the things the study wanted to find out was how well each country's health care system provided care to individuals at all income levels. Republicans keep telling us that we can achieve this without universal health care, so this is a valid object of study. However, the study's findings echo what we know from experience: the US system does not provide low income citizens the care they need.
The study also found that health care in the US is significantly more expensive than health care in these other countries. Again, we are not just talking about direct costs to consumers, but total cost to consumers, insurance companies, employers, and the government. Our every-man-for-himself system is terribly inefficient.
The US did very well in some aspects of the study; particularly, our country does very well when it comes to providing preventive care. But the shortcomings identified in the study are real and hurt Americans on a daily basis.
RE: univeral health care | 8:11 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
Sure it's cheaper at the door for an individual,
but add in the cost of taxes and what government pays,
And it is a different story.
Still no one in the US is denied care, it's against the law.
And againg you must really look at the criteria, it ia all based whether a country has socialized medicine,
nothing you have said contradicts that.
but add in the cost of taxes and what government pays,
And it is a different story.
Still no one in the US is denied care, it's against the law.
And againg you must really look at the criteria, it ia all based whether a country has socialized medicine,
nothing you have said contradicts that.
Universal Health Care | 9:06 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"Sure it's cheaper at the door for an individual, but add in the cost
of taxes and what government pays, and it is a different story."
No, those were factored into the study. The total cost of health care to consumers, insurance companies, employers, and the government, costs more per capita in the United States than in any other country in the study (and in fact, than any other country in the world).
"no one in the US is denied care"
No delinquent bill payer is denied referral to collections, either.
"And againg you must really look at the criteria, it ia all based whether a country has socialized medicine, nothing you have said contradicts that."
It's not my claim, it's yours, as is the burden of proof. As I read them, the criteria are pretty good measures of how well a health care system is working. Which ones do you not care about when you evaluate your own health care? What other criteria would you add?
No, those were factored into the study. The total cost of health care to consumers, insurance companies, employers, and the government, costs more per capita in the United States than in any other country in the study (and in fact, than any other country in the world).
"no one in the US is denied care"
No delinquent bill payer is denied referral to collections, either.
"And againg you must really look at the criteria, it ia all based whether a country has socialized medicine, nothing you have said contradicts that."
It's not my claim, it's yours, as is the burden of proof. As I read them, the criteria are pretty good measures of how well a health care system is working. Which ones do you not care about when you evaluate your own health care? What other criteria would you add?
wrz | 9:42 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
to wrz | 4:35 p.m.:
"I'm healthy too and I eat right but guess what sometimes that isn't enough. My best friend ate healthy, exercised regularly and still was diagnosed with cancer a few months ago. Everyone deserves adequate health care coverage because you never now when something horrible will happen."
Sorry about your friend.
My point is, simply, if the government supplies the health insurance the government can/will dictate no smoking, no drinking, no unhealthy fast foods, etc., if I know anything about how governments work.
"I'm healthy too and I eat right but guess what sometimes that isn't enough. My best friend ate healthy, exercised regularly and still was diagnosed with cancer a few months ago. Everyone deserves adequate health care coverage because you never now when something horrible will happen."
Sorry about your friend.
My point is, simply, if the government supplies the health insurance the government can/will dictate no smoking, no drinking, no unhealthy fast foods, etc., if I know anything about how governments work.
wrz | 10:03 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
"So if we start a war and terrorists don't strike our country, there
must be a causal relationship?"
Seems to be working.
"We were never under threat by Iraqi terrorists."
Are you saying there are terrorists in Iraq?
"The war in Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we spurred on a terrorist organization there."
The war in Iraq was authorized by the US Congress. You can read the reasons for the authorization in Congress's Resolution to use Military Force in Iraq.
"We have wasted well over $500 billion on this stupid war..."
The war is in the last phases. And successfully so.
"...(an amount we've had to borrow from foreign nations)..."
If you'd like to be a part of the solution to that problem, please donate more taxes to the government.
"...driven gas prices sky-high, and sent our economy into a recession..."
Gas prices took off when the Democrats took over the Congress. And the economy took a dive.
Seems to be working.
"We were never under threat by Iraqi terrorists."
Are you saying there are terrorists in Iraq?
"The war in Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we spurred on a terrorist organization there."
The war in Iraq was authorized by the US Congress. You can read the reasons for the authorization in Congress's Resolution to use Military Force in Iraq.
"We have wasted well over $500 billion on this stupid war..."
The war is in the last phases. And successfully so.
"...(an amount we've had to borrow from foreign nations)..."
If you'd like to be a part of the solution to that problem, please donate more taxes to the government.
"...driven gas prices sky-high, and sent our economy into a recession..."
Gas prices took off when the Democrats took over the Congress. And the economy took a dive.
to wrz | 12:15 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Yawn ...
Re: wrz | 12:36 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
"Seems to be working."
I drink water on a daily basis and have never contracted with hepatitis, herpes, or HIV. Seems to be working...
Sorry, absence of terrorist attacks is not evidence that the war in Iraq is protecting America. In all of history leading up to the current war in Iraq, there have been only two significant terror attacks by Iraqis against the United States: bomb-planting at the home of the US Ambassador to Indonesia and the USIS library in Manila, and an attempted assassination of the first Pres. Bush. Both attacks were in retaliation for the Gulf War, and neither attack happened on American soil. Before the Gulf War, Iraq left us alone. After the Gulf War, they attacked twice, then they left us alone. If anything, the evidence suggests that war increases the risk being targeted by terrorists.
I drink water on a daily basis and have never contracted with hepatitis, herpes, or HIV. Seems to be working...
Sorry, absence of terrorist attacks is not evidence that the war in Iraq is protecting America. In all of history leading up to the current war in Iraq, there have been only two significant terror attacks by Iraqis against the United States: bomb-planting at the home of the US Ambassador to Indonesia and the USIS library in Manila, and an attempted assassination of the first Pres. Bush. Both attacks were in retaliation for the Gulf War, and neither attack happened on American soil. Before the Gulf War, Iraq left us alone. After the Gulf War, they attacked twice, then they left us alone. If anything, the evidence suggests that war increases the risk being targeted by terrorists.
who cares? | 6:57 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
With all the racism still present in America, I would never have dreamed a black
man would be a front-runner for the presidency.
Michelle Obama will be one of the classiest and intelligent of our First Lady's.
And who really gives a flyin' [bleep] how they view her in rednecked, racist Utah?
Michelle Obama will be one of the classiest and intelligent of our First Lady's.
And who really gives a flyin' [bleep] how they view her in rednecked, racist Utah?
metamoracoug | 7:08 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
universal healthcare: The study also likely compared the US to several European
or Asian countries where people actually walk, ride bikes, and eat better rather
than hop in their cars to drive two blocks to work, school, or church and eat
cheetos and Big Macs like we do in the US. Hardly a fair comparison if the base
level of individuals at all economic levels are starting healthier due to
lifestyle.
In regard to your comment about non-bill payors referred to collections, I'm certain you do not understand this process. In our medical practice office, 50% of those who owe co-payments never pay even after being sent to collections. Most owe $100-$200. It is not financial viable to take these folks to court for such a small amount. Therefore, after a year or so, we simply write it off.
Universal healthcare is not the answer in the US. Until individuals are willing to take responsibility for their own health, I am unwilling to pay for their health care
In regard to your comment about non-bill payors referred to collections, I'm certain you do not understand this process. In our medical practice office, 50% of those who owe co-payments never pay even after being sent to collections. Most owe $100-$200. It is not financial viable to take these folks to court for such a small amount. Therefore, after a year or so, we simply write it off.
Universal healthcare is not the answer in the US. Until individuals are willing to take responsibility for their own health, I am unwilling to pay for their health care
Universal Health Care | 10:17 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Metamoracoug--you might be able to argue that one dimension of health care
examined by the study, promotion of healthy lives, might be biased in favor of
cultures with healthier practices. However, the other four dimensions examined,
quality, access, efficiency, and equity, have nothing to do with healthy
cultural practices. The full text of the study is available on the internet.
It's called "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: An International Update on
the Comparative Performance of American Health Care". The study's
findings cannot be simply written off as biased in favor of a particular
viewpoint; they indicate real problems with our healthcare system.
You say that some people get away with not paying their medical bills. However, you do send them to collections first, which means they get harrassed for a year or so, and their credit rating takes a hit for several years. So they are still punished for seeking medical care they can't afford.
You say that some people get away with not paying their medical bills. However, you do send them to collections first, which means they get harrassed for a year or so, and their credit rating takes a hit for several years. So they are still punished for seeking medical care they can't afford.
Universal Health Care | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Metamoracoug: one last point in response to your posting. You say you are
unwilling to pay for health care for uninsured individuals. But if doctors are
passing on their health care costs to insured health care consumers, then in
fact you are already paying part of the tab for their health care, no? Guess
who pays the rest of it (and disproportionally so)? Uninsured folks who DO pay.
In fact, the uninsured pay significantly higher premiums than insured
individuals because there is no one to negotiate "reasonable and
customary" charges on their behalf.
Re: Isn't she lovely | 11:26 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008
No kidding. And you believed all of that stuff that some democratic speechwriter
and some dmeocratic public affairs person HAD her do and say?
I submit, that at this point the REAL Obama's are not going to be allowed to come out and speak...It's all going to be controlled by the democratic party because THEY DON'T WANT TO BE EMBARRASSED because they picked such a poor candidate!
Of course the Republicans will do the same for McCain...but then McCain hasn't stated "I hate this country" and McCain didn't attend a church where racism was preached over the pulpit for TWENTY years... in fact, most of what McCain has done isn't embarrassing.
I think that our country is so bent on electing a "Black" candidate just so we can prove we are beyond racisim...that we are willing to elect a racist, inexperienced, anti-patriot to be president. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.
I submit, that at this point the REAL Obama's are not going to be allowed to come out and speak...It's all going to be controlled by the democratic party because THEY DON'T WANT TO BE EMBARRASSED because they picked such a poor candidate!
Of course the Republicans will do the same for McCain...but then McCain hasn't stated "I hate this country" and McCain didn't attend a church where racism was preached over the pulpit for TWENTY years... in fact, most of what McCain has done isn't embarrassing.
I think that our country is so bent on electing a "Black" candidate just so we can prove we are beyond racisim...that we are willing to elect a racist, inexperienced, anti-patriot to be president. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.
stupid Limbaughites again | 1:12 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
I don't see (nor did I ever hear) Michelle Obama say, "I hate this
country" as the stupid Limbaughites would have you believe.
"I hate the racism in this country" is probably more like it.
"I hate the racism in this country" is probably more like it.
Re: re: Isn't she lovely | 1:50 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Be careful about throwing around allegations you can't support. Neither
Obama nor his wife has ever said "I hate this country." It's
debatable whether what was preached over the pulpit at Obama's former
church constitutes racism; if you are a white person, you probably have no idea
what it's like to be black in a country where economic, eductional, and
political power are all disproportionately held by whites.
Also, be careful about assigning guilt by association with a particular pastor or religious organization. All religions have doctrines or past or present leaders that opponents can paint in an ugly light. Mormonism, like every other religion, is not exempt from vilification. Do unto others...
Also, be careful about assigning guilt by association with a particular pastor or religious organization. All religions have doctrines or past or present leaders that opponents can paint in an ugly light. Mormonism, like every other religion, is not exempt from vilification. Do unto others...
metamoracoug | 1:52 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
universal healthcare:
First, let me clarify, because I did not say I was unwilling to pay for UNINSURED individuals. I said until people are willing to take responsibility for their own health, I am unwilling to pay for their healthcare. Yes, I agree that in part I am already picking up the tab, but I don't believe it is as costly as it would be if the government administered health care. Furthermore, as Americans we are already burdened by more regulations than we can possibly be familiar with. If governement socializes medicine, it then has a right to legislate good health. I lose freedom.
You may not remember but in my first post, I noted that I am not insured. While I don't have an insurance company to negotiate for me, I can still negotiate, frequenting doctors, clinics, and hospitals that are willing to negotiate with me. For example, one of my sons needed minor surgery. I contacted the hospital, which willingly gave me a 20% discount because I paid up front.
Thank you for posting the study. I will review it.
First, let me clarify, because I did not say I was unwilling to pay for UNINSURED individuals. I said until people are willing to take responsibility for their own health, I am unwilling to pay for their healthcare. Yes, I agree that in part I am already picking up the tab, but I don't believe it is as costly as it would be if the government administered health care. Furthermore, as Americans we are already burdened by more regulations than we can possibly be familiar with. If governement socializes medicine, it then has a right to legislate good health. I lose freedom.
You may not remember but in my first post, I noted that I am not insured. While I don't have an insurance company to negotiate for me, I can still negotiate, frequenting doctors, clinics, and hospitals that are willing to negotiate with me. For example, one of my sons needed minor surgery. I contacted the hospital, which willingly gave me a 20% discount because I paid up front.
Thank you for posting the study. I will review it.
metamora coug | 2:05 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Universal healthcare:
In regard to non-paying patients, the reason so many don't pay is because the consequences are few. Not paying a medical bill does not hold the same weight as not paying a credit card bill. Furher, the collection company our office uses (and I'm certain this is the case with most collection companies that medical offices use) does not harass indiviuals, unless you consider a monthly letter and statement as harassment.
In regard to non-paying patients, the reason so many don't pay is because the consequences are few. Not paying a medical bill does not hold the same weight as not paying a credit card bill. Furher, the collection company our office uses (and I'm certain this is the case with most collection companies that medical offices use) does not harass indiviuals, unless you consider a monthly letter and statement as harassment.
metamoracoug | 2:39 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
universal healthcare:
I read the study you cite. I don't mean to belittle it, but there are several problems that I immediately have with it:
1) it is published by a foundation formed to promote universal healthcare (I note particularly the background of the first author, Dr. Davis, and the "related articles," all of which are promoting universal health care)
2) it claims to derive it's conclusions from a study, but fails to indicate how the study was conducted, number of patients and doctors included in the study, questions posed, etc.
3) it also fails to answer certain questions, such as why these five countries were chosen to compare to the US as opposed to others? Or, how much more poorly does the US perform? Is it 2%? 5%? 25%?
I mean no offense to you, but the study, as it presently stands, would not stand up to scholarly review. Do you have anything more substantial for me to consider?
I read the study you cite. I don't mean to belittle it, but there are several problems that I immediately have with it:
1) it is published by a foundation formed to promote universal healthcare (I note particularly the background of the first author, Dr. Davis, and the "related articles," all of which are promoting universal health care)
2) it claims to derive it's conclusions from a study, but fails to indicate how the study was conducted, number of patients and doctors included in the study, questions posed, etc.
3) it also fails to answer certain questions, such as why these five countries were chosen to compare to the US as opposed to others? Or, how much more poorly does the US perform? Is it 2%? 5%? 25%?
I mean no offense to you, but the study, as it presently stands, would not stand up to scholarly review. Do you have anything more substantial for me to consider?
We might need it, soon! | 5:10 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Perhaps we will need some universal health care and some standards set for us as
a nation. It really could become a matter of national security if a majority of
US citizens are dealing with untreated diabetes, obesity, and a general lack of
fitness. Where will we find the soldiers to fight? Where will we find the
police officers? It may one day become absolutely essential to adopt universal
health care just to keep us all minimally healthy and able to do our jobs.
Anonymous | 5:58 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Classy lady.
Way too classy for any Utahn to comprehend.
Way too classy for any Utahn to comprehend.
What? | 8:04 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Let me get this straight:
Dems, led by Obama and his only recently patriotic wife, want "universal health care", which is just a fancy way of saying "let's force the American taxpayer (i.e., "you") to pay for your chain-smoking, beer guzzling, chainsaw juggling idiot neighbor's health care AND we'll screw it up by putting our ever efficient Federal Government in charge".
Did I get that right?
And....despite the fact that Dems are practically foaming at the mouth for this free-but-not-really-free-healthcare, when Romney instituted a form of taxpayer assisted healthcare in MA the Dems pretty much attacked Romney on that too.
Is anyone really going to tell me that Obama or Clinton or ANY front-name Dem publicly and repeatedly said "Good job, Romney!" on that issue?
(If so, I'd like proof of that....names, dates, newspapers, etc)
And yet, despite crucifying Romney for a taxpayer assisted healthcare plan (which was more lean / less convoluted than what the MA politicos outside of his governor's office approved) they are rabid for one now.
Does that make sense to anyone?
Dems, led by Obama and his only recently patriotic wife, want "universal health care", which is just a fancy way of saying "let's force the American taxpayer (i.e., "you") to pay for your chain-smoking, beer guzzling, chainsaw juggling idiot neighbor's health care AND we'll screw it up by putting our ever efficient Federal Government in charge".
Did I get that right?
And....despite the fact that Dems are practically foaming at the mouth for this free-but-not-really-free-healthcare, when Romney instituted a form of taxpayer assisted healthcare in MA the Dems pretty much attacked Romney on that too.
Is anyone really going to tell me that Obama or Clinton or ANY front-name Dem publicly and repeatedly said "Good job, Romney!" on that issue?
(If so, I'd like proof of that....names, dates, newspapers, etc)
And yet, despite crucifying Romney for a taxpayer assisted healthcare plan (which was more lean / less convoluted than what the MA politicos outside of his governor's office approved) they are rabid for one now.
Does that make sense to anyone?
To : "who cares?", 6:57 | 8:16 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
Hey, "who cares", you said "and who really gives a flyin'
[bleep]how they view her in rednecked, racist Utah".
There's no other way to say it so I'll just say it and hope this posts gets approved by the censors...
Are you an absolute idiot?
Are you so foolish as to believe that out of 50 states in the U.S. that Utah is the ONLY state in which people got ticked off when Michelle Obama said not more than 6 months ago that she was "for the first time" proud of her country?
And here I thought it was the evil Republicans that refused to acknowledge facts....
There's no other way to say it so I'll just say it and hope this posts gets approved by the censors...
Are you an absolute idiot?
Are you so foolish as to believe that out of 50 states in the U.S. that Utah is the ONLY state in which people got ticked off when Michelle Obama said not more than 6 months ago that she was "for the first time" proud of her country?
And here I thought it was the evil Republicans that refused to acknowledge facts....
Anonymous | 9:43 p.m. Aug. 27, 2008
These posts clearly reveal just how far Utahns and their backwards, conservative
ideology really is.
Oh, well.
Life goes on without them.
Oh, well.
Life goes on without them.
Anonymous | 6:51 a.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Once again the nasty neocons try to suggest that if you are against what the
current administration has reaped upon us, that equates to you "hating
America."
See how it's done?
See how it's done?
Pleeaasssee..... | 8:54 a.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Be very wary of the Obamas. Our country is in jeapardy if they get elected.
Higher taxes, more socialization (can you say communistic?), bad energy
policies, runaway liberalism, faulty reasoning, next 4 years blaming the
Republicans for the current state of affairs, no taking of responsibility, etc.
etc. I wish a majority of the voters would look at the realities instead of the
touchy-feelies.
re: Pleeaasssee | 1:33 p.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Our country is in jeopardy already. Even those who listen to Fox TV and Limbaugh
will tell you that.
Give credit where credit is due.
The GOP with their bogus Liberal America/Conservative America had their shot.
Time to try a different approach.
Give credit where credit is due.
The GOP with their bogus Liberal America/Conservative America had their shot.
Time to try a different approach.
re: Pleeaasssee..... | 3:06 p.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Who's not looking at realities? This is our current situation:
* nearly $600 billion spent on the war in Iraq. Roughly 4000 American soldiers killed. For some strange reason, even though years ago we tried and killed Saddam and established a new government, we still can't seem to end the war.
* a government who spies on its own citizens in violation of the constitution.
* most lax ecological policies in the developed world; most pollution per capita of any developed nation.
* steady decline in the number of Americans with health insurance; steady increase in the cost of health care (health care inflation in 2007 was nearly twice the rate of overall inflation).
* a dollar so weak that it is worth less than the Canadian dollar.
Voting for Obama has nothing to do with touchy-feely and everything to do with changing the realities of the current Republican administration's disastrous policies.
* nearly $600 billion spent on the war in Iraq. Roughly 4000 American soldiers killed. For some strange reason, even though years ago we tried and killed Saddam and established a new government, we still can't seem to end the war.
* a government who spies on its own citizens in violation of the constitution.
* most lax ecological policies in the developed world; most pollution per capita of any developed nation.
* steady decline in the number of Americans with health insurance; steady increase in the cost of health care (health care inflation in 2007 was nearly twice the rate of overall inflation).
* a dollar so weak that it is worth less than the Canadian dollar.
Voting for Obama has nothing to do with touchy-feely and everything to do with changing the realities of the current Republican administration's disastrous policies.
dcc | 9:53 p.m. Aug. 28, 2008
We live in the greatest country on earth. But you cannot be proud of a
government that TORTURES.
Anonymous | 5:32 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008
Throw the bums out!
Prosecute those who brought disgrace on this great country with preemptive war (America's first, and hopefully last) based on lies and deceit that is bankrupting us while making Dick and Lynn Cheney filthy rich (Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)
Prosecute those who brought disgrace on this great country with preemptive war (America's first, and hopefully last) based on lies and deceit that is bankrupting us while making Dick and Lynn Cheney filthy rich (Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)
Re:KGB | 4:19 p.m. Aug. 30, 2008
"Feel however you want politically, but you have to have the right-wing
blinders on pretty tightly not to admit that the Obamas seem to be a strong
family that exemplifies America at its' best. Utah being Utah, though, most
of you will continue to parrot what the Limbaughs and Hannitys say. Sad, sad,
sad."
But it is okay for the Obamaites to parrot change, change, change. Yes Obama is a good orator and inspires people but I recall in recent world history there was another leader that also inspired his people with oratory and charisma.
But it is okay for the Obamaites to parrot change, change, change. Yes Obama is a good orator and inspires people but I recall in recent world history there was another leader that also inspired his people with oratory and charisma.
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And now at the Dem conventions she's gushing with pride over her country.
I'm sure that her current level of patriotism has NOTHING to do with some much needed battle-damage PR after her real feelings were expressed a month ago....
Makes me want to absolutely throw up.
People!, is THIS the best that we can do?
Dan Maloy
Enid, OK