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High school football: Pine View makes amends in defeating Mountain View

Over-rated | 6:02 a.m. Aug. 23, 2008

Mt. View continues to live off the press clippings of media-types who think the Bruins have returned to their prominence of the 1990's. Not so.

The Orem schools (all three) are no longer the powers of Utah County. Timpview, Pleasant Grove, and American Fork have out-performed the MV teddy-bears, the Orem Kittens, and the Timpanogos puppies.

MV Fan | 9:53 a.m. Aug. 23, 2008

MV should have never got rid of Coach Rehrer. Anyone who has followed MV football can clearly see that the program has gone downhill ever since he was fired. (He was fired 2 seasons after he posted an undefeated regular season in '99, by the way). In his first couple years at MV, Principal Clark heard some complaints from parents whose boys weren't playing enough and that Rehrer was 'a mean guy'. Intense? Yes. Mean? Far from it. An incredible coach and an even better person. Clark listened to the complaints (with little or no investigation as to their truths) and fired Rehrer. MV has probably averaged 3 or 4 wins per season since.
....Pretty sad.
PV has a solid team, wish them the best of luck. Hope our running backs are alright.

Past Bruin | 11:46 a.m. Aug. 23, 2008

You can't sit there and say that Coach Rehrer is the best, I mean he was really awesome.. But can't hold last nights loss on Teko. Teko is totally awesome clearly helped turn around the team from their losing streak.. Yes they lost last night, but Pineview is one of the best solid teams in the state along with Timpview, they can't be expected to win. As for MV no longer being a power, they were last year so don't step on that junk. They were way under estimated and out played almost every team that they did play. Yes they are no longer a HUGE power. But they are still good. This year they are going to have a really rough year because there is most definitely not as much talent as last year, or as the 90's. Coach plays apart. But Teko is an amazing coach. He can't take the wrap off a expected loss.

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PV Mom - Great MV Fans | 11:57 a.m. Aug. 23, 2008

My son, a PV player heard the crowd cheer, Good job, Pine View - at the end of the game. I thought that showed great sportsmanship. Someone is doing something right at your school! Thanks!

To Over rated | 12:55 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

yeah your right timpanogos puppies arnt any good.. they only finished 5th in state last your... i mean p.g. did so much better.. and so did orem... and the fact is if all those three orem schools combined they would be the size of riverton high school

miss u rob | 5:43 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

PV played a decent game against MV. Running game with Ence, Hafoka & big O line is impressive, but the team is noticeably one dimensional offensively without Rob Evans. Other receivers better step up or the better teams will load the box and PV will get beat.

pvforever | 6:50 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

miss u rob, Pineview missed Rob some, but he was not the team and to think they will fall without him is the opinion of a short sighted and one-sided individual. The game they played was not as explosive as last year. First game jitters, new players, and great expectations, I think they responded and played well after settling in. The recievers are getting their timing down and routes.
They have some very young sophomores, a wide out replacing Rob and a tight end that will back up Orr and be a force before the season is over.

Go panthers, Rob we do miss you and as always happens someone steps up just as you did.

Short-sighted/One-Sided | 9:16 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

Fact: PV did what it had to do to win. The defense which goes unmentioned here made the plays when it absolutely had to. They out-toughed, out-strengthed, and out-lasted MV's big back attack. Fact: Justin Ence and Villiami Hafoka were the PV offense, period.
Fact: PV receivers must and will step up, but no one is going to step up to the level of Evans and PV's passing attack was flat and ineffective withou him. They missed him, they missed him badly, and that's all there is to it. Don't get on someone's case for pointing out the truth.

To PV Forever | 9:20 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

Let's wait a bit on that "as always someone steps up just as you did. At MV last night, there wasn't one receiver who stepped up. They might, and for sure need to, but don't act like it happened when it didn't. Rob Evans was and is not "the team" as you say, but you're in a dream world if you couldn't see the effect of his absence out there last night. Get real.

to short-sighted/one-sided | 9:35 p.m. Aug. 23, 2008

Who cares if Ence and Villi were the offence-Everyone knew it was coming and still couldn't stop it. Evans is a great athlete but he was not PV's entire "TEAM". PV will be just fine and those young additions will put forth the effort to get them where they need to be. Ence struggled a bit-not because Evans wasn't there but because it was the first time he led that team on his own. Last year he stepped in on the plays they wanted him to run on. This year he is responsible for all of it. Justin is an extremely tough kid and will lead this team. The team is not dwelling on Evans but we are certainly glad everyone else is. We hope they stop focusing on the rest of the team because it will bite them in the backside eventually.

YOUNG | 3:16 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008

It was a good game for sure, not really how everyone wanted to see Pv win but its a win. Guys remember that the offensive side of the ball is considerably youth. Ence, Villi, Wood, the two wide outs (i dont know thier last names), have never started or played those positions at the varsity level ever. So just relax the recievers will step up.

re.young | 3:58 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008

Easy to say that young receivers will 'step up' but it's impossible to replace a all state D1 receiver like Robert Evans.Its a lot to ask Juniors and Sophomores to fill his shoes.Maybe it will happen but it's not likely.If Pine View goes back to the state championship game it will be Ence and the defense leading them there.Good luck.

I Said it once already | 6:05 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008

Stop with Evans-someone has a love affair with him- But you seriously sound like you are mad that PV won. I bet you were hoping that they would lose so you could have tooted your horn about it.. Like I said the team has moved on- I guess in your opinion PV should just forfit the rest of their games because "Bert" isn't out there.. I hope you're not a fan of our team because wow is all I can say to your comments.

re.re.young | 7:15 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008

Wasn't Evans a junior last year, but in your opinion no one can step up like he did. You seem to think there is no one on the team now that Evans is hurt. Take a look at the players. As for last years team there was Marinko, Tait, Ence, Dias and the entire O line that made the team run. Perhaps these players made the whole team better, including Evans. I believe that Ence and the rest will do ok. The test will be the game they have with the Cal team. I wish them well as I hope you do. I also wish the best for Evans, if he could only come back it would help his chances of being a D1 recruit. Let's all pull together for the team and not the individuals (which would make PV look a lot like another St. George ) GO PINE VIEW!!!!!!!

Anoymous | 7:41 p.m. Aug. 24, 2008

why do pine view players always go crazy over the little things like numbers and names.

it's like if you accused a pine view player of not having an achilles tendon he would find a scalpel and tear his leg open just to show you!

i remember last year after they got eaten by timpview they were all complaining about the open enrollment policy at that school.

we all know PV has a good team this year and in years past, but they definitely have a reputation as a whining school, but thankfully they are not as bad as snow canyon.

congrats on the win, but what PV really needs to do to get everyone's respect is to play hard and shut up.

that's where real champions are.

The Evans Debate | 7:55 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

This debate clearly has two sides: (1) Those with the opinion Rob Evans was THE team, and (2) Those with the view he wasn't that important. Both views are dead wrong. How about handling it at least as well as Evans is? Go to the 1210 AM Sports Radio website and listen to the archived interview he gave to Devin Dixon last week--pure class. Or ask one of his teammates about his speech to the team just after being elected a team captain--not one mention of himself or his injury, just the team and what they have to do to win. It's clear HE never believed he was THE team, & you don't get selected as the 1st Team All-State 4A WR because you're just average. So drop it. And 'PVForever' keep your day job--you have no idea how to analyze a football game.

The Evans Debate Too | 9:17 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

The great debator there says everyone is wrong.. Ok that is fine- My point is neither that Evans was the team or not that important. My POINT is that it's over with. Why dwell on something that is not going to change. He is out of the picture and the team has to deal with it. Why beat a dead horse over and over again? But someone on these blogs just can't get enough of it. It's like you're concerned that someone is going to forget him-listen no one on that team will forget him. They miss him out there because he was a friend too-not just someone who caught balls. But they can't roll over and die just because he can't do that this year. Noone said he was a great reciever-but he is not suited up and these boys have got to move on.

The Great Debator Too | 9:16 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

Oops-meant to say wasn't a great reciever because he was.. Typo..

The Great Debator Too | 9:38 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

I meant to say that noone said he wasn't a great reciever because he is.. Sorry for the typo.

a big fan | 10:18 a.m. Aug. 25, 2008

hey how about that offensive line. They did a great job, yes there are a few new players on the line but they bucked up and held those boys. With a strong line from last year. Lytle, Boyer, and Moss. They'll get there. Defense had a few problems but it wont take long to figure those out with the great coaching staff at pine view. sorry to hear about Evans but they'Ve got alot of talent waiting to play. Ence, Woods, Orr, Harris and more they will work hard to get there.

miss u rob | 12:01 p.m. Aug. 25, 2008

It's interesting to read the negative reactions to a simple football truth that if your receivers can't get off a jam, get open and stretch a secondary, teams will man you up, load the box and shut down your running game. No one ever said Rob was the whole offense, but he was fundamentally important to the PV offense, because he could get off a jam and couldn't be covered by a single defender. Does his loss put PV in a bind? Obviously. The jump from JV football to varsity competition is a big one, and it takes more than a game or two for a young receiver to make the adjustment. That was true for Rob as well. The PV coaches will clearly have to move some older players around and find another outside receiver who can be effective now, and the other receivers will have to step up their game. If they can't, a fast athletic team like Dominguez that will almost certainly use lots of man coverage will expose it.

Dominguez vs. Pine View | 8:00 p.m. Aug. 25, 2008

Dominguez--and their entire conference--live by the run. Their 2007 stats show an 80-20 run-to-pass ratio. Their two starting backs both rushed for well over 1,000 yards last season. So, it isn't hard to predict that Coach Croshaw's defense is the key to this game, and tackling will be critical. At Mtn. View, Heimuli racked up 184 yards rushing on our 'D' especially early-on when he was fresh and just ran through tackles. Our 'D' line has to dominate the L.O.S. and our linebackers have to make instant reads and make sure hits before their backs get rolling. All that being said, I know our boys can shut down the run, leaving Dominguez with what they like to do least--throw. Our DBs at MV showed they can pick, and will do so again.

I mostly agree | 11:39 a.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Problem against Mtn View was a backer who was free lancing instead of reading and filling and that left a hole for Heimuli. D line actually did a great job (six or seven sacks by my count and 20-25 tackles). Hopefully, Hosner will make a change at that linebacking spot and the defense should be fine. Dominguez is very predictable and relies on pure athleticism to beat you. They go with man coverage, so they can bring the house, pressure the passer and blow up running plays. You have to be able to throw against them (at least screen them) to open it up and beat them.

re young | 3:42 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Agreed,Robert Evans was a junior last year and a all state junior at that.But you have to understand you can not replace a Robert Evans!His size,speed and talent do not come around very often.No disrespect to PV.Young receivers that have never been in a varsity game won't be able to do that.No doubt that PV has a good team and I hope they win.My only point was when you lose a Robert Evans and then just make a blanket statement that young inexperienced receivers will 'step up' is naive.PV supporters don't be so defensive when someone makes a constructive comment.Good luck to the PV team I'm sure they will have a great year.

dominguez vs pineview. | 4:43 p.m. Aug. 26, 2008

Pineview didn't stop the run well last year against timpview, trust me the army all american marcus darden and all their other backs will make them pay for a lax defense. Dominguez has the best rushing attack in california. I've been reading the cal message boards and it seems they can pass pretty well this season, beating both mater dei and long beach poly on the same day in passing league.

Appalachian State? | 2:04 p.m. Aug. 28, 2008

Dominguez = Michigan, PV = App State? Executing is the name of this game. PV's 'D' position-by-position has to do it right, do it quick, and do it with authority. Heimuli and Mounga for MV weren't exactly slouches, and neither finished the game. Don't underrate PV's 'D' or their 'O'. This is one hard-nosed, skilled, and focused group. All Region 9 ought to be pulling for PV to down Dominguez, and come to the game to cheer them on. Go Panthers!

To: A State | 9:46 a.m. Aug. 29, 2008

Yeah I agree we should all cheer PV on. I am sure there will be plenty of Dixie players there-only they will be on the other side cheering for Dominguez. I don't think any PV fan would expect anything else..

A State | 4:16 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008

Well, To: A State, I hope you've misjudged Dixie. I think they're better than that. We'll find out at 9pm Sat. nite. Hope to see alot of Flyer blue on the PV side.

To: A State | 7:51 p.m. Aug. 29, 2008

I hope you are right.. I hope there is SC players there too. I know that I would cheer for them and always do.

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