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Established forms of marriage | 4:51 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

if we're going to go with the argument - God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman....then what happened to the people who decided to marry more than one woman...if today any mainstream religion decided to institute plural marriage, anyone who are members of that religion claiming to know God's will, would be in the very same boat as the gay's...subject to the violence of words like, "abomination, evil, destruction of family"..actually i think something like that happened once before in the US????....hmmmm

re: estgablished forms of... | 8:10 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Hey, if you want to make it a religious argument based on the scriptures, then all christian churches should practice polygamy...hmmmmm

re: major hypocrites | 8:15 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

You are confused, agency was never given unconditionally. As always with every choice there is a consequence. Agency is merely the power to choose, not the right to live a life without any consequences.

To be a free people you must make choices that bring freedom.

You have made serious errors with your superficial undestanding of the doctrine of agency.

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Anonymous | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

What I feel for my gay son as I read the religious posts is "Hate the sin, be disgusted by the sinner".

Anonymous @9:09 portrays that without having a clue of the affect that her words have on gays who have no "agenda" other than to love someone. For you and me, homosexuality seems odd and unnatural. For most gays, the attraction to those of the same sex is all they have felt or ever will feel.

Quoting anonymous' words of "a sin and morally wrong" "something so wrong" and an "abomination", what feelings would they evoke in Mormons if they are said about Mormons. How do they make you feel about the one using those words, especially "abomination". The phrase "Hate the theology, love the Mormon" would be especially condescending.

That is what gays feel and that's why the rhetoric reaches the level it does.

Be my guest to say they are God's words, not yours. The result of you using them and wanting to impose them on gays is what you read in this and other similar threads.

Mc | 9:06 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Anonymous 8:29
We have lots of experience with people who hate our theology and hate us because of our theology. I appreciate those who say they hate our theology, but love us. I don't feel it is condescending at all. I don't expect them to love our theology or even understand it and that's okay. They have their own and they don't have to accept mine. I wish that gays could see it that way. They want to change our whole definition of marriage, a sacred instituion to us and they expect us to just shut up and accept it.

Cherilyn Bacon Eagar | 9:36 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Stop diminishing this topic to hatred and bigotry. I've employed and worked with and am friends with many homosexuals. This is not about adult homosexuals having sex with each other legally and getting tax benefits. This is about children, parentsï¿½ rights, religion and taxes. Here are some questions:

1. Do children deserve both a mom and a dad? Social science shows a resounding "YES." Same gender marriage promotes child adoption. Why would a civilized culture take legal action to promote an environment known to be detrimental to children (minus either the mother or father)?

2. Do parents paying school taxes have a right to have their values taught in those schools? Absolutely. But when same gender marriage becomes law, parents lose that right.

3. Should government to dictate religious doctrine and have the power to silence them with government-initiated fines and loss of tax exempt status? That has already happened in Canada.

4. Do we want to create havoc with our tax laws and pay more taxes to cover a spectrum of long-standing, mutually loyal relationships (e.g. two friends who live in the same house)?

Cherilyn Bacon Eagar
World Class Education Research

Gus | 9:56 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I live in a very conservative area of California and I went knocked doors on Saturday as well. Let me tell you that I am very scared that Prop 8 won't pass. 70% of the people I spoke with are voting no, and most of them because the opposition is doing a great job at spinning this as a gay rights issue, when it is clearly not.

I will keep knocking and trying to clear up the confusion.

Monitors | 9:57 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Shame to Deseret News. Many of the good on-topic and true areticles are being excluded in this thread because they are not pro-church. I'm an active member but very ashamed with the church over their political stand. Politics from the pulpit is no way to go.

A Bit of Advice | 9:58 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

To Mc: Go ahead and continue to play martyr. Aren't you special? Get my violin.

To Chrilyn Bacon Eagar: Quit pontificating. The topic at hand is equal legal rights for gays. It has nothing to do with children. "World Class Education Research"? I think not!

You both need to get an education and expand your knowledge.

To Ms. Eagar | 10:07 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Here are some answers:

1. Children deserve loving parents. Not all "social science" shows that heterosexual parents are superior to same-gender parents. Same-gender marriage promotes child adoption, true. Our society is filled with a need for homes for unwanted children. Why would a civilized culture take legal action to DISCOURAGE people from adopting unwanted children? [Your bigotry is evident in your false judgement that same-sex marriages constitute "an environment known to be detrimental to children." That is YOUR unsupported opinion.

2. Do gays who pay school taxes have a right to have their values taught in those schools? Absolutely. Until same gender marriage becomes law, gays have been deprived of that right!

3. Red herring. Nobody is asking government to dictate religious doctrine. The government represents the people. Gays are people, too. YOu seem to forget that small detail. Government does not "silence" religions unless religions take government funding. In case you didn't notice, California is not Canada. The Canadian cases ALL involve religions taking government funding.

4. No "havoc" will be created with our tax laws and NO more taxes will be paid that aren't already being paid.

Your organization should be called "World Class Propoganda and Lies"

Anonymous | 10:10 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Gus,

How is this NOT a gay rights issue?

What do you smoke when you go stalking the neighborhood?

Tarah | 10:22 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I would like to share my testimony. I know that God lives and loves me. I know that God created me as I am. Gay. I know that my love for my partner is true and everlasting. I know that same-sex marriage is right and good. I know that we have been praying for this for many years, and now our prayers have been answered. I praise God for working in mysterious ways to bring about his peace and his reign on the earth. I know that same-sex marriage finally recognizes all of God's children as truly equal: God is no respecter of persons. I know that the Founders of this great nation were inspired to establish a government that preserves individual liberty, equal protection before the law, and equal rights for all citizens. I have a testimony of these things and encourage all who doubt it to pray to God to soften your heart so that you, too, can see the light of God's truth about the equality of all people. Search your heart in true humility, and you will come to know as I do that discrimination against others is not God's way.

You want to be free? | 10:39 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

TO: We're Amongst Major Hyporcrites@4:51am

You think you're any different than all the others who have left the church throughout history? You will now become more hardened against it and will fight against it more vehemently than other anti-mormons. You have now entered the great and spacious building that has no foundation, "and great will be the fall thereof".

Free agency means that there is a right and a wrong. You are free to choose righteousness and eternal life through Jesus Christ or captivity and death according to the captivity of the devil. It sounds like you have chosen the latter...

There are numerous examples in scripture and in Christ's life that states that if we love him, we'll keep His commandments. These include not even lusting after a women, let alone having sexual relations with her outside of marriage, and I don't even have to mention a gay relationship. You are free to choose, but that does not mean there won't be consequences.

Those that are members of the LDS church struggle just like everyone else. We're not perfect. However, it offers us a firm foundation, a plan of happiness and a hope of things to come.

Mary | 10:47 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

gay people need help, something isn't connected correctly in there brains. This not meant to be funny---It's just a true fact! Watch these people very closely and you will see that the gay boys and girls are not normal in there actions in any way.

Steve | 10:48 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

A greater commandment is to love one another. This anti-gay stance the church has mandated has now led the members to hate and fear. Those emotions lead to contention, war and isolation. Unfortunatly politics from the pulpit does discriminate. Ask yourself what would Jesus do before you give money and knock doors on this issue. Honestly I dont believe he would approve of what we are doing. Were we not also despised for our beliefs in polygamy? Ask in prayer and you may find a conflict in supporting this as I have.

Gus | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

It's not a gay rights issue because in California there is a law that says every right, privilege, benefit, etc that a married couple enjoys is automatically extended to a gay couple who are bound in a gay civil union. Most people don't know this but it is the law, plain and simple. And the anti-prop 8 crowd doesn't want you to know this either.

Therefore, when the anti-prop 8 commercials come on the TV, saying that you shouldn't take away gays' rights, they are misleading voters because prop 8 does not take away a gay person's rights at all. Gay civil unions have every single right that a marriage does.

Also, this is not a political issue so it is perfectly acceptable for the LDS Church to get involved. This is a moral issue and the Church has an obligation to involve itself.

Tory | 11:15 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

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Almost gone | 11:25 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

It truly saddens my heart when I read the hateful comments from members of my soon-to-be former Church. I simply refuse to belong to an organization that fosters such hateful attitudes. I know this can't be what Christ would ever want from us, and I pray the Lord can help soften our hearts.

Gus | 11:28 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

For the record, I support gay civil unions, but not gay marriages.

And yes, gay couples in a gay civil union can adopt children. Just ask Rosie.

Jake | 11:33 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

YES, Polygamy and homosexuality are very similar---they are both IMMORAL PRACTICES. Both practiced by people who have uncontrollable sexual desires. Very similar indeed.

The only difference is one uses god to get away with evil to do evil.

To: WC on page 1 of Comments | 11:58 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

"Gay Marriage will be the undoing of the LDS CHURCH"? How do you figure? It will be a big part of the demise of these United States as WE KNOW IT! Homosexuality "out of the Closet" (Because you will never completely stop it), The Unchastity of America, Both Parents Working Outside the Home, And the UNGODLINESS of the American Society. The end of these United States as a Republic will sneak up on us as a country sooner than we think, and this and all our freedoms will all be gone, and you won't be blaming the LDS Church, you will be blaming the Liberals who preach NO PRAYER IN SCHOOLS, No "In God We Trust" on our Money, Abortion Rights, and Gay Rights such as Gay Marriage. All of these things will lead this country to the end of the Greatest Civilization on the face of the earth and we will become a Suppressed nation no longer free. We will collapse because of immorality just like the ancient Greeks, and the Roman Empire, all because of our own pride and lavatiousness and perversions. History repeats itself my friend, and we are on that very same slippery slope! "CougarKeith"

The greatest commandment... | 12:15 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Steve@10:48am states, "A greater commandment is to love one another. This anti-gay stance the church has mandated has now led the members to hate and fear."

The greatest commandment of all is this; to love the Lord thy God with all they heart, might, mind and strength. It is clearly stated in scripture that if we truly love him, we will keep his commandments. One of those commandments is that we love our neighbor as ourself.

As an LDS member, I take this commandment seriously. I strive to treat my neighbors as I would like them to treat me. I never want them to condone those things I do wrong, but love me and help me through tough times.

I would never persecute, accuse, judge in a condemning or condescending way, or do anything that would cause the person hurt. I desire to help them through their tough times and accept them for who they are. However, this does not mean that I condone those things they do wrong.

Homosexuality is a sin and something I cannot, in good conscious,excuse. I need to keep ALL the commandments which includes, among many things, loving my neighbor, but not condoning the sin.

Times are changing... | 12:27 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Last night I was privileged to witness the most tender exchange between a gay performer and his obvious partner in the audience. In that moment I realized that my attitudes had taken a major shift. To me, the moment was touching and sweet--not horrible or gross. I think we, as a society, are slowly evolving. We are starting to realize that EVERYONE has a right to be who they are and to love the way they love. I for one, applaud our movement. I think even Jesus would approve.

John Pack Lambert | 1:09 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

To the 11:54 pm commentator,
Well, you are right "frieghtened" is probably a misplaced word.
I think it is overused by the propnants of same-gender marriage.
However that the societal level of hate for Mormons is higher than for homosexuals, well I do not think that is so. However, in San Francisco I am sure it is so.
You speak for morality these days and you get broadsided with attacks about being a "homophobe".
I guess where I am going is that there are people on the left, I will make sure to say that it is not all of such, who think it is ok to speak ill of Mormons, Catholics and Orthodox (but you must make sure you are only singeling out Orthodox) Jews in the most demaning and mean spirited manner possible.

John Pack Lambert | 1:12 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Oddly enough these people on the left that I spoke of tend also to be those who attack you as a "bigot" if you say that homosexual sex has a much higher chance of spreading AIDS than hetrerosexual sex.
They attack you as an idiot and a sheep if you base your stance on what the Prophets of the Lord have said, and if you try to interject any social scientific research into the discussion they say "the conclusions you are coming to are invalid".
Sometimes people scream "bigot" so load that they become the ones who are spreading the most unease, hate and discomfort.

st | 1:45 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

This may be a bit off subject but I wanted to bring it up. It is really interesting what the prophets and apostles of the LDS church have said regarding the subject of homosexuality. The LDS church does not condone homosexual behavior. They are, however, accepting and understanding of one who has those feelings and/or desires. The sin is in actually dwelling and acting on those feelings. To have the desire is not wrong. How comforting that must be to those members who are suffering with the guilt of this. Talk to your Bishop or a parent about it. Get it out in the open so that you may deal with it properly and free yourself from the guilt that may be consuming your life. My sister has chosen a homosexual lifestyle and I only wish she had heard this news before she decided to give into her desires and pursue a homosexual relationship. I love her with all of my heart despite her choice and I know that there is always another door open.

Duce Bigelow | 2:13 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Sodomites will have you believe that Acts of God are protected by civil law. Wrong!

Personal taste and indiviual preference should never be regulated by the Federal Government.

God help you all | 2:50 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

To Gus: So if civil unions are "equal" to marriage, why are you all so upset about it? "Separate but equal" went out with Brown vs. The Board of Education.

To st: Let me get this right... I'm supposed to be celibate my whole life, just so YOU can feel good about me and your sister?

To Observer | 3:07 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I guess if your rationale is correct, then we can allow murder, rape, child molestation, because those are religious beliefs. Not everyone has to adhere to the idea of "Thou shalt not kill". That sounds kind of silly to me. There has to be right and wrong in life. If there wasn't any then why have laws in the first place? If you search deep within your own heart you will hear that little voice shouting that marriage is between a man and a woman. Those that ignore that voice usually have something to hide. It's the same voice that says don't kill!!!!

Here's my question... | 3:15 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Why wasn't the church fighting the "civil union" law when it was passed in 2005? It seems to give gays the same rights as married couples. Doesn't this law undermine "marriage" and family or are we really fighting for just a word? Isn't this water under the bridge since they already have unions?

Jessica | 3:16 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Seriously, everyone needs to find something constructive to do with their time. The gay-marriage war has been fought and won. You guys completely missed the action. Time to move on. The majority of Americans support it and the courts consistently rule in favor of it. It's over.

Gus | 4:18 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I'm not upset about civil unions, in fact I support them and would vote for them if they didn't already exist. But I am upset that gays want their unions classified as marriage and thus re-define what marriage is. Because two gay people cannot, according to the long-existing definition of "marriage", fulfill the ultimate goal of marriage.

Contrary to popular belief, marriage is about much more than the culmination of romantic feelings between two people. Also, marriage is much more than committing and giving yourself to another. It is more than just placing your trust and love in another too. Marriage is about fulfilling God's plan, the eventual immortality and eternal life of His children. That's what marriage is all about, and it requires one man and one woman uniting together to form a family, to which children can be born and raised within the family of God and with the promise of immortality and eternal life.

I hope that answers your question.

By the way, tolerance is not the same as acceptance. I can tolerate someone's gay lifestyle but I don't have to regard it as acceptable.

Utah Resident | 5:03 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I have just one question for everyone here, and it is a serious one, not brought up before. Just how well has Religion treated Gay People through the years? They have been subjected to burning at the stake, hanging, castration, electroshock therapy, just to name a few, all at the hands of their religion.

Easy to fix | 5:16 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Re:No more | 9:06 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

"If any church want to be involved in POLITICS which this issue is, they should no longer be tax exempt. Marriage is a CIVIL institution, only the ceremony has anything to do with religion. All the churches involved in this political issue need to be taxed. Then maybe they would keep their religion where it belongs. In church."

We can fix that. After Prop 8 is passed, we can pass laws to assure that Churches will be tax exempt permanently with out fear of political repercussions that their exempt status will be overturned because they exercised their constitutional right of free speech. It will pass easily because the majority of the people in the U.S. have a religious faith of some kind

Worst case senario | 5:32 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Just suppose that the people of California DO decide to allow gay marriages to continue in their state. How much will that decision effect any of you? Is it really worth all the time, money and effort the Church is throwing at it? Is it worth all the hard feelings and enemies that are being made in the mean-time?

So what if gay people who are now living together with their own children are legally allowed to call themselves a family? So what if gay couples are able to fill out a joint-tax return. So what if gay couples are allowed to adopt, and all those kids that are now in foster care are given two same sex parents?

So what?

to almost gone | 5:55 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I am so with you brother. I'm about 90% out of this hateful church myself. Wow is all I have to say. I have too many gay LDS and non LDS friends that are great people. I cant believe we are going after them from the pulpit. I saw a post earlier that said "Let's all put down our pitchforks" Amen to that.

I Wonder | 5:56 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I wonder how many comments that are supposedly from "Mormons" that dislike their Church's stand on homosexual marriage are ACTUALLY from LDS members?

I'm sure some of these type of comments are legitimate, but I bet a lot of them are written by people who have never even set foot in an LDS chapel.

Jess Anderson | 6:01 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Tarah, Great testimony. I pray you will find peace in your life as a Gay and pray prop 8 does not pass. I also hope you dont feel to much hatred from the church. Many believe like I do and refuse to give the LDS church money or time on this crazy prop8 idea. Publicly we cant talk much about it or they will X us. Many believe you have just as much right to practice sexual preferance and worship the Almighty as the founders of our church did when they had multiple wifes. It is equal rights, equal love and peace that is the correct way to behave.

Busting bubbles * | 6:24 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

to- I Wonder?
Well, I was born into the church and a 8 generation Mormon, but I have left. I think you live in a dream world and think there is nothing else in the world but the ward in which you belong too. Good for you, because I do not care. And by the way, I am not gay either.

Oh yeah! I have a name too.

Karen

To Gus @4:18 | 7:06 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

You've written that "Contrary to popular belief, marriage is about much more than the culmination of romantic feelings between two people. Also, marriage is much more than committing and giving yourself to another. It is more than just placing your trust and love in another too. Marriage is about fulfilling God's plan..." The first part of your comments are a wonderful description of why gay people might want to be married. But your comment about marriage fulfilling God's plan simply refers to a religious ceremony NOT a civil one. And all gays are seeking is a civil ceremony.

Standing with feet planted | 7:37 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Well said Richard E.

No on Prop 8 | 7:41 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

LDS members you should be scared, because your church is on the verge of a total change or a complete collapse. I will be voting no on prop 8 and I would love to see as a former LDS member a total shift in the outdated thinking of the LDS Church. The world is evolving and it is wonderful. Narrow thinking is being limited and contained to areas in our country that are still 50 years behind the times. Love and Light

Voting according to conscience | 8:18 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Each person has the right to vote according to their conscience. The choices of a person's conscience is based on individual morals--whatever those morals are.

Each person in this country has the privilege to help form the laws based on personal choice and what they value. There's nothing wrong with trying to teach and encourage others to vote the same way you do.

I don't buy the argument that churches, and the people who belong to the churches, should have no voice in our society. That same argument was used during the issue on slavery. Slave owners said churches who were against slavery should stay out of the argument because, according to them, slavery was not a moral issue. Absurd. What some often forget, is ALL issues are moral issues. Morals are based on personal moorings based on what we value--hence our personal values.

I believe in the rule of law, not the whim of judges. I want to voice my choice of how our society should be, based on my personal values, not on the emotion of the moment.

Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre said, laws are created for times when it is not convenient to keep them.

Freight Train | 11:13 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

The Church, or the Kingdom of God on Earth, will roll forth no matter what happens.
The choice for us is rather we want on the train or not. Do we want to follow our inspired leaders?

In a time when the world is becoming more and more wicked in anticipation to the Second Coming. Don't you think there will be a sifting of the people? Don't the scriptures teach that it will be more and more difficult to stay on the fence, that people will be required to take one side or the other. So true for this debate.

As I read the comments on here from members and nonmembers alike, it seems people are aligning themselves to one side or the other.

The question is Who's on the Lord's side who?

To "No on Prop 8" | 11:21 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

"No on Prop 8 | 7:41 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008
LDS members you should be scared, because your church is on the verge of a total change or a complete collapse."

And you "know" this because?.....

Unafraid | 11:28 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I'm LDS and I'm not scared of what the future holds for my church.

Big changes ahead? Maybe.

I honestly think that there just might be tens of thousands of LDS members who ask to have their names removed from the records of the church. I didn't used to think that at all until I started reading message boards on the DesNews. If everyone who claims to be LDS and "wanting out" is truly a member, then I suspect that many will be leaving before too long and that this issue of homosexuality will be a major reason.

If a member wants to stay, great. If a member wants to leave, while that saddens me greatly, that's their choice and the Church will respect that.

It is unfolding EXACTLY like the Lord said it would; the wheat is being separated from the tares. Each person must choose for themselves.

Choose wisely.

The caravan moves on!

Stupidity of Thought | 11:43 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

I've been posting comments on these homosexual marriage columns for months now and will honestly say that I can't stand the stupidity of thought coming from the pro-homosexual side. Before you freak out and call me "homo-phobic", please know that I'm attacking, yes, attacking, your thoughts, your values (or the lack thereof), your attitudes, your opinions, and in no small way, your screwed up thinking.

Acting out homosexual desires is a sin. Period. Dot. End of story. No one can help you think clearly and rationally if you refuse to do so. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong, both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. To those who claim to be a "gay Mormon" (amigos, there ain't no such thing), your own unique scriptures (the Book of Mormon, etc) and leaders repeatedly have condemned homosexual actions.

Nature itself shuns homosexuality because it leads to extincion. Imagine that!

To LDS parents who claim to have homosexual children who are "offended" by how they're treated. No, LDS members as a whole are not pefect, but what your children are doing is WRONG. If you've taught them right principles then the only ones who should feel guilty are your children.

To Karen, Who's Bursting Bubbles | 11:53 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

So you're an 8th generation Mormon who's leaving the LDS church? OK.

However, I'm a 6th generation Mormon who decided a long time ago to stick with it, n-o m-a-t-t-e-r w-h-a-t.

Like the song says, "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything".

Till we meet.

Dan

Sane person | 12:07 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008

I just spoke to God and he told me that he supports gay marriage. You may choose to believe me or not, but it's the truth. Do you see how crazy that sounds? Anybody who claims to know what God wants is either insane or a liar.

Livy | 2:01 a.m. Aug. 27, 2008

I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) and only fear God. I don't fear the choices others make because that is entirely out of my hands. I do not fear man, nor do I make decision based on what men, or the world, thinks is best. This is foundation-less and will eventually lead to me being miserable. Ultimately it will lead to a halt to my eternal progression. This is what's known as being "damned".

'He who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation' are good words to live by. Those who have had the truth and forsake it are the ones who have the most to fear.

I don't fear the prospect of Prop 8 not passing. I do hope that it will. It would be to California's and our nation's best interest. If it doesn't, I know I'm living according to the teachings and commandments of Christ. This gives me peace, even among the wickedness that plagues this earth. I also know it will only get worse.

The LDS church is as strong as it has ever been. This gives me peace and comfort as well.

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