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To Anonymous | 7:05 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Oh please, by what authority is she sealed to warren jeffs. NO AUTHORITY!!!!
Sorry, those marriages won't be recongnized in the after life. They are a
sham and pedophilia, that is that. period! And she is 12 years old for heavens
sakes! If she thought she was supposed to be sealed to jeffs, she was
brainwashed of her own free will.
Anonymous | 8:08 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Religion, is there anything it cant convince a willing mind to do? From marriage
at 12 to flying planes into skyscrapers, religion has it all. All in the name of
an unseen 'god' that loves us so much that he left no evidence of his
existence. If you dont think that 'god' would force a 12 year old to
marry an old man, you havent read the old testament. That god was a real jerk.
The story of Job is my favorite.
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Cats | 8:14 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
To Anonymous: The name "Mormon" is trademarked by the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. These people can call themselves
"Mormons" all they want to. They are not.
I could go around calling myself a Catholic since I am also a Christian, but I am not and have no right to call myself that.
The FLDS are apostates from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. They were lead by men with big egos who didn't have the faith or humility to follow a TRUE prophet and instead went off on their own to do whatever they wanted to. Unfortunately, they have pulled a lot of good and innocent people with them into a state of de-facto bondage.
Warren Jeffs, (in his desperate state of dispair and realization of what he has done) has now admitted, publicly on tape that he is a FALSE prophet and one of the MOST WICKED men of this dispensation. One of their leaders has FINALLY told the truth. Of course, he spent so many years lying, why should anyone believe him now--but I hope they finally will.
GO TEXAS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
I could go around calling myself a Catholic since I am also a Christian, but I am not and have no right to call myself that.
The FLDS are apostates from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. They were lead by men with big egos who didn't have the faith or humility to follow a TRUE prophet and instead went off on their own to do whatever they wanted to. Unfortunately, they have pulled a lot of good and innocent people with them into a state of de-facto bondage.
Warren Jeffs, (in his desperate state of dispair and realization of what he has done) has now admitted, publicly on tape that he is a FALSE prophet and one of the MOST WICKED men of this dispensation. One of their leaders has FINALLY told the truth. Of course, he spent so many years lying, why should anyone believe him now--but I hope they finally will.
GO TEXAS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
get it | 8:16 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
For those of you that don't "get" it yet. Why was Taiwan listed
as "chinese Taipai" on my television set? While I understand that the
Chinese government might want to censor their own citizens, why was that same
censoring allowed here?
realitycheck | 8:47 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
re anonymous 4:39am:
r u kidding? not forced? 12 years of brainwashing is force, in case you didn't know.
r u kidding? not forced? 12 years of brainwashing is force, in case you didn't know.
WBM5 | 9:14 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
I wish I could put on a simple dress and wear my long hair pulled up in an ugly
hair do and get all you bleeding hearts to believe me everytime I do something
wrong.
I could take advantage of you just like they are taking advantage of the children. And I should be able to get away with it!
also, I have a 15 year old daughter and she is a little girl still. She thinks at times she isn't but she is. she is my little girl and I will protect her from beasts of all sorts because that is my job. she won't be going on dates with a boy until she is older. she can group date when she is 16. She isn't kissing any man except her father and that will be a proper daughter-father kiss. She won't be getting married anytime soon and if I have my way it won't be until after college. but by then she will be an adult and can choose for herself. Not as a 12 year old with a brain that is not fully developed because 12yo's are children!
I could take advantage of you just like they are taking advantage of the children. And I should be able to get away with it!
also, I have a 15 year old daughter and she is a little girl still. She thinks at times she isn't but she is. she is my little girl and I will protect her from beasts of all sorts because that is my job. she won't be going on dates with a boy until she is older. she can group date when she is 16. She isn't kissing any man except her father and that will be a proper daughter-father kiss. She won't be getting married anytime soon and if I have my way it won't be until after college. but by then she will be an adult and can choose for herself. Not as a 12 year old with a brain that is not fully developed because 12yo's are children!
To cats | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
The FLDS live far more like the original Mormons than you and yours. I do find
it funny when you compare prophets. Men pretending to talk to god is all any of
you have. David Korech (sp) said he was Jesus, does that make it true? Or does
it only become true if YOU have a 'feeling'?
ALL RELIGIONS ARE TOTALLY FALSE! All were made up so some big ego could gain power. Even yours, whatever that may be.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE TOTALLY FALSE! All were made up so some big ego could gain power. Even yours, whatever that may be.
getreal | 10:06 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Interesting....Jessop's child is returned to state custody, and all of a
sudden the other families want to settle for what the state was asking of them
in the first place. And the grand jury meets again tomorrow in TX. Maybe the
FLDS have figured out that they live in the real world where the law applies to
everyone.
Franz | 10:15 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Please Help Me?: Read Carolyn's book. It is difficult for most people to
fathom how abusive the situation is with the FLDS. Admittedly, Carolyn Jessop
perhaps paints herself in a positive light, but even if only half of what she
says is true, it is very disturbing. It is clear that every child in the FLDS is
in danger of abuse. Abuse is an integral part of the FLDS way of life. There is
no similarity in any way between the FLDS Church and the LDS church. In theory
they are Christians, but in reality they do not follow Christ in any way. If a
woman or child is abused it is because they are out of harmony with the
priesthood head and therefore the abuse is justified. As for being Mormons, they
chose to base their entire belief system on one aspect that is no longer
practiced by the LDS Church - polygamy. Other than that they do not follow LDS
(Mormon) teachings in most aspects including teachings which were part of the
Mormon Church prior to their cutting themselves off.
tsmid | 10:26 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Nosugrof: Barbara Jessop wasn�t FORCED to plead the 5th.
Why wouldn�t Barbara tell the TRUTH? Did she have
something to hide? If FLDS children run when the doorbell rings its because
their parents taught them to do so. IF their parents had cooperated with the
initial requests to interview a few girls about underage marriages, cps would
never have taken all the children. The FLDS need to learn to answer the door,
return phone calls and stop acting like they are above the law.
Willie can call the ruling barbaric if he wants too, but rational people see that it is the FLDS practices that are barbaric.
Does it really matter if the marriage was consummated right away? This girl has been treated like property. At 12 years old she would not be capable of choosing a husband and committing to marriage. She was �given� to this pervert because it increased the social standing of her Mother and Father. Is that really how we treat children in our country? We, the people, want that to be o.k.?
Go Texas!
Willie can call the ruling barbaric if he wants too, but rational people see that it is the FLDS practices that are barbaric.
Does it really matter if the marriage was consummated right away? This girl has been treated like property. At 12 years old she would not be capable of choosing a husband and committing to marriage. She was �given� to this pervert because it increased the social standing of her Mother and Father. Is that really how we treat children in our country? We, the people, want that to be o.k.?
Go Texas!
GO TEXAS!!! | 10:57 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Not only Texas but the other "broken wings" of this group I hope are
getting a heads up here. I'm so glad they removed that child from
Barbara's clutches. Law's need to be inforced, IF YOU DO THE CRIME,
PAY THE TIME, that goes for some of these Keep Sweet women too. My opinion, they
aren't any where near being Mormons, their a CULT, leading a group of
brainwashed people. Now they can have there day in court.
Cat's your e mails are great, keep the TRUTH out there!!
Cat's your e mails are great, keep the TRUTH out there!!
re - tsmid 10:26am | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
if you think about it, she was probably forced to plead the 5th. She had
pressure from church leadership and has been trained to obey.
If you look at the picture as she leaves the courthouse (above), you can see she is smiling. That's because she was able to do what the leadership asked and not say anything. She's much more concerned with keeping the church leaders happy than she is with her daughter. (Obviously, or she wouldn't have stood by while a 50 yr old man married and then stuck his tongue down her 12 yr old daughter's throat.)
If you look at the picture as she leaves the courthouse (above), you can see she is smiling. That's because she was able to do what the leadership asked and not say anything. She's much more concerned with keeping the church leaders happy than she is with her daughter. (Obviously, or she wouldn't have stood by while a 50 yr old man married and then stuck his tongue down her 12 yr old daughter's throat.)
Cats | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
To: To Cats: I sure do feel sorry for you.
To Franz: You may be sincere, but your understanding and knowledge about the LDS Church is completely mistaken. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints are CHRISTIANS. Christ is the center of our lives and anyone, who truly knows us, knows that this is a fact.
LDS are nothing like FLDS. The FLDS live a counterfeit version of what they fantisize the LDS Church was like before 1890. The LDS Church has never based itself on Polygamy. It was never, at any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that polygamy was necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, it is taught in the Book of Mormon that it is never to be practiced unless it is commanded by GOD. Polygamy in the LDS Church was only incidental at the time and was practiced for a number of reasons which I don't have space for. Sufficient to say, it was discontinued in 1890 because it had fulfilled it's purpose.
I agree with you, Carolyn Jessop's book is excellent. So is Elissa Wall's book. I recommend them both to everyone.
To Franz: You may be sincere, but your understanding and knowledge about the LDS Church is completely mistaken. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints are CHRISTIANS. Christ is the center of our lives and anyone, who truly knows us, knows that this is a fact.
LDS are nothing like FLDS. The FLDS live a counterfeit version of what they fantisize the LDS Church was like before 1890. The LDS Church has never based itself on Polygamy. It was never, at any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that polygamy was necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom. In fact, it is taught in the Book of Mormon that it is never to be practiced unless it is commanded by GOD. Polygamy in the LDS Church was only incidental at the time and was practiced for a number of reasons which I don't have space for. Sufficient to say, it was discontinued in 1890 because it had fulfilled it's purpose.
I agree with you, Carolyn Jessop's book is excellent. So is Elissa Wall's book. I recommend them both to everyone.
Cats | 11:13 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Franz: You know, I re-read your blog. I think I misunderstood you. I
apologize. You were not saying LDS aren't Christians. You were lamenting
the practices of the FLDS. I can see that now.
In any case, everything else I said is accurate.
In any case, everything else I said is accurate.
GO TEXAS | 11:44 a.m. Aug. 20, 2008
TO CLAIRE
flds supports itself with working these children and young boys for little wages.
They I hear banish them for slight things and are told to repent from afar.. HOWS that for cleaning house!!!! The now Lost Boys according to Carolyn and Walls.
What's Willie and them have to say on no schooling for the past couple years, or do they lie on that subject also, and why no animals?? Did one bite Warren Jeff's or what.. I mean carrying things a little far aren't they???? I'll never understand their MINDSET.. and it ain't sweet!!
Go Texas, go H. Reid, about time something was done.
flds supports itself with working these children and young boys for little wages.
They I hear banish them for slight things and are told to repent from afar.. HOWS that for cleaning house!!!! The now Lost Boys according to Carolyn and Walls.
What's Willie and them have to say on no schooling for the past couple years, or do they lie on that subject also, and why no animals?? Did one bite Warren Jeff's or what.. I mean carrying things a little far aren't they???? I'll never understand their MINDSET.. and it ain't sweet!!
Go Texas, go H. Reid, about time something was done.
Anonymous | 12:03 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
One of your brides ends up in foster care. Sounds like the second part of one of
Jeff Foxworthys' 'you might be a redneck if...' routines.
Jay | 12:05 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
You know what gets me? These people are the fundamental segment of the Mormons.
They have the same book, most all the same beliefs about heaven, etc. No other
religious group follows Joseph Smith and his revelations and book. The current
modern Mormons of today have decided to abandon what their "prophet"
taught about polygamy. These FLDS people do not, but are sticking to the old
beliefs. But do the Mormons show support and care of these people and what they
are going through? They seem to be going out of their way to make sure no one
thinks they are like them. They are MORE like them than another other group is.
With the size and wealth of the Mormons today, it would sure seem like they
could reach out and help these "relatives" during a time when FLDS
leadership is appearing corrupt and cowardly anyway. The mothers and fathers
who have been brave enough to speak out and answer as best they could just dont
seem like evil people at all. They appear to be quiet, sincere, peaceful people
and they need to be respected and helped. Foster care for that 14 yr. old girl?
God help her.
Anonymous | 1:11 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
How can they be labeled "Fundamentalist" Mormons? The only
"Fundamentalist" thing about them is the "Fun" in being sick
enough to have sex with a 12-14 year old girl when you are a male in your
50's right? How much FUN is that when your a little girl shaded from the
worldliness of the sexist world and you don't even know what sex is and
your thrown in bed naked with a wrinkly old man? Pretty scary!!! Then you have
the "Da", well that part is true, they are pretty stupid believing
this is what the ORIGINAL Mormons did. "Mental", you bet they are,
Mental cases to beat on their rebellious boys and kick them out into the cold
cruel world and consider them LOST SOULS! Is that a true teaching of Jesus
Christ? I think not! They are Not "Fun" they are "Da" and
"Mental" so I think after President Hinckley's pronouncement from
the pulpit that there are NO FUNDAMENTALIST MORMONS that we should rename them
"Duh-MentalCasalist Mormons" and move forward from there, but then we
are being judgemental. So lets just label them Our Loved (But Deranged) black
sheep cousins who preach bad things Mormons. Hows that?
re Jay | 1:37 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
foster care beats living in FLDS isolation and having to marry a 50 yr old
pedophile. You don't get that?
quiet, sincere, and peacful people? yup - they pimp out 12 yr olds and are so incapable of raising decent children in the real world that they have to hide everything from them.
maybe quiet, sincere, and peacful, but also pretty warped, and totally incompetent parents.
quiet, sincere, and peacful people? yup - they pimp out 12 yr olds and are so incapable of raising decent children in the real world that they have to hide everything from them.
maybe quiet, sincere, and peacful, but also pretty warped, and totally incompetent parents.
tigerlily | 2:06 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
to cats::: The LDS Church has never based itself on Polygamy. It was never, at
any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that polygamy was
necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom.
this statement of yours is incorrect.
i believe that polygamy was started as a test to see if joseph would obey gods commands and it took him a while but he obeyed. it was also started to protect widows and ophaned children.
this statement of yours is incorrect.
i believe that polygamy was started as a test to see if joseph would obey gods commands and it took him a while but he obeyed. it was also started to protect widows and ophaned children.
Jay | 2:09 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
It is that VERY KIND of comment about their "kin" (claim them or not)
that makes me wonder about a persons religion. If what we claim to believe
produces such judgemental and mercy lacking attitudes, I think we need to look
deep within.
Nghtingale | 2:13 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Claire, they do remove the "excess" boys... they disposess them and
banish them. You're absolutely right about them breeding criminals...
anyone who doesn't believe that following the laws of the country, more
frighteningly to be able to do whatever they want to, sexually, or otherhwise to
children...those poor children.
How can anyone still be in support of these people? Of sustaining the laws needed to protect ALL of us, yes, of making sure that the judges and lawyers follow the laws and regulations there to protect our citezens, yes... but to support and sustain any leadership of ANy religion or organization who deems disobedience or disregard for the law, and to continually increase control and secrecy of their society... it is so wrong. Those trying to pretend to be, uh, average citezens who are FLDS and hiding out here trying to drum up support, it just shows more how irrationally you have been taught, to hide in plain sight and try to subvert logical thinking. These poor children, being brainwashed from birth. No wonder I was persecuted in public school for being Mormon- THIS is what foks in the South think real Mormons are like, sadly.
How can anyone still be in support of these people? Of sustaining the laws needed to protect ALL of us, yes, of making sure that the judges and lawyers follow the laws and regulations there to protect our citezens, yes... but to support and sustain any leadership of ANy religion or organization who deems disobedience or disregard for the law, and to continually increase control and secrecy of their society... it is so wrong. Those trying to pretend to be, uh, average citezens who are FLDS and hiding out here trying to drum up support, it just shows more how irrationally you have been taught, to hide in plain sight and try to subvert logical thinking. These poor children, being brainwashed from birth. No wonder I was persecuted in public school for being Mormon- THIS is what foks in the South think real Mormons are like, sadly.
realitycheck | 2:16 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
I guess a lot of posters are either FLDS or LDS. Not sure why you LDS people
want to butt heads with FLDS since you're all mormons, but I guess the FLDS
is a pretty embarrassing splinter group. I wouldn't want to be associated
with them either.
I don't think polygamy is even what the LDS are embarrassed about FLDS. I think it's the whole underage marriage thing and the fact that they hide from, and are afraid of, the world. If a polygamist FLDS family lived right next door to an LDS family, and didn't flaunt it by wearing ridiculous clothing, etc - then I don't think it would matter to anyone, especially the LDS family. At least then you could all get together and pray from the same handbook.
The whole isolationism, old-school clothes, etc is simply the FLDS way of drawing attention to themselves. And a way to keep the practitioners in line.
None of which is fair to children, who will grow up to be afraid of the world, and never get anywhere.
This girl, and many other FLDS children, belong with loving families that will give them opportunities in life, not isolation and fear.
I don't think polygamy is even what the LDS are embarrassed about FLDS. I think it's the whole underage marriage thing and the fact that they hide from, and are afraid of, the world. If a polygamist FLDS family lived right next door to an LDS family, and didn't flaunt it by wearing ridiculous clothing, etc - then I don't think it would matter to anyone, especially the LDS family. At least then you could all get together and pray from the same handbook.
The whole isolationism, old-school clothes, etc is simply the FLDS way of drawing attention to themselves. And a way to keep the practitioners in line.
None of which is fair to children, who will grow up to be afraid of the world, and never get anywhere.
This girl, and many other FLDS children, belong with loving families that will give them opportunities in life, not isolation and fear.
Change or be changed | 2:17 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
FLDS, Texas did wrong in the way they took all the kids away last time, and I
was hoping you would get your kids back.
That said you are not without fault. Hardly mentioned in the news is the fact you kick young teen boys out of the home before they are prepared to make their own way.
This is simply unacceptable. Why don't you realize this? You need to change and do the right things or change will be imposed from without and rightly so.
That said you are not without fault. Hardly mentioned in the news is the fact you kick young teen boys out of the home before they are prepared to make their own way.
This is simply unacceptable. Why don't you realize this? You need to change and do the right things or change will be imposed from without and rightly so.
To Jay | 2:24 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
FLDS are like Mormons? Yeah, to the same extent radical Opus Dei, or 14th
century inquisitors are like Catholics. Or to the same extent Al Qaeda and the
Taliban are like Muslims. Or David Koresh was like Protestants.
I don't know why it's so hard to understand that we don't see these people as a cute, if anachronistic, reminder of some former paradise. Rather, they are in open rebellion against the most sacred of our tenets -- freedom and individual agency -- and against God. We see them as our opposites, not our soulmates.
That is not to say we welcome any abuse they suffer. Where they've broken the law, they need to suffer the consequences. But we have given, and stand willing to continue to give any aid we can, including opening our homes to abused wives and children. You may have missed the story about the Juab County prosecutor who put away a pedophilic polygamist welfare cheat, then along with other members of the Church, helped the wives and children obtain and move into decent housing while Pop was in jail.
Most FLDS are "quiet, sincere, peaceful people," and we respect that. But they aren't Mormons.
I don't know why it's so hard to understand that we don't see these people as a cute, if anachronistic, reminder of some former paradise. Rather, they are in open rebellion against the most sacred of our tenets -- freedom and individual agency -- and against God. We see them as our opposites, not our soulmates.
That is not to say we welcome any abuse they suffer. Where they've broken the law, they need to suffer the consequences. But we have given, and stand willing to continue to give any aid we can, including opening our homes to abused wives and children. You may have missed the story about the Juab County prosecutor who put away a pedophilic polygamist welfare cheat, then along with other members of the Church, helped the wives and children obtain and move into decent housing while Pop was in jail.
Most FLDS are "quiet, sincere, peaceful people," and we respect that. But they aren't Mormons.
they aren't Mormons? | 2:29 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
I liked this comment but, "Most FLDS are "quiet, sincere, peaceful
people," and we respect that. But they aren't Mormons. "
Yes they are! They aren't members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but they are definitely Mormons.
Yes they are! They aren't members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but they are definitely Mormons.
tigerlily | 2:40 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
to tsmid-- texas officials went into the compound when a 30 year old woman made
a call to them. saying that she was married to one of the men there and was 16
and pregnant. none of that was true. do you answer your door to strangers or
answer or return all phone calls?? i don't and no one has to do any of
those things.
To: they aren't Mormons? | 2:54 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Why do you get to decide that? Do I get to decide that David Koresh is a
Protestant? That Archbishop Marcel Lefevre is a Catholic? That Usama bin Laden
is Shi'a?
Why not let Mormons decide who is and isn't a Mormon?
Believing Mormons do not consider FLDS Mormons.
Why not let Mormons decide who is and isn't a Mormon?
Believing Mormons do not consider FLDS Mormons.
tigerlily | 2:54 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
reality check-- there are many polygamists that live in open societies, they
work, they take care of their children and they go to church.
realitycheck | 3:20 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
re tigerlily 2:54pm:
and I'm sure they are fine upstanding citizens, that raise their childen to be fine young men and women.
So why do the FLDS have to take such a simple benign practice and warp it into such an evil empire? Why do they have to isolate their children from the world and tell them a bunch of lies about what's out there? Are they SO incapable as parents?
If the FLDS was out in the open and lived amongst us, and the girls understood that not everyone gets married right away and that they have choices in life - then probably none of this would have happened. The girl could have run to her next door neighbor and said "hey - they're trying to pimp me out". In Texas and Short Creek, her neighbor is going to tell her to obey!!! Out here in the real world, we'd call the cops and none of this would have happened. Except the parent still goes to jail, but they deserve it anyway. And in fact that's probably why they hide.
All of their problems stem from their isolationism. They've been doing it so long, they forgot right from wrong.
and I'm sure they are fine upstanding citizens, that raise their childen to be fine young men and women.
So why do the FLDS have to take such a simple benign practice and warp it into such an evil empire? Why do they have to isolate their children from the world and tell them a bunch of lies about what's out there? Are they SO incapable as parents?
If the FLDS was out in the open and lived amongst us, and the girls understood that not everyone gets married right away and that they have choices in life - then probably none of this would have happened. The girl could have run to her next door neighbor and said "hey - they're trying to pimp me out". In Texas and Short Creek, her neighbor is going to tell her to obey!!! Out here in the real world, we'd call the cops and none of this would have happened. Except the parent still goes to jail, but they deserve it anyway. And in fact that's probably why they hide.
All of their problems stem from their isolationism. They've been doing it so long, they forgot right from wrong.
Steve | 3:35 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
A suggestion . .
The FLDS have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. Any FLDS adults can engage in relationships whomever they choose.
But, FLDS children do not deserve to be subject to underage marriages, child rape, child abuse and the other grotesque components of FLDS culture.
FLDS parents need a simple choice: Live the FLDS lifestyle and your kids go to foster care. Give up the FLDS lifestyle, keep your kids.
That is a radical approach but is justified by the lack of protection by children in the FLDS environment.
Carolyn Jessop ripped the veil off these folks and their nuttiness.
My question is what is up with Rod Parker.
The FLDS have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. Any FLDS adults can engage in relationships whomever they choose.
But, FLDS children do not deserve to be subject to underage marriages, child rape, child abuse and the other grotesque components of FLDS culture.
FLDS parents need a simple choice: Live the FLDS lifestyle and your kids go to foster care. Give up the FLDS lifestyle, keep your kids.
That is a radical approach but is justified by the lack of protection by children in the FLDS environment.
Carolyn Jessop ripped the veil off these folks and their nuttiness.
My question is what is up with Rod Parker.
Problem | 3:35 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Realitycheck,
The problem is that the FLDS isolated themselves as a response to excessive governmental interference. Had the Short Creek event not happened, the clothing and attitude would be quite different.
The problem is that the FLDS isolated themselves as a response to excessive governmental interference. Had the Short Creek event not happened, the clothing and attitude would be quite different.
re Steve | 3:52 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Rod's on the money train. Thought you would have figured that out. (By
the way - I agree totally with your post.)
realitycheck
realitycheck
AJ | 4:00 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
@Cats:
> It was never, at any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that polygamy was necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom.
If we could make every man upon the earth get him a wife, live righteously and serve God, we would not be under the necessity, perhaps, of taking more than one wife. But they will not do this; the people of God, therefore, have been commanded to take more wives.
...
Now, where a man in this Church says, "I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one," he will perhaps be saved in the celestial kingdom; but when he gets there he will not find himself in possession of any wife at all.
- Brigham Young SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 1873
> It was never, at any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that polygamy was necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom.
If we could make every man upon the earth get him a wife, live righteously and serve God, we would not be under the necessity, perhaps, of taking more than one wife. But they will not do this; the people of God, therefore, have been commanded to take more wives.
...
Now, where a man in this Church says, "I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one," he will perhaps be saved in the celestial kingdom; but when he gets there he will not find himself in possession of any wife at all.
- Brigham Young SUNDAY, AUGUST 31, 1873
marttie | 4:01 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Clair think about what you said for a moment, "Statistics show that there
are more boys born into this WORLD" It doesn't say FLDS. In a family
are more boys always born than girls? Good gracious they must toss out the boys
if not. Support their lifestyle? The twisted one that the media portrays?
Probably not. As a flds member I can only speak for the young married girls I
KNOW of- me, I was 17 I waited a year until I felt comfortable. Other mother,
was 16 she waited agout 2 years before having sex. I believe that all FLDS are
taught this "The WOMAN decides when she wants to have children, the man
supports her wishes, if not he should be turned over to the law for RAPE. I
thought all underage marriages had parental consent in the FLDS. But I
wasn't accually there so I don't know the details. Of course all FLDS
are liers and anti-FLDS are the soul of honest. Take off your black tinted
glasses. Prosecute those who have done wrong. One shoe does not fit all. We are
not clones.
realitycheck | 4:20 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
re - Problem 3:35pm
that's a cop-out and you know it. They isolate themselves because they know that they would have a lot fewer obedient followers if they were to let their people understand the real world. Most would leave simply because of the ridiculously strict rules that have no meaning. And the leaders can't have that.
Gay people used to be persecuted a lot. Finally they came out and they are (for the most part) accepted. Perhaps the FLDS should take lessons from the gay/lesbian community. (heaven forbid!!!)
FLDS needs to stop blaming every one else for all their problems. They brought them all on themselves, AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!!! They need to wake up, take responsibility for their actions, and move back in with the rest of the world.
If you know any, tell them to stop slaving out and pimping out their children, and stop isolating them from the world. If they are incapable of raising children in the real world, within the law, then tell them to stop mass-producing children. It's not rocket science.
that's a cop-out and you know it. They isolate themselves because they know that they would have a lot fewer obedient followers if they were to let their people understand the real world. Most would leave simply because of the ridiculously strict rules that have no meaning. And the leaders can't have that.
Gay people used to be persecuted a lot. Finally they came out and they are (for the most part) accepted. Perhaps the FLDS should take lessons from the gay/lesbian community. (heaven forbid!!!)
FLDS needs to stop blaming every one else for all their problems. They brought them all on themselves, AND CONTINUE TO DO SO!!! They need to wake up, take responsibility for their actions, and move back in with the rest of the world.
If you know any, tell them to stop slaving out and pimping out their children, and stop isolating them from the world. If they are incapable of raising children in the real world, within the law, then tell them to stop mass-producing children. It's not rocket science.
tigerlily | 4:53 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
reality check--the people i mentioned are also flds. the only thing wrong with
the way they are is the underage marriages and the abuse, nothing else. they are
telling their children that the world is evil because it is. they have every
legal right to live as they please just as you and i do
Who Cares? | 4:54 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Enough about Warren Jeffs............ why is this guy news? I'd rather
read about Lindsay Lohan's latest stint in rehab than hear about this guy.
It's like everything that happens with this case becomes big news,
let's drop it already, the guy's a loser, why do people care so much?
tigerlily | 4:59 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
steve:: the flds have the right to raise their children in any religion they
want. they can't be made to give up their religion.
To Cats 11:04 am | 6:02 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Cats said: ""The LDS Church has never based itself on Polygamy. It
was never, at any time, taught by either Joseph Smith or Brigham Young that
polygamy was necessary for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom."
FYI: "Now, where a man in this church says, 'I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one,' he will perhaps be saved in the Celestial kingdom; but when he gets there he will not find himself in possession of any wife at all. He has had a talent that he has hid up. He will come forward and say, 'Here is that which thou gavest me, I have not wasted it, and here is the one talent,' and he will not enjoy it but it will be taken and given to those who have improved the talents they received, and he will find himself without any wife, and he will remain single forever and ever." Brigham Young, Deseret News, September 17, 1873.
FYI: "Now, where a man in this church says, 'I don't want but one wife, I will live my religion with one,' he will perhaps be saved in the Celestial kingdom; but when he gets there he will not find himself in possession of any wife at all. He has had a talent that he has hid up. He will come forward and say, 'Here is that which thou gavest me, I have not wasted it, and here is the one talent,' and he will not enjoy it but it will be taken and given to those who have improved the talents they received, and he will find himself without any wife, and he will remain single forever and ever." Brigham Young, Deseret News, September 17, 1873.
Red | 6:33 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
sharon 8:22 pm: "Why are the 14 or 16 yr olds on the Women Gymnastic's
team Women but the 14 or 16 year old FLDS are children?"
Several posters call them "little girls" - a phrase that I personally associate with six to 10 (or so) year olds.
Does anyone routinely refer to females of Junior High School age and up as "little girls" except when criticizing the FLDS? A little "truth in labelling," please --
Several posters call them "little girls" - a phrase that I personally associate with six to 10 (or so) year olds.
Does anyone routinely refer to females of Junior High School age and up as "little girls" except when criticizing the FLDS? A little "truth in labelling," please --
Red | 6:41 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
JND 8:24 pm:
"'Medical tests indicated that this young lady has never been sexually active. She's a virgin folks.' And how is it that you know this?"
Testimony to that effect came out in the original kangaroo round-up.
"'Medical tests indicated that this young lady has never been sexually active. She's a virgin folks.' And how is it that you know this?"
Testimony to that effect came out in the original kangaroo round-up.
Buster | 7:54 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
FLDS aren't Mormons in SLC?
Mormons aren't Christians in the Bible Belt?
Ask Mike Huckabee if Mormons are Christians, and he'll tell you "no", but I won't let someone else label me.
"If you label me, you negate me".
Dick Van Patten
Geeze, why does anyone care what people choose to label "themselves"?
I have enough worries about my own eternal salvation to worry what the FLDS call themselves.
It does not hurt the LDS, or the potential converts. Either it's true or not, and the Spirit does the guiding...
I remember asking one of my Seventh Day Adventist friends what was up with Koresch, and she freaked out, "They're not Seventh Day Adventists...(Branch Davidians are a splinter of the "Lucky Sevens").
A rose is a rose by any other name...
Mormons aren't Christians in the Bible Belt?
Ask Mike Huckabee if Mormons are Christians, and he'll tell you "no", but I won't let someone else label me.
"If you label me, you negate me".
Dick Van Patten
Geeze, why does anyone care what people choose to label "themselves"?
I have enough worries about my own eternal salvation to worry what the FLDS call themselves.
It does not hurt the LDS, or the potential converts. Either it's true or not, and the Spirit does the guiding...
I remember asking one of my Seventh Day Adventist friends what was up with Koresch, and she freaked out, "They're not Seventh Day Adventists...(Branch Davidians are a splinter of the "Lucky Sevens").
A rose is a rose by any other name...
Hey AJ | 8:22 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
I am afraid you have made a serious misinterpretation of that quote. It was
ment for that time...and that time only, we have a prophet for this time.
Joseph Smith also said that there would be little break-off groups from the main
body of the saints and we should be careful not to be deceived by them (i.e.
FLDS). Polygamy is not right now--it gets in the way of these people being able
to serve the Lord. Our focus in on following Christ, NOT being
"saved" by polygamy.
re:Red | 8:26 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Were you ever 14? They are little girls.
getreal | 10:13 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
The grand jury meets tomorrow, expect more indictments.
my, my | 10:33 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Another needless expense for the state of Texas. They must not have the same
financial straits as most other states to continue to waste money on this
nonsense. $180.00 per month will not pay the costs for this child, for whom it
is impossible to show imminent danger of abuse. The abuser is in jail for two
consecutive life terms. And, for that matter what is Arizona thinking? I guess
these AG's just need something to do.
Claire | 11:49 p.m. Aug. 20, 2008
Mattie... in response.././do you not read the statistics? Overall, within the
population of the world, boys are born more frequently than girls...thus within
your community, if you were to keep statistics of the ratio, you will find a
surplus of boys!!! Making your lifestyle ridiculous as I have said.
It is not even logical to suggest that a man must take more than one wife...there are NOT enough women to go around for this practice! It doesn't take an idiot to figure this out!
Try thinking outside of the box...what do you do with your excess boys...abandoning them to the wilderness...this is a criminalact...marrying younger girls because of a shortage of women is a criminal act. The FLDS ARE breeding criminals, and I say it again.
It is not even logical to suggest that a man must take more than one wife...there are NOT enough women to go around for this practice! It doesn't take an idiot to figure this out!
Try thinking outside of the box...what do you do with your excess boys...abandoning them to the wilderness...this is a criminalact...marrying younger girls because of a shortage of women is a criminal act. The FLDS ARE breeding criminals, and I say it again.
I'm glad that at least | 8:23 a.m. Aug. 21, 2008
people can see that "polygamy is not right now". But I'm amazed
that people can't see that it never was "right". Sometimes
polygamy was a lifestyle and some of the people were good that practiced it. Did
that make polygamy itself "good" to pracice? It did not. I feel bad
that it is so ingrained in the old teachings that people feel they need to
defend it for the past, but it's time to see that it was always a mistake.
Some religions are now admitting their mistakes and also trying to show their
goodness. We teach children to do this...it's time religious adults do
too.
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So she was forced to marry eh???? Warren quoted her father as saying she had 'for months' been telling him that she expected to be sealed to Warren. She said that the Heavenly Father had been telling her this. So she expected to become a celestial wife to Warren and welcomed this.
So no force, no persuasion that she should marry Warren. The girl not only expected it she welcomed it.
Now she is sealed to Warren and no FLDS man will bother her. Warren is in prison so he will not.
Celestial wives are sealed for the afterlife . It is also ridiculous to suggest that she would be reassigned. Just is not going to happen.
Taking the Fifth. You can not pick and choose which questions you will answer and you do not know what questions will be asked and so you answer only "Is that your name"?. If you answer any other question the courts have ruled "You give up your Fifth amendment rights"!