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Conservative Utah group has returned

Bob G | 4:30 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Haven't the people of Utah wised up enough yet to see how these Republicans have been putting the squeeze on it's citizens? Anything to devide and take the Republicans out of Utah government is a blessing for us all. Republicans and their corruption in Utah's government has been holding their thumbs on our heads and in our wallets long enough and it time for major and drastic change. The standard or party politics in Utah is to see who can dig the deepest in our pockets and force us with substandard living conditions. Lowest wages, highest per capita of illegal foreign nationals among us feeding off the trough of our social programs. The business corporations of Utah are using illegals as tax exempt workers with lucrative and profitable tax evasion corporations. Illegals pay no taxes and their employers make thousands of dollars per illegal as tax exempt profits, also know as pocket change and bribery funds to maintain their style of doing business. The Republican party is behind it all as they are primary in aiding and abetting business practicing tax evasion. The job of suppling government funding is all on the backs of underpaid low income citizens.

Interloper | 4:46 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Why not just declare the John Birch Society the only political party allowed in Utah and get it over with?

Bob in line | 5:02 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Oh, the Right wing.

With Chaffetz, he will get back to his left-leaning Democratic ways pretty quick. I say this not because of his Dukakis for President campaign of 20 years ago but because as Chief of staff to Huntsman he was considered ubber liberal by all the others.

And it should be noted that so many of the Republican Assembly types of a few years back weren't really Republicans either. They ended up being extreme liberatarians.

These people get fooled easily by anyone who will 'talk the talk.' It's always about rhetoric.

I predict that in about 3 years this one will be bust as well.

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Bot | 6:37 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

I'm glad basic honesty is right up there. The Republican Party doesn't need any more Larry Craigs.

arc | 7:05 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Jason Chaffetz won against both Leavitt and Cannon, not by just picking up the "ultra right wing" votes, but by picking up most of the votes across the board, including me.

With his democratic challenge saying that Jesus would likely vote democrat, Jason is going to win. People in Utah do not react well to that kind of statement.

Jason is running on basic good common sense issues. It wouldn't surprise me if he picked up 1/2 of the democrats voting.

Anonymous | 7:43 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

I was saddened to read that the reincarnated URA was going to focus on moral issues. What we need is a Republican Party that focuses on FISCAL issues.

The Republicans already have the homo-marriage-is-bad thing down pretty well. Now we need someone who will cut spending at the federal level.

Cats | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

As someone with a lot of background in Republican politics, I would be very wary of ANY organization that had Tom Draschill or Don Ruzicka involved in it. These two guys are an embarrassment to the Republican party.

Actually most of these people aren't really Republicans. They are ULTRA-RIGHTS who invade the party caucuses and then after the convention, they go back to being John Birchers, American Party and other non-Republican groups. They know these other parties can't get anyone elected so they try to take over the Republican Party in the hopes of getting some of their ultra-right people in office.

It's kind of scary. These people have been trying to take over in Utah County for years. Actually, most of them (like the Ruzickas and Draschills) are people who have moved in from other states. They are so activist that they have made inroads.

Most Utahns are reasonable mainstream conservatives--NOT ARCH RIGHTS. All Republicans need to stand up and keep these people from taking over our party. I'm not worried about Jason Chaffetz--he's a reasonable guy. But more people need to get involved with the Party to save it from these ultra-right weirdos.

Dear arc | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

You mean to say that Utahns NEVER pay attention to any religious-political mix?

You don't realize that the Democrat "Jesus would vote" guy is merely reflecting what we Gentiles have heard, for years here?

A split Utah Republican party still means that everyone marches down to the polls, pushes the (R) button, then marches home for punch and cookie.

OR...in the case of most polls, goes into the other room of the Mormon wardhouse for the treats.

Mike | 8:44 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

You want a cheep way to get illegal immigration to stop? Make English the official language and quit providing services in other languages. They'd leave in a heart beat or be forced to learn English.

sob | 9:09 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

just what utah needs, in the era of total failure of the current conservative neocon disaster america is trying to overcome, an even more conservative (can anyone say the C word) whacko group from utah county.
the only thing they dont have is skin heads as security gaurds.

BYU Alum | 9:10 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

I get so tired of the stereotypes. I'm a conservative and a Republican. But I voted for Christian Burridge when he ran against Cannon. I will vote for a Democrat if the Republican Party doesn't give me a decent choice. Although this year my choice is easy - Chaffetz is the fiscal conservative we've all been hoping for. He's the real deal.

As for the corruption of the Republican Party, I acknowledge there is corruption - anywhere there is power. You'll find it in every statehouse in this nation, regardless of who runs the show. It is the nature of power to corrupt people. And it is the responsibility of voters to send them packing once politicians lose sight of the principles they used to win votes in the first place.

arc | 9:32 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Dear..
I haven't seen any polls at "mormon wardhouses" for 30 years or more.

I have been voting for over 25 years and I have never punched the straight party box. Often, when I get to the bottom of the ballot, there hasn't been very many democrats, if any voted for.

I haven't decided on my State Senator yet. Three choices, and the one I really know well, I am not voting for.

I am voting for Jason Chaffetz.

Anonymous | 9:42 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

This group endorsed Chaffetz...which is the only connection you can make between this group and Chaffetz.

Everyone keeps mis-diagnosing why Cannon lost to Chaffetz, including this article.

If you want to really know why Cannon lost, look at the short video presentations at www.ourcaucus.com which features both Cannon and Matheson and shows specifically how they have actually been politically more united than divided.

It also shows how and why the big money special interests groups work hand in hand with incumbents of both parties to keep us divided over silly things like the group in this article...meanwhile they jointly plunder government coffers and fill their pockets and then finance the perpectual re-elections of incumbents from both parties.

Until I saw these videos I had no idea how bad the system has become. talk about an eye opener. Everyone should check them out before they ever vote for anyone ever again. (www.ourcaucus.com)

Observer | 9:52 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

It seems to becoming more and more clear that our choices in the third district are as clear as our choice between Obama and McCain. To me it seems the only clear conscience votes I can cast this year is for Chuck Baldwin and Jim Noorlander of the Constitution Party. The leaders of the two major parites just don't seem to grasp the high level of frustration that is building toward the two major parties. Mitt Romney's endorsement of McCain was the last straw for me.

Larry Meyers, URA Pres. | 9:56 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

This article is a bit sensational, as there's nothing new about conservatives in the GOP (such as Taft, Goldwater, and Reagan) challenging the "country club" wing of the party.

It is true that the Utah Republican Assembly (URA) fights hard for conservatives in the Republican conventions and primaries, but we then unite with the Party to get our Republican candidates elected.

For example, our 2008 endorsements include conservatives like Congressman Rob Bishop, 2nd Congressional District candidate Bill Dew, and House Rules Chair Steve Urquhart, who is running for the Utah Senate in Washington County.

Some of the comments imply that some or all URA members are not really Republicans, which is not true. Most of our members are life-long Republicans who stick with the Party despite its left-ward shift in recent years.

The principles of the URA include support for the U.S. Constitution, limited government, low taxes, cutting spending and bureaucracy, enforcing our borders and our immigration laws, and individual rights, such as the right to life, religious freedom, the right to bear arms, and parental rights. In other words, good old-fashioned conservatism.

I invite Utah's conservatives to join us in our movement. You can contact me at dixierepublican@yahoo.com.

Dear arc | 10:17 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Glad that you brought in the LDS church. For a minute I thought you had a legitimate opinion. As a conservative with religious affiliations that are none of your business, it's easy to dismiss you the moment you use any main stream religion as a whipping boy.

Oh Please | 10:55 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

The principles of the URA include jailing women for having abortions, high taxes for the purpose of worldwide warmongering (but heaven forbid a hand up to somebody in trouble), putting undocumented workers in concentration camps (cf. Chaffetz), destroying our neighborhood school system, and your neighbor's right to own an AK47. Not true?

Instereo | 10:57 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Just what Utah and the country needs, another group (even if it's been around for awhile) to divide our country and distort the issues with their own narrow brand if ideology.

They can make fun of Spencer for his comments about Jesus voting as a democrat (BTW, not a smart comment for him to make)but they don't seem to recognize how when they wrap themselves in the flag with mom, apple pie, and religon to justify their stands on issues they are doing the same thing.

It was actually their tactics that I'm sure prompted Spencer to make his comment and to assert that Jesus could vote democrat because they have different stands on issues that are based on moral and ethical standards.

The conservatives wear values and religion on their sleves. Spencer I'm sure was trying to assert that values are much broader then what has been defined by conservative organizations.

When someone brags about their conservative credentials and how that qualifies them for government service, I see someone that doesn't think the problems facing our society but only reacts. I wouldn't vote for them either. I want ideas heard before action is taken.

Frustrated Dem | 11:01 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Now, if we could just form a conservative Democratic alliance, some of us that have cried in the wilderness for years might have a home.

uncannygunman | 11:36 a.m. Aug. 18, 2008

DA: What "mainstream religion" are you referring to?

Seriously though, why do people get upset when anyone dares mention the LDS influence on Utah politics?

patriot | 12:18 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Oh no!!! Just what Utah needs - another radical right wing group.

Had it | 12:56 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

I for one am sick of Republican right wing (often wacko) groups. Utah is a breeding ground for these groups. Another excellent example is the Sutherland Institute which promotes an extreme agenda. When will Utahans wise up?

Bob in line | 2:30 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Arc, I have read your posts over the last many months. You are as much middle of road in your views as I'm a little green man from Mars. You have taken every right-wing wacko position and supported. Every one.

Chaffetz is a con-man who got so many votes at a right-wing convention due to his pandering to the Republican Assembly types. He openly talked among delegates about locking up all illegal aliens in a tent city. That works great for the right-wing wackos.

Then when he got into a primary he shifted gears and now wants to give visas to all illegal aliens. He flipped and flopped harder and faster than any politician in the history of Utah.

And you say he is fiscally conservative, there is absolutely no evidence of that, other than his flip-flopping rhetoric. The closest we come to anything verifiable is his 8 months in the Huntsman administration where he was described by all as the most liberal person in the office on every issue.

Chaffetz is a blue-dog Democrat. And the Right-wing wackos will support anyone if they simply talk tough. In time we will see Chaffetz real colors.

Vote Spencer!

Black Chopper | 2:46 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Chris Herrod ... Chaffetz ... what's next? Bo Gritz?

Leftward shift? | 4:25 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Since when has the Republican party experienced a leftward shift? Trampling on select parts of the constitution (checks and balances, for one), going on the warpath, declaring that every election victory (however slim) constitutes a mandate for some pet project, and insisting on a "my way or the higway" approach to government doesn't constitute a leftward shift--only a downward shift.

Mike Thompson | 4:41 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

People talk so much without listening. We are trying to bring conservative principles back to the party. Sen. Curt Bramble paid for our table at the
Utah Co. Republican Convention which we appreciate. And, not all of us are Ron Paul supporters. I voted for Romney, as did all of our officers in Utah County. We do need respect for each other. When I was in the legislature, I believe I was the only Republican, and a conservative Republican at that, who actually got endorsements for from Rep. Pat Jones, now Senator Jones, and Rep. David Litvack, both Democrats. To be fair, I do not feel it was because we agreed on all issues, but because we worked together, had respect for each other and were able to accomplish things. I remember one meeting I turned my chairmanship of the Health and Human Services Committee over to Rep. Pat Jones. Some in the party did not like that, but we need to be fair and respectful of all. We do not have to agree on everything to accomplish something. Let's get over the nastiness and get down to real issues.

arc | 5:03 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Dear arc and Bob in line:

1. I didn't bring up the church. I was responding to someone saying they have voting places at lds churches. I just said I hadn't seen that for 30 years.

2. I am part of a government affairs group, most of which vote democrat. We have some common interests.

3. It was the Democrat in the 3rd district that brought religion into this by saying he knew what political ideals the savior had and that he would vote democrat. (Not a good way to win any votes if you ask me). Yes, I know both the democrat and republican candidates went to BYU. Your point?

4. I voted democrat the last time my state senator ran. The republican running at the time was not a good choice, and the one running against the senator now has not won my vote yet. The 3rd party candidate I do know, and would not vote for them for any office. I voted for Orton the first 2 times.

5. Call me a right wing wacko, and I will show you people so far to the right they make me look liberal.

Vote for Jason Chaffetz

Ridgerunner | 5:59 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Maybe we need more right wing political groups to counter balance all the far left wing "nuts" already in congress and one more waiting to get into the white house. Who do the Republicans have to balance Nancy Polosi, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, the Clintons or Obama? I see no one so far. I don't think Mitt is conservative enough to lead us. Some of us are sick of Hollywood values being rammed down our throats. How we miss Ronald Reagan and where can we find another one? Sadly it ain't McCain! I fear for our country and our children.

Anonymous | 6:03 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

If these people want to support the Constitution and the rule of law, will they advocate the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? If they support family values and human life, will they support economic development for the less affluent (unlike the GOP), health care reform for the 50 million in America that can't obtain or afford it, and other measures to invest in Americans rather than the defense industry? By the way, why is the term "conservative" so worshipped? It is an ideology that gets in the way of Christian living.

Re: annon. | 6:28 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

What are the charges you would file to impeach Bush?
He are right about family values. Same sex "marriage" is not family values! He is right about welfare reform. Welfare give aways have never solved poverty, in fact they create dependancy and make it more unlikely a person will ever escape poverty. The best cure for poverty is self control and hard work. He is right about terrorism, he is right about tax cuts. He is right about activist judges. He right about oil exploration. You liberals don't have any answers to our problems, you just create new ones.

Impeach Bush? | 6:41 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Why? Because you don't like the government listening in on your phone calls to the Taliban or terrorist groups? Quit calling them and no one will ever listen in on your calls!

Re; Ridgerunner | 6:56 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Never try to teach a liberal anything. It annoys them and wastes your time.

Tai H. | 7:03 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

If 90% of Utah Republicans voted for Mitt Romney in the primaries, than there is a deffinate need for a conservative faction of the Republican Party. The GOP, especially in Utah, has become entirely too liberal.

Remember, this is the Party of Barry Goldwater - not the Party of Stalin and Marx. John McCain and Mitt Romney are just too liberal.

Don't blame me, I voted for Mike Huckabee.

Re: re: annon | 7:35 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Bush is wrong about foreign policy. He has invaded a country and started a civil war based on faulty intelligence; and he has offended most of the nations that were our strong allies before his administration. Bush is wrong about economic policy. Under his leadership, the economy has tanked, while the deficit has skyrocketed. He is wrong about education. No Child Left Behind is a disaster. He is wrong about energy. He is all talk and little action in this area. He is wrong on treatment of prisoners of the war in Afghanistan--he is happy to deny them basic civil rights even when there may not be enough evidence to detain them in the first place. He is wrong about wiretapping. He's happy to spit on any laws he doesn't want to follow.

Bush is not all wrong, but that's hardly the standard we want to hold our president to. Rather than impeach him, let's just learn from our mistake and never elect another Bush.

P.S. Bush isn't the great welfare reformer, either--that distinction belongs to Bill Clinton.

Bob in line | 8:58 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

So we are getting a feel for the real Right-wing wacko background. They are just more Democrats turned Republicans. Interesting how that is, or so they claim. I think it is mostly claim, since we vote privately so they can claim to vote for little green martian if they want. I would bet when pressed by the other side they claim to have voted straight Republican every time.

As for Mike Thompson, if that is really him, your comments are entertaining. I have read the score cards over the years and listened to you talk about your voting record. There is a reason you were beaten. Nice guy but not the deepest thinker. Very emotional. All of his/your arguments are driven by pure emotion, little logic.

In any case, I would bet you are the same Republicans who screamed we must support the Patriot Act, REAL ID Act, and all the others, to include the provisions that remove Habeas Corpus, all in the name of your "constitution."

Sadly, you people are not the soundests thinkers. You right-wingers are being used by statist big government types to destroy the very constitution your daydream about all the time.

Wake up!

Re: Bob | 9:15 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

You are 180 degrees out of phase. It's the liberals who want to control us and everything we think, do and say! If we disagree with you, you always call us stupid, not sound thinkers or idiots. The patriot act has saved thousands of American lives! Whose side are you on? If you are worried about someone listening to your phone conversations, stop calling Al Qeida.

To Bob G | 9:33 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Bob, your discussion of the ills that Republicans, like Pandora, have visited upon the planet did not include the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius. Shame on you for not being more thorough in your research.

Me | 11:28 p.m. Aug. 18, 2008

Tai H.,

Nice to see that someone else sees the obvious. As a poster elaborated to over the weekend, Romney wasn't elected with 90% of the Republican vote in Utah simply because of his great job in the Olympics. Other candidates with better conservative credentials were passed over in the voting booth because of their religion (or lack thereof).

If Utah Republicans are sincere about conservatism, they need to support conservative candidates regardless of their religion. Mitt Romney's record shows that he flip flopped on issues that are of the utmost concern to most conservatives (gay marriage and abortion) - let alone twice being found to have hired a contractor who utilized illegal immigrant workers. If a non-Mormon had Mitt's record (or lack thereof) he/she would have gotten ZERO votes here in Utah.

arc | 7:08 a.m. Aug. 19, 2008

Mitt Romney is supporting Jason Chaffetz. 90% of Utah republicans voted for Romney. Some people don't think Romney is right wing enough. fine. Jason has support from some of the Ultra Right, Middle Right, Middle and left. You don't have to agree with a candidate 100% of the time. Try finding one of those.

Mitt said:
"I am committed to a strong military, a strong economy and strong families," said Romney. "I know Jason Chaffetz shares those values. We will need strong leadership in the Congress to move America forward."

Romney, who earned more than 90% of the vote in Utah's February Presidential Primary, is still considered a possible pick for vice president. "We need principle-driven people who are committed to the public good," said Romney of Chaffetz. "We need people who are willing to stand up, participate in the process and do what is right for America."

I voted for Mitt. I am voting for Jason Chaffetz. If Mitt ends up becoming McCain's VP, I would vote for Mitt again.

It is amazing that many people don't fit in the nice boxes that the media tries to fit us in.

To ARC: | 9:42 a.m. Aug. 19, 2008

If Mitt Romney was committed to a strong military, he would have a military record. He doesn't.

If Mitt Romney was for a strong economy, he wouldn't have raised the capital gains tax. He did.

If Mitt Romney was for strong families, than he would have a better record on abortion and gay marriage. He doesn't. He championed pro-abortion causes and legislated gay civil unions in Massachusetts.

If you voted for Mitt Romney, than you too - ARE A LIBERAL!

Me | 11:30 a.m. Aug. 19, 2008

Right on the money "ARC" ...

As a sixty year old former Mormon Bishop and Stake President (Mitt - not me) I have no doubt whatsoever that Mitt did not believe in gay marriage or abortion rights. I've known enough Mormons (Bishops and Stake Presidents as well) to know that no "Good Mormon" would ever buy into that garbage. Therefore, he lied to the citizens of Massachusetts to get elected.

"Once a liar, always a liar" ...

The bottom line is that Mitt Romney just can't be trusted to say and do what he really believes. If he had stood up for family values (his values) he may have lost the governor's race in Massachusetts; however, he very well may have been the Republican presidential nominee "today". I (a non-Mormon) would have voted for him without reservation.

When you sell your soul, there is always a price to pay. I believe Mitt is paying that price now. I doubt very much that liberals (or conservatives) will ever tire of playing those "youtube" videos.

Margaret | 12:52 p.m. Aug. 19, 2008

If you are looking for someone who "shares moral values extending beyond pro-life and anti-gay marriage issues to those of basic honesty," then I have the candidate for you. It's Claralyn Hill, running on the Democratic ticket.

Besides voting for someone who has high moral values (a great work ethic, love of family and children, impressive credentials, a sense of decency and justice), you will be helping Utah County become a place where its citizens can have a choice in their government rather than being force fed whatever the Republicans want to serve on the menu that year.

arc | 2:08 p.m. Aug. 19, 2008

The point is both this group endorsed Jason Chaffetz, and so had Mitt Romney. I voted for both Jason and Mitt, but have no desire to check out this new Conservative Utah group.

Am I worried that there are those that are further right then I am voting for Jason? No more than there are those that are further left wanting him as well.

I just hope this new Conservative Utah group is not trouble.

Me, you missed the point about Mitt. Mitt never was for gay marriage or abortions. He never said he was. What he said was that people should be treated with respect. Where do you draw the line re: the Government regulating these, is not as easy as some make it.

Do you make all abortions illegal?
Most will allow some exceptions, life of the mother, etc. Most people do object to tax money being used for any abortion. Mitt did, and shifted where the government line should be, not his personal view.

If you have a problem with that, do you have a problem with Smith's selling coffee, even though you don't drink it. Should coffee be banned? I am not going there.

Me | 2:14 p.m. Aug. 19, 2008

Margaret, what is her stand on abortion and gay marriage; I checked her website and see nothing regarding these issues.

Me | 3:55 p.m. Aug. 19, 2008

ARC ...

A true "leader" stands up for what he/she believes; Mitt failed to do this. He should have taken the bull by the horns and said point-blank that abortion is wrong and acted accordingly. From my perspective, he failed to show "leadership" on this issue. The same is true for gay marriage as well.

Leaders can't be wishy-washy on these issues. For a candidate to say that he/she is against this/that, but "I don't want to push my opinions on you" is a cop out. That type of candidate is trying to please both sides ... and in the end, he/she pleases neither. Romney is now the butt of jokes from the gays (because he has flip-flopped) as well as the laughing stock amongst conservatives for the very same reason.

I am not LDS, so "coffee" is not an issue for me. However, if it came down to Smith's selling liquor, I WOULD have a "problem" with that. I have a problem with cigarettes as well. Both of these behaviors (smoking and drinking) are a detriment to society, and we all (society in-general) pay a price in broken homes (alcoholism) and disease.

arc | 8:06 p.m. Aug. 19, 2008

ME:
Having read Mitt's comments about both Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't agree with how you feel about Mitt.
Your choice.

The news is about a Conservative Utah group. I don't have a problem with Jason speaking there, just as long as I don't have to belong.

I am voting for Jason. I was going to before Mitt decided to back him.

Mike Thompson | 9:33 p.m. Aug. 21, 2008

You know it is too bad that people are so biased that they will not listen to the other side. So you know, I did not support the Patriot Act. I also have almost never voted a straight party ticket. In fact, in one election I voted for 5 different parties. I study the issues, make a decision, and yes (go ahead and complain) pray for a confirmation of what I am doing.
Let's look at candidates of all persuasions. Sometimes "basic honesty" is more important than philosophy.

Concerned citizen | 2:51 p.m. Aug. 28, 2008

"Both of these behaviors (smoking and drinking) are a detriment to society, and we all (society in-general) pay a price in broken homes (alcoholism) and disease."
This man is probably supporting John McCain who married a millionaire beer heiress. This is hypocrisy in its truest form. McCain's wealth is on the backs of the broken homes this man is so superficially concerned about. That's the conservative mindset for you. Only accept the issues that fit comfortably into your closed world mindset

Paladin | 9:34 a.m. Nov. 7, 2008

Mike Thompson and Larry Meyers talk about not becoming a radical organization. However, Utah Co Republican Assembly members showed their true colors during the 2008 general election by actively campaigning against republican candidates and openly supporting democrats. The Thompson plan was to unseat the republican incumbents with democrats -then take the democrats out in then next election cycle with an assembly candidate - most likely Thompson himself and his close associates. If thatï¿½s not radical thinking I donï¿½t know what is.

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