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Suggestion? | 10:47 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

My son lived in at least two BYU approved complexes - The Riviera and Branbury. The cleaning was a joke, especially at the Riviera. I thought he had moved into a third-world dive!

These students are members of BYU Stakes and Wards. Their leadership are all married men from different family wards throughout the area.

Long before the kids are kicked out or not allowed to move in, could there not be a 'matching' among the Single ward members, with local kids perhaps being able to persuade Mom/Dad, Aunts/Uncles etc. to take in one or two of their friends/family home evening members?

Also, the Stake Presidency/Bishopric could request members in their family wards to volunteer to help out for a few days by putting up some of these kids and getting them out of their cars or campsites up the canyon. (Shudder to think of some of the dangerous consequences of this!)

If this is too much work for the Bishopric - another suggestion - call a specialist for a short period of time?

Even between semesters these students are members of their ward, and should be able to ask their leaders for suggestions or assistance.

Homeless in Provo | 10:48 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I am one of those homeless BYU students and have been for the past four days and will be until the end of the month. My complaints are primarily with the landlords and the university. I've lived in enough apartments to know that very little cleaning is done in that 7 day period. I also know that BYU has a a big enough pull in the housing department to make apartments be more helpful, especially when it comes to the safety and well being of the students. Education week only makes things worse. It seems to me that the university is turning a blind eye to their greatest responsibilities, their students.

problemsolver | 10:57 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Well, I happen to know what actually happens in this situation, having recently been an actual BYU student. It is this: move out late, move in early, crash on your friend's couch, whatever. In other words, if the landlords are going to band together to make it difficult for us, we're going to squat like it's our job. If there's a problem, the landlords will have to fix it. Until then, have fun hunting squatters (there are way more of us than there are of you).

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Allison | 11:01 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

My husband and I live in Provo, he is still a student and I just graduated. We would be MORE than happy to have any students stay at our home during the time needed. I have a gmail account and the username is allison.m.clarke. Good luck! I agree that BYU needs to straighten some things out.

m o n e y | 11:12 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Gear S. is absolutely correct.

When a church becomes a corporation, with billion-dollar investments, it's time to look at what *really* drives the church.

GB | 11:17 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

This article surprised me. When I attended BYU (graduated six years ago), I stayed in Provo for a few summers rather than moving back home for the summer, and I never ran into this problem. So apparently some landlords don't impose this gap on their tenants.

Since BYU can decide what the residential living standards are, it seems like BYU could fix this problem if they really wanted to. I'm not sure there's really a reason for them to step in though. This is a problem that is easily avoided with a little planning and contract-reading. I think the market can work this one out without BYU's involvement.

A few commenters have criticized the BYU housing policies. I'm a huge supporter of them though. They really make the BYU experience wonderful because they ensure a healthy living environment. Also, the few times I had problems with my landlords, I found the mediation process to be fine. Landlords don't want to be on the BYU housing office's bad side.

"Poor" College Students | 11:27 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Just paying your dues.

I spent my second year in college living out of my car and eating cold Top Ramen.

Hang in there...

It's worth it.

BYU "super" senior | 11:40 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Several people have commented something to the effect that BYU students are "babies," and they should just plan ahead for the housing ï¿½gap.ï¿½

While this may be true in many cases, it is nevertheless a fact that some students simply do not know anyone with whom they can stay. I can think of several shy international students who fit this description. I wonder where they stayed during the "gap" . . . .

And to those who mock the fact that this topic is even being discussed, why don't YOU go spend hundreds of dollars on a hotel room (or sleep on someone's couch) for two weeks while an apartment that you've **already paid for** sits empty.

Why is it empty? So they can clean it? In my 5 years in BYU off-campus housing I have only seen cleaning take place ONE time during the "gap." They cleaned the carpet, which is something very frequently done in occupied apartments.

How can I say what cleaning has been done during the "gap"? Because, come that time of year, I simply don't move out. I'm not going to let some apartment manager force me into homelessness until they send the cops.

Yearlong contracts=more tuition | 11:48 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Has BYU enrollment during Spring-Summer gone up since year-long contracts have been required by landlords?

If so, why would BYU want to argue against increased campus usage through the summer? They could always say, "it will help the students graduate sooner, thus creating more available housing over the long run"

Be Adults | 11:52 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I am always clear to my renters that if they need a place to stay, we'll work something out. I've had students cover their belongings with tarps so they were protected from paint, etc.

BYU doesn't need to "protect" the students. The students need to stop crying for "protection" and talk to their landlords/managers like they are adults.

Students -- Take responsibility and stop waiting for BYU to solve your problems. Grow up and work things out with your landlords on your own. You solve them. Landlords really aren't the greedy people you make them out to be. They are humans -- trying to run a business.

BYU, student wards and the Church can't solve everything. Let the market take care of this problem.

If you can't figure out something, I happen to know of a hotel in AF that rents on a weekly basis for a price similar to student apartments.

Anonymous | 12:07 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Come on Students, Take some responsibility and find other arrangements before you become homeless. You know ahead of time that you are going to have to move out for 2 weeks. My sister is in the same situation, but I dont see her crying about it.

That is what is wrong with this younger gerneration. No one wants to take responisbility for themselves. People say "BYU needs to do something about it." I say be a responsible adult and make plans more then 1 week in advance for this problem you face. You know you are going to face it. How about you all grow up a bit and deal with real life for a few weeks. Maybe if you are homeless it will give you an appreciation for those that arem't fortunate enough to be going to a university and getting an education to better their lives.
Deal with it!!!

Anonymous | 12:12 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

My other siblings all wanted to attend BYU and did. Arizona State University was more suited to my tastes and I could live where ever I wanted.

It does sound like BYU could use some refinement in there single housing policys and contract lengths. If you sign a one year or multi year contract you get a better deal and should not have to move out for cleaning. If you sign a six month contract you have to pay a higher rent and have some extra time before and after semester for move in and out.

It does not sound like this should be a really big deal just some common sense for both sides of those effected. If BYU would rotate when buildings are due for maintance then the shortage of people that provide this service would not all be booked in a two week period. Simple to fix.

Anti-PC Infidel | 12:18 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Waaaaaa! Somebody take care of meeeeee!

Cosmo | 12:25 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Before you advise people to get help, consider this - when was the last time you saw an article like this about the U of U??????

Jon | 12:28 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Quit moving apartments every year and you won't have this problem. I never had to find somewhere to stay because none of the complexes I lived in made you move out of your apartment if you were staying in it during the fall.

Supply and Demand | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Let's face it. Since BYU narrowed the area for approved housing, the demand outstrips the supply. The increase in rents is easily reflecting this. While rents have increased, Utah Valley's notorious low wages have not!

BYU requires its students to be in BYU approved housing, but my question is, does anyone from the BYU housing department EVER inspect the units that agree to require their tenants to sign the contract?
I have seen some awful places offered. Many do not even appear to be safe especially with electrical and plumbing problems.

It has been mentioned that there is a 'mediation' process after tenants complain to BYU about their landlords or tenants. Has there ever been an improvement in living conditions as a result of the mediation? If you have had experience with this, I would like to hear about it.

Finally, many students are not from the area, and know no one here until they move in. Often they make long-distance arrangements to move into a place sight unseen, assuming because it is BYU approved it will be a great place to live. Once the contract is signed you are stuck with the aparment/roommates unless you can sell it.

parent | 12:47 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

This definitely is a BYU housing problem. The requirement to live in BYU approved housing makes it their problem. My daughter decided to go on a mission and informed her landlord immediately. However when her call came it was only 100 days to when she need to leave. Because she did not give 120 days notice, she had to pay rent and lose her deposit. She could not continue at her job because she graduated and could no longer work for BYU. My other daughter had a landlord "forget to send her large deposit" She went to housing and it was finally resolved 4 years later, without any follow through from BYU. Finally we used an attorney and the money magically appeared with an apology. If housing would work as it is supposed to this wouldn't happen. PLEASE LOOK AT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND MAKE IT WORK!!!!!

Susan | 12:53 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

When I lived in student housing our landlord was smart about the process. Spring/Summer the facility had vacancies. They moved everyone into a vacancy. Cleaned and maintained the empty apartments, then moved everyone back. It was a juggling act but worked. I always had a place to live and since I didn't own much it wasn't to tough to move that often. It was a pain but was doable. It would take some organization on the part of the landlords but they could do it.

Opportunity Knocks | 1:02 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Sounds like a good business opportunity. We have the problem definedï¿½now who will take advantage and provide the solution. I think of several approaches. If I lived in the area I would be all over this. Particularly if I were already a landlord.

CougarKeith | 1:00 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

If the problem can be addressed by the University, it should be, it is that simple. Sometimes when you leave things to college administrators, and college graduates you don't always get brainiac results! I know a lot of situations where a college degree hasn't shown a lick of sense in solving anything, but give me a person with COMMON SENSE and a half a brain and he/she can figure it out without to much of a problem. This shouldn't be an ongoing problem at all. See a problem, address the problem, fix the problem, problem solved.... End result, no more homeless students. There should be a Mandatory Move IN date before school starts (With a Buffer) and a mandatory Move Out date (With a Buffer) no excuses. If you want to be on the "Approved Housing" list make it work or rent to other people besides students end of discussion.

Anonymous | 1:06 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

This has been in place for years, nothing new here. Read your contract; you have plenty of time to make arrangements. Quit expecting entities to take care of you and take care of yourself. We've raised a generation of whiners who now expect everyone to take care of everything in their lives and accept no responsibility for caring for themselves. If you're at college, you're an adult; think and act like one.

CougParent | 1:20 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

A couple observations:
*staying in a hotel violtaes the housing policy (co-ed building)
*The last two years I've dropped off my daughter in off-campus housing/apts (no, not "early") no cleaning had been done and she had to do it or wait addt'l DAYS to have it done.
*If you extend the kind of logic that creates the artificial housing shortage for BYU students (but not for the flood of UVU, Cosmetology Students etc that want to be in BYU neighborhoods), then: JUST MAKE HOMELESSNESS/SLEEPING IN YOUR CAR A HOUSING VIOLATION! Actually, it is when school's in session but technically not between semesters, I believe. So, BYU Housing, close that loophole and problem solved!

Disgruntled Mover | 1:51 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

People are taking care of themselves. But being kicked out early of an apartment to have them "cleaned" or to house Education Week guests is ridiculous.

I was kicked out on the 15th, had to move my stuff (I lived in an unfurnished apartment, so I had to move beds, desks, tvs, etc.) to my house, and two weeks from now, move it all over again. Of course I was aware that I had to move out from the beginning, and talked to my landlord about extending a few days, but was refused. Doing this every year isn't easy.

I also had a white glove cleaning check. I was on my hands and knees scrubbing the 30 year old stained tile and bathtub for hours, they will still take my deposit, and pay another cleaning crew to clean it again. The apartment was filthy when I moved in, and left it better than I found it.

It is just annoying to move several loads of belongings, live out of a suit case, then move back in, during finals week, working full time. It probably takes 1 day to clean those apartments, why are we kicked out 2 weeks early?

Anonymous | 1:58 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

"Before you advise people to get help, consider this - when was the last time you saw an article like this about the U of U??????"

The vast majority of single students at the U commute. The very few single students who don't commute live in a much larger city with more housing options. The U doesn't set housing standards so the U isn't involved with where students live, except for those living on campus.

So, of course, you'll never see an article like this about the U.

Housing Standards? | 2:24 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Exactly what are the housing standards for BYU approved housing? Some of the places I have seen when checking them out as a parent are appalling. Seems to be only that the landlord agrees to have the student sign the honor code, and the student agrees to abide by the honor code! Am I wrong? Two out of three years when my student checked in NO cleaning had been done. Each time he checked out he had to pass a checkout test, as did his roommates - so the apartment was apparently clean enough for the landlord/managers and minimal cleaning should have been necessary - definitely cleaning carpets should be done. As far as furnished apartments - ugh - some of the mattresses etc. were disgusting. Shouldn't they be cleaned annually and/or replaced if necessary?

Renting to BYU students is a huge moneymaker. Some of these places have 4-6 students sharing 2 or more rooms with 2 bathrooms, and each student pays $360-380 per month. Basement apartments at $650+, etc.

Great investment opportunities if you can manage it!

No Flexibility cont. cont. | 2:26 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

To Apt Manager:

I actually am living on the Provo lake with my huge expensive yacht sipping Martinelli's and laughing at all of the other poor students who are homeless. Jk Jk. Yes some students have posh cars and fancy toys, but your argument is very flawed because you put all of us into once bunch. Not all of us have those things or live on Mommy and Daddy's $$. So just because some of us are rich, put us all in one group and the less fortunate ones get punished? What a funny, biased argument!

For those students working full time, finishing finals, doing other activities - it is more than an annoyance. If we take days off of work to make "other arrangements" we lose money and then go spend money that we don't have to either put it in storage for two weeks (when you have to pay a month) or stay in a hotel. I am currently studying for the LSAT 20 hours a week and working full time. So, I am squatting in my old apartment till I can move into my new place.

No Flexibility cont. cont. con. | 2:42 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I am not saying that all Landlords are heartless - some of mine in the past have been very flexible. However, as a current squatter I had my roommate call and find out when the cleaning and maintenance is going to take place. It isn't even taking place during the so called "maintenance" period, but rather in September AFTER "everyone is settled."

The system is broken - I am not expecting anyone to do anything for me, but some help would be nice. From BYU, from friends nice enough in the area (which as many comments here show really DO exist), from landlords not just looking to "run a business". Last time I checked good business ethics include some level of sympathy and empathy right?

Many students do plan ahead and actually do read their contracts. They just plan ahead and don't follow the rules. If we don't get help then expect stuffed co-ed hotel rooms and apartments, campers in the canyon, and squatters like me saving money, time and energy by making "other arrangements."

BYU mom | 2:57 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

To anonymous, Sadly, most landlords and/or management companies do not clean, paint and make repairs to the apartments. Both of my daughters moved into filthy apartments on more than one occasion and were promised that the repairs, painting and cleaning would eventually get done, but it rarely ever did. They were also given the option to do the cleaning themselves and then have some money taken off their rent. Once they did the cleaning, the management did not live up to their end of that bargain. The landlords require quite hefty cleaning deposits, but obviously don't use that money where it should be used. I love BYU, but the Off-Campus housing department needs to enforce their policies with those landlords who have BYU approved status because these landlords are really taking advantage of BYU students! The change in the distance non-married students can live away from campus is also going to allow landlords to take further advantage of those students. Someone (BYU Off Campus Housing) needs to get on the ball and do something about the messy situation!

awesomeron | 3:12 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Living in your Car or where ever is not in anyway conducive to your Moral or Spiritual Growth. Being you cannot be the Platonic Roommate of a person of the opposite gender, makes things even harder. If the School wants people to meet the Moral Expectations, that they have for singles, they must provide the way. I see the simple answer as starting school a week alter. The Y's do not do spring break so that would move Graduation up a week to where the others are. You cannot just say you have a problem and not at least attempt to solve the problem. The reason for Meeting is to Discuss and Solve and then apply the solutions, not just to have meetings.

Hello | 3:19 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

The point of this article is unprepared students who willingly sign contracts with the terms spelled out. The point is not that housing operators should be told how to run their businesses. The point is not that BYU should change its housing requirements. BYU holds no authority over where the students live when school is not in session. Aren't students adults by time they attend college? Sheesh, grow up.

Many students leave at the end of Spring term and do not return to classes until Fall. They manage to find places to stay for several months. Same principle for the rest of the students for a shorter duration.

Some enterprising student could probably compile a list of local homes with rooms available for the break periods and broker them for a small fee for the work of doing the research other students seem unwilling to do. An alumni association or students union could do the same thing for free. They probably do.

If my student couldn't figure this out with or without my help, I'd have serious concerns about whether he or she should even be in college.

Dave in Midvale | 3:31 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

TO: "John"

To quote you:

"If your smart enough to go to BYU you should be smart enough to figure this one out."

The spirit here is TRUE your grammar is not. . . it's you're, not your.

Go BACK to school, maybe even BYU.

Ryan | 4:55 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I'm also one of those "homeless" students. Actually, I'm staying with my parents in American Fork so I'm not really homeless. However, I think an independent student organization needs to be formed to combat landlords and silly policies by BYU. I still have not heard one good reason why BYU will only allow apartments within a 2 mile radius of campus be BYU approved. That policy would definitely violate our rights and liberties if it weren't for the high-paid BYU lawyers. This ridiculous policy drives up demand for apartments close to campus which in turn drives up rent.

sccbengal | 4:58 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

BYU's housing situation is an absolute joke. I just graduated and I am so glad I don't have to deal with the ridiculous fiasco anymore. Provo landlords and BYU Housing officials want the money and their agendas to be met and students suffer underneath. This really is the tip of the iceberg of housing issues down there but nothing is ever going to change. Students will just have to pay through the nose to those leeches called Landlords, get thier education, and get out of that city as fast as you can.

to BYU *super* senior | 5:05 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

It's easy to see why you are a *super* senior. Your logic is dumbfounding. It is not "your" apartment and you have NOT paid for it if the gap dates are disclosed and you signed the lease. Most people know they have to pay for their night's lodging. Everyone does it. Stop whining about paying for hotel fees or whatever. If you didn't want to figure out housing you could have stayed local to your parents' home and lived there. This is real life. Get used to it.

to parent | 5:10 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Your daughter could have easily replied to her mission call that she was not able to leave for four months rather than the 100 days. Or alternately she could have given 120 days notice even if she was gone as that apparently would have cost less than losing the deposit.

Again, we are responsible for ourselves and deserve what we get if we don't take care of matters ourselves. Four years is a long time to wait to get satisfaction on a broken contract.

BYU Student | 5:11 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I have heard people say stop complaining, work something out with the landlords, I lived at Alpine Village, one of the new BYU chartered housing (considered on campus housing) Alpine Village told all the tenants that if they were not moved out by Saturday the 16th the entire security deposit would be fortified.
So they force the students to move out, or lose over $480 for the security deposit and the half month rent they owe us for having to move out in the middle of the month.

BYU turns a blind eye when it comes to protecting the rights of the students in housing. They have a heavy hand in playing big brother when it comes to standards, but they could care less when their students are taken advantage of.

BYU Mom | 5:17 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

This has been happening for too long. It is time BYU does away with their honor code. It is laughable at best. The students sign an honor code while the real estate owners have no such honor code. They take advantage of students at a level that is equal to a third world nation. I have a niece currently living in a house infested with bugs and spiders and my daughter just spent a semester without adequate running water in her kitchen.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being ignorant and young. Elders are to be respected they're taught. Well, they're learning exactly how BYU would want them to treat others when they have the opportunity. It is a disgrace.

Ryan | 5:17 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

BYU's housing policy would be violating student's rights if it weren't for their high-paid attorneys. There needs to be an independent BYU student organization that pressures the school to come up with better policies for the students. Two years ago a new BYU housing policy stated that only apartments within the 2 mile radius of BYU would be permitted to be BYU approved housing. This has driven up the demand for apartments closer to campus which has caused for more problems like the ones we read in this article as well as higher rent.

wrong venue | 5:19 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

This article should have been published in the Daily Universe or the Daily Herald. Let the "problem" be discussed in the affected community.

It's embarrassing to the rest of us to be exposed to the irresponsible, whining attitude of supposedly adult students, and even some of their parents. You should hope potential employers don't get wind of your mindset, they just may skip recruiting from your school.

I was in the same situation... | 5:51 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

15 years ago. I moved out to Provo, with all of my family back east, and my apartment wasn't available to me when I got there. My room was supposed to be ready, but the apartment complex gave it away to another girl. I was homeless for 6 days because of that. I spent 2 days with strangers I felt uncomfortable with, 2 days in a roach motel with a window that wouldn't lock, and 2 days with an ex-boyfriend and his roommates. That was a really safe environment for a 19-year-old girl, huh?

Nelson | 6:22 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Why does BYU need to be in the business of approving housing for students at all? It's a waste of time and money. Students, with their families' guidance, should be able to choose their own housing without university interference. I am a BYU grad and appreciated my education, but this policy is overbearing.

To: No Flexibility | 6:35 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

We live in Springville and have a spare room. I have a gmail account and the username is: stefteller. Waiting to hear from you or someone else.

steve | 6:51 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I have an idea. Just don't go to BYU!

What a Joke | 6:59 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I think that stinks , that Provo charges the BYU Students so much for rent, It is outrageous in what they charge, They can charge $120.00 in the Spring & Summer months, & when it comes fall they always charge higher like $300.00 Most students can not afford to pay the high prices of college housing so they put them out on the streets, What is the deal with that? Get Real and lets figure this out.

Goood Job | 7:05 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I want to thank whoever wrote the article In Springville, I really think that if the General Public can help they should, Good Job to whoever you are in Springville that wrote the article 8:30 am

Carlos | 10:30 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

Quit whining! BYU is the cheapest good education that money can buy. Get a hotel. Look at the lease and notice the dates. Then, get your reservation in early. The Hotel Roberts still in biz? I think the reason most non-Utah LDS dislike BYU is because the whining students are always griping. Hey, you are using out tithing money and once we pay it, we don't care where it goes, but nobody forces you to go to BYU. If it is a problem, enroll at the U or some other second-rate school.

Buick LeSabre '95 w/ mini fridge | 10:39 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

I'm a "homeless student" but it's not THAT big of a deal. It's a problem that needs to be addressed but it's something that BYU gets complaints about every year. The University is actually pretty nice about dealing with the problem. I think from The University's stand point the only thing that they should feel responsible enough to do is perhaps stop student-campus jobs for those 2 weeks in between semesters.
That way we can spend that time looking for cars with comfortable and spacious back seats.

Know your LEGAL RIGHTS | 11:19 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

1) A landlord can not charge you a cleaning fee for normal wear and tear. ( Dusty blinds - no fee, broken blinds - there is a charge. Water stain on carpet - no fee pet stain there is a fee, Nail hole from hanging up grandmother's picture no fee, hole because you had a temper tantrum and had to hit something yep that is chargable. look up tenents legal rights on line it will give you insight as to what a landlord can and can't do.

2) If you break your lease the landlord can only charge you rent for the period of time the apartment is vacant(Rent $300 a month? = $10 per day) I have seen one landlord keep not only the security deposit but demand an additional $550 on top of it for breaking a lease.

Arm yourself with knowledge for knowledge is POWER.

BYU "super" senior | 11:45 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008

All you whining students and parents, you disgust me.

Grow up! As many wise comment-posters have already implied, an ï¿½adultï¿½ would never point out problems or try to fix them. They should just come up with one-time quick-fixes, and above all they should never address the root problem (see 12:07pm, Aug20). Stop suggesting that someone try to improve the housing situation. Be mature and adult-like and never try to improve anything! Whining, crying babies, all of you!

Seriously, I am sick of all these comments suggesting that something be done to fix the problem! What problem? There is nothing wrong with 19 year old girls sleeping hundreds of miles from home in empty parking lots and in strangersï¿½ houses! (see 5:51pm, Aug20) Besides, that should never have to happen in the first place because, as a fellow genius implied, every BYU studentï¿½s parents live locally! (And, apparently, everyone who earns multiple degrees is an idiot, see 5:05pm, Aug20) Duh!

And what irks me the most is the irritating complaints now likely being received by the people in charge of BYU housing. Why should they have to bother themselves helping BYU students? Itï¿½s not like itï¿½s their job!

Lame | 2:51 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008

What lame person feels that a university is responsible for finding him housing for a few days? Especially when they had four months advance notice? Failure on your part to plan does not constitute an emergency on my part.

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